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OPERATION: KEYCHAIN
I. THE GREATER WIKI	II. CONTENT	III. VIDEO	IV. COMMUNITY
V. SITE MAINTENANCE AND ADMINISTRATION	VI. AFFILIATIONS	VII. SOCIAL MEDIA	VIII. WIKI ALLIANCE FOR RESPONSIBLE EDITING (WAFRE)
Operation: Keychain - OneDrive		Operation: Keychain - Google Drive

The Kingdom Hearts Wiki, The Keyhole, and the Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki are both apart of a larger organization currently known as "The Greater Wiki". That is, they serve as components of this larger wiki. In the past, this "Greater Wiki" has never been truly acknowledged, but it is under Operation: Keychain. The three wikis work as a part of one “larger” wiki to document the many aspects of the Kingdom Hearts series.

THE GREATER WIKI

The content here applies to the entire Greater Wiki as an entity, as well as things that can be done on all three wikis.

Nature

1. What is the nature of the three wikis (khwiki.com, kingdomhearts.wikia.com, and kingdomheartsfanon.wikia.com)?
   1. Promote the aims and goals of each community
   2. The three wikis work as a part of one “larger” wiki to document the many aspects of the Kingdom Hearts series.

Name

1. We need a name for “the greater wiki” and, if we use the Kingdom Hearts Wiki for the greater wiki, we need a name for the site at khwiki.com.

How can we unify and better our relationship?

1. Expand About pages on all three wikis to cover the history of each wiki.
2. Inter-wiki recognition/linking/advertising
3. Encourage cross editing
4. More joint projects/events, like the Magazine, Podcast, User Trivia, etc.

Expansion

1. Kingdom Hearts Answers
2. Kingdom Hearts Wiki (French, Spanish, German)
3. More than just wikis?

Community

1. Actively engage/promote the communities (How?)

Kingdom Hearts Wiki

Nature

1. The Kingdom Hearts Wiki is the Greater Wiki's professional, encyclopedic wiki on the Kingdom Hearts games and merchandise.

How can we unify and better our relationship?

1. Advertise projects from The Keyhole at the Kingdom Hearts Wiki
2. More joint projects/events, like the Magazine, Podcast, User Trivia, etc.

The Keyhole

Nature

1. Identify The Keyhole's purpose

How can we unify and better our relationship?

1. Advertise projects from The Keyhole at the Kingdom Hearts Wiki
2. More joint projects/events, like the Magazine, Podcast, User Trivia, etc.
3. Increase cross-editing between the Kingdom Hearts Wiki and The Keyhole.

Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki

Nature

1. The Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki is the Greater Wiki's site for hosting/promoting/documenting Kingdom Hearts fanon, including fanfictions, art, etc.

How can we unify and better our relationship?

1. Advertise the Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki
2. Join Projects

Discussion

Purpose of The Keyhole

BEFORE YOU DISCUSS: Due to the nature of the discussion during today's Roundtable, there are a couple things I, KeybladeSpyMaster, need to warn you of.

1. Seriously, anyone starts coming off as a jerk, rude, etc., and will result in an immediate Warning. It's really not necessary. This is a wiki. We really don't need to be rude, because at the end, it's a website. None of us are making a living off of it to be so darn angry. This applies to me, too. If you guys think I need to go, I'll go take a break for a day. But we don't need the rudeness. It gets us no where.
2. Ultimately, we can't expect the most perfect idea where no one suffers. One wiki will have to most likely suffer something. It's the nature of the discussion. What we are looking for is a solution that will allow for us to grow together with the least amount of suffering and problems for either wiki.
3. We're open to all ideas, seriously. Throw your best shot, we'll consider it.

KeybladeSpyMaster - This is not happening. It can't be happening. It can't. TALK - There are some fights that are destined to be lost... - 07:52 PM Fri, January 2, 2015 MST Guys, I need to take the moment to apologize for what happened at the Roundtable this afternoon. I couldn't have imagined that this issue would suffer so much backlash and problems. It was not my intention to cause such anger and tension. The sole issue of The Keyhole's purpose took a whole hour and a half, and we didn't get anywhere because of the tension. For that, I apologize. I brought this issue up, so I take the blame. I only hope we can have a more decent and swift discussion here so that we can solve the issue and move on to the purpose of Operation: Keychain, which is to strengthen, unify, and grow the community and wikis. Having said, that, go, discuss!

I don't think you made anyone, mad, I surely don't think anyone was mad either. Anyways, I say Keyhole social, and KHWiki serious stuff. Any objections? — 02:56, 3 January 2015 (UTC) RikutheBloody

Eternal Nothingness XIII The fun is in not knowing, isn't it? What is the point of betting on something if you already know the outcome? — 03:28, 3 January 2015 (UTC) I'm still in agreement with your suggestion from earlier, KSM. I'm all in favor of what RikutheBloody said, too. The idea of the Keyhole being a "nice place where we can all go and hang out after working on KHWiki.com all day" has great appeal to me.

