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In the Disney movie canon, Beast's real name is Prince Adam. In Kingdom Hearts media, however, he has never been given a real name, and we go only by what's confrimed in Kingdom Hearts. That's why, for example, [[Zack]]'s article is just "Zack" here, instead of "Zack Fair" like in Final Fantasy.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 06:05, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
In the Disney movie canon, Beast's real name is Prince Adam. In Kingdom Hearts media, however, he has never been given a real name, and we go only by what's confrimed in Kingdom Hearts. That's why, for example, [[Zack]]'s article is just "Zack" here, instead of "Zack Fair" like in Final Fantasy.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 06:05, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


And can you cite your sources for the so-called name of the Beast? Every where I look, I see no proof that his human name is Adam so I want to see sources cited. --[[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] 17:14, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
::"1.^ a b The D Show , Disney Interactive , 1998 ASIN B000031VV3"
::Is what was at the top of the Beast's page on wikipedia.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 17:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
== And on a completly unrelated topic... ==
== And on a completly unrelated topic... ==


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:If you can provide the cite from Nomura, that sounds like he's saying Beast DID use a Corridor of Darkness.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 12:40, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
:If you can provide the cite from Nomura, that sounds like he's saying Beast DID use a Corridor of Darkness.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 12:40, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 19:12, August 5, 2010 (UTC)|xigbar= I seem to remember somewhere in either Kingdom Hearts or Days (I'm thinking the former) that a character talked about Beast's use of corridors of darkness to get from his castle to Hollow Bastion. I'm almost thinking it was Riku in Kingdom Hearts, but I'm not entirely sure.}}
{{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 19:12, August 5, 2010 (UTC)|xigbar= I seem to remember somewhere in either Kingdom Hearts or Days (I'm thinking the former) that a character talked about Beast's use of corridors of darkness to get from his castle to Hollow Bastion. I'm almost thinking it was Riku in Kingdom Hearts, but I'm not entirely sure.}}
== Adam Model ==
"who ever it was that got the model of prince Adam, kudos to you for getting your hands on it. though, if it is not too much to ask for, would it be possible for you to lower his arms down from the "T" stance? not asking you to pose him, though that would be nice, just lowering his arms would be enough. Please and thank you." [[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] 11:38, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
== where did we get prince adam from again? ==
All I can find is KHUX calling him "prince".{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:06, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
:I don't know, I did a control + F "Adam" on KH2 and KH Days script, no results. If we can't find a source for Adam, then we should forget the move and delete all mentions of "Adam" on this article. [[User:Soroxas|Soroxas]] ([[User talk:Soroxas|talk]]) 18:16, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
== Regarding suggested move ==
Wouldn't it be better to have this page be Beast and then have a separate page for Prince as they are two different physical compositions similar to Riku and Riku-Ansem, Terra and Terra-Xehanort, Ansem SoD and Robed Figure? - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 18:19, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
:The key is whether they are, in essence, different and separate beings/characters, not just their physical appearance. So, for example, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness and Robed Figure are the same being, and should be on the same page, while Terra and Terra-Xehanort are not. I'm at work, so I can't check if that's how the pages are set up, but that's how they should be. So, since the Beast and Prince are the same person, they should share the same page. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 18:55, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
::If this is the case then should there even be a separate page for Riku-Ansem seeing as that isn't a fusion between Riku and Ansem but only Riku using Ansem's darkness? - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 19:36, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
== Page move ==
I would like an agreement to be met regarding the page's move to Prince as this move request has been sitting here for a long while. As I understand the basis of the move is that since the Beast's true identity is that of the Prince (which he is officially named in KHUX), and that since this is the identity he last appears as in the story, the page should be moved to Prince. Though it should also be noted that his most recent appearance in a released title is as the Beast in Melody of Memory, which was not the case when the move request was added. Thoughts? [[User:Pureautism|Pureautism]] ([[User talk:Pureautism|talk]]) 06:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
:If we follow the rules, it should be moved. And I don't think his appearance in MoM counts, as the characters don't really "appear" in the story. However, I feel it would be weird to call it Prince, because the character is mostly known as Beast. He only appears as a human in the credits in KH2 and at the end of the Beast's Castle story in KHUX (and a filler quest where you go back). But I suppose rules are rules, and we should follow them. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
::That's what I thought, just wanted to make sure it was settled before the page was moved. Will move now. [[User:Pureautism|Pureautism]] ([[User talk:Pureautism|talk]]) 04:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Alright I was just about to move the page but then it occurred to me that [[The Prince]] exists, and since it'd be kind of weird having a "Prince" page and a "The Prince" page, maybe we want to add a disambiguation? [[User:Pureautism|Pureautism]] ([[User talk:Pureautism|talk]]) 04:45, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::::I think having a "Prince" and "The Prince" page is better than something like "Prince (Beast's Castle)" and "Prince (Dwarf Woodlands)". There's already a disambig page for Princes, so we can just put that in the youmay at the top. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

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Does the KH and KH2 Journals call him "Beast" or "The Beast"? Because the CoM Journal calls him "The Beast".Glorious CHAOS! 01:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Name[edit]

