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::Bringing this topic back up. We have a full name explicitly given, with Leon as a nickname or alias rather than being something quite like "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness", where the only people calling him Xehanort's Heartless are doing that to dehumanize him. If the journals weren't so insistent about his real name being Squall Leonhart, maybe it would be more considerate to use his common name, but...they are insistent.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:21, 17 September 2013 (UTC) | ::Bringing this topic back up. We have a full name explicitly given, with Leon as a nickname or alias rather than being something quite like "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness", where the only people calling him Xehanort's Heartless are doing that to dehumanize him. If the journals weren't so insistent about his real name being Squall Leonhart, maybe it would be more considerate to use his common name, but...they are insistent.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:21, 17 September 2013 (UTC) | ||
I'm ok either leaving it like this or moving to "Squall Leonhart", but considering how we'll still be linking in articles to "Leon", wouldn't it make sense to leave it? --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 22:35, 17 September 2013 (UTC) | I'm ok either leaving it like this or moving to "Squall Leonhart", but considering how we'll still be linking in articles to "Leon", wouldn't it make sense to leave it? --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 22:35, 17 September 2013 (UTC) | ||
The credits roll for ''Kingdom Hearts Final Mix'' from ''Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX'' credit his voice actor's character as "Squall(Leon)" (yes, no space between 'l' and '(').—[[User:Kaimi|Kaimi]] ([[User talk:Kaimi|talk]]) 22:01, 13 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
::I'd like it to be consistent, yeah. I vote for Squall "Leon" Leonhart or just Squall Leonhart.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::We can name the article Squall Leonhart, and just add "Squall "Leon" Leonhart in the introduction. :) Lots of wikias do it, and I support the idea of doing it.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:28, 14 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
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{{CA|time=21:28, July 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=How would you know if they weren't planning on making another? Just because they didn't already announce a third KH doesn't mean they could be planning to put Rinoa in the KHIII and that certainly does not mean that HAD to put her in BBS}} | {{CA|time=21:28, July 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=How would you know if they weren't planning on making another? Just because they didn't already announce a third KH doesn't mean they could be planning to put Rinoa in the KHIII and that certainly does not mean that HAD to put her in BBS}} | ||
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Due to the move, we ''need'' to make note of how he later chose to be known as "Leon." Otherwise, it makes no sense to randomly call him "Leon" throughout the article but make absolutely no mention as to why in the opening paragraph. Honestly, why are the non-''KH'' names taking precedence here? - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 00:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
::Well, actually, it's already mentioned in the opening paragraph, as well as under the Story section detailing his events during ''BBS'' and ''KH''.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:46, 22 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
::It should say so in the opening sentence, though. As in, "'''Squall Leonhart''', later known as '''Leon'''…" - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 04:11, 22 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::The first sentence identifies what the topic is, then the paragraph gives brief context. That bit fits the standard. As far as making sure the reader is aware, "Leon" is bolded, and is in only the second sentence. The reader's not gonna miss it.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:28, 22 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::Odd, because I did… Oh well. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 06:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Move to Leon == | |||
I propose the page be moved to [[Leon]]. It is how he is called both by the characters (with him being called Squall only once, at the very start of the first game). It is also how the games call him, through journal entries, medals and museum cards. Squall Lenohart is only mentioned in passing as his "full/real name". Even on the wiki, the name is only used in reference to his original FF8 self, and for the page titles themselves. Templates use Leon, which means that, in some places, pipelinks are needed. - [[User:Zawza46|Zawza46]] ([[User talk:Zawza46|talk]]) - 15:37, 06 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I disagree. Although his journal entries are called Leon, almost all of them mention his real name. Since our policy is to use a character's real, full name, as it appears in KH, I see no reason to make an exception here. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
::With respect to wiki policy, I agree with TSH. | |||
::The last time this was discussed here, it ended on this note from KrytenKoro: "''We have a full name explicitly given, with Leon as a nickname or alias[...] If the journals weren't so insistent about his real name being Squall Leonhart, maybe it would be more considerate to use his common name, but...they are insistent.''" I don't think the situation has changed much since then. Given that the current precedent is to use the full official name as it appears in the series, even if it isn't the most common title (such as [[James P. Sullivan]], [[Eugene Fitzherbert]], and [[Turbo]]), and given that we have journals as recent as KHUX and KHIII repeatedly saying that Squall Leonhart is the "real name" and "full name," the current title makes the most sense within our rules. | |||
::'''However''', you bring up a good point with navbox templates: I agree that navigation is easier when everything that redirects to the current page is also bolded in the navbox. This isn't exclusive to characters – for instance, Fira and Firaga aren't bolded on the Magic navbox when on the [[Fire]] page, and "Rage Awakened -The Origin-" isn't bolded on the Music navbox when on the "[[Rage Awakened]]" page – so if we wanted to make this change it would require us to bite the bullet with piped links regardless (but I guess that's really a separate discussion.) —<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:110%>[[User:Aid1043|<span style="color:#9932CC">Aid</span>]][[User talk:Aid1043|<span style="color:#9932CC">1043</span>]]</span> 01:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Shouldn't this be named as he is in game? We're not writing about the Final Fantasy character, we're writing to match the Kingdom Hearts info. Scottch 02:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with Scotty-boy on this one. Names should be as proposed in the KH-game, not as the original Final Fantasy. --Hecko X 10:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Grammar[edit]
Edited for bad grammar and sentence fragments.