MateusinhoEX - King of Beasts sighted!— 15:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC) Well, as I stated yesterday, I also agree with the idea of The Keyhole focusing on social things. Like it was said, we were trying to find a purpose for the Keyhole. If both us and them would have exactly the same content, there would not be any reason to not merge both. Then, something must be different. Since it's very clear that here at the KHWiki we focus on making all articles the most canon, detailed, professional and reliable as possible, and that in The Keyhole there are much more social content (which has started appearing here just now), that should be their purpose. As ENX stated, we are like Ventus and Vanitas. Two different parts of the same thing. But it's very important to note that I agree with Xion4ever that NONE content must be split. Spliting content making people jump from one wiki to the other is not the way. Instead, one will just have more of one thing than the other. For example, a Game namespace page. Here on the wiki we will have one detailed strategy on how to beat Xehanort, let's say. In the talk page, we will discuss about the content in the page, wrong information, missing information and things like that. But if someone wants to ask "Hey, do you have a strategy for beating him in level 1?", the place for that kind of discussion would be on The Keyhole. At the same time, an article about Sora in The Keyhole wouldn't be blank with a link to the wiki. It would just not NEED to have the information in the same detailed way as the KHWiki has. The pages on the Keyhole don't need to have all those data, stats, templates and infobox we have here. Just the most important info. The KHWiki would also have the links (or even copies in a Community namespace, maybe) of all the pages related to social things, such as Podcast, Magazine, Mirage Arena, which would be hosted at The Keyhole.

Pea14733 Listen up, Phones. The world ends with you. If you want to enjoy life, expand your world. You gotta push your horizons out as far as they'll go — 15:58, 3 January 2015 (UTC) Why are we deciding the Keyhole's fate with just us?

TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 16:04, 3 January 2015 (UTC) I have an idea that I'll share. It involves the KHWiki, The Keyhole, the Fanon Wiki, and the KH Answers Wiki (which no one has brought up yet). In this vision, "The Greater Wiki" is more or less an organisation of Wikis related to KH with each having a separate purpose so our visitors come in and pick the Wiki that best suits what they're looking for at the time. Each Wiki will have their own niche in The Greater Wiki and each Wiki will link to each other so traffic is cross-directed. The KHWiki would be the encyclopedia or information Wiki. Essentially, it will continue to run as it does now, aiming to cover every aspect of the Kingdom Hearts franchise (manga, songs and all) in the most professional manner possible. Everything will be based on official material. Content will not be split or shunted, as some people worried about that yesterday. The Keyhole would be the discussion or community Wiki. I use "community" here because in the past, we've been using words like the "fandom" or "fan-friendly" wiki but that's given it the wrong impression which isn't fair. The Keyhole would still have content in its mainspace, but it will be of a lower detail and its purpose would be to encourage discussion. For example, most stats/technical/gameplay information is to be omitted, meaning that items/commands/abilities would be covered in lists, unless they are staples of the series that hold a lot of meaning to the fans (e.g. Fire and the magic spells). I'd like strategy sections and walkthroughs to be heavily emphasised there, since they are opinion-based instead of factual, meaning that it has the potential to start a lot more discussion. The Keyhole are able to go past the "official cage" that the KHWiki is stuck in and go beyond the series. Their Heartless page has an "In Fandom" section discussing Cosplay, which I found rather interesting. If they can expand to talk about all details pertaining to that of the KH community (aka KH fans), they'd have a lot of conversation topics to make articles out of (e.g. Dead Fantasy, KH and creepypastas, real life people, prominent theories perhaps etc.), all of which contribute to the Keyhole's purpose of discussion and conversation. In short, their mainspace will not be redundant, useless or seen as "inferior". Then, outside of editing, they'd also have forums, community events and the like. The fanon wiki would be for fanon (surprise, surprise). That includes fanfics, fanart etc. They pretty much go about business as they do now. The KH Answers Wiki is for Q&A, a help desk essentially. It's mostly dead but it still gets about an edit a day so it's not a lost cause. I remember from affiliating with them that they only have one admin left and he is on the verge of inactivity, so I don't think they'd mind joining The Greater Wiki. If we give the wiki a new coat of paint, set a few formats/standards, and keep on eye on it, I think it will serve as some use to people. There's also the language wikis that we need to consider (French, German, Spanish). How do they fit into the Greater Wiki? And that's the end of my plan. @Pea: The Keyholians are welcome to participate in discussion here. We are simply sharing our thoughts and ideas.

