Forum:ErryK as an OP

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Erry - Fight and Away TALK - It is a massive shit taken on the display and functionality of the site purely to draw in more advertising cash. ~ 23:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC) I've spammed the channel last night and I was rude towards a number of people but I never did actually say to whomever it was. I never once explicitly said that I hated someone nor any personally negative feelings. DTN said there should be a discussion so, discuss.

Log

http://freetexthost.com/50nswa2rlz http://freetexthost.com/ohfxcokkdf

Discussion

...is there a log? I think reading what happened would help... unless a good chunk of the community was online when this happened. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 01:43, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll upload a log as soon as I'm done with setting up the Mirage Arena. Erry 14:58, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I personally think Erry should stay as an OP. If DTN doesn't take kindly to Erry's criticism he shouldn't have involved the others at the channel by muting the whole channel, he could've just kicked Erry or maybe even gave him a warning via query. In my point of view, Erry's just stating his opinion (or maybe even criticism) and he doesn't even mention the names, he's almost innocent. The17Master 15:40, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I second your opinion, 17m. Pea14733 ---- [水] 15:44, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay... what the hell. Erry, in no way, was being unprofessional. And I mean, DTN, really, calling him an unprofessional op for repeatedly trying to unmute the channel? That makes him an inappropriate op? What about your giant kick war with Kryten, where you ended up banning him from the social channel, just for fun? How is that professional? Or the multiple times when users have asked you questions on both the notioceboard and social channels, and only recieved "Beep" or "Boop" as responses? Not helping those who came to seek your aid is definitly not responsable. And like they said above, you shouldn't have muted the channel. That obviously didn't solve anything. Meerly because he stated his own opinion about a completely different site (which, by the way, refuses to affiliate with us, even though they know that we are the more encyclopedic of the two), he shouldn't be kicked for it. I mean, you didn't even supply ample reason why the subject wasn't preferable. Who was it going to hurt? The only FFWiki staff that occasionaly come around our channel are Hexedy and Azul, both of which are primarily inactive. I vote +o for ErryK. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 16:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I certainly don't chat enough in IRC to know what is going on with all the -o/+o and the quiet time (why is there such thing anyway) but I don't think Erry's vague criticism is enough to take away his OP rights. Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak his mind when he wants to, as long he does it in appropriate words? And who is zetaBasilisk by the way? --ShardofTruth 17:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Coming from the same place as Shard here, since I'm never really on the IRC, but going by the log Erry wasn't being unprofessional at all. He made a vague critique of another site. ...So? He wasn't cursing and he wasn't naming names. LapisLazuliScarab20:13, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Neumannz — Yeah, well, I don't care what the FBI, CIA, RGB and XFL say! I already returned the priceless paintings that were evidence! TALK — No one must see this. DELETED! — 20:54, 28 August 2011 (UTC)   My take: "Unprofessional" accurately describes what went on there. Erry should have moved off of the topic when he was asked. The whole channel-silence business and op/de-op warring was demented and shouldn't have happened, and between the three of you, no one did what you should have done, which was either to back off completely or to take it off-channel. If there was really more to this, as DTN said, then we'll deal with it when he gets in. At this point, though, I'm definitely not happy with how anybody acted.

The only thing that is "more to this" as in evidence is the past times I've been rude. But that was not done on purpose. Erry 20:58, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay, let me get this straight. Discussion was not taken off-channel. Deops were countered with ops, causing massive spam with ChanServ. Erry gets kicked. Second time, someone else spams and Erry gets kicked. Next day, he is deopped completely. I vehemently disagree with ALL that had happened. Dispute resolution literally has to take place because both parties are at fault: one for spamming, one for whose actions needed consideration... and weren't given much of it. Without being funny, both of you — DTN and Erry — have made mistakes in the past on the IRC. And so have I. But in no way did that mean shirking anyone of our responsibilities until this point. An op is a human, and insofar as he has admitted his faults and has wished to remedy the situation, his op status should be kept. We have deopped people who repeatedly broke the rules on the IRC and considered it nothing more than a mere joke. This was obviously not the case here, and I call for remedial action on both sides. EDIT 18:49, 31 August 2011 (UTC): Which means, get to the heart of the matter. The deopping was not warranted, and neither was the spamming. I call for the situation to be brought back to the way it was before. But I've learned that deep down, there's a light that never goes out! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 18:47, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Erry - Fight and Away TALK - It is a massive shit taken on the display and functionality of the site purely to draw in more advertising cash. ~ 01:42, 6 September 2011 (UTC) I added another log that justifies as what I did was wrong but it's normal. Because the same situation happened with DTN today.

