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This should be seen as a general discussion: I want all administrators, moderators, etc to see this.

In all seriousness, you at this wiki should take yourself more, er, seriously. I have a few ideas to distance yourself from the Keyhole, and they should be listened to, etc.

1. Walkthrough Namespace: This should be made immediately, because if you want to have guides that are professional and truly be seen as an encyclopedia, like Bulbapedia, you should make this space and allow anyone to make a good-quality walkthrough that can benefit the wiki.
2. Home Page: You should make this stand out more. The page is bland and only in two main colours: white and yellow. Use more colours and make it more unique.
3. Userboxes: First, since this is an encyclopedia, you should remake the userboxes using a clever quote with it, like with the Sora userbox, it should say something like: "This user is the chosen wielder of the Keyblade", with every userbox starting with or containing "This user". Also, the Categories for fan-stuff, like Category: Users who are fans of Sora" should be deleted immediately.

Well, there are more ideas that I haven't discussed yet, so please, discuss! SidVI 07:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

While I can agree with points 1 and 2 (In fact, point 2's being worked on already), I don't agree with point 3. The fan stuff is in the userspace, not the main content, so it shouldn't really be of any concern. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 08:38, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

And so is point 1. And then both projects stopped... Seriously guys. We need to do this, especially the walkthrough since it's probably the one thing we need to revive activities on this wiki. ^{What mattered most} _{was remembered least} 09:47, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

ROUNDTABLE. TODAY. GO TO IT. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 12:20, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

1) We're working on that. 2) We're working on that. 3) I don't really like that idea. For one thing, we already use the quotes, and jarringly tacking on "This user" seems pointless. Not to mention that the boxes are used for talk pages, forums, user pages, etc. - i.e. places that aren't the mainspace. As for the category boxes, they're for user pages, not the mainspace, so they're not a problem. LapisLazuliScarab15:49, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 15:59, 2 October 2011 (UTC) My say on the matters mentioned above: 1) Walkthrough Namespace - I am COMPLETELY against purging every personal walkthrough on this Wiki to make one completely article-redundant walkthrough that is sure to cause more problems than necessary when conflicting views come into play. People (myself included with this) work or have worked too hard on their walkthroughs for them to just be removed because they exist. If anything, we should move them to an off-Wiki site (like the Keyhole in our old userspaces, if they'll let us). 2) Home Page - While I'd like to see a more "jazzy" homepage myself, we're not a bunch of Wiki-princesses. I see no problem with our current main page (but the logo and the yellow KH3D sidebars, which should be purple to match the game or replaced with a neutral KH-esque theme, leave much to be desired). 3) Userboxes - Completely unnecessary to revamp them. I was working on a project to add new userboxes/make our current ones more creative, but this is NOT a first priority. If anything, the Keyhole should change theirs. If we want to do ANYTHING to set us apart from the Keyhole, I'd like to make my following opinion known: Right now, we have some stupid "image war" going on where we can't use ANY images uploaded to the Keyhole here without asking first. If this is done, the image is deleted on the grounds of copyright infringement. The same thing goes for text/articles; we can't copy it. While the Keyhole has changed their templates around a bit, why, then, are they allowed to keep OUR old articles/images? While a bunch of rewrites are pointless and there's no way we can dispute over an official render we both got from the same source, we're contradicting ourselves. I'd like to see an end to this separation (which I know will bring up the "this removes the point of us leaving Wikia in the first place" counter-arguement) so that both sites can have the benefits of the other (if they have an HQ render of the latest announced Dream Eater, we should be able to get it as well, and vice versa). Alas, I will not be able to attend the Roundtable (third one I've missed -_-; you can blame school and my parents for that). However, there is another issue, other than my opinion about the Keyhole and Walkthrough spaces, that I would like to have mentioned: I notice an EXTREME amount of laziness from the staff/regulars here. Certain staffers (who shall remain nameless) are slapping the Bad Name template on an image when they can simply move it to the appropriate title themselves. We also must then make the effort to CHANGE the image links on the articles the old images used to be hosted on. I also notice a problem with the templates where we can add a description as to what's needed/in need of change on an article: For the Expand template, all we ever say is "everything." This unspecific and unhelpful answer to "What needs to be done on this page?" needs to go. Like NOW! I can't tell you how many times I've seen a stub and don't know how to improve it because we're too lazy to write out everything the article needs. Same thing goes for the Betterpic template. WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THE IMAGE WE'RE USING? Yeah, the template says the image is "too small, bad quality, etc.", but WHAT SPECIFICALLY? I'd really like to see us either remove the customizable portion of those templates completely since we don't use them, or I'd like to see them used the way they are intended to be used. And there you have another wall-o'-text courtesy of ENX. I hope this makes my opinion on the current state of things apparent. I say what I say with the intent of sparking no arguements, only saying what's on my mind for the good of the Wiki for my fellow staffers to discuss.