Let me tell you guys a story… Once upon a time there was this database, about a video game series called Kingdom Hearts, that existed through a group known as “Wikia.” The website started off very slowly with only a small group of editors actively working the site, establishing rules, articles- all kinds of things. Apologies to any of our friends both here/there/at the FFWiki in case I missed some, which I'm sure I did… These editors worked hard and the site's popularity grew, increasing both the encyclopedia's content and userbase. These users started editing, each contributing to the Wikia in their own way. And so the Wiki grew, with each year bringing more users and information. The encyclopedia thrived. However, it also had its own share of problems. Despite all the challenges and problems they faced, the encyclopedia continued to expand on all accounts. Being a Wikia, users come and go; policies change according to the current consensus; and new features are introduced and accepted or refused. The Wikia had been used to change- it is a part of life- but there was one change that was the “straw that broke the camel's back.” And so we went through this process known as “the split”, and not long after, “the merge.” Here's some of the forums you guys can read if you want to get some ideas about the split and merge: 1, 2, 3, 4. If any of this strikes your interest, check out the old forum archives. I think we've about had it with the history lesson. ^_^; I reference our history to the best of my knowledge as a means of catch-up for you guys- a lot of you don't know about “the old place.” I reference our about page in that if we disapprove of what it says then we should rewrite it, which I think is posted as a point in Operation: Keychain anyways. Before I continue…a disclaimer! I do not know everything. I don't recall ever saying that I did and I never will. Nor do I have a solution to everything. My intentions are not meant to cause ill-will or to hurt someone's feelings. I like all you guys and gals, our “partners in crime”/colleagues, that make this place, “the Greater KH Wiki,” no matter where we are: the Keyhole, khwiki.com, the KH Fanon Wiki, and anywhere else we have people editing, the best damn source for KH information. Yes, even our anons and users-that-create-accounts-but-don't-edit-or-say-anything- for they're helping out as well! That said, if I overstep my boundaries as a person, an editor, and especially as a staff member, I'll accept whatever repercussions/punishments I deserve. Straight up. Oh, and everyone deserves to speak on this freely and openly- without threat of being run over by others or to have the fear of not being heard. Speak. Discuss. Let us know what you think. We're not mind readers or professional charade players- spell it out for us. The day we stop letting people at least voice their ideas and opinions is the day we should lock this place up and just leave. Also, if anyone was expecting this to be solved in a day- no, even a week- I'm sorry, but it will take time just to get everyone to comment on the idea. ^_^; I want this Operation to move along just as much as you guys, but we can't rush it or make hasty decisions just because we're impatient/want to move on/are tired of it/whatever the reason may be. We have to think this through completely and thoroughly. Again, I don't promise to have the solution or answers to everything, but I know this much: When you take away something- be it a little bit, a majority, or especially in its entirety- from something/someone, that's not cool/good. I mean shoot, what would you say is the Keyhole's biggest strength? If you asked me, I'd say their community. If you asked me that question for khwiki.com I would say our articles. Without a doubt. Hands down. First response. And look where that's gotten both sites? Having one site social and one site business isn't a good idea, in my book. Khwiki.com desires more community [social], while the Keyhole desires more content [business]. It's almost funny how we're chasing after things the other has. Splitting content- even the novels/manga/other things that were discussed at the Roundtable- isn't going to solve this problem. Using lists as a means of providing information isn't necessarily good either. Is that not what we're currently using now? Now, I'll be quite honest here, guys. We can list hundred of solutions and means of actions, but if the problem (in this case, the purpose) isn't clearly stated/agreed upon it's not going to do us any good. I think we've jumped into this too quickly and without the appropriate research. I ask everyone to ask themselves this: What do I want the Keyhole to be? On an old forum it came to our attention that the initial decision to have the Wikia become a fansite was rejected due to some users. Instead, said users decided to continue having the Wikia remain a KH encyclopedia. I'm assuming now that what was said on the forum no longer reflects what the current [active] users of the Keyhole would say. Right or wrong, Keyhole people? So, I asked some people at the Keyhole the question I asked you guys: “What do you want the Keyhole to be?” The results have been summarized below. Notice: Usernames have been removed in order to “protect” the individuals. Should the individuals feel like identifying themselves on here, they may do