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==Feeling Lucky==
==Todo summary==
Okay, I still don't know how this works exactly. So I'm collecting evidence here:
When dealt with, delete, do not archive.
 
There seem to be at least two forms of the stat upgrade.
 
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5258/luckboost.png
 
I don't know if the one with the notes is a lesser one or just a different form.
 
This are the comments on other Avatars I got:
*That outfit! Ugh, don't make eye contact...
*Err, can you say "akward"?
*Hopefully a friendship is in the cards.
*But...which one of you is cooler?
*You hate to admit it, but that outfit's the bomb!
 
*Have you met before? You're pretty happy!
*You have alot in common. You're pretty happy!
*You sort of think alike. You're pretty happy!
*Seems you two get along. You're pretty happy!
 
The last ones all contain the "You're pretty happy!" line. My theory is, that after you get a specific amount of this comments in a to be determined time frame, you get a stat boost. The stat boost itself seems to last for a defined playtime or is dependent from real time. I think it's the last, because the boost vanished after two days or so. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 11:01, 28 February 2011 (EST)
 
Okay, this is probably totally coincidence, but:
 
I was farming the fifty special avatars to finish my Avatar Sector, and when I received a Sazh, who had none of the same parts I did, I got the 100 Acre Wood card. Immediately afterward, I had the notes, and each Scratch Card I got afterward had a Mickey or Captain Dark (I already have all 99 puppies). After a few, I got a virus, kept on farming without notes or special cards, then cleared the virus real quick and went back to farming, this time with notes but no special cards. A while later, I got an ILuvDarkness avatar, and got the hearts. I ''immediately'' got a Dive to the Heart card, my first "special card" ever, and though I lost it, I kept the hearts, and every scratch card after that had 1-2 special cards (none were empty). However, I accidentally quit out of Tag Mode while receiving a random avatar, and I went to delete it to make sure I had room for all fifty special avatars. However, after doing so I found I had lost the hearts.
 
So, this is totally a guess, but:
*The notes and hearts appear to have nothing to do with which parts you and the other guy are wearing.
*The type of card you get appears to be Luck-based.
*Either failing to scratch or deleting a floor (not sure which) negates the notes and hearts.
 
{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 10:12, 8 March 2011 (EST)
 
That's very confusing. Maybe it's an overall luck based thing, but why does deleting (even if it's not the Avatar you got the notes/hearts from) resets it?
Did you check your matrix stats in notes or heart form? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 12:57, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:With notes, Luck remains the same, but I didn't have hearts long enough to check that.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:30, 8 March 2011 (EST)
 
 
Okay, here is some information from the Ultimania:
The Avatar can gain happiness (ハッピ一度) in the game, the minimum is zero and the limit 100. Once it reaches 50-79 the notes show up, from 80-100 it's the hearts. Various events can change the happiness:
 
{|class="wikitable" width="50%"
|- bgcolor="#3A3A3A"
|width="30%" style="text-align:center"|'''Condition'''
|width="70%" style="text-align:center"|'''Outcome'''
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|Receive a letter||Happiness increases +1 for every part both avatar uses
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|Over time||Happiness decreases -3 every hour (this includes the time the NDS is not even on too)
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|A virus appears||Temporarily to zero (after getting rid of viruses it's back to the original)
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|If a floor is deleted from the Avatar Sector||Happiness is set to zero.
|}
 
The only thing Happiness affects is a higher chance to get a rare scratch card and if it's beween 80-100 the doubling of the luck stat (which it's colored in green then or yellow if the max luck 28 is reached). The quotes from the Avatars above just reflect how many parts you share with the other Avatar.
 
