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 ::::No, I mean a journal entry. If you go to jiminys journal -> characters -> the first (must be named others) ..it's right above Xemnas journal entrys (in his black coat named "Organization XIII" followed by "Xemnas"). [[User:Sum2k3|Sum2k3]] 20:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 :::::Ah. It should be added to the infobox.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 09:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
+== The Return of Xehanort ==
+{{EO|time=21:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)|thinking=As many may recall from a certain battle on a certain main page, I stated I was never a fan of making "Terra-Xehanort" the dominant article over "Xehanort." I hate to be difficult, but I would like to push for either separating the articles again, or at least making "Xehanort" the dominant article. I try (and most likely fail) to explain my reasoning below:
+*If we're doing it here, why not merge "Terra" with "Lingering Will" (who really ''should'' still be called "Lingering Sentiment") or vice versa? They ''are'', after all, the same entity (same case as with Terra/Xehanort/Terra-Xehanort, which brings up the question of why we didn't merge "Terra-Xehanort" with "Terra," or "Xehanort" with "Terra"...). However, we count them as separate.
+**If related characters or characters who are essentially the same being are having their articles merged together, then why aren't we merging all the Xehanort incarnations into "Master Xehanort"? Why aren't we merging "Xemnas" and "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness" (who really ''should'' still be called "Xehanort's Heartless") with this article, since they both originated from ''this'' Xehanort (and not Terra-Xehanort)...?
+**It's my personal opinion that, unless obviously the better choice (such as when an Unknown is identified, etc.), the same policy for enemy articles should apply to the character articles, where we stick with the original name. What I mean is we did not change the name of "Rabid Dog" to "Bad Dog" with the release of ''358/2 Days'', even though they are the same Heartless and ''358/2 Days'' is more current than ''Kingdom Hearts II''...
+*Xehanort is not ''once'' referred to as "Terra-Xehanort" in ''Birth by Sleep'', save for in the credits. We should be using the names used in the reports and cutscenes rather than those used in the credits, since they are the ones actually intended to be canon. The credits are merely credits, with next to no basis for naming.
+**Terra-Xehanort has no Journal entry in ''BBS''. Xehanort has his own entry in ''Kingdom Hearts II''.
+**In the "Timeline" section of the Trinity Archives, both the "Keyblade Graveyard" and "Final Episode" sub-sections contain information relevant to Terra-Xehanort. The name is ''never'' used. The only ones that pop up are "Terra," "Master Xehanort," and "'''Xehanort'''."
+This information all seems to support making "Xehanort" dominant over "Terra-Xehanort," assuming we wish to keep the articles merged. Now if we were to try justifying separating them again...
+*For the same reasons (whatever they may be) why we keep "Terra" and "Lingering Will" separate...
+*The incarnation of Master Xehanort known as "Terra-Xehanort" is born when Master Xehanort's heart invades Terra's body. He is able to wield Master Xehanort's Keyblade and even spawn the Guardian, but he favors Terra's battle style and techniques. The hearts of Master Xehanort and Terra battle within him for complete control. Terra-Xehanort essentially perishes when he extracts Terra's heart from within himself and accidentally seals Master Xehanort's heart in the process, resulting in amnesia and no memory of how to wield the Keyblade or use his other powers.
+*When Terra-Xehanort extracts Terra's heart from within himself and accidentally seals Master Xehanort's heart in the process, resulting in amnesia and no memory of how to wield the Keyblade or use his other powers, he essentially becomes a new entity and new incarnation of Master Xehanort, "Xehanort." While his body is still essentially Terra's, Master Xehanort's heart is in complete control. Xehanort becomes Ansem the Wise's best apprentice, begins the experiments that threaten the worlds, and eventually perishes when he becomes a Heartless, "Ansem," and Nobody, "Xemnas."
+*Terra-Xehanort is only seen once in the entire series, ''Birth by Sleep''. Xehanort is seen not only in ''Birth by Sleep'', but also in ''Kingdom Hearts II''. "Xehanort" is also the name that is used to refer to the character throughout the series, not "Terra-Xehanort," which only appears in the credits of ''Birth by Sleep'', guidebooks, and unofficial media, none of which are relevant to the canonicity of the story. Again, I mention how only "Xehanort" has a journal entry.
+*Xehanort is not ''once'' fought in the entire series. Terra-Xehanort is. Placing battle-relevant sections on an article presumed to be about a character to which none of them apply is quite confusing/misleading, for lack of a better term.
+**If we're going to go through with this, we may as well add information on Nightmare Armor Ventus to Sora's article...
+<small><small>I also wish to point out how when we first did the voting for the merge, we wound up with a tie, and nothing was ever done about it.</small></small>
+In short, the "Xehanort" character from ''Kingdom Hearts II'' is only relevant to ''Kingdom Hearts II'', just as "Terra-Xehanort" is relevant only to ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep''. For the reasons stated above (despite my lack of ability with words and to defend myself), it is my strong belief that the articles should either be separated once again or changed so "Xehanort" is the dominant article.}}