Template talk:KH series

This should also list V Cast and the two facebook games as "related/licensed games"."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 18:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I think it's perfectly fine under "Remakes and other titles". Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they pissed me off. - Erry 07:04, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't see them there. We're still missing the Days facebook game."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 17:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts χ [chi]

The game is listed in the timeline of the Memorial Ultimania so even it its canon status is debatable it's part of the main series. Also giving the additional movie in the re-release of Re:coded with Maleficent and Pete everything could easily explained with a datascape-like plot device. --62.159.63.34 11:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

What's the issue here, whether its story is canon, or whether the game falls under "main series"? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 04:58, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I think it's both. The argument I've made is that since it's canon (or the basic story is), it belongs under "Main Series". It can be seen on the IP's talk page, but I'll copy it here, so that we don't have to link to other places:

Kingdom Hearts χ is, in essence, canon. Nomura noted this in an interview with Famitsu in September:

"The "Tome of Prophecy" appearing in one is connected to KHχ (Key), so you'll come to understand what sort of power it holds. I included that element in KH2.5 because many people right now have the impression that χ(Key) is detached from the series, and I wanted to convey that there is indeed a firm connection."^{Translation of Revised Famitsu Interview - Kingdom Hearts Insider}

Obviously, there are parts of Kingdom Hearts χ that can't be considered canon today, such as the inclusion of various Disney worlds and characters. Still, though, the main story of the game is canon. That's why it's alluded to in Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX, in the "Tome of Prophecy" cutscene. That's why Kingdom Hearts III is being developed alongside the online-game. That's why Tetsuya Nomura is looking for ways to localize Kingdom Hearts χ. Were it not so, the game would be similar to Kingdom Hearts Mobile: it wouldn't receive continuous coverage, nor would it ever be localized. That's why we've moved it to the Main Story section of the KH series Navigation template.

KeybladeSpyMaster 05:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

1st Phase/Dark Seeker Saga

Do we know for sure the Dark Seeker Saga is the "1st Phase"? It seems to me like the χ games aren't part of the Dark Seeker Saga (since they don't involve Xehanort), but also not the 2nd Phase. And Re Mind seems to fit in both. So are we sure that Dark Seeker Saga is the 1st Phase, or is it possible Phases and Sagas are different things? TheSilentHero 17:42, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

There is a no official comment on the phases available yet but at least to me it seems like they are more like production phases than self-contained story entries in a sense of a saga. I think the pre-release or post-release interviews for Melody of Memory might clarify the situation. As it is even the distinction between the Dark Seeker Saga and χ series is very muddy to begin with. --ShardofTruth 19:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to think it is more of the production phases like Shard suggested. Also, in true Nomura fashion, something may be labeled as one category/"thing" at some point- perhaps during MoM?- but then be re-labeled as something else further down the series. >_< Xion4ever 23:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I mean, why would you call the 2nd phase the '2nd phase', if there wasn't a 1st phase to begin? Thats standard conventional grouping. But then again this is KH, where the points don't matter. Union X for sure is part of Dark Seeker, as the 2020 trailer show the key art along with all the key art as part of the DSS. ReMind is definitely separate from DSS, as all official material stated DSS ended with KH3, while ReMind is a new alternative story that takes places, despite being apart of KH3. UnknownCheisā ^{—— From Shadows} 03:52, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not saying there isn't a 1st phase, just that the term may not be interchangeable with Dark Seeker Saga. According to Nomura, the DSS is about the battle against Xehanort. Re Mind still involves battling Xehanort, and the χ games don't. TheSilentHero 09:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

2nd Phase Rename

In the trailer for the 20th anniversary celebration they referred to the next step as the "Lost Masters Arc" so would it be cool to change the name? Also, where would you put Kingdom Hearts Missing-Link? It's going to connect to Kingdom Hearts χ [chi], Kingdom Hearts Union χ [Cross], and Kingdom Hearts χ Dark Road, and likely the Lost Masters Arc going forward. {{Levi657 (talk) 12:26, 10 April 2022 (UTC)}}

I'll second this. "2nd Phase" was always meant to be a temp name anyway. --Samoa Joe (talk) 12:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Series/Arc confirmation

In a Famitsu interview, Nomura says the following about Missing-Link: The KH series consists of the Dark Seeker Saga up to KH3, the Lost Master Arc starting from KH4, and the χ series (KHX, KHUX, KHDR). But Missing Link fills in a blank period and is a bridge-like work. So that confirms Missing Link isn't part of the x series, or any saga/arc for that matter. Also, since Missing Link isn't part of any saga/arc, maybe Re Mind and MoM can also be considered bridge games between Dark Seeker and Lost Master? TheSilentHero 15:27, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Seems like it. Annoying that he seemingly goes out of his way to clarify things yet doesn’t. Also weird how ML is a bridge between two X games but aren’t part of the actual X series. But I agree, ML, ReMind, and MoM is outside of any saga/series/arc then. - JTD95 (talk) 16:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

You know, nonsense like that is why I'm thinking maybe the template should be like the nav portal: Rather than split the entries up into "series", which is starting to make very little sense and is just confusing to newcomers looking at the navigation, it should just be order of release. The game entries themselves can clarify what series they're a part of, if any, properly link to them in the articles themselves. --Samoa Joe (talk) 01:42, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Maybe that would be better, yes. TheSilentHero 07:07, 15 April 2022 (UTC)