There is not much to say about the viruses though, the chance that they occur rises with the number of letters you open. To get rid of them just start a floor or delete the infected one? I don't get the Japanese expalantion:<br>
ウイルスへの感染確率は左下のとおりで、メールを多く開封するほど確率が上がる。ウイルスを駆除するには、アバターシステムエリアのいずれかのフロアを開始し、フロア内のバグエネミーを全滅させればいい。
 
The formula is: basic probability + number of opened letters * 0.5%<br>
The basic probability can be 0% or 1%, I don't get the Japanese explanation this time either:
 
メールの送り主であるフレンドがほかのプレイヤ<br>
ーの場合は0%(そのフレンドがウイルス感染中だ<br>
った場合は1%)、そうで芯い場合は1%
 
How Happiness affects the probability to get a a rare scratch card and the appearance of a special character (Puppy, Mickey, Captain Dark):
 
{|class="wikitable" width="50%"
|- bgcolor="#3A3A3A"
|style="text-align:center"|'''Happiness'''
|style="text-align:center"|'''Special Char'''
|style="text-align:center"|'''100 Acre Card'''
|style="text-align:center"|'''Ice Cream Card'''
|style="text-align:center"|'''Villians Card'''
|style="text-align:center"|'''Princess Card'''
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|0-49||8%||0.4%||0.3%||0.2%||0.1%
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|50-79||20%||2.4%||1.8%||1.2%||0.6%
|- bgcolor="#E6E6FA"
|80-100||40%||9.6%||7.2%||4.8%||2.4%
|}
 
--[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 20:28, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
:Huh, we weren't that far off.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:27, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
 
::"The virus-infection probabilities are to the left; the probability goes up the more letters you open. To exterminate the virus, you just need to begin any floor in the Avatar Sector, and destroy the Bug Baddies."
:"When the sender of the mail is another player, the probability is 0% (though if the friend is already infected with a virus, it is 1%), and the basic probability is 1%."
 
So, there is no chance of infection if you get a balloon letter from another gamecart that has no infection, but if you get a unique/random balloon letter or a friend letter from an infectee, the chance is 1%.
 
:I'm going to write up a draft to add this to the page; could you get transparent rips of the noted and hearted statuses, using the default outfits? If you need to make a mocked-up image of it, that should be fine at this point.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:59, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
 
===Draft===
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|
<div class="tabber" style="float:right;">
<div class="tabbertab" title="Comments" style="float:right; background-color:white">
{|border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 style="text-align:center; font-size:10px" align="center" width=525px
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px"|Comments
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px"|Parts Shared
|-
|''That outfit! Ugh, don't make eye contact...''||?
|-
|''Err, can you say "awkward"?''||?
|-
|''Hopefully a friendship is in the cards.''||?
|-
|''But...which one of you is cooler?''||?
|-
|''You hate to admit it, but that outfit's the bomb!''||?
|-
|''Have you met before? You're pretty happy!''||?
|-
|''You have alot in common. You're pretty happy!''||?
|-
|''You sort of think alike. You're pretty happy!''||?
|-
|''Seems you two get along. You're pretty happy!''||?
|-
|}
</div><div class="tabbertab" title="Happiness Points" style="float: right; background-color:white">
{|border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 style="text-align:center; font-size:10px" align="center" width=525px
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px"|Condition
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px"|Points
|-
|Receive a Balloon Letter||+1 per shared part
|-
|Clock advances||-3 per hour
|-
|Delete floor from Avatar Sector||Reduced to 0
|-
|Get infected with a virus||Reduced to 0 while infected
|}
</div><div class="tabbertab" title="Happiness Effects" style="float: right; background-color:white">
{|border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 style="text-align:center; font-size:10px" align="center" width=525px
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px"|Happiness
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px"|Special icons
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px"|100 Acre Card
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px"|Ice Cream Card
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px"|Villains Card
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px"|Princess Card
|-
|http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5258/luckboost.png<br>'''0-49'''||8%||0.4%||0.3%||0.2%||0.1%
|-
|http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5258/luckboost.png<br>'''50-79'''||20%||2.4%||1.8%||1.2%||0.6%
|-
|http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5258/luckboost.png<br>'''80-100'''||40%||9.6%||7.2%||4.8%||2.4%
|}
</div></div>
|}
 