For no. 3: I meant like this userbox (copied from the Final Fantasy Wiki). Something like that. It is clever and it works, and since this are an encyclopaedic wiki, the clever work would give a brief description of the character, like with this userbox.

This user is the keyblade's chosen one.

For no. 1), everyone can have a chance to make a walkthrough with the intention to educate and guide the masses, the intended walkthrough mainspace should be completed. For no. 2), the main page must be remade to easily link to all relevant pages and differentiate from the Keyhole. About images, find the image by using a different source from the Keyhole. For the help templates, I agree with ENX and descriptions on how the page could be expanded, etc. SidVI 16:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Concerning the "image war"... If the images are official, both sites are allowed to use them (there was forum about about that).

And about "why are they allowed to use our stuff?". WE elected to copy the content to here. We, however, do to the nature of wikis, could not elect to have the previous content deleted (and they couldn't delete either, even if they wished to). KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 17:42, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

In fact, ENX, we tried to get it deleted. Wiki didnt allowed. So, can you stop hating us so much? As for the image things, that was resolved with Shard, and posted in a forum here and the Keyhole. So, please, do some research.--Dark-EnigmaXIII 17:59, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Also, you asked for a render of the unnamed heartless, and you got it. We are really evil, right? Was it really neccesary for you to act so harsh against us?--Dark-EnigmaXIII 18:03, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? @SidVI: In that case, I'm not sure why you brought it up. Most of the user boxes already do that. It still doesn't seem to be a priority concern, in any case. @ENX: Agreed on the templates thing. I've always thought the Betterpic template should be modified to let us be more specific about what is wrong with the image. I was under the impression the image issue had been settled. Also, this is a nitpick, but: "The same thing goes for text/articles; we can't copy it." Why would we want to? That was kind of the point of spliting from Wikia. We're independant of the Keyhole's content. As for the Walkthroughs, this forum brings up hosting walkthroughs on a different site. Perhaps the user walkthroughs could be hosted there.

ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 21:11, 2 October 2011 (UTC) I think all your points are valid SidVI but just making suggestions isn't enough on a wiki in a long run. Get involved, help creating a better front page (I think Erry is doing the main work right now), find the quotes you liked to see in the user boxes and make the walkthroughs more professional. We are all volunteers and are working on different things all the time. I can name a dozen projects I'd like to complete, but I just don't have enough time. So get started and make a draft;-)

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! Okay... I'm pretty sure we voted previously that we'd host a single wiki-related walkthrough for each game. When it came time to discuss the specifics, like how different users' strategies could be implemented and how the walkthroughs would be organized, no one could really agree. We should bring that up and come up with some form that everyone can agree with. I am all for hosting user-related walkthroughs on another site as well, if that's what the community wants. I really don't have the coding knowledge that is necessary to make an entirely new home page, but if anybody asks I can give feedback. I'll try to help out anyway I can. Of all the issues we could be dealing with right now, userboxes are a low priority. The policy is that the mainspace always comes before the userspace, and userboxes fall strictly into the latter category. They shouldn't be of much concern. Sorry I'm missing the roundtable; I have too much real-life work.

KrytenKoro - "It's always best when the other chap is willing to die for his beliefs; you both have the same goal in mind." TALK - ENX, I've said this before, but gotdammit I do most of my KHWiki edits while at work, where I DON'T HAVE THE TIME AND ABILITY TO CORRECT ALL THE LINKS. I have a few minutes to mark the misnamed images, and then I have to get back to work. Also, I usually do add reasoning to the betterpics, it just doesn't display because I have no idea what the parameter name is. Walkthrough space: If people were really spending enough time on the various walkthroughs for them to be more than just stubs that warrant deletion, then we wouldn't be having such a huge problem getting the walkthrough space started. TNE's ReCoM walkthrough is probably the only one that actually gets to the end of its game. Also, if people want to get the walkthrough space started, we need to know what people want it to look like. Or, someone needs to just start typing one, so other people can comment on it. I've outlined the exact steps that need to be done tons of times, but I simply don't have the time to start this myself, and I need other editors to step in and give input.