Who was Aradooria? KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 02:05, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

But when Kryten, Neumannz, Crono or you swear, oh no, they're not at fault, nobody is, it's all sunshine and rainbows.... truer words have never been spoken (even though Neumannz really doesn't curse that much). This entire argument is the pot calling the kettle black, guys. No matter how much you believe or act, you are no better than anybody else, no matter who you are. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 02:19, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

...Guys this is getting ridiculous. Seriously. Would it kill someone to simply resolve this case? While Erry did swear, he did it just so he can get some attention and be done with this. Now, at the last roundtable this problem wasn't solved because DTN can't state his opinions yet, but I suggest we get it done at the next meeting. The17Master 07:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Or we can get it done now. The Roundtable is just a meeting, it's not like we can't discuss and make decisions outside of it. --LegoAlchemist 10:23, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I still stand by what I stand. Also, TI is right. There needs to be principle as far as every IRC user is concerned. At least whilst I was there people have reprimanded other people (including ops) for language and repeated message posting. I encourage this attitude insofar as people don't get riled up in the process (unless it's push gone to shove). The burden is on every individual person to maintain decorum in the IRC, to the best of his ability. Whilst I'm still on this subject, if I have done anything to offend IRC users, I am sorry. Let's bring this discussion to an amicable close, and start all over again. I also call for Erry's reopping, because he, after all, wanted it over and done with, and well... see my above message. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 10:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - Pinocchio with his nose attached to the trigger of a rifle, which points at his face as he says, "I want to live!" TALK - It was my understanding, as I've tried to get clarified before, that we had rescinded the PG rules on the social channel. I have not criticized anyone else for cussing on the new channel, and I resent the implication that I was being a hypocrite. My suggestion to this issue is, kill the social channel. I'm tired of hearing people whine about it, and not a single person seems to have any respect for the spirit of the guidelines we all agreed on; instead, it's always acting like assholes, and then trying to rules-lawyer; or trying to stir up drama between us and the keyhole by misrepresenting any issues that are brought up.

I'm afraid that's where your suggestion stops, Kryten. It's just as extreme as saying, Kingdom Hearts has fantasy violence, throw it out the window. Without being funny, how is it that people have maintained decorum every time I was on on the IRC? We block, we ban, we reprimand, that's it. The enjoyment of the social channel has been adhered to by most, if not all Wikidenizens, and it won't be fair to remove the channel when they have behaved well and they form the silent majority. But I've learned that deep down, there's a light that never goes out! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 07:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

No one called you a hypocrite, Kryten. It was meerly being said that DTN wouldn't yell at you for cursing, while he would go to the extreme to de'op Erry. You weren't there, and you weren't being called a hypocrite; you were being used as an example to prove the hypocracy of someone else. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 12:57, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "Space Corp Directive 195—In an emergency power situation, a hologrammatic crew member must lay down his life in order that the living crew members might survive."  "Yes, but Rimmer Directive 271 states just as clearly: 'No chance, you metal bastard.'" TALK - Yeah, that's false, too. DTN has fully banned me from the channel before, not just deopped me. I can see evidence that DTN may not have done what he did with proper decorum, but it is ridiculous to be claiming hypocrisy because he said no to the swearing. Bloody hell. It is plainly evident that Erry did not do anything truly unacceptable, so I don't see why he shouldn't get his ops back now. If we are all having an issue with what the IRC rules and the expectations for behavior are, that is a separate matter, and should be taken up in a publicized forum or at the next roundtable. But at least from the logs, I don't see Erry doing anything that would warrant loss of his op role. DTN, since you're the one with the keys, please fix it. Honestly, given the behavior of the both of you on the wiki or channel over this matter, I think you could qualify for a go in the manufactory; and you'd definitely qualify if this thing can't come to an amicable end immediately.