*Re:clock - does resetting your clock assauge this at all?
*Does n_letters ever reset or max out? Or will all letters infect you if you get 200 of them?
*Happiness effects would work best using an image of the default avatar (the mascot for Mobile, using all of the "Saisho" parts), with the three levels (nothing, notes, hearts).
*What section should this go in? Should it get its own section, since it operates across both Avatar Menu and regular gameplay?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:10, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
 
''Introduction to Happiness Points, will write later, include nihongo''. Raising your avatar's happiness increases the chances for Balloon Letters to include special icons or even rare Scratch Cards, and when it is 80 points or above, Data-Sora's [[Luck (stat)|Luck]] is also doubled, allowing it to be raised to its maximum of 28.
 
''Possibly move to virus page?''
However, opening more Balloon Letters also increases the chances that the next Balloon Letter will infect your Avatar Sector with a virus. ''Link to virus explanation here''. The probability of a letter carrying an infection is
 
<math>P=P_0+n_l\times0.5%</math>
 
Where <math>P_0</math> is the base probability the letter is infected (1% for letters from special avatars, random avatars, or infected friends; 0% for letters from uninfected friends), and <math>n_l</math> is the number of letters that have already been opened.
 
== Ultimania columns ==
 
Okay, from personal experience, I believe the way that Genre works is that, when you get a random part (either from an avatar where you already have all their parts, or a scratch card), you usually get them in a certain order. I know that I got all of the BbS and Form parts together, the Keyblades together, and all of the Mobile/coded bodysuits last (in chapter order, as well). Once I had every piece, it just kept giving me random parts of Ansem and Large Body.
 
So, I would roughly guess that it draws from the parts in the genre you are currently in, then moves on to the next genre. Once you have them all, it stays in the genre you finished in. (So, any random parts I would get would be C parts). I'm sure the intro to the section explains the exact mechanic, and I can work on a rough translation if you guys desire, but that seems to basically be it.
 
Anyway: Given that, despite this, the parts you get are out of your control, and the system is essentially "just go through the Avatar Sector for slightly less than 800 floors", is it at all worth listing the genres? Sure, it's a hidden stat within the games, and we have the info, but it's about as important as the stat that determines the exact sound that Sora's shoes make on the ground: sure, it's ''there'', but you can't change it in any way, it doesn't change how you play the game in any way, and there's no point in looking it up (actually, even less than that. It's possible you could somehow try to moderate your walking for echo-y floors to hear enemies spawning better. I can't see how it would really help you, but still, you could use it ''somehow'').
 
The other column lists which parts not in that category the piece replaces—so, if a starter kit replaced a shirt or pants, for example. For Items, it also lists which hand the piece appears in. This ''is'' actually useful, but it's also pretty self-evident from the pictures, and anybody actually playing the game can see it clearly as the replaceable pieces blinking when you highlight the part in question. So, this is actually practical in the game, and it could be used for info, but there's no point in looking it up. Also, it would use up quite a bit of space, especially for the Bodysuits.
 
Finally, the Ensembles: Each Ensemble listing lists the parts used to make the ensemble. As Ensembles are not true parts, knowing what these are IS the only way to get new Ensembles.


Now, I would definitely like to put these in. However, it would be quite a bit of work, and we'd have to figure out how to put it in. Furthermore, the nature of the Avatar Menu means that ''even this'' has no real use in gameplay: you get parts when you get them. There is absolutely no way to get them faster, unless they belong to a specific avatar on a specific floor.
*Confirm number of parts matched for each "Avatar comment".
*Confirm whether manipulating your clock affects the -3/hr penalty.
*Confirm whether n_l resets or maxes out.
*p326: Note about getting letters from the same friend and ensemble. Should probably translate.
*Translate p329 Card prizes - Commands and all go on their pages; make general list explanation here.
*Translate p335 section based on Prize Blox - list on relevant command pages, not here.
*Explain floor code specifications within the section; most of it will link to the actual system sector page.
*Add short explanation of "Genre" and "Parts replaced" to Avatar Parts section.
*Add column listing all parts used in each ensemble.
*Add to Data-Riku's boss page that the bugged version is LV99 - source p326.


