User talk:EternalNothingnessXIII/Archive20

Eternal Nothingness XIII Why did the Keyblade choose me? I have to know. — 04:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC) This is an archived talk page. As such, the conversations below have been closed. Please do not edit any of them or leave new messages here. Thank you!

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Quote userboxes

TheSilentHero Thoron! — 18:22, 12 February 2015 (UTC) Hey, I see that you are using the new quote userboxes and I wanted to tell you about a special feature they have. If you add a number to it, like {{User Sora Q|1}}, you can select a specific quote to show up, instead of a randomly chosen one. Maybe you already know this, but I thought I should inform you about it.

Eternal Nothingness XIII You act as though you have a conscience. When was the last time any one of us felt anything? — 21:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC) Cool! I was wondering about that, but I kinda like the random templates. Saves space on my userpage :)

Salutations!

Chainoffire - "Hey, wait... I'm enjoying this. You guys are something else!" TALK - :) Chainoffire 07:54, 14 February 2015 (UTC) Yes, I am a fan of both FMA and FMA:B, are you a fan of anime too? :D

Wow, another anime user. Keep'em coming. — 12:45, 14 February 2015 (UTC) RikutheBloody

"The" Keyblade

I think that adding "Keyblade" after the weapon name is superficial, and that the definite article isn't needed. Isn't the simplest, most concise way of wording these sentences be in the manner of "Oathkeeper has ____ as an equipment ability" and "Guardian Soul has ____ as an equipment ability". This makes sense because the Keyblade names are considered proper nouns, so they do not use articles (in the same why, you wouldn't use a person's name and say "the" or "a" before it). Thoughts? TheFifteenthMember 13:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I am in full agreement with you. The problem is, it's already so widespread across the Wiki in the form of the weapon articles. I personally prefer saying "Make sure you equip the Ultima Weapon" instead of "Make sure you equip Ultima Weapon," but I, too, do think that the definite article should be dropped, at least in most cases. I am tempted to use the Heartless/Nobody/Unversed/Dream Eater articles to counter your argument, but that is a whole new kettle of worms. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 13:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I'd say there are two instances: weapon names that are entirely a name or proper noun (e.g. Oblivion) and weapon names that consist of an adjective and noun. With the former, it's natural to use without the article because it's like using a person's name ("Oblivion has..." and "John has...). The latter should have a definite article because that's what you'd use in natural speech (e.g. the Ultima Weapon, the Guardian Soul etc.). I'd say we should use whatever sounds more natural in each case, rather than having one consistent rule. TheFifteenthMember 13:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly. But now we face the challenge of changing pretty much everything to do with weapons on the Wiki to reflect this. There will probably be some arguments as to what "sounds natural" to someone, as well. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 13:40, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, what I can confirm is we cannot be saying the Oblivion, the Oathkeeper, or the Fenrir. Please, none of that. To be honest, it's a minor issue so I don't think it's worth going on a massive spree to change all of them. But it's just those three that are completely wrong. TheFifteenthMember 14:21, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Again, I completely agree with you. At least those three are an exception to the definite article placement "rule." But look at the Organization XIII weapons. Several of them should be exceptions, too. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 14:25, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Yup, most probably. TheFifteenthMember 14:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

So I guess it's just a matter of sound appeal when you get right down to it. I'm more than willing to help go through the weapon articles and remove the definite articles where appropriate later today, once my classes are done with. It'll go faster if we split the work. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 14:28, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Something just sounds wrong about leaving "the" off of Oathkeeper, especially because it's a title, like "Guardian". "The" just sounds more natural to me. also, the fact that pretty much none of the weapons in the series are singular entities -- they're all forms of a weapon, and are often forms shared between wielders. I'm not familiar enough with the rules for definite articles to point to which bylaw it's violating, but it just sounds...wrong."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Which proves ENX's point of "There will probably be some arguments as to what "sounds natural" to someone". Put it down to a vote? TheFifteenthMember 15:41, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I personally agree with both of you. At times, the direct article is not needed. But there are certainly plenty of times where it is needed, too, even if a certain weapon fits the category of "direct article not needed." If this is gonna turn into an all-out community discussion, I request that this conversation be continued in a forum (if it hasn't already) :P - Eternal Nothingness XIII 17:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Skype if at all?