so by their own choosing. Also, if anyone starts bashing any users for their comments below, punishment will swiftly follow. We can talk and even debate against one another without getting nasty. User 1 [17:57] Yano, I was thinking about that question when you answered it. [17:57] And, sadly, I couldnt really think of an answer [17:58] What I know is that what I love about the Keyhole is its community [17:58] We're small, but I never feel short for conversation or fun [17:58] What I miss about the Keyhole is the lack of editing opportunites. [17:59] The only thing we really have to do is make lists. I dont really like doing that, so I dont edit much. [17:59] I want to retain our community, but open us up to more editing opportunities, without robbing opportunities for KHWiki. [18:00] That's kind of my thoughts on the matter User 2 [13:35] I know this won't be very helpful, but I find it difficult to answer that. I mean, I've put some hard work into things on that wiki, so for it to be demoted to being a 'social site' completely eradicates that hard work. [13:36] I know what I don't want it to be, but there being two wikis makes it difficult for me to say what I "want" it to be. Personally, I'm happy with the two wikis, and the way they work, as they are. Our collaborations have been great, and I don't see the need to change anything. [13:45] Yes, increased traffic would be great, and I'd wholly support something involving that heh... [13:45] <Xion4ever> So, you see/want the Keyhole to be what it is? What exactly is that? What purpose do you see the Keyhole having? [13:47] I feel at home there. The atmosphere is relaxed; I get along with everyone, yet at the same time, I'm able to help out with articles and other things... When I used to search for KH info, it'd be The Keyhole that I went to, and now that I edit there, I still use it. [13:47] Purpose... hmmmm... [13:47] It's a wiki. ^^ [13:47] Wikis are to provide information [13:47] <Xion4ever> So you see it being a Wiki just like khwiki.com, over at wikia? [13:48] Yes, a fan-oriented wiki with properly-written articles and a homely atmosphere. User 3 [19:20] well since [User] has gotten "out of the wiki work" for some time...[User] kinda wants it to be a social place at the very most... [19:21] with more traffic (maybe...but we can't control that) [19:22] <Xion4ever> So, you think just a social site then? [19:22] with the info "majority/minor" still there [19:23] however [User] doens't think [User] is the best person for this question as [User] has changed from KH stuff to anime for the most part sorry >_> [19:23] just honestly saying [19:24] <Xion4ever> I completely understand. I wasn't necessarily looking for anything, but wanted to see what the users at the Keyhole had to say on that question. [19:24] kk [19:24] <Xion4ever> Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. ^_^ [19:25] [User] would hope to go back before the entire merge so that [User] could do something, but now, [User] is kinda ok with the entire social aspects of the entire Keyhole [19:25] kk...thx [19:25] <Xion4ever> We're still figuring this out. Nothing has been decided yet. User 4 [18:11] I would love it to become the best Kingdom Hearts site known to the internet. But that's unlikely, [18:12] so I'll settle for something greater then what we currently have [18:13] <Xion4ever> Are you saying it cannot become the best KH site because of khwiki.com or the split/merge? [18:14] not what I'm saying [18:15] I'm saying that sites like KH13 and KHInsider out do us, and people always seem to run to them. So, that's all I've gathered from a few users at the Keyhole...As for what I think. Truth be told, I don't know how much say we have in telling the Keyhole what they can/cannot be. However, after reading Kryten's comments on this forum...I think the merge/split went to the garbage heap so quickly because no one said what purpose THEY thought the place should have. We had supposedly agreed on a fansite with the new address [khwiki.net -> khwiki.com] being the encyclopedia, people would come here for the details and go there for some fan events/KH news/other things as talked about in the forums. Now look where we are four years later, disagreeing over what the purpose actually is. I think we should reconsider that forum again. As for the foreign language Wiki's, they operate on their own regards. We are affiliates, but we have no power/domain over there. As for the KH Answers Wiki: sounds fine to me. Thanks guys. I'm sorry for this massive eye-sore of text. If anyone wants to speak to me about this privately or whatever, my talkpage and the IRC are always open. One final thing, I believe someone can be recognized on all of our sites as just a “Kingdom Hearts Wiki” user. One point where we went wrong was acting as if a person couldn't/shouldn't. However, the individual makes the solution/correction for that. We can all say “Xion4ever is a member of the Keyhole and KHWiki.com,” but if I think/say I'm only a member of khwiki.com, that doesn't do anything. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who joins any of our sites is a KHWiki member; even the anons who grammar errors or problems; even users that only create accounts but never talk. We're all in this together. Xion4ever Promise... — 02:22, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