So: my personal view is that it would be worth putting in the "Ensemble parts" lists, but not the "Genre" and "Parts replaced" lists. What do you guys think?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 10:04, 15 March 2011 (EDT)
:It has been over two fucking weeks since I posted this.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 10:06, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:People will probably see this and say "tl;dr", either that or it's just that they don't know much to help. Honestly, I can't understand what you're trying to say. If you had given an "Overall, we... *blah, blah, blah*." or a conclusion, because overall not many people know Kanji or Katakana except for the few we have on the wiki. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:07, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:<blockquote>''So: my personal view is that it would be worth putting in the "Ensemble parts" lists, but not the "Genre" and "Parts replaced" lists. What do you guys think?''</blockquote>
{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:55, 1 April 2011 (EDT)


::Makes sense, I say. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 16:32, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
I'll work on the translations. Shard, can you please test the 3hr penalty and n_l questions (for n_l, you should be getting viruses every time once you have 200 letters total, which you have; if not, then estimate how often you get viruses, I assume about 50%). DTN, I need you to tell me exactly how far you've gotten with the Avatar comment thing. It should realistically take two hours to complete, so if you don't have that time, you need to tell one of us. This article '''''<big>WILL NOT MISS THE DEADLINE AGAIN</big>'''''.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:58, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh look, I look like a douche. Still, people don't know what exactly you're talking about, i.e. the Ultimania columns. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 16:59, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Resummarize: We have translated the Ultimania's Avatar Parts table, except for three columns. These three columns are:
*Genre
*Parts replaced
*Ensemble parts
 
I believe that "Genre" and "Parts replaced" are pretty useless, but that "Ensemble parts" should be listed.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:42, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
 
:"Parts replaced" should get a blurb in the paragraph, though.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 21:19, 2 April 2011 (EDT)


== Avatar Parts last copyedit ==
== Avatar Parts last copyedit ==
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Piasu: Studs and Piercings and Earrings of that sort are just called "Piasu" in nihongo (there doesn't appear to be a dedicated word for "stud", and all variants I can find use piasu). However, we translate "Ability Piasu" as Ability Earring, not the dub's "Ability Stud". Can we let Stud slide here, and on the Ability Stud page?
Piasu: Studs and Piercings and Earrings of that sort are just called "Piasu" in nihongo (there doesn't appear to be a dedicated word for "stud", and all variants I can find use piasu). However, we translate "Ability Piasu" as Ability Earring, not the dub's "Ability Stud". Can we let Stud slide here, and on the Ability Stud page?


Boa-dzuke: Based on image searches, I feel pretty confident that lined could be reasonable. However, there are no direct translations on the web, and the closest I could come to an accurate translation would be "[[wikipedia:feather boa|Boa]]d Boots".
Boa-dzuke: Based on image searches, I feel pretty confident that lined could be reasonable. However, there are no direct translations on the web, and the closest I could come to an accurate translation would be "{{w|feather boa|Boa}}d Boots".


Finally: the comments with Goofy D's Mouth and Luxord's Goatee. Does the Ultimania have the wrong order, according to the game, or do we?
Finally: the comments with Goofy D's Mouth and Luxord's Goatee. Does the Ultimania have the wrong order, according to the game, or do we?


