Talk:Xemnas

Single format

On the Organization XIII articles, or perhaps even all character articles in general: they really do need to have one single format. For instance, Vexen has an origin section, while everyone else does not. Speaking of, I really think the Organization XIII origins should all just be put in the actual Organization XIII article, or, everyone else can also have an origin section.

But, to get back on track, one single format can make the articles seem more orderly. Thoughts? DannyP 23:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Weaponry

Xemnas' weapon is actually not the red blades. His panel was destroyed, like Zexion, so we don't know what he uses. Plus, the Armored Controller uses a massive halberd. 63.113.61.147

Yes it is. Xemnas never even HAD a panel. Xemnas clearly uses Aerial Blades as his primary weapons. And his Armored Version doesn't count, because that's not his natural form and weaponry. Besides, Ultimania states Xemnas' weapon as such. How do you think everyone got the name?

Seriously, end of story. DannyP 15:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

(grr, edit conflict) Doesn't he use a big sword when he's all armored up? And I don't think he has a weapon panel... anyway, this is why I think it should have a section link in the infobox that goes to all the weapons he uses. Sure, his "official" weapon is aerial blades, but the infobox doesn't necessarily need to be an ultimania stats copypaste, if it had a link to relevant info about all the weapons he uses it would still be informative. I've long stopped reverting by now, but I still don't think it's a sacred thing to have the infoboxes look exactly as Ultimania does. , having it say that his weapons vary would be more clear. Scottch 15:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

But the infobox should be a description of Xemnas' natural state...especially when the picture is of his natural state (well, this isn't that serious of a point). What he uses when powered up should be something else entirely. It'd be pretty misleading otherwise. DannyP 15:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the bit about the fact that the pic is him in natural form is a pretty good point :) Makes me a lot more uncomfortable about having "aerial blades" in the infobox, so no more disagreement from me. Scottch 16:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Very well then. I admit defeat. I didn't know what the Ultimania guide said. But Xemnas' panel was smashed.CyberXIII 14:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember him having a panel,are you sure he did? Scottch 18:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Xemnas doesn't have a panel. The closest thing is that barrier preventing you from going any further. DannyP 01:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for all the trouble. I checked again, and DannyP is right. The Superior has no panel.CyberXIII 14:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Mansex

I'm sorry, but this "observation" is really just juvenile. It makes Xemnas and the content of this article seem a little ridiculous, nor is it really "humorous"--in short, it doesn't really reflect well on the Wiki. I mean, c'mon, are such ridiculous jokes like this actually funny, OR notable? DannyP 22:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• I didn't laugh real hard, but it's probably one of the most common fan jokes out there about Org XIII. I question the addition of "Dilan's name anagrams to Linda", having never heard it before, for example, but I hear the mansex one all the time. If nothing else, look how much the Xemnas part of Wikipedia:Organization XIII gets vandalized :-) Maybe it would read better if more fan-ish info was added and combined into its own section? Scottch 23:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • It doesn't matter about how well known it is. It's still really, really juvenile. Adding such things just lessens the quality of the article, in my opinion. But, for its own section, I don't really know. DannyP 21:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
• I also think we should remove it. Its very immature, not to mention annoying. -- SFH 23:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Of course I won't go alone against the wishes of two editors, but is not liking something really a good reason to not have it mentioned? I don't particularly like that Zexion and Marluxia got iced before Kingdom Hearts II, but I'm not just going to cut that info out of the articles. Scottch 23:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
    • It's not a simple matter of liking, or in this case, not liking, something. For "Mansex", it just really doesn't contribute positively to the article. People are going to see it as really juvenile, and therefore see the article in a worse light. Besides, Marluxia and Zexion's deaths do not parallel the whole thing with "Mansex", because that's in-game information that cannot be argued against. DannyP 04:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Pokhmon - Moon shine down! TALK - Be gone! — 21:21, February 6, 2010 (UTC) it is insanely childish if you think it should be on the site put it on your userpage

Hotdragon 295 - I...will never be a memory. TALK - Descend, heartless angel. - 19:18, July 29, 2010 (UTC) and why not erase this trivia??? It's like some people know that joke (not very funny).

This discussion ended in 2007. you're three years late dude.LapisLazuliScarab19:22, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Enigmatic Soldier

What about Xemnas relationship with the ES's ally, Aqua? And let's not forget his resemblance to the ES in his Armoured Controller persona.

• Aside form him holding her armor in the Room of Sleep, there really is no relationship established yet. That would probably be best waited out until further info comes out about the who/why/whens of it all. The Patron Saint of Lost Causes 20:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Quotes

I think that Xemnas's quote chart is sort of out of place, compared to the other KHII member's. The Japanese counterparts aren't that important, and if we had that, we might as well put translations of the COM's member's quotes as well. I dunno, the difference between his and the rest of the member's quotes just seems really too... conspicuous IMHO. XienZo 01:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Xemnas:Kingdom Hearts

Do you need any specific stats in kingdom Hearts(1) for Xemnas to appear after defeating Maleficent?I really want to know the answer to this question because when I defeated Maleficent in Kingdom Hearts(1) Xemnas didn't appear and I didn't feel happy at all.

He's only in Final Mix. The Hexed

...you'll probably be even more pissed when he totally rapes Sora in the first I dunno..six times? ;)--N/A

About the controlled Nobodies

Xemnas controlls the Dusks, not sorcoress

He specifically controls sorcerors, all members control Dusks, with highest priority going to Xemnas. XienZo 02:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD! has any one else realised that Xemas is an annagram for MANSEX!!!! ARGGGHHH!! Anyway, HI!

Look up:http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Xemnas#Mansex XienZo 01:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

True emotions

Xemnas is said to be a "Special Nobody" (at least Nomura thinks so. Even the creator doesn't know!) and at the end The Superior joins himself with Kingdom Hearts (whats left of it any way) and I'm betting that "Anger and Hate...are Supreme" comes from experience

if xemnas didn.t gain emotions when he merged with kingdom hearts it never would have.incomplete heart is better than no heart at all

Video removed

The final Xemnas battle was taken down by youtube.

Cosmic colonel 23:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Title

It seems that there is a dispute over whether or "The Superior" is his title or not. Now I've not read the Ultimania, so I can't say whether or not it would be considered his official title, but seeing as it's the only thing close to one that we've heard used, and that it just sounds outright badass, I say we credit it as his title anyway. Adaxredael 22:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

y'know that is his title. and eveytime I add it and it gets removed and replace with "N/A" this is bull crap. don't you think Adaxredael?Eliskuya2 00:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

His official title is," The Superior of the In-Between", officially.--[User:Xienzo|Xienzo] 05:50, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

From what the gang at Castle Oblivion said, he is The Superior. He's obviously The Superior - he can't be anything else. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Well what I'm thinking is that if Urutapu, or anyone else for that matter, can give the source in the Ultimania where it states that Xemnas has no title, than it can be stated in the article that he has no title. However, I do think that in the character template his title should be given as "The Superior", if only to keep to form. Adaxredael 03:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

• bangs head on PC* there is nothing from Ultimania saying he haves a title. its just a fake thing to do it. just put "N/A" its spam. from Urutapu anyway you can changed his title back if you like amigoEliskuya2 04:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll make the change. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

thanks troisnyxet. you are a handful with friendship :)Eliskuya2 04:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

don't mention it. all I want to see are resolved issues. no strings attached. ;-) Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Huzzah, I return and this is all cleared up. Sorry if I dragged the issue out too much, guess i was just trying to please everyone. And yeah, I think the issue stems from the fact that the Ultimania doesn't have a title with his name on the character page, so as far as I'm concerned (and it appears others are as well) "The Superior" might as well be his title. Hell, it's not like we have adhere to every line of the Ultimania's. Adaxredael 05:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Na, it's fine. :) There's still something to be left resolved, though : there's still a hidden message inside the infobox. I edited it. I need someone to go take a look. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Kharon - "Not even the deepest darkness can shroud the connection our hearts share." TALK - "My inner darkness saved me when I needed help the most." Now someone has added the title 'The Leader of the Between'. Is there any evidence to support this, or not.