TheFifteenthMember I like white. I find it goes well with yellow, but only if you want it to. — TheFifteenthMember 17:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC) As far as I can tell, this is the general atmosphere we're getting. The KHWiki want more community and social life, but aren't willing to compromise their mainspace. And the Keyhole want more mainspace content and editing, but don't want to miss out on their community/social life. In other words, both wikis want to be a perfect, complete, whole Wiki with maximum proficiency in all regions. But then, no one would be satisfied with imperfection, so who wouldn't want that for their wiki? The purpose of the Keyhole? From the forums I've read, it seems that the split happened to make the KHWiki the "real" wiki with all the same editors and all the same business, while the Keyhole was simply some attempt to make use of its existence- the URL that couldn't be removed. Obviously, this is the present day, things change, and those views are dated, so what can the Keyhole be? If it's an encyclopedia, it competes with the KHWiki and neither wiki wants that. If it's a fansite, it must compromise on its mainspace and as stated above, that's not satisfactory. If it's some amalgamation or somewhere in-between, it is limited because it is trapped at the middle of the scale, never excelling completely in either direction. "Wikis are to provide information". And what information could the Keyhole provide that the KHWiki doesn't already? If we're covering the same scope of content, it's utterly redundant, confuses readers, splits google results and diverges traffic. We cannot have the same purpose, we cannot have the same goals. If we're both aiming for the same things, then we are two groups of people, building the same structure when there's only need for one, and the structure would be finished much quicker if the two groups worked at the same construction site. We may as well re-merge. But that's not an option because a) it would wipe out five years Keyholian work and b) I don't even know how technically possible that is. Okay, so then the key is we need to be building different structures so that both of them are still useful? Let's look down that avenue; how can the Keyhole offer information different to the KHWiki? Real life info? Fandom details? But then, is it good enough to have the purpose "to offer information that the KHWiki doesn't already have"? The Keyhole will be stunted because it's refused the information the KHWiki contains and the KHWiki will be stunted because it could've simply lifted its scope to become more expansive then ever. Fine, let's try a different approach. We have both sites covering their different focal points of content, it's the same community in two different places, cross-editing is at large. But then, it's cumbersome with the fact that every time I make a change to my user page, user goodies, templates etc. I need to go and make the correlating change at the other wiki too. Every time I want to tune into the other half, I need to go and travel the distance. We have two different places that each have their own desirable traits. While we'd be okay with walking across the road all the time, visitors and traffic most likely won't be. Why have separate branches when you can have one joint premise? Anyway, it's still splitting traffic, google hits, visitors, and editors, which is most likely why activity remains low. And I'm all out of solutions. Now, I'm going to sit back and let someone else think of one because I definitely can't. Also, do the Keyholians know about this page? We really need their input here.