Do you have a Skype handle by any chance? KHW is one of the sites from which I'll be cutting off activity during this Lent, which means userboxing is going to go to a halt. On occasion I will get on Skype, and chances are I might pass my images to whoever would like to help out with Project:Userbox in my absence. Since you've resumed college I don't know how active you are, but just wondering, you up for it? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 17:19, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII You act as though you have a conscience. When was the last time any one of us felt anything? — 17:23, 17 February 2015 (UTC) I have a Skype, yes, but I save it for people I actually know "in real life." If you want to IM and such still, we can revive the Google chatting we used to do back in the old days :P You could e-mail me the images, and I could see what I can do with them, if you would like.

Sure. I just need to remember how to use it again. troisnyx[at]gmail[dot]com is what I would prefer to use. I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 22:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII So, do you hate me for taking your friend away from you? — 22:08, 17 February 2015 (UTC) Feel free to e-mail me at any time at tskhmaster13@gmail.com!

Happy Birthday

TheSilentHero — 07:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC) I saw on your userpage that today is your birthday, so Happy Birthday!

Eternal Nothingness XIII If I had a heart, this would be where I die of laughter. — 07:52, 19 February 2015 (UTC) Yes it is! Thanks!

KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT." TALK - Happy birthday, yo.

Eternal Nothingness XIII Aren't hearts great? Steer us wrong every time. — 14:21, 19 February 2015 (UTC) Thanks, Kryten!

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=22:37, 19 February 2015 (UTC)|happy=Happy Birthday, ENX!}

Neumannz — Ah, my trusty nunchuck gun. The only gun that's never out of ammo. TALK — Or did I? — 22:42, 19 February 2015 (UTC)   Happys Birthday!

Happy Birthday ENX. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk) 22:59, 19 February 2015 (UTC) Happy birthday friend! :) RikutheBloody 00:17, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII Okay... Have it your way. More pain for you means more fun for me! — 01:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC) Thanks guys!

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - Don't worry. You might forget about me...But, with our promise, I'll come back. HAPPY BIRTHDAY~! :D

Chainoffire - "Hey, wait... I'm enjoying this. You guys are something else!" TALK - :) Chainoffire 04:41, 20 February 2015 (UTC) Happy Birthday ENX!

Eternal Nothingness XIII Good answer. Just what I'd expect from the Keyblade master. — 05:28, 20 February 2015 (UTC) Thanks! :D

Template Size Exceeded

Thought I'd come to let you know about it; perhaps the trophies may need their own page. Don't worry; I keep worrying about the same thing myself because of just how many userboxes there are to choose from... This monster... This is no Unversed. Just a dweller of Darkness. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 22:08, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII How many times do I have to beat you? — 22:13, 17 May 2015 (UTC) Curse you and all the beautiful userboxes you made :P

Oops.... ^_^' I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 22:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII Like I asked! Know-it-all. — 22:19, 17 May 2015 (UTC) Lol :) Seriously, though, amazing job!

Thanks mate ^_^ Some of them, I just find so hard to write descriptions for because I know roughly what they're based on, but I just can't put it into English all that well. (As you can probably guess, that's mainly the problem with X[chi].) I do hope Unchained X brings out these Heartless, writes journal entries for them and gives them some affectionate names. It is rather funny what I would do for honey. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 22:22, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII I should tell you that I'm in an EXTREMELY foul mood. Thanks to you, all our plans are ruined! — 22:27, 17 May 2015 (UTC) You're welcome! :) I do quite enjoy the little descriptions you write. Some are quite good and humorous! Speaking of those, though, I think the Vanitas Remnant and Dustflier need new enemy userboxes, because they are identical to the ones we use for their respective accomplishment ones...The issue is that the descriptions stick out like a sore thumb compared to the other enemy user boxes; we go from "This user has a shocking personality" (Yellow Opera) to "This user has beaten the Vanitas Remnant!"...

About Updating/Improving Userboxes

We'd need TSH's help to move those templates to new ones, and then keep User Dusflier and User Vanitas Remnant as.... well, "This user is ______________". Though I wonder if that decision would sit well with people. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 10:48, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII My show now, Keyblade master. Who am I? Oh, my name's Axel. Got it memorized? — 13:56, 18 May 2015 (UTC) I don't think there'd be an issue with having two userboxes fro the Dustflier and Vanitas Remnant, one for the accomplishments section on the main userbox page and one for the enemies sub-page. The current userboxes are intended to say "I beat this!", while all the enemy userboxes are meant to say "I like this!". That's my logic for why new userboxes are needed. As for descriptions, look to the enemies' Journal entires. These usually contain the good/witty descriptions you're looking for! :)

A lot of them do (and I'll admit, a lot of the Unversed ones come from the Reports ^_^) -- but sometimes we've just got to improvise. I haven't played 358 on a DS yet, and until then, I won't be able to relate to a lot of the 358 Heartless unless I try and compare them to their other counterparts... I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 14:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

TheSilentHero Good thing I'm here. No? Anyone?! — 15:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC) Not sure why you need my help to move the templates. If I can do it, everyone should be able to. As for moving those templates, I would name the Dustflier one Template:User Dustflier KHD and remove the Vanitas Remnant one, because we already have this one and it is mostly the same. Also, ENX, how do you like the Dream Eater userboxes? They are made by me.