It's in the opening video for 358/2 Days.—Urutapu 06:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Kharon - "Not even the deepest darkness can shroud the connection our hearts share." TALK - "My inner darkness saved me when I needed help the most." Using several online translators, all of them translate 狭間の指導者 as Leader of Interim.

KrytenKoro - "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." TALK - ...which has the exact same meaning. Seriously, that's why you should translate with an online dictionary, not with babelfish. It allows you to actually do contextual translation, instead of having the machine pick out a non-grammatical, barely-contextual phrase.

Ruler

KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living." TALK - When, and of what, exactly?

I didn't put that category there. But come to think of it, wasn't he the one who usurped Ansem the Wise's leadership ? By banishing Ansem to the Realm of Nothingness, his Heartless became the ruler of what was then known as Hollow Bastion, whilst his Nobody took charge of The World that Never Was. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? That's where you're wrong TNE. First off, Xehanort banished Ansem the Wise before separating his being. Xemnas is the ruler of the aptly-named World That Never Was. Ansem (the Heartless) does not control Hollow Bastion after Good Ansem was banished, Maleficent took control. Bad Ansem controls the End of the World, the Heartless-infested nebula that acts as the final level in Kingdom Hearts. He only was in Hollow Bastion once and that was for other purposes than ruling.

I can't place in the language setting !

I've noticed that Kingdom Hearts has a dropdown menu in the sidebar that also leads to its German equivalent. Some command [[de:PAGENAME]] is required to activate it, I think. Now, I've almost finished editing the French equivalent of the Xemnas article, and User:Unbirth will help me correct the grammar and all, if there are any anomalies. I'm not sure how to add on to the dropdown menu at the side. Worse still, when I type [[fr:Xemnas]] in the same fashion as done in the Kingdom Hearts article, it doesn't work ! I tried doing the same thing in the French KHWiki but it didn't work. What I really wanna do is link the articles from both wikis together. Anyone here who knows how to help me, please do - it'd be very much appreciated ! This monster... This is no Unversed. Just a dweller of Darkness. • TroisNyxÉtienne

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...{{{time}}} Honestly, I have no clue...have you tried looking through Wikia's help?

Tried, but to no avail...... I can't seem to find the right code to put in to link to the francophone wiki. Worse still, now I'm on Wikia Help and I don't even know where to go, or what to do. I practically learned my wikimarkup through trial and error. But trial and error doesn't seem to work here...... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Zoro-XI - So, you have come this far and still you understand nothing. Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness! TALK - Still confused? Then perhaps this will enlighten you! Perhaps this will help you. http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Interlanguage_links

Zoro-XI - So, you have come this far and still you understand nothing. Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness! TALK - Still confused? Then perhaps this will enlighten you! This code might help too. Languages <select onchange="WidgetLanguagesHandleRedirect(this);"><option value="0">English</option><option value="http://de.finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_%28Ort%29">Deutsch</option></select>

Thanks. I'll give it a try and let you all know about the outcome. It is rather funny what I would do for honey. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Okay, the second code didn't work. I'm going to check the Help:Interlanguage links page and see if that works. EDIT : I tried the first one before starting this discussion - I tried putting [[fr:Xemnas]] but it came as a red link, when all I wanted it to do was link to the Xemnas page. Then I tried the second one, but it seemed to come out as visible wikimarkup. So I removed it. Think you can help me on that one ? EDIT : Not to mention that I did that thrice, and it didn't work ! Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Hi. Sorry that I don't have a cool talk bubble! Inter-language links need to be enabled by staff before they will work. I've now enabled them for all languages of this wiki (English, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, and German), so they will be usable soon. Unfortunately due to caching, any that were already in use won't start working for a day or two, so French isn't working right now, but it should magically fix itself soon. Please let me know here if it still doesn't at the end of the week. Angela<staff /> (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I was just about to ping you for help when I saw your message. Thanks so much, Angela-san. Man, I just hope this works...... It is rather funny what I would do for honey. • TroisNyxÉtienne

It's working now! Angela<staff /> (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Angela. Thank you so much ! It is rather funny what I would do for honey. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. Crap, I'm the founder of the french kh wiki and I missed the whole discussion. >_<

Don't worry...... At least you now know what the [[en:]] thingamajig is for. I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne

True Intentions?

Morghman - Now! Let's savor the utmost of suffering together! TALK - As the other dies, their agony radiates through my body, and living through it is pure ecstasy! I know that Organization 13's general goal is to become full beings again, but I read somewhere that Xemnas really just wanted to take over the universe. It makes sense too, he and the other apprentices purposely gave up their bodies, so why would they want to become whole again. So if anyone knows what Xemnas was really planning, can ya please shed some light on this subject?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Oh, that's simple. First, the Organization didn't really intend to become Nobodies, it just turned out that way because they need subjects to test their experiments, well the first six. It was mistake, and they want their hearts back. As for Xemnas's true goal for the whole universe thing, I just don't know. I'm sorry.

See, the story of Seymour in Final Fantasy X and Xehanort's (Xemnas') story here are related, in one way : Both of them were given power. Seymour had an aeon from his mother's fayth. Xehanort had superhuman capabilities and added trust from Ansem the Wise. Both of them thirsted for more power. And ultimately, what do you get out of this ? Megalomaniacs, that's what. You keep on thirsting for more until it eats into you like a vicious cycle. And so it was with all parts of Xehanort. At the end of the day, he thirsted for more knowledge on hearts, and ultimately, Kingdom Hearts. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

"I'm creating a brand new world,one heart at a time"

"nothingness is eternal"

"Hear me, Kingdom hearts!It seem we must begin anew.Ah,but know this:I will give to you as many hearts as it takes.Mark my words!You can no more be complete without me than I without you.Heed me, Kingdom hearts!Lend me your power so that we may be complete!The power to erase the fools that hinder us...Hearts quivering with Hatred...Hearts burning with Rage...Hearts scarred by Envy... (what a talker...)

"that fool Ansem said that the heart's true nature was beyond his understanding,but It's not beyond mine!Hearts are the source of all Power!"

"Anger and hate...are supreme"

Morghman - Now! Let's savor the utmost of suffering together! TALK - As the other dies, their agony radiates through my body, and living through it is pure ecstasy! As the dude above me clearly pointed out though, Xemnas obviously liked anger and hate, and wanted to make his own world. I think that kinda proves Xemnas's intentions. Now that you think about it, Marluxia was planning to overthrow the Organization so he could rule instead, there'd be no point for him to take over if they wanted to be human again, since in the end they would all return to normal.

Good points but i think the key quotes here are Xemnas:"Hearts are the source of all power" and Sora:"there's more to a heart than just anger and hate". In xemnas' mind, Hearts=power and Anger+Hate=Heart.

days and some nomura's interviews make all this clearer

Morghman - Now! Let's savor the utmost of suffering together! TALK - As the other dies, their agony radiates through my body, and living through it is pure ecstasy! I was looking through the Marluxia page, and I was thinking, why would Marluxia want to take over the Organization if they were all gonna become human in the end anyway, then I relized, he wouldn't. He obviously suspected Xemnas was going to overrule the universe, and wanted that power for himself. I'm just saying, the Organization Rebelion was Xemnas vs Marluxia, and the prize for winning was the universe.

First and last

Anyone find it odd that not only Xemnas was the first and final member to fought, but he was also the first and last Organization member to be revealed. He was the first to appear onscreen but the last to unveil his identity. Kaihedgie 04:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? He wasn't fought first nor did he appear first. Axel was fought first and Marluxia appeared first (hooded of course). If this is a Final Mix-only thing tell me because I do not own it.

Xemnas first appeared in Kingdom Heats Final Mix, which was released two years before Chain of Memories. Kaihedgie 06:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Dude. Do you really expect anyone to read your comments when your text is yellow on white, of all things?—Urutapu 06:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Me? Mine's yellow over blue.

Unnecessary Roughness

Trivia Snip: "...In the short cut-scene just after the laser dome attack Sora uses his and Riku's Keyblades in unison to snap Xemnas' spine and then impale his chest with a beam of light. However when the cut-scene ends Xemnas is still shown to be (barely) alive."

