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Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 22:08, 6 October 2011 (UTC) Well, we've officially started it: KHWiki's own Walkthrough Space :D I spent a great deal of time talking to Erry on the IRC, and together we compiled a list of issues we'd like to discuss with the community regarding the walkthroughs: Pace - We're moving far too quickly. I understand everyone's enthusiastic, but shouldn't we be handling pages one at a time to ensure each is as flawless and accurate as possible rather than creating dozens of half-complete and terribly written sections just to get the guides over with faster? Placeholders or not, there's no reason why we should have just started Destiny Islands (which is now looking quite good, I must say) and suddenly now have pages for every world in the game. Now people are trying to start a KHII guide before we're even finished perfecting KH1? Slow and steady wins the race, people! Strategies - This area has several sub-topics in need for discussion: Actual Writing - NEVER use any word related to death (killed, die, etc.). There is NO concept of death in any of the currently released KH games. Say, "keep away from the Unknown when it starts using its rope attack, as the attack is lethal and can instantly deplete Terra/Aqua/Ventus's HP to zero," NOT "keep away from the Unknown when he starts using his rope attack as it is lethal and can cause a 1-hit kill." Multi-Phase/Opponent Battles (Tabs) - How are we to handle boss battles such as the Clayton + Stealth Sneak/Final Episode battles against Terra-Xehanort? Will we be using tabs as I did here and here? Through tabs, we won't have to worry about cramming up a strategy section/unnecessarily increasing a page's length through multiple templates. We also have another place to put "Boss: Xemnas" rather than what is currently the "name" section (which Erry and I thought would be cool if we used instead to quote the Information bar for later KH games). In the worst case, tabs could be used to list multiple strategies for the same enemy (harder enemies with multiple methods like Sephiroth) from various users ("Strategy 1" and so on). FM Content - Erry and I have discussed this, just as we have many times, and we both seemed to agree it would be best if we included FM content in with that of the original game, so long as it was CLEARLY MARKED as FM-exclusive (see this). Bonus stories like the Secret Eipsode would get their own pages. Order of Guide Sections - To me, an ideal order of sections for a final guide would be "Main Page w/Table of Contents etc. -> Basics/Gameplay Elements/Controls -> Story Walkthrough -> Bonus Material like how to get Ultima Weapon -> Bestiary/Character stats and abilities/Items Encyclopedia." Do we all agree with this? We appear to be doing the story walkthrough first. The other stuff would be done afterwards when it was all that had to be done. Bestiary/Items Encyclopeida - This, along with character stats/abilities would be done mostly through tables. Could we possibly develop a template not like the enemy article infoboxes for the bestiary section (similar to what's done in the official KH1 guide). Items would list all items and where/how to find them. Color Schemes - There are to be boss templates made in a style similar to that which I used in my BBS guide. Erry and I wanted to discuss doing the templates based on each game's color scheme. Rather than make a template for each type of enemy like we are presently doing, I think it'd be best if we create a single common boss template per game based on the color schemes from each game and use it for each type of boss (KH1 would be dark blues, and so on; we'd get really specific in BBS, Terra's bosses, whether Somebodies or Unversed, would have a brown template, while Aqua's would be blue, and Ventus's green, for example). Templates would still have all the same sections, granted they'd change for each game to include new statistics. Plain vs. Dynamic Colors - So Erry and I are having a bit of a disagreement as to whether we should favor the plain colors (like in this template) or the bold colors from my BBS guide in whatever boss templates we end up creating. I personally hate the plain and bland colors currently in the Heartless boss template; the colors are too dull and blend in with each other, making it hard to differentiate between sections of the template/read what's written in general. My colors are not only bolder, but you can actually see what's going on (or at least I tried to achieve this). Please see this for a comparison between our two ideas for a common KH1 boss template and list which you think is better and why. Walkthrough MoS - Should we add a new section to the MoS regarding all rules for the Walkthrough (this isn't a free-for-all; we MUST have rules before the walkthroughs fall to chaos), or are we going to create a separate mini-MoS or page for walkthrough rules in general? I believe that about covers every topic Erry and I discussed. We look forward to your input!

