Talk:Scala ad Caelum

Daybreak Town

You can find a structure very similar to the iconic clock tower in the underwater portion of the Xehanort fight. It seems like Scala ad Caelum might be in some kind of End of the World situation with Daybreak Town."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:33, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Character Section

How exactly does character sections work? I notice that currently a bunch of characters are listed solely for having visited the world. I thought we only listed characters that either are from the world or are affiliated to the world. We don't list Sora, Donald, and Goofy on every single world they visit. Neither should we do with most of the characters currently listed on this page. - JTD95 (talk) 13:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

I can agree to that."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

We are supposed to only list characters native to a world in the respective sections. I don't know why the KHIII pages (and probably others, too) aren't following that policy... - Eternal Nothingness XIII 14:44, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Master vs. Young

Eraqus and Xehanort appear in Scala at the end of the game. Why do we need their young pics?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:27, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

I have no good reason for this. It just seemed right. I also got the impression that the two of them playing chess at Scala during the epilogue was sort of their heaven. But either is fine with me. - JTD95 (talk) 15:39, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Org XIII Remnants

Since they don't have their own page, I'll post this here for now. They're constantly referred to as "remnants", but is that really the best word for them? Remnant tends to imply a remaining quantity of something, or basically, a "leftover." By that simple definition of the word, Nobodies are basically remnants of their original selves. By the time these guys show up, most everyone from Organization XIII has been defeated and recompleted, thus these guys can't really be their remnants. One of these even uses Xigbar's Arrowguns, who at the time, basically faked his defeat and death. Which makes these guys very different. As this version of Scala ad Caelum is created through Xehanort's memories by making him into a portal, wouldn't that make these guys something more along the lines of representations of his various selves? Reflections of his heart? Shades? Horcruxes!? --Samoa Joe (talk) 17:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Since every member of the Organization vanished after being defeated, Remnant seems to be the best choice at the moment. The Ultimania should have a more official name for them, which is why we should wait with creating a page for them. TheSilentHero 17:57, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. --Samoa Joe (talk) 17:43, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

So apparently, the latest interview identifies them as "replicas." --Samoa Joe (talk) 18:51, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Ultimania

So apparently, the Ultimania states that Scala ad Caelum and Daybreak Town are the same place. But...how the hell do we go about illustrating that on the wiki? We have no context as to WHY they are the same. With Hollow Bastion and Radiant Garden, and Land of Departure and Castle Oblivion, we have a clear cause to effect thing going on, making the distinctions clear. But there is literally no explanation why they're the same in this case, so how do we go about that? --Samoa Joe (talk) 18:29, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Hundreds of years is a pretty good reason. Same as Timeless River and Disney Castle."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 18:31, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

But...even that is unclear. Whether it's been hundreds of years, thousands, or tens of thousands. With Timeless River, we have a sort of roundabout timeframe by comparing the animation styles from real life and applying it to the game world: A good several decades. --Samoa Joe (talk) 17:32, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Where Xehanort and Eraqus grew up?

So, do we actually have any source saying that this is where Xehanort and Eraqus trained (primarily) under their Master? Or could it just be Eraqus's hometown, or possibly some sort of "conference retreat" that their Master took them to for a time?

Here's what we have about Scala ad Caelum:

• The trio emerged into a breathtaking townscape where stark-white buildings stood beneath a sapphire sky. The world, Master Xehanort explained, was called Scala ad Caelum, and long ago it was a seat of power for Keyblade wielders. Here, at the end of a long, grueling journey, we steeled ourselves for the final battle—to see Xehanort's ambitions thwarted, and with hope in our hearts that somewhere, somehow, we might save Kairi in the process.
• He and his best friend would often match wits playing chess between training sessions.
• "Of all the places to be sent. Behold, this town...Once a seat of power for all Keyblade wielders. It is the nexus from which all worlds spring. Here, I and my other selves can be one. United...in Scala ad Caelum."

While in the Xehanort Reports, we have Xehanort say:

• "Yes, it began when I found a Master, and another I would later call my brother—when I found a new home."
• "I had not visited this second home of mine for some time, and discovered Eraqus had already found two pupils of his own."

This to me indicates that Land of Departure is the "home" where Xehanort and Eraqus were trained by their Master, while Scala ad Caelum was some significant Keyblader location that they visited for a time."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 13:58, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Naming

Since their names have been revealed, should they not be edited in?
24.224.98.204 18:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Revealed how? Where? - JTD95 (talk) 18:58, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

In the ending, just before Xehanort surrenders the χ-blade, the boy in black identifies the boy in white as Eraqus, revealing himself in turn to be an older Young Xehanort, after he's left the islands and started his Keyblade training. And if that's not enough, after Xehanort dies, he and Eraqus basically turn into the two boys before they pass on. If that doesn't identify them as Xehanort and Eraqus, I dunno what would.
24.224.98.204 20:55, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Anon's got a point. I never got why you guys didn't change that. --Samoa Joe (talk) 16:07, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Even worse, Joe, when someone tried, a mod reverted it. You can check in the History.
24.224.98.204 21:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

It's the sort of thing that warrants a discussion, rather than a mindless edit-and-revert war. Since the discussion has begun, I vote in favor of. --Samoa Joe (talk) 03:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

It seems I was the one who undid that edit. I can't find any discussion or anything, and it's been a while, so I can only assume I forgot about that scene back then. But he does call him Eraqus, which confirms his identity, and Xehanort's as well, so I'll go ahead and change it. TheSilentHero 18:19, 22 November 2019 (UTC)