Pea14733 Listen up, Phones. The world ends with you. If you want to enjoy life, expand your world. You gotta push your horizons out as far as they'll go — 12:07, 4 January 2015 (UTC) How about we stop the unification process and just go on with only us? I mean, according to what Keyholians say, they like what it is now, even though they can't define it. We cannot change anything about it. We can't change others, we can only change ourselves.

A few of the Keyhole users know about this discussion. I know I've talked to a few. Aixon has made a forum over there. Messages have been placed on talkpages. I believe most of the active users over there are aware of this. The whole reason Operation: Keychain exists is to create unification/closure between not just khwiki.com and the Keyhole, but to also pick up our other sister sites- KHFanon Wiki was one we directly named, KH Answers wiki has just been named. Something, which I will define in a moment, happened during the split that some users-Kryten definitely did on that last forum I posted- desperately warned us about/fought against it, but for whatever reason we still managed to let it happen. What happened is that we started talking as if we were different users just because of the site(s) we edit. But that's not the case! Yes, we might edit on different URLs and sites that have different purposes, but we are still the same community! It's kind of like all of the students in a school or a university/college. Sure, everyone is different ages/grades/majors, but everyone is still a member of that educational institution- it's community. If we end this here and go on "lone wolf" style we'll only be running away from the problem. In short, it would be counter productive. We cannot change others, we do not have the power or right, but we can work with each other to figure this out. It's obvious both sides are wanting/willing to work on this- why else would this appear? We've had a lot of opinions and ideas, but I have yet to hear one personal adamantly against at least some sort/level of change. Permit me to speak of my idea further, if you would. More like, if you're still willing to put up with me. ^_^; I reference back to how both sites are chasing after the exact thing the other site has: khwiki.com wants a stronger community base/social life within our community; the Keyhole wants more content as you would see in a database. Our community has changed. Most of the users that were around during the split are gone. Those of us that are still here that were around back then: 1- Were inactive and don't know the event in-detail (such as myself) 2- Weren't the "radical" or aggressive or emotional users that fought on the IRCs/talk pages/forums. And, if we were, we've calmed ourselves down. We want closure with this so we can move on as a giant community, or, in the least, we at least want to settle this matter completely so we can all get back to focusing on other things- such as editing and fan-girling over Kingdom Hearts III. The "old place"- kingdomhearts.wikia.com- used to have both a social side and a business side...all on the same url/site. What's to stop us from having that again? I do agree that having two encyclopedic sites is redundant and silly. Splitting the site between social and business is also silly and a bit ridiculous. Splitting content between sites is absolutely ridiculous. As FM said, who wants to shuffle between sites all the time for certain information? But this brings to question "so what can they talk about that we don't have?" A rephrase: "What could they do to beat khwiki.com?" The answer folks, are two options: a fansite or a news site. We already have the encyclopedia [khwiki.com], the fan-fiction [KH Fanon Wiki], and even a Q&A site [KH Answers Wiki]. We don't, however, have a true fansite or news site. Think about it. None of those sites I just listed contains an in-depth coverage of: daily/new KH information [news site], convention events [fansite/news site], game release events [fan site], anything about cosplaying competitions or other forms Kingdom Hearts series fans participate in [fansite], and who knows what else. Now think about this: Where do you go for news information or for fansite-like events/coverage? Don't know about you guys, but I don't come here for either of the two. However, there's also a third option...a re-merge. Before anyone starts chucking tomatoes, hear me out. First, I want to make it clear that I don't mean a split/merge as large/or even catastrophic as the last one. This could be something that both sites can comment on and see how they want to handle this "merge." I'm thinking of it as copying/pasting what one site wants over to the other site and vice-versa. We think and act as if this will totally devastate one site or the other when it really won't. A response to the statement "it would wipe out five years Keyholian work": What's to say we cannot look at their work and combine it to what we have over here? By all means, if they've got a better write up of the manga articles, we'll take it. Lord knows I've done about the best I could on them. Haha. ^_^; We can look between the two sites on each and every article/page and decide what we all think should come over. There doesn't have to be this mindset of "Oh no, we don't want or like your work" or to have an "anti-keyhole work" policy. For actual content, I don't think this will be a problem...or will absolutely infuriate anyone. The tricky part comes down to the nit-picky stuff such as policies and other things [categories, images, etc.], but mainly just straight up policies. For whatever we decide to do, we can talk it over and work things out. This is entirely possible. In my first post I asked you guys to review this forum again. Although a bit ugly or sad to read, this forum shows us a lot of things. One in particular stands out to me: we stabbed ourselves in the back. Instead of following the plan that was initially agreed upon, some users decided to derail that train and do what they wanted. Instead of fixing that problem and talking things over, everyone got angry and basically told the other to take a hike. We then started building barriers around ourselves and our sites. We began working and focusing solely on whatever site we had decided to stay with, and completely forgot about the other site. It's almost like there was an "iron curtain" between us. And now we're here, four years later and no better off. We have two paths, guys, and two paths alone. We can either work to finally set things right, or we can work to properly close/end all ties with each other. Ignoring this problem any further isn't an option. I say we pull ourselves out of the hole we have dug for ourselves and finally get back together. Xion4ever Promise... — 22:17, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