A lot of this piece of "trivia" is erroneous and more graphic than the truth of it really is. A beam of Light pierces him, he reels from it, and slowly disappates like the other Organization members did. Claiming it "snaps his spine and impales his chest" is both an incorrect retelling of the events and unnecessarily graphic, isn't it? Can someone edit this to make it more factual?203.205.125.204 13:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? That's what it looked like to me. For one Sora was bashing the heck out of him with the 2 Keyblades and looking at all that brute force unleashed, slamming dual Keyblades with that much strength against the back cannot be a good thing for the spine. However the chest impalement is true. Just play the game again or watch the video on Xemnas (Enemy). The beam of light goes flying right through him. Impalement, last time I checked, is when something seriously, if not mortally, wounds someone by going right through a body part.

Maybe, but Xemnas also gave Riku a few slugs across the jaw, which could have very likely broken it. No one says jack about that. Why? Because there's no proof. Xemnas, Riku, and Sora, all beat the tar out of one another the entire fight. Stating that Xemnas' spine was "snapped" and he was "impaled" implicate a lot of highly debatable context, and I for one didn't hear the sound effect of a bone breaking. In reality, all we know is that Sora laid up on him, and he and Riku shot Xemnas with a piercing burst of Light. Why add in details which only paint a violent picture when one isn't necessary, or confirmed to have happened? Facts over speculation, says I. 203.105.95.93 08:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Can Nobodies (or any disney character) be said to have spines?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Yes, and what kind of question is that? Everyone must have a spine.

you haven't watched many disney cartoons lately have you?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... I'm just saying, why wouldn't they have a spine?

I'm just saying that a lot of things happen in disney that isn't technically anatomically, or physically correct.whether or not they possess said organ isn't so much the issue as whether said organ would react the same to being whaled on, as in real life, as opposed to just being something for the moment(a disney character can be nearly catatonic one moment and standing as if it never hapened, the next.)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Just leave it be.

Actually, anon brings up a good point. Heartless and Nobodies already lack body parts, either physical or metaphorically. How are we to know that Nobodies aren't simply made of lingering sentiments of their original individuals and a whole lotta living Nothingness? There's nothing that says their are physically human under the skin.203.105.95.93 06:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Good point.

I got really annoyed fighting Xemnas. You fight him twice, then twice again as armour, then as a dragon. Why can't he just die?(Bananaphone1996 21:07, April 15, 2010 (UTC))

What happened?

What happened to Xemnas' original title: The Superior?Winxfan1 16:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

Well, my fellow anon, it appears that the japanese version of Days puts his title as this.(Fifty digital bucks says the English localization puts us right back to the superior.)

What's an anon?Winxfan1 16:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

it's someone who isn't registered to a wiki. I guess I wasn't paying attention when I made that post >_>.

Thank you. Winxfan1 17:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

Anons, like I've said repeatedly (don't think I'm mad at you, since you probably wouldn't have seen it), "Superior" is simply a term of respect. Not his title.—Urutapu 01:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, the english localization might put us right back to where we started. (alternative theory: who cares?)

...why would it do that?—Urutapu 13:14, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

why wouldn't it?(and when hasn't it?)

Because Square is one of the few companies you can count on for real quality localization (they also have Disney backing them, which is probably the reason we get real actors to do the voice track). And it's a very stupid assumption to make that they would cut three words from an FMV.—Urutapu 13:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

consider your stupid assumption a fact.

Bodyguard

I have noticed a small edit war going on over the idea of Saix & Xigbar or Luxord being bodyguards to Xemnas the edit that keeps happening is between the three pages and always states Saix to be one, but keeps changing to Luxord or Xigbar being the other. Now two things id like answered where does it actually state any of them are bodyguards to Xemnas ? (As much as i love Saix & Luxord if they are there not that good at it) I mean i remember them appearing in Yen Sids tower but i dont remember him actually saying "Oh these are his bodyguards, id show you the rest but im to old to remember" The otheer simply being if they are, who is the right pair ?—Ximodnic 19:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Morghman - Now! Let's savor the utmost of suffering together! TALK - As the other dies, their agony radiates through my body, and living through it is pure ecstasy! Ya, why does everyone keep saying those are his bodyguards? Last I recall, Marluxia was scared to fight Xemnas even with Axel and Larxene. Why would somebody THAT strong need bodyguards?

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Even the most powerful of people need bodyguards. It's always good to have a human(oid) shield around in case any assassin with projectile weapons come along.

I completely agree i mean it was most likely that some of the members were indeed bodygaurds, or atleast along those lines/did it anyway. I would just like to know why it keeps reappering ? i mean if i was Xemnas (oh how i wish) id probally consider better ones, i mean Xigbars a good choice and maybe Xaldin., coz lets face it as much as Luxord and Saix are my favourtie members.......not the worlds best bodyguards.?—Ximodnic 19:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The proper two, as shown by Yen Sid, are Saix and Xigbar. You can tell by their stances and how their robes are shaped. Luxord, while a high-ranking member, wasn't shown to be his "bodyguard", though he did last longer than Xigbar in the timeline of events.203.105.95.93 08:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok ill accept that because you can tell by there stances but where does it actually say there his bodyguards, i mean it might look like that but at no point does anyone says "Oh yeah these two are my bodyguards, the others just kinda follow me around"?—Ximodnic 15:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Just off the top of my head for the final 3 members killed before Xemnas and their role: Saix: second-in-command; Xigbar: Xemnas' bodyguard (presumably on break when he got into the fight with Sora); Luxord: the Castle That Never Was' chief-of-security

...Okay, there is absolutly no way you could know what their "jobs" were at the castle, though Siax does clearly seem to be second-in-command. I think that they were all there because they had to defend the casle from Sora and company, not because they were doing their jobs. And even if those were their jobs, it makes no sense to even have the role of chief-of-security for a place that'd never been invaded before Sora came there, and I can't honestly expect Xemnas to allow Xigbar, or anyone a break, especially when their home is being attacked by the only beings that pose a threat to them. Plus, they can't be his actual bodyguards, since they were all sent out on missions away from the castle at one time or another (Luxord at Port Royal, Siax chasing Kairi around and appearing before Sora at Twilight Town, and Xigbar going to the Land of Dragons). Also, anyone else find it interesting how the two other Organization members shown next to Xemnas at Yen Sid's tower are the (presumebly) second-in-command and the member that is the actual number two? I'm guessing that Xemnas must have assigned the origonal six numbers intentionally, and Xigbar was his second-in-command way back when. Then Siax came along, the first nobody to join them that wasn't in that origonal accident, and Xemnas thought him to be more capible than Xigbar. That's my guess, anyway. And if you don't agree with me, I'll just give you blunt trauma through the use of a giant key until the concussion convinces you that I am right. Of course, no matter whether I am right or not, we can't put that speculation into the article, but at least it'll give the people looking at the discusion page some solace. 69.205.62.182 18:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)The soon-to-be member that as of yet still lacks a name

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? I was actually just taking wild guesses as to who had what job. However odds are that Xigbar is probably "third-in-command" because he does seem to be one of the most competent members. I mean really he actually managed to nearly get rid of the Land of Dragons and get away while only appearing once. Saix seems pretty badass too as he took out Riku and Kairi while barely moving at all. That being said I think Xigbar might have the role of a chief enforcer since odds are he didn't take on Sora by coincidence (also it wouldn't have made a difference whether or not Sora was dead since Riku and Mickey both wielded Keyblades). These are all just theories though. Also I noticed that some of the more sarcastic and easygoing members have their zippers higher such as Xigbar, Axel and Demyx. Also considering Xigbar's laidback attitude I think that he just stepped down from head honcho next to Xemnas so he could have some more free time.