Does anybody here know wether or not the Beast has an actual name? And if he does, who here thinks that that should be the name of the article.(Bananaphone1996 05:47, April 18, 2010 (UTC))

In the Disney movie canon, Beast's real name is Prince Adam. In Kingdom Hearts media, however, he has never been given a real name, and we go only by what's confrimed in Kingdom Hearts. That's why, for example, Zack's article is just "Zack" here, instead of "Zack Fair" like in Final Fantasy.--Lapis ofthe Night 06:05, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

And can you cite your sources for the so-called name of the Beast? Every where I look, I see no proof that his human name is Adam so I want to see sources cited. --DarienLeonhart 17:14, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

"1.^ a b The D Show , Disney Interactive , 1998 ASIN B000031VV3"
Is what was at the top of the Beast's page on wikipedia.192.249.47.177 17:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

And on a completly unrelated topic...[edit]

Do you have a picture for Prince Adam in the end credits? -Therider Rides Alone 22:06, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Beast using Corridor of Darkness[edit]

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CaelumLucisCaliga Talk! - What are you talking about? I am me! Nobody else!

Sora, you're lucky. Looks like my summer vacation is ... over. — 04:56, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

OathOblivTalkPic_zps6eebf78e.png Is it possible that Beast used a Corridor of Darkness to get from his castle to Hollow Bastion when it was destroyed in KHI? Beast claims it was his love for Belle that brought him there and Nomura stated that Beast (and DiZ) could use Corridors of Darkness because their strong feelings (this can be found in the Corridor of Darkness section in the 'Universe of Kingdom Hearts' article). I'm gonna put that in the Trivia section. If anyone objects just say so and change it. OathOblivTalkPic_zps6eebf78e.png
If you can provide the cite from Nomura, that sounds like he's saying Beast DID use a Corridor of Darkness.Glorious CHAOS! 12:40, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
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Lying Memories - Clever little sneak!
TALK - Gee... I just don't know.Lying Memories 19:12, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
I seem to remember somewhere in either Kingdom Hearts or Days (I'm thinking the former) that a character talked about Beast's use of corridors of darkness to get from his castle to Hollow Bastion. I'm almost thinking it was Riku in Kingdom Hearts, but I'm not entirely sure.

Adam Model[edit]

"who ever it was that got the model of prince Adam, kudos to you for getting your hands on it. though, if it is not too much to ask for, would it be possible for you to lower his arms down from the "T" stance? not asking you to pose him, though that would be nice, just lowering his arms would be enough. Please and thank you." Ixbran 11:38, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

where did we get prince adam from again?[edit]

All I can find is KHUX calling him "prince"."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 16:06, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't know, I did a control + F "Adam" on KH2 and KH Days script, no results. If we can't find a source for Adam, then we should forget the move and delete all mentions of "Adam" on this article. Soroxas (talk) 18:16, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Regarding suggested move[edit]

Wouldn't it be better to have this page be Beast and then have a separate page for Prince as they are two different physical compositions similar to Riku and Riku-Ansem, Terra and Terra-Xehanort, Ansem SoD and Robed Figure? - JTD95 (talk) 18:19, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

The key is whether they are, in essence, different and separate beings/characters, not just their physical appearance. So, for example, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness and Robed Figure are the same being, and should be on the same page, while Terra and Terra-Xehanort are not. I'm at work, so I can't check if that's how the pages are set up, but that's how they should be. So, since the Beast and Prince are the same person, they should share the same page. Diamond Dust Keychain KHFM.pngKeybladeSpyMaster Diamond Dust Keychain KHFM.png 18:55, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
If this is the case then should there even be a separate page for Riku-Ansem seeing as that isn't a fusion between Riku and Ansem but only Riku using Ansem's darkness? - JTD95 (talk) 19:36, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Page move[edit]

I would like an agreement to be met regarding the page's move to Prince as this move request has been sitting here for a long while. As I understand the basis of the move is that since the Beast's true identity is that of the Prince (which he is officially named in KHUX), and that since this is the identity he last appears as in the story, the page should be moved to Prince. Though it should also be noted that his most recent appearance in a released title is as the Beast in Melody of Memory, which was not the case when the move request was added. Thoughts? Pureautism (talk) 06:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

If we follow the rules, it should be moved. And I don't think his appearance in MoM counts, as the characters don't really "appear" in the story. However, I feel it would be weird to call it Prince, because the character is mostly known as Beast. He only appears as a human in the credits in KH2 and at the end of the Beast's Castle story in KHUX (and a filler quest where you go back). But I suppose rules are rules, and we should follow them. TheSilentHero 16:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
That's what I thought, just wanted to make sure it was settled before the page was moved. Will move now. Pureautism (talk) 04:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Alright I was just about to move the page but then it occurred to me that The Prince exists, and since it'd be kind of weird having a "Prince" page and a "The Prince" page, maybe we want to add a disambiguation? Pureautism (talk) 04:45, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
I think having a "Prince" and "The Prince" page is better than something like "Prince (Beast's Castle)" and "Prince (Dwarf Woodlands)". There's already a disambig page for Princes, so we can just put that in the youmay at the top. TheSilentHero 16:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)