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I can't help much with the translation, but the order of Goofy D's Mouth and Luxord's Goatee is indeed wrong, I messed up. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 17:48, 12 April 2011 (EDT)
I can't help much with the translation, but the order of Goofy D's Mouth and Luxord's Goatee is indeed wrong, I messed up. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 17:48, 12 April 2011 (EDT)


==Default parts==
{{neumannz|time=01:56, 18 April 2011 (EDT)|text=My response is as follows:
I'm thinking of listing all the parts you start with - most of them seem to be unrandom, though I'll need somebody to compare their starting list to mine when I get them listed.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:17, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
 
:I assume that all the starting parts always complete an essemble, but restarting the game until the Avatar Menu pops up always results in "Sora (Master Form)" for me. Possible some other factors determine the starting essemble like the date, the name or how long the game was played before entering Avatar Mode the first time. On my original playthrough "Seifer" was my first avatar. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 17:48, 12 April 2011 (EDT)
#RE: の — All things considered, it makes sense to do it like that.
::I start off with Dissidia Cloud and Warrior of Light, and as far as I can tell, I get basic parts and random FF parts. I'll post a list tonight, if I can get my computer reformatted in time.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:06, 12 April 2011 (EDT)
#RE: Wanpisu — I'm gonna point out that I hate this one. Its translation is basically "dress", but it gets there via "one-piece". ''(Argh.)'' Maybe we should just go with "dress" and leave it alone.
#RE: Uwagi — Yeah, I think that's fine.
#RE: Hige — I'm quite not so hot on letting this one go. I know I find it weird when I come across "''hige''" being translated annoyingly, or "beard" and "mustache" being wanked around in translation (See [http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Whitebeard <span style="background:white">Whitebeard</span>])
#RE: Boushi — Not sure. As far as I can tell, "cap" is a specific type of hat. I guess I could go either way (I notice, by the way, you didn't put a lit. for Donald's Cap), but if "''boushi''" is as general as I think it is, do we let the translation be fluid, or  do we just say it's "hat"...?
#RE: Piasu — Hate this one, too, for basically the same reason as for #2. Same issue applies, plus the issue from #5. I'm alright with translating it as "earring", but again, I don't know how fluid we should be.
#RE: Boa-dzuke — Important question: What is "boa" in this case? If it is like the {{w|Feather boa|<span style="background:white">scarf</span>}}, maybe we should just have it as "boa'd boots" (yes, the apostrophe is important) and leave it as that. Include the wikipedia link, maybe?
#RE: Numbering order — SOLVED
 
One concern of my own: I would actually like someone to check up on the names of Tidus's parts, both A and B. Specifically which ones are A and B. There are inconsistencies I found that I want to be sure of.}}
 
*Although dictionaries define "Wanpi" simply as dress, it specifically refers to dresses of a certain length; the closest analog I could find in English is the sundress (again, I am by no means experience with female clothes).
*I'm good with your take on uwagi and hige.
*"Boushi" is kind of a bigger hat, while "bou" is a smaller hat, from what I've seen. (Donald was a mistake, we can fix it).
*So, are you good with translating "Piasu" as both Earring and Stud (since they are both translated as piasu?)? Here ''and'' on Ability Stud?
*As far as I can tell, yes, it is a feather boa. The thing is that those boots are simply lined boats, from what I saw on google. I agree that I'd be more comfortable calling them boa'd boots, though.
{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:27, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
 
== Floor Code table ==
出現するルームの候補 (List of appearing rooms)
ルームの数 (Number of rooms)
バグルームの数 (Number of Bug rooms)
特殊なブロック配置のルームの数 - トラップ (Number of Special Block Arrangement Rooms - Trap)
特殊なブロック配置のルームの数 - プライズ (Number of Special Block Arrangement Rooms - Prize)
バグエネミーの種類 (Type of Bug Enemy)
ゴールドトリコローマの出現確率 (Gold Tricholoma Appearance Probability)
エリミネーターの出現確率 (Eliminator Appearance Probability)
 
黄 - Yellow - 高速化 Hasted
 
青 - Blue - 透明化 Vanished
 
赤 - Red - 凶暴化 Berserked
 
 
ルームのNo.と形の対応はP.215~217を、ゴールドトリコローマやエリミネーターの詳細な出現条件はP.198を参照
 
 
Room types - p 191?
 
