Talk:Seven Guardians of Light

Yen Sid?

Should we include Yen Sid on the "other members" list? While not explicitly named as essentially being one (like Donald and Goofy) nor appearing as a party member (like Roxas or Xion), he does appear before the final showdown to offer support, and is the one helping these folks all organize. LightRoxas 20:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I think we should only include the chess pieces, but I'm not sure who all is included there."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Lea/Roxas, Kairi/Xion

Watching that scene, I'm not really seeing how it would be taking their roles as part of the seven. It feels a lot more like "hey, you guys were fighting Saix, but let us finish the battle"."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 03:54, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Ultimania states that the final lineup of Guardians replaces Lea and Kairi with Roxas and Terra. Xion was a "temporary" member. Pink Agaricus (talk) 03:59, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay...but that's dumb as hell. Nomura didn't give us any reason for there to be a lineup by that point."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 12:45, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

He evidently really wanted all of the main player characters in the lineup and it matches up with the chess pieces. *shrug* Pink Agaricus (talk) 18:44, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Main/other members

The game presents us with the Seven Guardians of Light in the cutscene proceeding Ventus’ rescue. Yen Sid remarks that Donald and Goofy acts as kind of two additional guardians. But they are not considered to be part of the seven. Nor are Terra, Roxas, Xion, and Riku Replica. Do we even have any sources that properly confirm any of these to be considered guardians at all? And if they are considered to be guardians by extension, they still aren’t a part of the core seven. So why remove the main and other categories from the page? - JTD95 (talk) 21:14, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand what the issue is, but the only other people who explicitly take a spot among the seven are Xion and Roxas, after Lea is defeated and Kairi is kidnapped. Neither Terra nor the Riku Replica are ever explicitly named guardians. Why are all these others listed here again? KeybladeSpyMaster 21:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

The Ultimania explicitly states that Terra is one of them, taking Kairi's "spot". Likewise, it states that Roxas takes Lea's "spot", and the game itself says that Xion takes Kairi's spot at one point. As they are treated as full members of the "seven", they should not be relegated to a side list just because they weren't there when the battle started.

If I'm remembering correctly, Donald and Goofy are presented as part of the Guardians when the Guardians show up to stop Kingdom Hearts. Riku Replica can definitely be removed.

Essentially, the game and Ultimania do not make the division the page was making.

As for why I made the edit in the first place, the coding was breaking the page, and precedent instructs us to avoid tabbing galleries without clear purpose (like showing Keyblade evolution or FM enemy coloration). It's not meant to just be a page shortener -- collapsible tables should be used for that."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:37, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I know there’s no point in arguing against the ultimania but in what way does Terra take Kairi’s spot? He’s not a party member. Also, doesn’t Kairi in a way forfill her role as a guardian by being the final key Xehanort needs? And also, how exactly does the ultimania present this information? By saying that Terra takes Kairi’s spot they’re basically saying he’s a reserve member and not part of the core seven prested within the fame, right? - JTD95 (talk) 21:42, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

The guardians do not have reserve members. That's not a concept in the canon - that's something the Organization does, and is antithetical to how Sora views his friends. The lead image should absolutely include all stated members.

I'd have to look it up, but I remember kh infoblock being fucking pissed about how it disrespects Xion. They probably have much more in-depth coverage of the topic."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:45, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

The Ultimania has the official Guardians line-up as follows (with a note saying Xion "temporarily participated") (text translation):

• Sora
• Riku
• Mickey
• Aqua
• Ventus
• Lea > Terra
• Kairi > Roxas

Ultima Spark (talk) 21:47, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

So based on this should Donald and Goofy be removed? - JTD95 (talk) 21:55, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm fine with that, yeah."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 18:28, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

The in-game scenes, journal and ultimania all say that Xion acted a a guardian (albeit temporarily according to ultimania), so she should at least be an "Other member" in the same vein as the Replicanorts on the Real XIII page. --Vanitas (talk) 10:55, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

She should be fully listed."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 13:03, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Why is Xion not fully listed?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 18:39, 15 July 2019 (UTC)