Cleaning Up[edit]
Man! This article was in such a mess that I have to clean it up. I've also added some information from the KH Ultimania. The only section that I haven't touch on yet is the KH2 section. Will get that done a.s.a.p. -DivineLady 10:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
....About 60% of all articles in this wiki is messed up, think that the previous version is a mess? check the earliest version before Netherith came helping in! ): -Nelo
- I have seen the previous version. And although Netherith's version helped a lot, there were still some spelling and grammar mistakes. Not to mention that the articles have to also be written in a "Wikified" manner for others to understand (this coming from a Wikipedia contributor). So that's why I cleaned it up, mostly... -DivineLady 11:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Right. I suppose I should have put something up to tell you people that I had not finished editing yet but what's done is done. To this end I will be bringing some things you people deleted back up. DO NOT DELETE THEM. If you want you can help to fill the sections out. Don't worry, I will keep what you guys have added, I do not own this page after-all.
For those of you who don't know me and are concerned about me handling of this page check the Squall Leonhart page in the FFWiki. I was a major contributor to the layout and addition of information to that page as well as other such as SeeD, Gunblades and Paine.
Netherith 11:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. Now I finally know why you guy(gals) hated Wikipedia(-pedians) so much-Nelo
- What was deleted that you intend to "bring back up"? --Hecko X 12:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Well I'm so sorry about that! if you want to bring back some of the deleted data you have added in, I'll look into the History section for that. I've only cleaned up mainly the KH1, COM and KH2 sections. But what else do you actually need to put in the article? "Battle style"? "Abilities"? -DivineLady 12:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
wowowow, Before more wiki-wikipedia wars, I'd like to say something, instead of focusing on arguing Leon's page, why don't we expand other articles as well? like Tifa, who's info is painfully lacking. I trust Netherith would do a good job on Leon's page so why don't we just drop it? ---Nelo
- No one is waging any wars; it's better to fully settle one article, otherwise we won't be able to fully focus on whatever other article we start on; we don't just drop it, because then we would never come to a conclusion. Simple, ne? ^_^ --Hecko X 12:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Age[edit]
Do we know how old Leon is?
gohanRULEZ 18:46, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
- He's 25 in Kingdom Hearts, according to the KH official website as well as the Ultimania. 118.138.198.67 11:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
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His gunblade has ALWAYS had a chain on it. --72.160.100.81 02:31, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
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Name[edit]
Dunno if this is notable, but... I was just boredly reading through the KH1 manual, and in the credits section, it refers to "Squall (Leon)". Between that and the journal entries, I'm thinking maybe the article should be renamed after all... But either way, should the manual bit be mentioned in the Trivia? Dazuro 21:44, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
- KHII journal specifically says his real name is "Squall Leonhart". In my mind, the page should be moved to "Squall Leonhart" or "Squall "Leon" Leonhart".Glorious CHAOS! 04:02, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
The Cloud article isn't titled "Cloud Strife", instead it is "Cloud", and that's how he addressed in Kingdom Hearts. Squall is addressed as "Leon" and I believe that the article should be "Leon".