== Scratch Card rewards ==
 
Is there any system to what commands you might get from Scratch Cards, or are they basically random?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 22:16, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 
== Boss costumes ==


My starting parts: Always the same for this file, seems determined at start of file creation.
I can't remember, are these rewarded for finishing chapters as in coded/Mobile? Or are they fully random, as the article claims?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:49, 2 May 2018 (UTC)


*All Bods, Lips, Peepers
== Avatar Parts Genres ==
;Hair
*Cowlick A: Brown
*Cowlick B: Brown
*Cowlick A: Black
*Cowlick A: Silver
*Cowlick A: Gold
*Cowlick B: Black
*Cowlick B: Silver
*Cowlick B: Gold
*Bookworm: Gold**
*Cloud C's Hair**
;Features
*Cid's Toothpick**
;Scars, Etc.
*Setzer's Scars**
;Coats
*FF6 Terra's Cloak**
;Starter Kits
*Firion Starter Kit**
*Cloud C Starter Kit**
;Tops
*Typical Top
*Vivi's Coat Combo**
;Bottoms
*Basic Bottoms
*Tifa's Skort Combo**
;Shoes
*Starter Shoes
*Lightning's Boots**
*Cloud's Boots**
;Hats
*Vanitas's Mask*
;Face & Neck
*Aerith A's Choker**
*Cloud C's Studs**
;Mitts
*Organization Gloves**
*Cloud C's Gloves**
;Rear Gear
*Devil's Wings**
;Belts
*Checkered Sash**
;Items
*Warrior of Light's Sword**
;Buddies
*Lion Buddy**
;Bodysuits
*Moogle*
;Ensembles
*Cloud C**


*(*) Definitely random
From what I can tell, it appears that rather than matching specific parts to increase happiness, there's a genre associated with most avatar parts, with the exception of Bods, Lips, and Peepers. Just about everything else has a specific genre which the Ultimania assigns a letter value to. It appears that the boost is 1 point for each part equipped that is from the same genre, plus it also appears that you get 1 additional point no matter what. What isn't completely clear is where you get 1 point for each one part you match to your friend, or whether it's a cumulative effect (i.e. if all your parts are from 1 genre, do you get a boost even if the other avatar doesn't match at all?; If the other Avatar has 3 parts of a genre you have 1 of, is that 1 point for one pair of parts matched, 3 for having 3 parts match a genre of the other avatar, or 4 for total number of matching parts?). At any rate, there only appear to be 6 genres in total. --[[User:JeruTz|JeruTz]] ([[User talk:JeruTz|talk]]) 17:42, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
*(**)Probably random

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  • Confirm number of parts matched for each "Avatar comment".
  • Confirm whether manipulating your clock affects the -3/hr penalty.
  • Confirm whether n_l resets or maxes out.
  • p326: Note about getting letters from the same friend and ensemble. Should probably translate.
  • Translate p329 Card prizes - Commands and all go on their pages; make general list explanation here.
  • Translate p335 section based on Prize Blox - list on relevant command pages, not here.
  • Explain floor code specifications within the section; most of it will link to the actual system sector page.
  • Add short explanation of "Genre" and "Parts replaced" to Avatar Parts section.
  • Add column listing all parts used in each ensemble.
  • Add to Data-Riku's boss page that the bugged version is LV99 - source p326.


I'll work on the translations. Shard, can you please test the 3hr penalty and n_l questions (for n_l, you should be getting viruses every time once you have 200 letters total, which you have; if not, then estimate how often you get viruses, I assume about 50%). DTN, I need you to tell me exactly how far you've gotten with the Avatar comment thing. It should realistically take two hours to complete, so if you don't have that time, you need to tell one of us. This article WILL NOT MISS THE DEADLINE AGAIN."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:58, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

Avatar Parts last copyedit[edit]

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I'm going to go ahead and say that I didn't confirm the nihongo for each one with the Ultimania, but the ones I did were right (except Sora B at the beginning). Still, they can't be that far off, since they are all legible.

I relaxed the literalization of "の" to be treated as an adjectival form for some cases (basically, whenever the dub used it that way). I hope that's acceptable, since it removes a lot of mostly useless "lit" sections.