MateusinhoEX - King of Beasts sighted!— MateusinhoEX 00:21, 5 January 2015 (UTC) Okay, so I think, even with all the discussion about what we should do, that we are going the wrong way here. I will try to point that out like the whole Kingdom Hearts Series do with us: right in the feels. PLEASE READ EVERYTHING SPECIALLY THE PARTS SAID BY KRYTEN: "In the politest of terms, the fact that the community has split at all is totally the fault of these users. They were invited and encouraged to work with the rest of the community, building a complentary set of an encyclopedia and fansite, and have instead decided to rip everything up backwards. This has resulted in the planned "connectivity" of the sites falling apart. This has resulted in ridiculous mistrust between the two sites which were supposed to be made up of the same people. This has resulted in the creative efforts of various users, which together could make both sites beautiful, instead remaining as aborted efforts that fall apart due to exhaustion. This has resulted in both sites suffering from exhausted users, poor advertising, and conflicting google results. In non-polite terms: For the good of both urls, please let us adhere to the original plan. Please let us remove our heads from our sphincters before stabbing each other in the back.[...]" "[...]There were a significant amount of users that were not interested in building the fansite portion, but there was also the larger amount of editors on this site who made little to no attempt to actually do anything but make a second encyclopedia. Again, stop thinking of these sites in terms of "the old encyclopedia/community" and "the new encyclopedia/community". They are simply urls, and the thing I tried to impress over and over was that people who want to build an encyclopedia should continue to build one at the khwiki.net address. The only reason the community agreed to not completely abandon this url is because of misplaced sentimentality. The plan they had is the same were having. Because of Wikia advertsiment, they were going to make The Keyhole a fansite, and the encyclopedia would be located at KHWiki.com. As you can see, THE COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT HAVE BROKEN. Users should have worked normally in both sites, and their goal would be different, not making them pointless. But in the end, some users ended up messing things, and continued to add to much encyclopedic information on WIkia. So, as we can see, were trying to make the initial plan work. But I, after reading all Xion said, started to agrre with her. We have gone too far now to come back. But theres one more thing that was said on the original discussion that got me thinking. Just 3 simple words: "just a URL "JUST A URL" Everything could have been avoided if everyone just stopped using the old URL and only moved to the new one. It should have been just a change of URL, and ended in all of this because of sentimentalism. And the same thing is almost ruining evrything again, as I saw on the Roundtable. We are struggling for nothing. Because even if not in an agressive manner, we are still in doubt on what to do. We have exactly the two parts of a whole, and still decide to stay apart. One wants what the other have. But we don't want to join. "[...]What I know is that what I love about the Keyhole is its community We're small, but I never feel short for conversation or fun What I miss about the Keyhole is the lack of editing opportunites.[...] The only thing we really have to do is make lists. I dont really like doing that, so I dont edit much. I want to retain our community, but open us up to more editing opportunities, without robbing opportunities for KHWiki.[...] [...]I would love it to become the best Kingdom Hearts site known to the internet. But that's unlikely[...]" So yeah, they are right. We just can't be the best KH site on the internet now. Not as we are now. KH13 and Kingdom Hearts Insider, for example have a huge community, and discussions, and news, and walkthroughs and videos and things like that. Man, so we will never achieve that. But waaaaaaaait just a little second. We have all that. And much more. The problem is we're split up. We have a huge community, but it's not working together. And the ones that could give their best, can't because they are working at two places at the same time! The first site about Kingdom Hearts I joined was KH13. But my account must be rotten now. Why I left? They didn't had nothing very detailed to help me complete what I was needing in game. Then I reached The Keyhole. The information was good, but other day I ended up here. And here I am. Maybe I'm here just because I am more focused on sharing what I know with the others. I was always the recluse one. Maybe if I was a more friend oriented person, I would be at The Keyhole. But I'm here now, trying to help both. I may not be editing, but I am always looking out for you guys, seeing if you need help. So I really think the direction this discussion should take, is how we could merge again. And in fact, I really don't think merge is the real word. We should just select which URL is the one we should stick with. If we were able to split, we can join again. We can discuss and find a way to fit together all of the community features together with detailed information, without having to sacrifice policies, galleries, namespaces, and not even anything of the community features. I'm not talking as if we were separate wikis anymore. The Greater Wiki should not be the group of those 4 wikis cited here. It should be Fanon, Awsners and us as one. If we really try harder we can find a solution for this! For example, more community oriented users could read our guides on editing and our Tutorials on the Magazine and start to edit in the same manner we do here, following all rules for making the articles reliable and with good information that can be trusted, detailed and all as it was. Meanwhile, the content of The Keyhole that is not here, all the pages, the community ones that doesn't follow the rules about fan made things, could be in a special namespace, like a "Community:" namespace, for example. And it all could be made the other way around, if we decided to mantain The Keyhole as URL. We could really try to find a way to make everything, such as templates, working there. Everything would be made without hurting anyone! We would just need to check up on what pages are missing on whatever one we keep. Together we could really make those Trinity Archives work really well and put up awesome news on the Main Page, make our other accounts work very well, such as our Facebook group (which could become a page), Youtube and others. I really like to reference a thing ENX said on the IRC during the Roundtable. We are like Ventus and Vanitas. We are the only ones who could forge the X-Blade. And maybe, this could even be a good new name for the rejoined Wiki. This is probably our last chance. And, if the people that works on The Keyhole really don't want to discuss this or don't want to give any help, nor try nothing, I'm very sorry. IT'S THEM WE REALLY NEED NOW. WE CAN'T DECIDE THIS ALONE. Nothing can happen being totally good for one side alone. I'm pointing out what I think is the best for the 2 of us together. We should try either this, or the initial idea. If this happens and nothing changes, I will stick with Pea and keep on working as we are. Sorry if I made someone angry with anything I said in this whole post, but that's my real opinion and I feel like I really should point out. Thanks, guys. "[User]:Call this A-grade bullshit as well, but the views that this comunity has on .net's is that your site has a much more strict, closed, and to some extent even restricting and oppressing atmosphere." -Kryten: Then go there, get involved, and CHANGE THAT. Encouraging people to keep to a condition where two potential groups needlessly compete and backstab each other is not helpful for either group.