- Bringing this topic back up. We have a full name explicitly given, with Leon as a nickname or alias rather than being something quite like "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness", where the only people calling him Xehanort's Heartless are doing that to dehumanize him. If the journals weren't so insistent about his real name being Squall Leonhart, maybe it would be more considerate to use his common name, but...they are insistent."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 03:21, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm ok either leaving it like this or moving to "Squall Leonhart", but considering how we'll still be linking in articles to "Leon", wouldn't it make sense to leave it? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 22:35, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
The credits roll for Kingdom Hearts Final Mix from Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX credit his voice actor's character as "Squall(Leon)" (yes, no space between 'l' and '(').—Kaimi (talk) 22:01, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
- I'd like it to be consistent, yeah. I vote for Squall "Leon" Leonhart or just Squall Leonhart."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 04:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Rinoa[edit]
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I hope they show Rinoa in future KH games. More Final Fantasy characters are awesome. Kutlessrocker23 02:32, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
Cyrus, they had never planned on making another Kingdom Hearts, so they wouldn't have put a nod to another FF character. And they have done it with BbS. In the end credits, Zack watches a black feather (obviously Sephiroth) float down in front of him. Then he disappeared. --Jacobmirror 16:02, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
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Opening Paragraph[edit]
Due to the move, we need to make note of how he later chose to be known as "Leon." Otherwise, it makes no sense to randomly call him "Leon" throughout the article but make absolutely no mention as to why in the opening paragraph. Honestly, why are the non-KH names taking precedence here? - Eternal Nothingness XIII 00:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Well, actually, it's already mentioned in the opening paragraph, as well as under the Story section detailing his events during BBS and KH.--NinjaSheik 03:46, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- It should say so in the opening sentence, though. As in, "Squall Leonhart, later known as Leon…" - Eternal Nothingness XIII 04:11, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- The first sentence identifies what the topic is, then the paragraph gives brief context. That bit fits the standard. As far as making sure the reader is aware, "Leon" is bolded, and is in only the second sentence. The reader's not gonna miss it."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 05:28, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Odd, because I did… Oh well. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 06:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- The first sentence identifies what the topic is, then the paragraph gives brief context. That bit fits the standard. As far as making sure the reader is aware, "Leon" is bolded, and is in only the second sentence. The reader's not gonna miss it."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 05:28, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Move to Leon[edit]
I propose the page be moved to Leon. It is how he is called both by the characters (with him being called Squall only once, at the very start of the first game). It is also how the games call him, through journal entries, medals and museum cards. Squall Lenohart is only mentioned in passing as his "full/real name". Even on the wiki, the name is only used in reference to his original FF8 self, and for the page titles themselves. Templates use Leon, which means that, in some places, pipelinks are needed. - Zawza46 (talk) - 15:37, 06 January 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree. Although his journal entries are called Leon, almost all of them mention his real name. Since our policy is to use a character's real, full name, as it appears in KH, I see no reason to make an exception here. TheSilentHero 17:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- With respect to wiki policy, I agree with TSH.
- The last time this was discussed here, it ended on this note from KrytenKoro: "We have a full name explicitly given, with Leon as a nickname or alias[...] If the journals weren't so insistent about his real name being Squall Leonhart, maybe it would be more considerate to use his common name, but...they are insistent." I don't think the situation has changed much since then. Given that the current precedent is to use the full official name as it appears in the series, even if it isn't the most common title (such as James P. Sullivan, Eugene Fitzherbert, and Turbo), and given that we have journals as recent as KHUX and KHIII repeatedly saying that Squall Leonhart is the "real name" and "full name," the current title makes the most sense within our rules.
- However, you bring up a good point with navbox templates: I agree that navigation is easier when everything that redirects to the current page is also bolded in the navbox. This isn't exclusive to characters – for instance, Fira and Firaga aren't bolded on the Magic navbox when on the Fire page, and "Rage Awakened -The Origin-" isn't bolded on the Music navbox when on the "Rage Awakened" page – so if we wanted to make this change it would require us to bite the bullet with piped links regardless (but I guess that's really a separate discussion.) —Aid1043 01:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)