Talk:Kraken

Does the Ultimania actually list this thing as the Kraken? The page is linked to in one of our forums, if someone who reads Japanese can take a look... - Eternal Nothingness XIII 16:00, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

The boss page calls it "Tentacle"."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 16:36, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't think it's safe to assume this is the kraken. Regardless of this being "KH-canon," it doesn't make sense for the kraken to be alive at this point in the Pirates timeline, to which KH seems to be staying faithful despite skipping Dead Man's Chest. At most, we can say the kraken is a design influence, but these are just random tentacles used for boss attacks. To say they belong to the kraken is presumptuous and inaccurate. I am firmly against calling this the kraken, using the term in our articles, or even using it for the name of an article. This page should be moved to "Tentacle," as per the Ultimania, and our moves of "Sulley" to "James P. Sullivan," "Randall" to "Randall Boggs," etc. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 16:41, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree. It's still possible this is supposed to be the Kraken, but it hasn't been called that, so we shouldn't name the page that. Though I think we should call it "Tentacles", plural, because there's more than one tentacle. TheSilentHero 17:30, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

TSH, can you post scans of the pages describing The Caribbean, Tentacles/Davy Jones, Luxord, Wheel of Fate, and the Flying Dutchman?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 17:51, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm with TSH. Rename this page "Tentacles." That said, we should also remove "Kraken" from the character section of the Caribbean page. For the image, we should use the "render" provided in the Ultimania. I've seen it in scans, but I can't seem to find it at the moment... - Eternal Nothingness XIII 17:59, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I can, but I don't have time for that today. The enemy page doesn't use a render for the Kraken, but a close-up screenshot. Same for some of the characters, like Tia Dalma, Gibbs, and Beckett by the way. TheSilentHero 18:48, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I meant more that I wanted to peruse them to determine how it talks about the Kraken."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 19:17, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the screenshot, then, we can just extract the image of the tentacles. But that's another discussion. Let's focus on settling this darn "kraken name usage" thing. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 19:19, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Davy Jones's mini-bio in the Ultimania does call it the Kraken (クラーケン), so it should stay where it is. Maybe use "tentacles" for a boss suite or something? Ultima Spark (talk) 19:40, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

It's gonna take some time, but I'm not sure that profile actually makes it clear it's talking about the boss fight."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

My point exactly. Aside from the term's appearance, unless the Ultimania specifically says "Jones unleashes the Kraken upon Sora and his friends," or something of that nature, it is WRONG to use the term to refer to what appears in KHIII. Only tentacles are seen, and it is unclear whether they belong to the kraken or are just energy. Both the Pirates bios and "Tentacles" boss page should be translated, for safety. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 22:35, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Here are pictures of the pages related to the Kraken. I think the Kraken is only mentioned in the bio, referring to the events of the second movie, like how the Kraken is mentioned in the game. In which case, we should consider the Kraken a mentioned character and the boss as a separate entity. But maybe there's something on the other pages. TheSilentHero 13:12, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

My money is on what you said: the Kraken is a referenced character for context, NOT the boss. Until and unless we are able to confirm otherwise (the Ultimania pages in question should be translated ASAP), I do not think we should be using the term to address what we fight in KHIII. To say they are the same would be wrong. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 13:49, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the pages TSH provided me do not explicitly call the Tentacles part of the Kraken. There may be a vague reference (Kraken's description is "giant sea monster" in character sections, Tentacles could be referred to as such?), but I haven't found it yet. To be clear, I haven't seen anything that specifies what the Tentacles are. I'm also waiting to see if there are pages that go over the events in the world from an episode PoV (showing gameplay and story for that section) or not."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 16:28, 20 March 2019 (UTC)