Wanpi/su: translate as "Sundress" (best english translation I could come up with based on knowledge of clothing terms), or allow give and take for whatever type of dress the dub thinks it's using? Or translate phonetically as One-piece in all cases?

Same thing with "Uwagi", though that has a much more acceptable translation as the generic "Top".

Facial Hair: Japanese really doesn't separate the various types, so it just feels pedantic to me to use "lit" when the only problem is that there isn't an exact Japanese word for that type of facial hair. I'd like to remove the lit tags for those listed below, where applicable (possibly not Eraqus).

Boushi: In some cases, Kyappu or Hatto is used for Cap and Hat, and "Bou" is usually translated as Cap. Thus, I'm fine with modifying the lit for the W Mushroom and Seifer, but also fine with leaving it how it is.

Piasu: Studs and Piercings and Earrings of that sort are just called "Piasu" in nihongo (there doesn't appear to be a dedicated word for "stud", and all variants I can find use piasu). However, we translate "Ability Piasu" as Ability Earring, not the dub's "Ability Stud". Can we let Stud slide here, and on the Ability Stud page?

Boa-dzuke: Based on image searches, I feel pretty confident that lined could be reasonable. However, there are no direct translations on the web, and the closest I could come to an accurate translation would be "Boad Boots".

Finally: the comments with Goofy D's Mouth and Luxord's Goatee. Does the Ultimania have the wrong order, according to the game, or do we?

No. Part Name
7 Features-7-Santa Beard.png Santa Beard (サンタ服（パンツ）のヒゲ
Santa-fuku (Pantsu) no Hige?, lit. "Santa-suit (Pants)'s Facial Hair)
10 Features-10-Goofy D's Mouth.png Goofy D's Mouth (グーフィーDのクチ
Gūfī D no Kuchi?)
11 Features-11-Luxord's Goatee.png Luxord's Goatee (ルクソードのヒゲ
Rukusōdo no Hige?, lit. "Luxord's Facial Hair")
13 Features-13-Eraqus's Soul Patch + Stache.png Eraqus's Soul Patch + Stache (エラクゥスのヒゲ
Erakwusu no Hige?, lit. "Eraqus's Facial Hair")
14 Features-14-Sazh's Goatee.png Sazh's Goatee (サッズのヒゲ
Sazzu no Hige?, lit. "Sazh's Facial Hair")
3 Scars, Etc-3-Rai's Scruff.png Rai's Scruff (ライのヒゲ
Rai no Hige?, lit. "Rai's Facial Hair")
5 Scars, Etc-5-Snooty Stache.png Snooty Stache (アートなヒゲ
Āto na Hige?, lit. "Artsy Facial Hair")
7 Hats-7-White Mushroom's Cap.png White Mushroom's Cap (Wマッシュルームの帽子
W Masshurūmu no Boushi?, lit. "W Mushroom's Hat")
21 Hats-21-Seifer's Skullcap.png Seifer's Skullcap (サイファーの帽子
Saifā no Boushi?, lit. "Seifer's Hat")
3 Face & Neck-3-Wakka's Studs.png Wakka's Studs (ワッカのピアス
Wakka no Piasu?, lit. "Wakka's Earrings")
44 Face & Neck-44-Cloud C's Studs.png Cloud C's Studs (クラウドCのピアス
Kuraudo C no Piasu?, lit. "Cloud C's Earrings")
24 Shoes-24-Lined Boots.png Lined Boots (ボア付きブーツ
Boa-dzuke Būtsu?)