Really though, we can only speculate what the Organization was doing in their free time, thier jobs, everything. Perhaps the upcomming 358/2 Days cold fill out some info. I guess we'll just have to wait until it comes out. Keyblade Mage 12:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

I don’t think its entirely untrue that the members have jobs alongside there duties. I mean would you trusts Dusk’s to run that massive castle. Though that did just give me the amusing image of Luxord doing paper work while Axel flicks paper clips at him. Funnily I do agree with you, unnamed man that Xigbar very well could have been Second in command until Saix appeared but I’ve always thought Xaldin kept a high rank. I mean Xigbar bickers with others, not exactly something you’d want your 2nd to be doing whereas Xaldin throws his Lance at Axel for not following orders, pretty high ranking if you ask me maybe 3rd behind Saix?—Ximodnic 14:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Xaldin also seems to be the chief enforcer as well. Both of them were sent to look for neophytes to run Castle Oblivion. They also seem to be quite trustworthy as you don't really allow people you don't trust to take out a Keyblade master. That being said I think Zexion also seems to have a high rank. I think ranking goes as far as Xemnas trusts these guys. So in that sense he's probably good pals with Saix (that would also mean that Marluxia has the lowest ranking in the Organization). Think about it how many people would you actually trust to take out the Keyblade master, destroy the Land of Dragons, take on the badass Beast and keep an eye on the Grim Reaper wannabe of a member? Answer: Not many.

Its worrying how much we agree Flashpenny, Zexion to me along with Saix, Xaldin & Luxord is one of Xemna’s most trusted. I belive if it had not been for Axel (in Re:Com) he would still have been alive to have met and fought Sora. I mean he out lives Marluxia who was lets face it the main villain of that series and clearly didn’t fear Xemnas as much as Vexen did which probably should he was closer to him. As far as the actual point of this (long ago) it seems to have been resolved and now just mentions about who appeared besides him, I is happy.—Ximodnic 17:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Morghman - Now! Let's savor the utmost of suffering together! TALK - As the other dies, their agony radiates through my body, and living through it is pure ecstasy! I never really took the time to look at their stances in Yen Sid's Tower, but I think the third-in-command is Luxord. Ever notice in their little meetings how Luxord's always got something to say? He's also the third last to die. Xemnas either knew of Luxord's importance, or he was just using Luxord to keep Sora busy, but I doubt it's the latter. Either way, he kept him alive longer than Xigbar, who wasn't the most trustworthy guy in the Organization if I may add, as he was always spying on Xemnas, as he revealed in the Final Mix cutscene.

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Hang on, I just noticed something that could back up my claim of Xigbar being ex-second-in-command. You notice how Xemnas has amber-colored eyes. Saix has them too. However every other member in the Organization has regular-colored eyes but Xemnas and Saix have those as well. However notice that Xigbar is the only other member aside from those two who has amber eyes (eye). I know this is probably worth next-to-nothing but if you ask me it seems to much to be coincidental.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - The three of us can never be torn apart, all right? I'll always find a way. TALK - When I really need you, Ven, I know you'll be there. — 00:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC) That's actually a good point. As I said in the Forum, perhaps Saix took Xigbar's place, because of his and Axel's old plan to take the Organization. After becoming a Nobody, he stayed loyal to Xemnas as second-in-command, removing Xigbar from the post because Saix did better in missions....

Xemnas's age

Xemnas isn't the oldest in Organization 13, Vexen is,Which is clarified in the Chain Of Memories Manga,Plus It's said that Zexion's the youngest apprentice, and Saix is older than him. Going by what was said in Personaliy,your saying Zexion is older than Saix.

I think your misreading or it isn’t made clear that he is the oldest NOBODY the chances are he was the first to be turned into one given his role as head of Organisation, not the oldest in terms of age.Same with Zexion, Zexion being an original apprentice is likely to have become a nobody before Saix, Same way Luxord is probably older than Axel or Demyx but became a nobody after them, so Axel is an older nobody than Luxord (This all assuming they became nobodies at different times of course) A last point is that the Manga isn’t as canon as you should take it, I mean Marluxia is only battled once and Larxene wasn’t defeated in that way. Also as a side note *not just to you* someone now keeps changing Xemnas personality back and forth, can people please discuss a change before starting an edit war. >:( —Ximodnic 14:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

In the new Nomura interview he says that Xemnas looks about 30.--74.210.24.180 04:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Physically, yeah, but Nobodies don't age. LapisScarab 03:26, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Holding back?

I noticed that Xemnas was seemingly goin' all out on Sora in Final Mix, usin' all kinds of crazy attacks, but in KHII, he only ever attacks with his aerial blades in his normal form.

Also, what's this talk of Infinity providing an ability? Kaihedgie 01:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Infinity is the only pair of aerial blades in 358/2 Days that has an ability attached to it.—Urutapu 02:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

And that ability is...? Kaihedgie 03:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

...are you too lazy to click a link? I'm not justifying you with an answer.—Urutapu 05:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

You don't need to be rude about it. Some of us don't even have the game nor can some of us read Japanese not to mention no actual article was written about it. And when you say 'I won' justify you with an answer', it makes you seem like a dork.Kaihedgie 06:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

It's Risky Combo.Glorious CHAOS! 12:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I know what it's called, I just don't know what it does. Kaihedgie 13:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Title translation

After looking through some Re:COM cutscenes, I've realized that the Japanese word that got translated as "the Superior" was "Shidōsha" (which is "Guide" here). Do you guys think the translation should be adjusted? "Superior of the In-Between" or something?—Urutapu 19:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

HarpieSiren - Here's one for all of us TALK - It will keep us connected Well, when Days comes out in September a lot of our unofficial translations will be likely need to be changed to the official one.

KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living." TALK - 21:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC) We only have a few months to wait, let's just set all the "professionally" translated terms in stone (limestone, I guess) for now, and wait until the final names are confirmed.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. 83 Days until 358/2 Days. And Xemnas' title is "Guide to the Interstice". Organization members call him the Superior because he is their leader. I know this because, well, I'm a Xemnas expert. Look at my user page. I'm all Xemnas ^_^

KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy." TALK - 17:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC) I'm responsible for that translation, and we decided that since both Hazama and Shidosha have previously used translations, those would probably continue to be used, so we turned it back to "Superior of the In-Between".

English weapon name

It's "Ethereal Blades". Conveys the meaning a lot better, methinks. Plackers 11:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Further up on the page, other users reference the official guide. I don't have it, but if the english version of the guide says "Aerial Blades", then we should use Aerial Blades.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.105.185.98 (talk • contribs)

We use the newest English information. The English Days demo is a lot newer and a lot more English than the Japanese-only Ultimania guide from 2006.—Urutapu 20:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough.

a question

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah. i know this is gonna sound stupid but what did xemnas mean when he said no more eternal than that radiance of yours

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? It's really nothing more than a witty comeback to Sora's: "That doesn't mean you're eternal!" So honestly it's the same thing if someone called me fat I would retort: "Whatever you say Chris Farley." He's really just giving a comeback.

Firaga44 - Dissidia is awesome! TALK - I'll be playing crisis core over there*points to a corner*. thanks for answering my question

Morghman - Now! Let's savor the utmost of suffering together! TALK - As the other dies, their agony radiates through my body, and living through it is pure ecstasy! I always thought it like this. Xemnas "If Light and Darkness are eternal, then surely we Nothings must be the same." Riku "You're right. Light and Darkness are eternal. Nothing probably goes on forever too. But guess what Xemnas?" Mr. S(ora) "That won't stop us from kickin yo ass, foo! I pity you!" Xemnas "If you can kick mine, then I can kick your ass as well..."

Firaga44 - Dissidia is awesome! TALK - I'll be playing crisis core over there*points to a corner*. i would crack up if that happened

HeartFallout Talk! — If I had a dollar for every time I broke my PS2.. I would still be very poor. — 08:47, January 1, 2010 (UTC) lol. Sora gets Mr. T on Xemnas

Edit Wars

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 20:32, September 11, 2009 (UTC) What's with the Xemnas edits all of a sudden? I'm pretty sure that info is false, anyways. Xemnas is the first to appear CHRONOLOGICALLY. He's not really the last to reveal himself, either. That honor is held by either Roxas or Luxord. Or am I imagining things?