Eternal Nothingness XIII Aren't hearts great? Steer us wrong every time. — 19:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC) The Dream Eater userboxes are excellent :) What do you guys think in regards to the accomplishments userboxes on the main userbox page? They're kinda redundant to the Trophies, no? I love the userboxes you two are turning out and feel the other ones on the Wiki (those not made by TNE or TSH on the main userbox page and in all sub-categories) are inferior-looking, thus they should be replaced or removed, if redundant...Thoughts?

Sorry for breaking the continuity a little, but TSH: Any time is REYN TIME! :DDDDDD Anyway, back to this. Accomplishments may or may not be redundant, but I think sometimes they may apply to the original games instead of their HD remakes. If we can make this clear, it'd help. Otherwise... uh... yes, some of the userboxes need redoing (I've a good mind to redo some of the Character ones), and we need some screenshots to fill up the Minigames ones. Also, for music, I put in a message on the Userboxes/Songs talk page. I need help, and if you and TSH can help me on this, I'd be grateful. Many of these are songs I haven't encountered, so I don't quite know of the context behind them. I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 20:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII If you don't believe the words I say...then you had best see the truth with your own eyes. — 02:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC) There's just a painfully obvious difference in quality between the new userboxes you and TSH have been making vs. the ones we've had since, like, 2009 :P The old ones need to be fixed/updated. It's fine that the accomplishment ones are meant to illustrate the pre-HD versions of games, but why not use better images than the sloppy ones we currently are? Basically, I think we should renovate all the boxes so they're on-par with the quote and enemy ones you guys have been making. I can't necessarily make templates for very long without getting frustrated (I just got a new job entering data for someone at my church for three hours a day everyday, and it's tedious as heck), but I'd be happy to give you context for pieces, TNE. I know KH like the back of my hand at this point, with the exception of KHX, of course.

My fiancé, Seán, understands your pain. Having been a sacristan and filling in data for hours on end, writing bulletins, and trying to keep a crazy priest on a leash, yeah, we can understand the tedium. Don't worry about the template-making, either I or TSH should be able to handle them. As for what goes into the template, I'd be glad for you to give me contexts etc. Also, I don't want to go through the pain of a Google Search for KH images gone wrong, and I certainly wouldn't want anyone to suffer that same thing *hint hint nudge nudge wink wink*. Yeah, it's not.... pretty.... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 13:26, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII Organization XIII has no further use for you... Just look there. Our Kingdom Hearts... Thanks to you, we've collected countless hearts... Can you hear their euphoria? — 13:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC) Well, whenever you need contexts, just let me know :)

TheSilentHero 斬 - Buster! — 18:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC) I'm no expert on music either. Maybe someone from Project Music can help. I would keep the old userboxes, even if they're not as awesome as the new ones, because there are already too many red links to userboxes (mostly on pages of users who don't visit the wiki anymore). The weapon userboxes are a good idea, although they would look better if they had an original quote, instead of "This user is a proud wielder of ____" Also, I talked to Porple and he increased the template limit by 50%! He did say we should split pages if they ever get as big as that, though. Maybe we should get people to put these new userboxes on their page. I think we're the only three who use them now...

I've actually got a good mind to remaking at least *some* of the Character userboxes, in the vein of the Enemies ones, just so that we won't have red links but we can actually spruce it up a little, ya get my drift? As for the weapon userboxes, I wonder if a part of the Keyblade description might be useful. By the way, lovely to hear about the template limit expansion. I don't have to worry too much about running out again... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 18:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Excellent that the template size was expanded after I created a separate page for userboxes :P

I wasn't a part of Project:Music, but I do have a good grasp on when songs play in each KH game.

As for renovating old templates, it's just a matter of consistency, something I try to push for in all areas of the Wiki. I think we could make all the userboxes (save for ones like "This user is male" and "This user's native language is English") look a little better since, compared to the new ones, they're an eyesore to me. We could always have a "userbox archive" of sorts to display past versions of the templates...Here's what I mean: this is the present version of the KH1 clear accomplishment userbox...