Lots of info there. My thoughts: About Pace: Before I say anything, I'm in agreeance on not even touching KH II or any other games until the KH walkthrough is complete. However, I don't believe people should be limited to one page per time. If it was only one or two people working on it, that would be great. This isn't our case though; we have more than four users (that I've seen today anyways) edit the walkthrough space. If you put those four+ users all on the same article you'll just get conflicting edits. Why not separate into small groups and "divide and conquer?" For example: Users A and B will tackle worlds 1 through 4. Meanwhile, Users C and D will work on worlds 5 through 8. Once either group gets done or they want something checked, everyone will review the page and comment/help out. Should one group finish-I mean literally have everything shined and checked- before the other, they can just wait till the other group catches up. Obviously this is an example, but you get the point. About Strategies Actual Writing:I concur. This goes without saying, you only write about what happens in-game, even if it is a walkthrough. Multi-Phase/Opponent Battles (Tabs):Agree again. I like the idea of tabs. FM Content:Sounds good to me. Looks good as well. Order of Guides Sections:Agree. Table of contents is definitely a must. Bestiary/Items Encyclopedia:Agree. Color Schemes:Agree. Yay color coding! Plain vs. Dynamic Colors:Hard choice. I say Erry's simply because of a personal preference to darker colors. Granted, the text might be harder to see. To that I say switch to the other template if it becomes a problem. Walkthrough MoS:I'm up for creating a set of rules. Heck, with the amount of forums we have on this topic we have plenty of information to use/get it started. As for section vs subpage: create a subpage. Much cleaner that way. Nice work, guys. ^_^ Your efforts in this huge project are easy to see. Xion4ever Promise... — 23:00, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - You should have figured out whether bodies age without their hearts, Nomura. TALK - I told people to do Destiny Islands, let us all comment, and then proceed from there. I have murder in my eyes for the people who decided to instead throw everything up so that it will now be that many times harder to get them all in standard. The non-DI guides should be locked for now, they are going to need a heavy reformatting. Death: Use knock out or take down, not "deplete to 0". Strategies: Strategies should NOT tell you "this is the way to do it". They should focus on how to deal with the opponent's attacks, and at best point out efficient tricks to use. We should not be trying to tell the players there's only a few ways to do the fight. Dual-boss battles: Just put their pictures next to each other. For phases, use separate boss boxes; the boss box needs to be more rounded, like on the FFwiki guides or the bradygames guides themselves. FM: Design a template like the canonend one that covers FM-only content, and another that covers original-only content. Order: Contents, Basics, Walkthrough per World. I don't think we need Appendixes (since our existing pages are already pretty much appendixes), and part of the whole "When you return with X" idea is that we won't have Ultima Weapon thrown in somewhere at the end. For example, in KH it would be part of the Traverse Town article. Bestiary: I forgot whose guides they are, but one of the gamefaqs writers always lists the enemies and treasures at the beginning of the world. We will be doing this per each room: A simple, rounded template, two columns, with a list of enemies and a list of treasures in the room will work. Colors: Honestly, ENX, your's is so bright that it physically hurts my eyes. However, Erry's is a bit bland. Can you guys try to reach a happy medium between the two? (And maybe not all the text has to be white). General coverage: The guides should walk you through each room, so that the player always knows what room they are supposed to be in. For anything where you have to find something not glaringly obvious, some screenshots would be helpful. We also need Erry's videos somewhere prominent on the page.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 23:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC) I forgot to mention the issue of categorizing the walkthrough pages (how shall we go about doing it?) and possible dividing of users (but people would not be limited just to their division; if someone who was to only check for correct grammar had a good strategy, he or she could add it). In regards to the template, I suppose we could try reaching a middle ground of sorts. I just tried using a gradient closer to that of the game's boxart/logo color. I'm gonna stick by my version, not because it's mine, but because, as you said, Xion, you can see the text much better in my version (not to mention mine's more visually appealing; that's an ex-Wiki princess for you). I'll try to come up with a sample strategy using my and Erry's templates. Maybe that will help make it easier to decide...