Brago-77 - The future belongs not to those who wait... TALK - It's not the great who are strong, it's the strong who are great— 20:41, September 11, 2009 (UTC) No you're right, not counting Roxas, Luxord is the last to reveal himself. Xemnas is before everybody in KHII besides Saix and Demyx. Thats why I changed it.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 20:45, September 11, 2009 (UTC) Exactly. This was the order of face revelation in terms of chronology : Axel Larxene Vexen Marluxia Zexion Lexaeus Roxas (last hooded member to be revealed, but his face is shown through the beginning gameplay in KH2) Saix Demyx Xemnas Xigbar Xaldin Luxord

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Actually I think Demyx appeared before Saix. One little small problem there EN.

Speaking of Edit Wars, or rather, what happens as a result of Edit Wars, is there a reason why the page is locked from Editing? See, I wanted to add something into the trivia section about how one of Xemnas' Stock Arts has a similar pose to SSJ Broly in "Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan".

Purely speculation, and anyway, generally speaking, we don't include references to other series in the wiki (save for those of Disney and Final Fantasy, for obvious reasons). LapisScarab 05:31, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

um is it me?

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah. Is it me or is their 11 quotes when there's only supposed to be 10?I count fiur whole times and i counted 11 every time.

No, there's only 10, but I think I know why you thought there were 11. Check again, and look at where the quotation marks begin and end carefully. LapisScarab 05:19, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

HeartFallout Talk! — If I had a dollar for every time I broke my PS2.. I would still be very poor. — 08:49, January 1, 2010 (UTC) I'm not sure anyone really follows that rule. I don't think 1 extra quote would be a problem.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? What do you mean? From what I've seen the rule has been followed pretty thoroughly. And the reason the rule is there is to keep people from adding every single quote they think will be "cool". That would be messy and unorganizaed. Instead, we cap the quotes off at 10 relevant ones.

I am curious....

Of why 2 edits I made in the trivia were removed by the member known as KrytenKoro. I did not post nothing troublesome, but rather describing Xemnas a bit.

One of them was pure speculation (least emotional), especially given his penchant for melodrama. Compare him to Luxord, Marluxia, Saix, Xaldin, Lexaeus...pretty much anyone but Roxas, Larxene, Axel, and Vexen.

The other was false. The origin of his name is from "Ansem", nothing more.Glorious CHAOS! 19:44, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

• Hmmmmm, well so far all the people I've talked to related to Xemnas told me that they thought the same, because given your examples, Luxord is "cheerful" and loves to play, so he is basically "happy" all the time. Marluxia is sadistic, Saix goes berserk, thus he feels anger, Xaldin is also incredibly sadistic. Lexaeus well, there I may agree with you.
• Well yeah Xemnas name comes from Ansem, which at the same time is an anagram of names, and Xemnas renames the members, I think it is way too much of a coincidence to do not be added.

Going berserk is not emotional. It's purely a mental state, and is more closely related to "feeling no pain". Furthermore, Xemnas loves him some melodrama.

The origin of his name is "Ansem". We're not doing stupid speculation, especially if it relies on further speculation for evidence (we have no proof that Xemnas names all of them, just Roxas).Glorious CHAOS! 04:55, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

• Mental state, eh? Ok, you do have a point there.
• Well yeah we only see him renaming Roxas, nonetheless Xemnas is the real founder of the organization and its leader as well, and he himself changing the names (well in this case of Roxas) is still a bit much of a coincidence don't you think?

Wait, he name's the members himself, doesn't he?--[User:Xienzo|Xienzo] 05:51, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Didn't Nomura state in an interview that chronologically Xemnas is the strongest character in the Kingdom Hearts universe? Shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere?

Nomura has confirmed that Xemnas was the strongest member of the Organization, which is noted. He said nothing about Xemnas being the strongest in the KH universe. LapisScarab 23:14, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Appearance

Is there any reason Xemnas' Appearance section is before his story while every other character on the wiki has it the other way around?--Randomnessity 22:02, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

My brain failed when I wrote the section. Feel free to move it.LapisScarab 08:51, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Tried that a few weeks ago. They thought I deleted it. Which I didnt.--Randomnessity 21:00, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I took care of it, and clarified my actions in the summary. It shouldn't get reverted.LapisScarab 21:18, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Cool. For some reason that was bugging me.--Randomnessity 21:27, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia edit request.

One of the items listed in the trivia cites that Yen Sid shows Luxord, Xemnas and Saix as the presented Nobodies. It's actually, and obviously, Xigbar, Xemnas and Saix.203.105.95.93 11:04, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? And you know this how?

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? He/She's right. Xigbar's cloak and posture are very distinct. It's clearly not Luxord. See the scene here at 10:29.

Yep. Definitely Xigbar.--Randomnessity 20:59, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Lapis. All the Organization members have a unique robe/posture/stance while idle. Xigbar's cloak has broader shoulders and tighter sleeves, Saix and Luxord both have standard cloaks, but different postures; Saix has a bit of a predatory haunch-forward, while Luxord stands taller, head back a bit.

And Maggosh, I know it's the internet and all, but you really need to be less of a prick.203.105.95.93 11:11, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Pokhmon - I'm so FLATTERED! TALK - But you're TOO LATE! — 09:08, February 13, 2010 (UTC) also it makes more sence with it being the leader the second in comand and the rank 2

A keyblade master??

Hello everybody, I haven't edited here ever but I'm administrator from the spanish version of this wiki and I have a question.

Everybody knows that Roxas is Sora's nobody and that is why Roxas can handle the keyblade (at this point most of yu know my question already for sure :P)

So, we have seen recently that Master Xehanort (a keyblade master) took Terra's body (another keyblade master) and we see how the new Xehanort in Terra's body fights Terra's armor. So with all this we have that Xehanort can use the keyblade when he is in Terra's body. My question: Is Xemnas able to use the keyblade then as a nobody of a keyblade master?

The answer is obviously that he can't, otherwise he wouldn't have used Roxas or Xion to use the keyblade so, why isn't he able to use the keyblade?? PaS NaS 16:59, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura stated that if you forget how to wield the Keyblade once than you forget forever. Xemnas may have remembered his past as Terra but he would have forgotten how to wield the Keyblade before then Hence no Keyblade wielding. At least, that's how I see it. Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.

Sora, Vanitas, Roxas, Ventus

In the battle against him on Final Mix, he says to Sora "He looks just like you" and he also says to Roxas "He looks a lot like you". We thought that he said that Sora looks like Roxas, but they do not look like each other. Now with BBS we know more about Xemnas. Isn't it possible that he said that Sora looked like Vanitas and Roxas looked like Ventus?Redeemer & Destroyer 21:28, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

There's no proof Xehanort/Xemnas was involved in BBS so it isn't possible to say, Atleast not now. 108.1.78.29 00:19, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Do you know anything about BBS?Redeemer & Destroyer 20:46, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

BigHeadZack - You shouldn't judge anyone by appearance. TALK - If the subject fails to respond, use aggression to liberate his true disposition. Well, from what I've heard and read, Master Xehanort has seen both Ventus, and Vanitas, and if Xemnas remembered it, then he could reference them to Sora and Roxas, right?

"I've been to see him. He looks a lot like you." Xemnas to Roxas at the Dark Margin 97.81.45.56 01:39, 8 February 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

Battle themes

It says he and Marluxia have the most battle themes but either Vanitas has more or they are tied if you don't count the Sentiment battle. Should it be changed to fit Vanitas in or put him on top? Randomnessity Well, you won't vanish from my memories.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? I don't really see the point in that particular trivia piece to begin with, but if we change it then I don't think the Sentiment battle should count since it isn't technically him.

That's what I thought. It's still a tie though. Randomnessity Well, you won't vanish from my memories.

Come to think of it

The sole reason Terra/Xehanort was evil is because Master Xehanort's heart was possessing him. With MX's heart no longer controlliing him, shouldn't Terra, as Xemnas, have been good? What's up with that? 24.165.55.99 00:29, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, MX's Soul also possessed Terra, and a Soul controls the Body of a Nobody, so...

Tamroc7 01:08, February 19, 2010 (UTC)Tamroc7

Wait so i'm confused. XEMNAS= eraqus+xehanort+terra right? since we found out master eraquas passed his heart onto terra? so he has 3 keyblade weilders body,mind, and soul? but still cant weild the keyblade????

