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 The only evidence I ''really'' have is from an Ansem Report. The Ansem Report states ''"They are born from those who've lost their hearts..."''. In my opinion, I think that my interpretation leaves the least plot holes and makes the most sense. Saying that "Heartless are simply just beings of darkness and made from darkness" doesn't quite add up because of Sora turning into a Shadow. Yeah, I get that he's special, but I don't see how that could ''ever'' explain him turning into a Shadow. Also, I don't buy that Kairi was just able to return Sora because of her "Princess of Heart powers". The exact same thing happened to Eraqus. His heart broke and Terra went over to embrace him and he seemingly disappeared, but his heart was able to take refuge inside of Terra. The same thing happened to Sora: Kairi ran over to embrace Sora after he unlocked his heart, he seemingly disappeared, then I think his heart then took refuge inside of Kairi. And saying that "Purebloods are created when someone willingly falls into darkness and Emblems are created when someone forcefully falls into darkness" doesn't quite add up as well, because of the AntiSora situation. My theory also greatly clears up the Ansem, Seeker of Darkness situation as well. It pretty much clears it all up. Is it fact? No. None of what any of us think about this is fact really. But until we get more information on this from future games, interviews, etc and until Nomura straight up says how Purebloods/Emblems are created or until a KH game straight up says how Purebloods/Emblems are created, it's all interpretation and minor things to go off of like very vague comments from Ansem, Terra-Xehanort, etc. Also yeah, Pete might not be the best source for information, especially since many villains in the KH series purposefully try to steer us in the wrong direction and give us false information. I definitely think it's completely possible that Scar was a Heartless, but yeah, it's also very possible that Pete was lying and Scar just simply gained the ability to control darkness, like most of the other villains. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 19:25, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
+:The Ansem's Reports, in canon, are full of lies. We can't take them as Word of God unless their claims are verified elsewhere in the series. That being said, the Secret Ansem's Report (where they started the retcons) definitely say Sora regained his human form from Kairi's heart, specifically not his own. We see ''multiple'' Pureblood Heartless created from one person before their hearts are spilled -- the Darkside in the Dive to the Heart was Sora's, after all, as implicitly are the other Heartless that appear. Additionally, the way it's described in some sources, a Heartless is born when someone with darkness in their heart has it separated from their body and soul, with the Heartless being a side effect of the process, and may not necessarily be the heart itself -- although the process of retrieving the heart is the same as defeating the Heartless, and the stolen heart appears from the Heartless's remains, making it a pretty meaningless distinction. Perhaps we could say that when the heart is stolen, it disappears from the realm of light and an emblem heartless takes its place. Then again, the KH3D glossary explicitly retcons canon, claiming Heartless have no hierarchy when the plot of both KH and KH2 specifically relied on saying they do (though it may have been misworded, and simply meant they aren't ''organized'' in the way the Organization is, as a strict, rational coorporation). For what it's worth, it claims that "chaotic Purebloods arise spontaneously" (i.e., they are simply living embodiments of the darkness in hearts), while "Emblems are created artificially by Ansem" -- meaning that his machine facilitates whatever process allows Emblem Heartless to steal hearts and create new Emblems from them. Furthermore, it's a ''huge'' plot point that Xehanort's Heartless is sharing bodyspace with Riku's heart -- that Heartless has to be, functionally, equivalent to a heart...
+:...here's what has to be true, basically:
+*Heartless act like a person who has no heart (although so do Nobodies, allegedly).
+*Emblem Heartless release hearts when slain, which can be retrieved into the artificial Kingdom Hearts if done by the Keyblade
+*Emblem Heartless are created when hearts succumb to darkness (not necessarily through being stolen by another Emblem -- see the Necromancers in The Land of Dragons), in a process somehow catalyzed by Ansem's experiment -- EXCEPT IN SORA'S CASE. If a heart is stolen but contains no darkness, it does not produce a Heartless.
+*Sora's case is backwards and frontwards an anomaly, as he is also the only one ever to regain human form without destroying his Nobody, "due to his bonds to others".
+*Xemnas in KH3D (the newest canon) talks about the hearts and bodies of the organiation being separated into "Heartless" and "Nobodies".
+:It's really damn similar to demons in Xanth, honestly. Demons in Xanth only have souls, and that soul is so busy trying to do the job of the other missing components, that it can't do its real job to snuff, so the demon acts soulless. The Heartless have hearts working overtime to give them the physicality of a body, so they lack emotion or love. The Nobodies have their body and soul trying to give them the semblance of emotions (until the retcon that they just regrow hearts, because they're all a pack of Ensemble Darkhorses that have to get Mary Sue retconned powers every five minutes), so they're not always completely "there", and fade away when they die. Something that is missing an important piece of itself becomes obsessed with that piece, and forgets to treasure what it already has.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:32, 8 February 2016 (UTC)