This user defeated Ansem and started the epic story of Kingdom Hearts.

And here's a new version made by KeybladeSpyMaster, which I like better...

This user finished Kingdom Hearts and started the adventure!

Basically it's the accomplishments userboxes on the main userbox page that I feel need updating. As far as the weapons userboxes, that was just a model/example description. I'm not saying we have to use it. Something from the in-game descriptions would be just fine. But we shouldn't be implying that a user is a weapon, as we do with the enemy userboxes. I feel like the character/music userboxes made by TNE, as far as updates go, such as Riku's userbox and the "Hikari -PlanitB Remix-" userbox, look just fine. It's the ones where the images are low-quality or the descriptions make no sense that I feel need fixing. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 02:04, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

You've put your thoughts down really well; I think I'd go with just about the same myself: Any userboxes with pixellated images get changed, and if there's more than one image on a Character / Form / Quote, we can basically pull off the Userbox Q. Video game userboxes go in the style of KSM's. Minigame userboxes just need a slight colour update. There may be minigame Qs which may probably deserve a section to themselves (and is probably more fringe, if you ask me) but I've thought of actual direct quotes from those involved in Struggle, so there's the premise behind it. The weapons ones can be a bit tricky. Of course don't say "this user is X weapon", although we might jazz it up in some cases. Take Space Paranoids for instance: I've taken a very Command Prompt-like theme to it. Skill and Crossbones may be done in the way Jack Sparrow speaks (though with his pirate drawl, I'm not sure how he'd say it). XD But you see what I mean. Most of them don't need to be jazzed up per se, but I think, where it's due, we could try it. Am I missing anything else? (Also, thanks for editing that User Goofy thing today; today is very important to Seán and me and we were out for quote a while. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 17:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII You make a good other. — 18:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC) Thanks, TNE! And no problem; congrats to you both! Sounds to me like you have everything covered that you need to for the userboxes as of right now; I love the idea of doing things Userbox Q style!

(Actor)

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — =01:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Yeah, I know that having the actor thing there is annoying, but apparently the template doesn't handle the "Wiki Name|Display name" notation. Cloud is the same way with Steve Burton. I don't really know the fix, but linking to the actor directly would be better than linking to the disambig, IMHO.

Eternal Nothingness XIII You act as though you have a conscience. When was the last time any one of us felt anything? — 01:55, 17 August 2015 (UTC) It should, though…see the recent history of Kingdom of Corona for proper formatting…Unless I'm mistaken…I agree the actor page should be linked to, but the right thing to do here is message someone who can fix the template to cover what is necessary.

Kingdom of Corona misunderstanding

Hi I just noticed that their is some misunderstanding here on the edit that was reverted, all I was doing was adding in "Tangled (2010)", since many of the films on the World Template have the "title" with "(the year of the film's release)" after, I'm very confused since personally I don't see it as repetitive and going against the articles. Of course, i'm just a simple user and need to create an account, but I only am here just for small edits nothing big nothing to minuscle, I'm not trying to upset the WHOLE MAJORITY of you since you had some past troubles with some users here.--98.198.217.176 04:30, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

You are correct. I noticed my mistake and reverted my edit back to yours. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 04:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Dark Firaga

Concerning your edit note: KHII Ultimania lists Dark Firaga among Riku-Ansem's attacks.--178.37.167.132 11:59, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Their

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — Chitalian8 02:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC) It's completely grammatically legal to use "their" as the possessive form for a singular indefinite object. Also, semicolons should connect two similar independent clauses, whereas the two clauses you want to connect in that article are different enough to be separate sentences.

Eternal Nothingness XIII Why did the Keyblade choose me? I have to know. — 02:52, 25 August 2015 (UTC) Then please tell me why every teacher I have ever had in my 15 years of schooling has told me that because "their" is inherently plural, it is wrong to use it when referring to a singular object.

Chitalian8 Say... — And here's me, playing the world's tiniest violin. Your face is priceless. — Chitalian8 02:58, 25 August 2015 (UTC) Hey, where I'm from, I've never been called out on this practice as being incorrect. Turns out that there's a whole related wiki page on the subject. I don't mean to start an edit war on this, though, but yeah, I don't think it's wrong, per se, although it might have been at one point.