Xemnas and Roxas

Falcon Mrk II - That secret stays with me. TALK - 02:10, January 16, 2010 (UTC) Has anyone noticed in Days, when Roxas goes into a coma, when Saix and Xemnas talk about him in Roxas's room that after Saix leaves(too much backstory!! =P), Xemnas says to Roxas(or himself) "So, you have fallen to sleep yet again..." or something resembling that. Don't you think that that's actually Terra talking about Ventus?

Seems like it, but Terra lost his body before he could see Ven lose his heart, and even after when the new Xehanort met Aqua, the latter nerver mentioned Ven to him. Either Xemnas was able to come to the conclusion of Ven's fate or there is a slight plot hole. --Evnyofdeath 00:54, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Consumed By Darkness

Is it possible that due to the possession of Master Xehanort, and the locking of Xehanort's heart, master Xehanort's personality completely overwhelmed Terra's, essentailly turning what rightfully should have been Terra's nobody into Xehanort's nobody? And shouldn't Eraqus and master Xehanort both be nobodies? after all, both dissoved into the "I lost my heart" sparkles. Dragonraptyr 04:21, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts

Lord Captain Cecil Harvey - No one ever plays with me anymore. TALK - 21:19, January 2, 2010 (UTC) Is it possible to view, but not fight, Xemnas in the original? Sort of like you saw Roxas in II, but you got to fight him in FM?

Desperation attack

What is said for his D.A... is it true? I thought it was "Can you spare a heart?"Lord Captain Cecil Harvey 01:49, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that counts as his Desperation Attack. He does say that during that specific attack where you have an opportunity to play as Riku, but still. His real Desperation Attack, I believe is his Final Attack, where he summons those laser-like projectiles and attacks Sora and Riku with them, where he says "There's no such thing as light". Hyper Zander 11:56, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Powers

When does he uses Roxas's power over light?Innosense 02:02, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 13:24, June 20, 2010 (UTC) Xemnas uses those snowflake-laser things, those are light attacks.

Xemnas in Knight Armor

Sleeping LionHeart - "I'm a little too traumatized to enjoy a scone right now." TALK - 23:15, May 1, 2010 (UTC) "I award you no cookies and may God have mercy on your soul." Does anyone else think that Xemnas' armor(during the final battles in KH2) is reminiscent of Terra's Armor? If so, could I put it in the trivia section?

LapisScarab Embrace... nothing! — 23:19, May 1, 2010 (UTC) To be honest, I don't see any resemblance whatsoever.

Sleeping LionHeart - "I happen to know everything there is to know about maple syrup. I love maple syrup! I love it on pancakes, I love it on pizza! I love to take maple syrup and put a little bit in my hair when I've had a rough week. What do you think holds it up, slick?" TALK - 23:23, May 1, 2010 (UTC) "I award you no cookies and may God have mercy on your soul." Of course you don't. No one ever sees the connections I suggest, bununsa-bonanza, oh well. :p

KrytenKoro - "Space Corp Directive 195—In an emergency power situation, a hologrammatic crew member must lay down his life in order that the living crew members might survive."  "Yes, but Rimmer Directive 271 states just as clearly: 'No chance, you metal bastard.'" TALK - It's certainly a reference to Terra's armor, but it doesn't actually look like it much at all. Xemnas's armor is clearly meant to resemble a king (very visible in the control art), while Terra's armor looks almost like Anubis.

random

just a random thought does anyone know that if you rearrange XEMNAS's name it becomes " MAN SEX "

Everyone's known that for, like, four years now. maggosh 11:10, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I did not know that. That is disgusting.--Auror. plus the great Andrachome 11:26, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura's a sick sick person.Lying Memories 18:46, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

No, actually, the people who came up with that anagram are sick, sick people. Nomura had nothing to do with it. maggosh 18:50, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

I was just joking dude haha chill out.Lying Memories 19:34, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

"Just call me Raxert"

Since we now know that "Xehanort" is actually Terra, albeit infected by Master Xehanort, doesn't that technically mean that Xemnas is composed of Terra's body and soul, and is therefore Terra's Nobody? -- Sorceror Nobody, 16:55, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I personally don't think that it's Terra's body and soul. The body part is kind of feasable (If that's how it's spelt), but Terra's soul, as far as I remember from what I read, was transferred into Terra's Armour which then became the Lingering Sentiment. I suppose he could be Terra's Nobody, but seeing as Master Xehanort was in control of the body at the time his Heartless and Nobody were created, and he was going under the name Xehanort (Or Ansem, as his alias, I expect, would have been at the time of Xemnas' creation), I doubt he is. Hyper Zander 17:05, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

No.1xemnas Talk... — Nice to see you, too, Vexen. Tell me, did you obtain the data on Riku's home? I agree.I think its most unlikely for terra's soul to be xemnas's Somebody. If terra was Xehanort, i doubt he would have chosen the name "ansem" before his nobody, Xemnas, was created.though it wasnt his Nobody.

Imposter?

Even though he does resemble Xemnas quite strongly through his battle stance (Very slightly), his blue Ethereal Blade... things, and the brief attack movements we saw in the trailer, we don't know if it is a Xemnas imposter. Heck, we don't even know if he's even a Org. XIII member. After all, I don't think the Organization even existed at this time, and they aren't the only ones to wear the Black Coats, as even Master Xehanort would wear one at the time (as seen at the start of BbS). Hyper Zander 22:21, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Who is that? The person above me mentions a trailer, but which one? --Evnyofdeath 23:03, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

We talked in other Forums a lot about him, and finally, we think he's the nobody of MX. Zyrax 00:22, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone notice the Unversed symbols on his hand? It's most like (I.M.O.) That Xemnas is Terra's body with MX's memory, so this guy is the opposite, just with the same powers.

It's not Xemnas, but he looks just like xemnas and fights like him. (similar too roxas/Sora/ven) Think about it. He has same fighting style, same weapons but different color, can duplicate himself. The only villians who can ake full copies of themselves are larxene and Xemnas. my theory it's Master Xehanorts unbirth before he became Ansem the SoD.

What fighting style have we seen? And his weapons have a different shape, too.Glorious CHAOS! 02:47, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Keyblade?

Is it just me or.... should Xemnas have a Keyblade, seeing as Terra is his somebody and Xemnas got back all of his memories, as Terra, Xehanort and Master Xehanort. or he can't because he needs to have Terra's Soul, which resides in Lingering Sentiment? Anybody have a good theory?--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 22:42, July 5, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

A talk page isn't a place for you to put theories. It's supposed to be about improving the article. Make a forum if you want theories.LapisLazuliScarab22:46, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, i got confused seeing how im not on this site too much and people are always posting theories on the Talk Pages.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 22:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Fair enough. That's something we're trying to keep in check by moving unnecessary sections to forums.LapisLazuliScarab22:56, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Pjk777 - And remember... You are the one who will open the door... TALK - Got it memorized? TIME - The Oblivion Keeper, PJK777 04:02, September 19, 2010 (UTC) Well, in the Director's Secret Report XIII, it talks about Xemnas being a special nobody like Roxas. Then if you add the fact that he had 3 somebody's that could wield keyblades (Terra, Master Xehanort, and Master Eraqus), isn't it safe to assume Nomura is implying Xemnas is a keyblade wielding nobody? Can we even just make a point about all this in the trivia section?

MasterXIII - Never hurts to have a backup. TALK - So, having a good time hanging out with the kiddies -12:57pm, January 31st, 2011 Since Xemnas is gonna be is Dream Drop Distance, maybe he'll wield a keyblade at some point in that game. Well, I'm hopin', although it's not likely.

weapon confusion

many people get confused between a lightsaber and his weapon in fact i went on google images and typed darth vader vs xennmas and it showed pics on vader vs xennmas but it wasnt a lighsaber it's an ethreal blade thats why riku wasnt disected.{go to my talk page to see many poles}65.32.75.73 22:43, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia Section

Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? In the trivia section, it says: "Strangely enough, immediately before the first battle with Xemnas in his armor, we see Kairi and King Mickey locked outside Kingdom Hearts, but that same battle is one of the only battles where King Mickey can save Sora if he is defeated." I really don't think this bit of trivia belongs on this page. Isn't in more of a trivia for his boss battle and therefore shouldn't it be on his boss page? EDIT: Since no one has anything to say on the matter, I'm going ahead with it.

