Talk:Lost Master Arc

KH4 is the start of the Lost Master Arc, so that would mean Re Mind and MoM aren't part of it, right? TheSilentHero 16:51, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

That's certainly what the trailer and the press hub stated. Since "2nd Phase" is no longer a thing, I suppose we should move Re Mind and Melody of Memory to Dark Seeker. Missing-Link is the one I'm confused about though. It's not said anywhere that it's part of The Lost Master Arc, and even though it's a sequel to Union X, it's not actually a X game... --Samoa Joe (talk) 17:01, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Since it's supposed to bridge Union X with Dark Road (which we consider an x-game) it probably belongs to the series in every sense of the word besides its title. Let's see if we get more information on this matter. --ShardofTruth 18:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hm, in that case, should we add it like so to the nav templates? I'll tweak it and if it doesn't jive, feel free to change it to whatever, but I'm more or less with Shard on this one. --Samoa Joe (talk) 21:49, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Re Mind and MoM has been stated to be part of phase 2 on earlier occasions; it's just now being named (or that's at least how I understand it). To me there is nothing that indicates that they're not a part of the Lost Master Arc. - Joseph Thorn Dalton ^XCV 23:00, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

[The press release] pretty specifically states IV is the first part of the Lost Master arc. "2nd Phase" was always just a temp name. --Samoa Joe (talk) 01:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Nomura has gone on record multiple times saying KH3 is the definitive end to DSS and that every after is start of something new. The press release states IV is the beginning of LMA, which doesn't mean that much considering how titles were handle in DSS. For all we know 3RM and MoM are prequel/set up to the main setting of IV with officially starts LAM. Adding 3RM and MoM to DSS section of the navi box is such an arbitrary impulsive thing to do. UnknownCheisā ^{—— From Shadows} 03:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Nomura said the logo for KH4 is different from the others because the Dark Seeker Saga has concluded. Re Mind and MoM still have the old logo style, so that would put them in the DSS, right? TheSilentHero 07:27, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Gotta agree with UnknownChaser here. Nomura has stated that KH3 would be the end for the Dark Seeker Saga. And even though phase 2 was just a temp name doesn't take away the fact that Re Mind and MoM was considered a part of it.

Edit: A suggestion for the template is to have: Dark Seeker Saga, X Series, Phase 2, and Lost Master Arc until further updates from Nomura/SE. - Joseph Thorn Dalton ^XCV 12:49, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Wiki policy is the use the most up to date information. I honestly don't even know why this is a debate. :/ The only uncertainty here is Missing-Link's placement. --Samoa Joe (talk) 17:05, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Because there is literality no information to suggest that 3RM and MoM are part of DSS. If anything, JDT is right on how given published information that there is XS, DSS, P2, and LMA. If anything, P2 is still consider an official term/thing that comprise only of 3RM and MoM and should be treated as an separate thing until an actual confirmation on where the actual placement of 3RM and MoM is. UnknownCheisā ^{—— From Shadows} 20:04, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

But the most recent information doesn't say that 3RM and MoM is a part of the DSS. The information that KH4 is the start of LMA doesn't nullify the fact that 3RM and MoM has previously been stated to be part of phase 2. Unless there are any good counter arguments I'll go ahead with what I previously suggested and add a Phase 2 section to the template for the time being. - Joseph Thorn Dalton ^XCV 20:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, that's a reasonable fix for the meantime, given that 3RM and MoM are explicitly not part of DSS. That said, it is strange that KHIV is called the "beginning" of LMA, unless it is truly meant to be separate from Phase 2 (which seems unlikely). Then again, the same press release called the KHIV trailer "the first appearance of Strelitzia", so I suppose we have to wait for Square Enix or Nomura to give us a better answer. Aid1043 (talk) 22:35, 12 April 2022 (UTC)