Eternal Nothingness XIII Tell me... Tell me why he picked you! — 03:03, 25 August 2015 (UTC) It is wrong to refer to a singular object as "their," because it is plural. I'm sure there's this whole thing that has gone on recently because of trans-genders and whatnot that makes "their" apply to singular nouns, but from a purely grammatical standpoint, as of my senior year in high school (2013), it was wrong to use "their" when referring to a single person. Correct: The dogs chewed their bones noisily. Incorrect: The President ate their burger noisily. As for "me and semi-colons," as I said in a comment (you messaged me whilst I was editing a page), it is just part of my writing style, something that my grammar-crazy (and not necessarily correct?) teachers have drilled into my head over the years. It is often the case on this Wiki that people use comma splices or run-on sentences. I try to correct those when I see them, just as you do in your own way. EDIT 03:06, 25 August 2015 (UTC) - This college-approved and up-to-date site should settle the dispute, regardless of everyone's positions on it. Are we really going to allow poor grammar to be used for the sake of our personal preferences as a general community?

Just curious

TheSilentHero — 10:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC) Hey, I noticed in your recent edits that you remove the blank line between sections and I was curious why you did that. It doesn't seem to have any effect on the page itself and I personally think the edit screen looks cluttered without them.

Eternal Nothingness XIII Why did the Keyblade choose me? I have to know. — 12:52, 30 August 2015 (UTC) I do this because I personally think the space is unnecessary.

Limits

The gifs are great, but will you be able to get both Limit and Final Limit pics?

Also, depending on how easy it is: for my own OCD, would it be possible to get each limit with the character using their signature weapon and the extreme ring?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:12, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Those gifs are from a YouTube video compilation (one of the few decent ones, if I understand right), so there isn't much flexibility unless we go to someone with a good recording setup for KHD.

...I just remembered that we technically have a partnership with Cyberman65. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 19:09, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Moogle of Glory and Forteller's Keyblades

Why did you undo my edits on those pages? I was given the OK to add them. 97.81.38.40 02:03, 8 September 2015 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

Elements of what you added were quite sloppy. Just because one says, "Yes, you can add this," it does not mean "copy/paste from a series of notes." What you wrote lacked flow and was written quite unprofessionally at times. For instance, "and/or" does NOT look good on a Wiki article. Maybe I shouldn't have all-out removed what you wrote, but please see the other Keyblade/weapon design sections and use them as a model when adding your descriptions. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 02:08, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Firstly: I know it was sloppy, I said so in the edit notes. Which is why I said to change it. Secondly: Once again, I was given the OK to "copy/paste from a series of notes.". I was told it would be welcome. Thirdly: Feel free to take my edit and smooth it out, I'm going to bed now. Oh, and before I forget: I don't want this to turn into an argument or anything, just write me your final words on the matter and let's move on. Also keep in mind I'm very tired. 97.81.38.40 02:19, 8 September 2015 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

Firstly: it is inappropriate to add things to articles with a purposefully low quality. Secondly: one user's OK on a matter is not enough reason to do something. True, one does not need permission to add information to an article, but for something like "copy/pasting," a few other opinions should have been listed first. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 02:53, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

In my defense, I didn't know how low the quality of his info was nor the issue about "copy/pasting" when I told him he didn't need to ask. But still, I would like to point out that it would've been a better idea to edit the info to be more on the Wiki's standards instead of just outright removing it altogether, especially considering that section needed more details. And he himself requested in the notes to alter the content; you could've at least done him the courtesy. Blackchaos27 (talk) 04:43, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

If that's the game you want to play, there is no reason why you could not have fixed his edits yourself. We all have other things to do; there has been many-a-time in this Wiki's history when poorly-written edits (regardless of why they have been placed) have been removed from a page. Text should not be added to just "fill space." - Eternal Nothingness XIII 04:48, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Geez, no need to be flat out rude. The reason I didn't fix it myself is because my add ons usual get altered by someone else so I wasn't sure about the Wiki's standards. That is why I assumed an admin would just edit it to make it better. Fine I'll do it myself, but I can't right now as I'm a slow writer and I don't have the time right now, but if it makes you feel any better, I'll move it the info to the talk page and sort it out later when I have time. Fair enough? Blackchaos27 (talk) 05:48, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

And yet, you were being rude, yourself. A Wiki simply cannot function if all users do is "wait for the admins to do it." Do as you see fit. I'm not interested in continuing this conversation any longer. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 05:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Just a note to both sides, for if anything like this happens in the future -- instead of adding material that you know is not up to snuff, or deleting material that is useful but not up to snuff, please just add it in edit comments (<!-- and -->), so that others can work on your draft."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 16:59, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Also (and believe me, I know I don't have a perfect track record), if you believe you have been personally attacked, please report it to a neutral staff member and then don't continue the issue with the original adversary. No hard feelings, no black marks, just advice to make things easier on everyone."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 17:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)