"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:37, 4 April 2011 (EDT) I can't help much with the translation, but the order of Goofy D's Mouth and Luxord's Goatee is indeed wrong, I messed up. --ShardofTruth 17:48, 12 April 2011 (EDT)


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Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...!
TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time.
— 01:56, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
 
My response is as follows:
  1. RE: の — All things considered, it makes sense to do it like that.
  2. RE: Wanpisu — I'm gonna point out that I hate this one. Its translation is basically "dress", but it gets there via "one-piece". (Argh.) Maybe we should just go with "dress" and leave it alone.
  3. RE: Uwagi — Yeah, I think that's fine.
  4. RE: Hige — I'm quite not so hot on letting this one go. I know I find it weird when I come across "hige" being translated annoyingly, or "beard" and "mustache" being wanked around in translation (See Whitebeard)
  5. RE: Boushi — Not sure. As far as I can tell, "cap" is a specific type of hat. I guess I could go either way (I notice, by the way, you didn't put a lit. for Donald's Cap), but if "boushi" is as general as I think it is, do we let the translation be fluid, or do we just say it's "hat"...?
  6. RE: Piasu — Hate this one, too, for basically the same reason as for #2. Same issue applies, plus the issue from #5. I'm alright with translating it as "earring", but again, I don't know how fluid we should be.
  7. RE: Boa-dzuke — Important question: What is "boa" in this case? If it is like the Feather boa, maybe we should just have it as "boa'd boots" (yes, the apostrophe is important) and leave it as that. Include the wikipedia link, maybe?
  8. RE: Numbering order — SOLVED

One concern of my own: I would actually like someone to check up on the names of Tidus's parts, both A and B. Specifically which ones are A and B. There are inconsistencies I found that I want to be sure of.

  • Although dictionaries define "Wanpi" simply as dress, it specifically refers to dresses of a certain length; the closest analog I could find in English is the sundress (again, I am by no means experience with female clothes).
  • I'm good with your take on uwagi and hige.
  • "Boushi" is kind of a bigger hat, while "bou" is a smaller hat, from what I've seen. (Donald was a mistake, we can fix it).
  • So, are you good with translating "Piasu" as both Earring and Stud (since they are both translated as piasu?)? Here and on Ability Stud?
  • As far as I can tell, yes, it is a feather boa. The thing is that those boots are simply lined boats, from what I saw on google. I agree that I'd be more comfortable calling them boa'd boots, though.

"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 02:27, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Floor Code table[edit]

出現するルームの候補 (List of appearing rooms) ルームの数 (Number of rooms) バグルームの数 (Number of Bug rooms) 特殊なブロック配置のルームの数 - トラップ (Number of Special Block Arrangement Rooms - Trap) 特殊なブロック配置のルームの数 - プライズ (Number of Special Block Arrangement Rooms - Prize) バグエネミーの種類 (Type of Bug Enemy) ゴールドトリコローマの出現確率 (Gold Tricholoma Appearance Probability) エリミネーターの出現確率 (Eliminator Appearance Probability)

黄 - Yellow - 高速化 Hasted

青 - Blue - 透明化 Vanished

赤 - Red - 凶暴化 Berserked


ルームのNo.と形の対応はP.215~217を、ゴールドトリコローマやエリミネーターの詳細な出現条件はP.198を参照


Room types - p 191?

Scratch Card rewards[edit]

Is there any system to what commands you might get from Scratch Cards, or are they basically random? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 22:16, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Boss costumes[edit]

I can't remember, are these rewarded for finishing chapters as in coded/Mobile? Or are they fully random, as the article claims?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:49, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Avatar Parts Genres[edit]

From what I can tell, it appears that rather than matching specific parts to increase happiness, there's a genre associated with most avatar parts, with the exception of Bods, Lips, and Peepers. Just about everything else has a specific genre which the Ultimania assigns a letter value to. It appears that the boost is 1 point for each part equipped that is from the same genre, plus it also appears that you get 1 additional point no matter what. What isn't completely clear is where you get 1 point for each one part you match to your friend, or whether it's a cumulative effect (i.e. if all your parts are from 1 genre, do you get a boost even if the other avatar doesn't match at all?; If the other Avatar has 3 parts of a genre you have 1 of, is that 1 point for one pair of parts matched, 3 for having 3 parts match a genre of the other avatar, or 4 for total number of matching parts?). At any rate, there only appear to be 6 genres in total. --JeruTz (talk) 17:42, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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