Appearance V2

First of all, his hairstyle does not resemble Xehanort's more than "Ansem"'s resembles Xehanort's. If you take a look at the two parts of Xemnas' and Ansem's somebody (Terra and Master Xehanort), Xemnas obviously looks more like Terra...His hair is layered like Terra and the hair comes around his face like Terra. Now, I know they are not exactly the same hairstyles, but come on, Xemnas looks much more like Terra than Xehanort. On the other side, Ansem obviously looks more like a young MX (his hairstyle at least...that includes Xehanort's hairstyle which is the EXACT same as Ansem, save the spike on Xehanort's head and the bangs, which obviously are derived from partly from Terra and a young MX) than he does Terra. Both Xemnas' and Ansem's appearance sections should really be changed, or just have the mention of resemblance to other characters removed, unless some one has a good citation. Because, otherwise it's just speculation and biased opinions. I don't want to get in an "edit war" with anyone so I won't change the pages, I just can't see how you can look at Xemnas' hair style and thing Xehanort over Terra. Can someone please weigh in on the subject? Lapidothtill 04:34, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it's too subjective. Honestly I see Xehanort, not Terra. Terra just doesn't have the same bangs. But agreed; too subjective to draw fair comparisons in the articles. [[ Soxra ]] 04:44, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Alright, let's sift through these annoyingly similar characters a point at a time. Apprentice Xehanort and Young MX - They both have the thin bangs frmaing their face, but Young MX has two on each side as opposed to Apprentice Xehanort's one. Young MX onle has the one "shark fin" on the top of his head, and lacks the two side spikes on either side of his head that Apprentice Xehanort has. Ansem and Xehanort - Ansem resembles both Xehanorts (but particularly Apprentice Xehanort) in that he has the three "shark fins", but lacks their bangs. Xemnas and Xehanort - Again, he resembles both of them. He has three bangs on either side of his face, a la Young MX's two. He has three "shark fins" like Apprentice Xehanort. His hair is layered like Terra and Young MX. Saying he looks like Terra or Apprentice Xehanort is pretty much the same thing, since they're literally the same body. Xemnas and Terra - His hair is layered, a trait shared with Young MX. His three-per-side bangs are vaguely reminiscent of Terra's thicker bangs, but are more closely related to Young and MX and Apprentice Xehanort's thinner ones. His hair is wilder, like Terra's. He retains Terra's "shark fin", but also has Apprentice Xehanort's side spikes, which terra did not have. Overall, I'm seeing much more resemblance to Xehanort than Terra.

Lapidothtill - What sound does an Arctic Tern make, Col? TALK - BACKSTREET BOYS? Fair enough, but I still see a Xemnas/Terra correlation rather than Xemnas/Xehanort. Obviously, Xemnas is going to have some traits that resemble Xehanort, but let me clarify why I see what I see. Xehanort, Ansem, and young MX have is sort of slicked back, greaser look. Although, they do have their own differing hair spikes. As well as their long hair that streaks down their backs. Xemnas also has these quasi "shark fins", as does Terra, who has a singular one atop his head. I think we did agree that Xemnas' three shark fins look like Terra's one does, more than Xehanort's hair spikes. Xemnas' hair is also layered like Terra's. This is the real reason I can't see Xehanort. Although, Xemnas does have the thin "bangs" and Terra doesn't. Like you said, his bangs derive more from a young MX. Even if you don't agree with above points, there's still the issue of Ansem. Doesn't Ansem look like Xehanort MORE than Xemnas? Like I said earlier, Ansem's hair is the exact same as Xehanort, save the bangs and the top hair spike. So, I said all that to say this, Ansem and Xemnas both take traits from Xehanort. Who in turn takes his physical attributes from Terra and young MX. Xehanort splits these attributes evenly. My view is Xemnas takes more after Terra, even though, he does take from young MX. Ansem takes more from young MX than he does Terra, although, he also takes from Terra. Finally, if no one agrees with me, keep the sections as they are. Or, we can simply clarify that both take certain and different characteristics from Xehanort, Terra, and Young Master Xehanort, respectively. I think we can all agree about that. (Also, does Young MX have layered hair? Because when I was playing through BBS, I didn't really notice that, but then again I wasn't really looking for it either.)

correction

terra and master xehanort were the two FORMS that made his original persona: this goal stems for one of his original forms, master xehanort and change the section title of coded into Re:coded, thanks.

Heart?

When Sora became a nobody, Roxas kept Ventus' heart. So is there a possibility that Xemnas kept the heart of Terra or Eraqus? LightRoxas 22:20, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

No because you are missing the point.Its because Vens heart was with Soras thats why when he became a heartless is moved on to Roxas.That explains his emotions and why he looks like him.As for Xemnas he has the soul and the body of Terra.But he has no heart.He already said it and even shown he feels no emotion.He has no heart at all.Ok Terras heart and Eraqus heart are somewhere in the darkness.While Ansem has MXs heart.That explains why is wearing the same outfit as MX.MXs heart took over Terras body and soul.So when Terra plunged himself he destroyed his own heart and Eraqus.But Mxs heart still stayed within him.Seen how his heartless looks like MX and acts a whole lot like him.So heres what you get: Terra = His Body Soul and Heart(MX And Eraqus). New Xeahnort = Terras Soul body and MXs heart. Ansem seeker of darkness = MXs Heart gobbled in Darkness Xemnas = Terras Soul and Body Lingering Sentinent = Terras mind and emotions.As Stated by MX Your body is mine but why does your mind resist?Also seeing it has emotions and memories.{{SUBST:User:Lssj4/sig2}} 21:53, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

LightRoxas BOOP! — A Hero has Fallen I can't believe I miss bald jokes That's not the way I understand it, though. The new Xehanort was composed of MX, Terra's, and Eraqus' hearts. And, like Sora, he willingly gave his heart to darkness. So his heart, the ruling heart, the heart of MX, became Ansem SOD. But the body was left behind, and with it, the hearts of Terra and Eraqus and the soul of MX should have been left also. Just like Sora's body was left behind with his soul and Ven's heart.

Lying Memories - Clever little sneak! TALK - Gee... I just don't know. — 03:25, December 25, 2010 (UTC) Lssj4, no offense but I really couldn't understand your point. The sentences were a bit.... jumbled around. Still, I'm not trying to be a douche to you. Just saying. As for the topic itself: No not really. when Terranort succumbed to the darkness and spawned "Ansem"/Xemnas, I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong anyone) that what happened was in that instant, Master Xehanort took full control and thus Ansem is born, the living yet nonliving darkened heart. Xemnas though, is just a bunch of memories coupled with the leftover body and soul, and as such he has no heart. Nobodies have no emotions, save for Axel, Roxas, Namine, and possibly Xion. Terra's heart and Eraqus' heart are, as far as I know, in that limbo state of being. Idk maybe I'm wrong, in which case I hope someone tells me where.

Dream Drop Distance Appearance

I'm really surprised that nobody has added that he is in KH3D's trailer. I would but I don't have an account and don't want one right now. So someone should put that Sora faces Xemnas in Traverse town according to Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance's trailer. Also someone might want to add this to Ansem, Seeker of Darkness's page with Riku instead of Sora, and Xemnas with his Heartless counterpart. Just throwing that out there. 108.9.87.252 22:36, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Source?

We need the source for this line: "A screenshot from the March 22, 2012 issue of Famitsu suggests that Xemnas will serve as a boss for Sora." UxieLover1994 08:59, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Terra-Xehanort

Since it is stated in DDD that Xemnas has a piece of Master Xehanort's heart inside him, that technically means that he is still Terranort, since thay are both Terra's body + Xehanort's heart.

Except Terra-Xehanort contains also Terra's heart, as well, and it does not state that for Xemnas, only for the other members."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 06:12, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually they do state that Xemnas in DDD carries a piece of Xehanort's heart, as he is one of the 13, but your right, Terranort also carries Terra's heart and Eraqus' heart...

Yeah, I think the anon is right - I'm pretty sure Xemnas says he had a heart the entire time. LightRoxas 20:56, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

"Each individual was different, but some of us had hearts being born inside us." is not the same as "All of us had a piece of Xehanort's heart." They do say "All of them...Xehanort?", but since Xemnas would already be Xehanort...yeah."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 03:11, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually it is mentioned that they need 13 Hearts of Darkness and Xemnas is one of them, meaning he has a heart P.S. i do have an account I just forgot the password.

So should we fuse Xemnas and Terranort?

Fusion would be way too far. They are separate characters, and Xemnas is still Xemnas regardless of whether he has a heart currently, has always had a heart, or is completely devoid of any heart. He lacks the hearts of Terra and Eraqus, so he is not Terra-Xehanort, no doubt about it. LightRoxas 19:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Gallery or Forms

In my opinion, the section called Gallery should not be called so. We already have a page named Gallery:Xemnas, so that section on the main Xemnas page is unneeded. What the section actually should be called is Forms, seeing as it shows Xemnas in two different forms. This should go for many other pages as well. - JTD95 11:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Keyblade

Erry - I've got a fever, and the only cure is more dead angels! TALK - You want to touch me?! ~ 18:51, 18 June 2012 (UTC) He probably has one but he prefers not to use it... at least that's what I'm assuming. Plus, you'd need a heart to wield a Keyblade, and with Roxas's situation, he had Ventus's heart. Xion only can wield the Keyblade due to being a replica of Sora.

DDD glitch - has anyone else seen this!?

Ok this is crazy. So I was fighting Xemnas in DDD, and he fell off of the building past the invisible barrier, about a minute passed, then he respawned or something at the top, and fell back down onto the building. Has anyone else ever encountered this bug? 166.137.88.17 22:54, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I think I have, yeah, but it was a long time ago."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 23:58, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Transcription of Princesses' comments before Unknown fight

• Jasmine: "We could suppress the power if it were the darkness. But this is different. It's a force unlike the darkness..."
• Snow White: "There's an ominous presence beyond the gate.
• Alice: "What is this feeling? It's different from the darkness... Be careful, Sora!"
• Cinderella: "Could the appearance of that gate be a bad omen?"
• Aurora: "I sense a presence coming from that gate... But it's not the darkness. It's another power altogether."

If anybody cares. Pink Agaricus (talk) 09:51, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

All-Vanity

is based on Omnia Vanitas, "All is vanity", from Ecclesiastes. Should probably be mentioned somewhere, like etymology."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro)

That's fine.--NinjaSheik 21:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Keyblade Armor

Xemnas uses Keyblade Armor in KH2. Doesn't that confirm that he has the ability to wield a Keyblade? --Elfdemon (talk) 10:41, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Has it ever been called Keyblade Armor? I think it's just regular armor. TheSilentHero 22:47, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

When was it ever said that you need a Keyblade to wear Keyblade Armor? Far as I can tell, it just seems like an accessory. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 04:30, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Was it not Xemnas' Keyblade Armor? Looks exactly like it, so I always assumed that it was. --Elfdemon (talk) 23:45, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

It's not explicitly called Keyblade Armor, so we can't make that claim. It's pretty clear it is, though."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:31, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Source?

What's the source for this information?:
"and retreats into the broken Kingdom Hearts",
"Xemnas's "The World of Nothing", a pocket dimension presided over by a massive, weaponized construct which has absorbed the remainder of The World That Never Was."
--Elfdemon (talk) 07:43, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

"The World of Nothing" is the name of the set of rooms in which the final battle with Xemnas takes place. It's in the game-coding, but only visible by using a room-mod code. That the dragon has abosrbed the rest of TWTNW is based on the visuals of the battle, where the dragon and its base are made of Dark City/TCTNW."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:00, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

What's the source for Xemnas retreating into the broken Kingdom Hearts and what's the source for it being a pocket dimension? --Elfdemon (talk) 22:01, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

"Mickey: Kingdom Hearts... / Riku: Let's go. Xemnas must be inside." Key word being "inside", not "on the other side"."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 00:22, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they were just talking about inside the door, not inside Kingdom Hearts. I've never heard someone say "let's go to the other side of that door", I've only heard people say "let's go inside that door". I guess you can interpret it either way, but I don't quite see how "Let's go. Xemnas must be inside" equals "Xemnas has gone inside his Kingdom Hearts which is inside a pocket dimension." --Elfdemon (talk) 01:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

I've heard "let's go through the door", not "inside" it. The game itself says "The Final Door: Xemnas, the last member of Organization XIII, vanished through

the final door". In addition, when they defeat Xemnas on the other side of the door, they reappear back outside the door, where they started, which wouldn't make a ton of sense if they had simply gone to a different location and would, presumably, not get automatically cast back through the door if it was just a regular physical place -- when Sora went through the door at the end of End of the World, which took him to a different location, and that world collapsed, he ended up in a new place close to the collapsed location, rather than being cast back through the door. The fact that it's called "inside", and that they are expelled after Xemnas is weakened, strongly implies it's an inner world created by Xemnas -- just like TWTNW was in the first place, or what they do in KH3D with the nesting TWTNW dreams.

It makes more sense if it's an inner world, similar to the Dive to the Heart, whose "physical" location is inside the Kingdom Hearts that Xemnas merged with."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 02:34, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Title

Just for posterity, KHUX has made "Superior of the In-Between" the official, complete title. It's no longer just our translation."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

It's been official since Days 1.5 opening... Ultima Spark (talk) 16:11, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh, well then fuck me. LOL."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 17:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Gazing Eye

Well, we finally have a good reason why Terra-Xehanort may have purposefully chosen not to summon his Keyblade, given it has the Gazing Eye on it."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 18:36, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't see how it relates. Like, what does the Master of Masters being able to foresee affect? Xemnas would have no reason to fear him, since he wouldn't even have a reason to assume he's alive. Also, Nomura confirmed on January 12's Famitsu that the Master of Masters won't be in KHIII (or even KHUX season 2. We'll probably only see him again in the next saga, as there's hints KHUX will connect to it somehow unless Nomura wants to make him a perpetual mystery), so I'm not really sure if that being the reason would actually affect the plot in any way.

The most accepted theory I've seen is that Xemnas had to hide he was a Keyblade wielder from the Organization, or else they would question why they needed 13 members and the last one had to be a wielder if Xemnas could simply complete Kingdom Hearts by himself. Anime... PAAWAA!!! 02:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

If Terra was aware of the purpose of the eye, he may have tried to suppress its use -- or maybe Xehanort himself is rebelling against the Master in some ways. However, that's just a theory I've seen making the rounds."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 13:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Xehanort's Soul

It took Ansem and Xemnas being destroyed for Master Xehanort to be re-completed, Xemnas would only be needed for the re-completion if he possessed one of Xehanort's attributes, Ansem had the heart and Xemnas had Terra's body, not Xehanort's, so Xemnas must possess Xehanort's soul. Thus, Xemnas having Xehanort's soul should be on the page I feel. --Vanitas (talk) 19:50, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

I get where you're coming from but adding that would be speculation as it's not confirmed. Souls also isn't really a thing in KH. - Joseph Thorn Dalton ^XCV

Wasn't it said that when a person split the Heart went to the Heartless while the Body and Soul went to the Nobody? --Vanitas (talk) 22:07, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Checked with what the Nobody page on the wiki said and you're right. I guess due to the soul part hardly being mentioned it's easy to forget about. I'm still unsure though of whether we can prove that Xemnas has Xehanort's soul. ~ - Joseph Thorn Dalton ^XCV 22:42, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Well he needs to have a component of Xehanort to be necessary for re-completion, and the only one he could possibly have is his soul. Wouldn't that logic be proof enough? --Vanitas (talk) 22:54, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

In my eyes, logic and speculation are the same thing when it comes to the Kingdom Hearts series. I once tried to use logic in a discussion, back before I was even a user. It didn't go too well. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 06:16, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Same here. It makes sense to me, which means it's probably non-canonical."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 13:25, 15 March 2019 (UTC)