We've realised that this issue is much more impactful on the future of the Keyhole than we originally thought. If it's alright, we'd like to take some time to meet up amongst ourselves for discussion, so we can return to this forum with our thoughts and feelings more organised Chainoffire 07:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 11:12 AM Mon, January 5, 2015 MST A couple things, first. I merged the two conversations together, putting them "wherever I like" (actually, I put them where I felt they flowed most smoothly, so sorry if that destroys some idea/hope for keeping them separate). Also, I'd like to remind you that we have other points we can discuss, too, that do not depend on the outcome of this conversation (like the name of the "Greater Wiki", and the stuff under "Unification"). Now, I'd like to try and submit my own opinion on the matter, by also giving a history lesson, of sorts (takes Xion's idea...). Ok, so it's not really a history lesson as much as it is an explanation on how this got included in Operation: Keychain. The early draft of Operation: Keychain didn't have this need for a purpose for the Keyhole. What it did have, and what this purpose was supposed to aid in when it was added, was a suggestion from Chainoffire (who I involved early on) to increase cross-editing, so that we'd really be a unified community. That's the whole intention for defining a purpose for The Keyhole. Because I realized early on that I didn't edit on The Keyhole because I didn't know what to do there. I didn't know how to edit there. I mean, I knew what it wasn't, and I expressed this in private chats when we were organizing Operation: Keychain (which has seven other parts, and I'd like your opinions on all of those, too, guys!). I knew it wasn't a fanon wiki for fanfiction and such, because that was superseded by the Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki. I knew it wasn't an encyclopedia because that was supposed to be the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. So then...what was it? What is a "fan-site"? And even after discussing with others from the Keyhole up to two days before the Roundtable, it was clear even they didn't know the purpose. What they did know was that they liked what they were able to do there. And that was the whole purpose of creating this conversation. It isn't to change them, if they didn't want to. It'd be great to keep it the way it is, if we knew what that was, so that we could carry out one of the other parts of Operation: Keychain, which is to advertise those goals, to advertise and promote "the Greater Wiki" with The Keyhole's purpose included. Chain mentioned at the Roundtable that each time, one of the wikis was getting the short end of the stick, whether it was the Kingdom Hearts Wiki after the Split or The Keyhole after the Merge. My personal hope isn't to split the stick evenly, but to make it bigger, and share the stick (the idea being the stick is traffic, recognition, Google results, etc.). Regarding what's been proposed. I think in general, both wikis are opposed to merging and abandoning either site, whether it's for logical or sentimental feelings. Here's why. Immediately, one of the wikis is impacted negatively in regards to its original intention. Regardless of where we move, either The Keyhole loses its community friendliness by the Kingdom Hearts Wiki's more professional policies, or the Kingdom Hearts Wiki loses its sometimes-strict professional policies in favor of The Keyhole's more loose, community-first policies that it currently has. Not to mention, we would forcibly have to move to The Keyhole, because khwiki.com is easier to close than kingdomhearts.wikia.com (which cannot be closed). It also flies in the face of the reason we left in the first place, which was Wikia's random changes which ruined the wiki's content (and if you thought those were problems back 4 years ago, wait till you see what Wikia is rolling out in a couple months. The DisneyWiki recently was chosen to trial run this layout for only three days because the admins pushed for a shorter trial run. That's how bad it is). Regarding the news site idea. I truly considered proposing that myself in Operation: Keychain (and it's proposed in Section IV: COMMUNITY). It's a great idea, but only one issue: it would mandate that we have people writing these reports, which we currently have a small staff to do so. Not to mention, we'd be directly competing with Kingdom Hearts Insider and KH13, which have a more established reputation and community. However, doing it wouldn't be a bad idea. I come now to my own proposal from the Roundtable, which has been mentioned a couple times here. For those who didn't join us Friday (or tuned out due to the sheer chaos that quickly ensued), I suggested splitting the social aspects of the Kingdom Hearts Wiki and moving them to The Keyhole. In exchange, the main encyclopedia would remain on the Kingdom Hearts Wiki at khwiki.com. The idea actually ties to what Xion keeps mentioning about each wiki wanting what the other has. Rather than try and increase those aspects on each separate wiki, my idea was meant to remove the need. See, what I envisioned would happen was that the social/community aspects would be promoted on the Kingdom Hearts Wiki much more, and The Keyhole would have more prominent links to our content, too. It was the best I could figure out to merging the two wikis despite the "physical" (not really physical, but digital?) and sentimental barriers that would prevent that merge. It's the closest I could get to that hope I mentioned of sharing the stick. By promoting the Kingdom Hearts Wiki as the encyclopedia, and The Keyhole as the social/community site, and constantly promoting that aspect about each other, we'd basically be one website. Kinda like if we have two bases or two houses. Rather than try to move everyone to the same house or base, we build a tunnel between the two. In that way, we have become both one site and separate urls. The "tunnel" in the analogy is the more pronounced links between the two sites. With that in mind, tangible ideas of what would change was that the Mirage Arena would move to The Keyhole (since the Underdrome would be closing soon), as well as closing forums like Twilight Town Library and The Usual Spot (got to remember to make an image for The Realm of Sleep). More game/strategy/speculation conversations would be encouraged at forums and talk pages at The Keyhole. The Keyhole would thus be promoted to all new visitors to the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. The same would be expected from The Keyhole. As for mainspace at The Keyhole, like I said, the articles would be written to be complete but not as detailed as those on the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. The emphasis would be to discuss the subject of the articles. I find the many of the articles of looked at to be fine, I think, in regards to complete without too much details into gameplay, so I think the idea of making the articles without pressure and as they wish (something I think Aixon expressed at the Roundtable) works for this purpose. In fact, I'd suggest breaking some lists down like List of Keyblades into either smaller lists (per game) or into articles for each Keyblade, if it allows/encourages discussion on them. And the intention isn't to rob the Kingdom Hearts Wiki of all the social aspects, but to emphasize The Keyhole as the mastermind of such things. Thus, the Kingdom Hearts Wiki would still host the Twilight Times Magazine and its Journalist Spot every six months, as well as the Round Room Podcast and the Let's Play series, and it could host other social events. But The Keyhole would be emphasized for daily or normal social discussion/events/whatever. I made this proposal because I felt that a purpose of being "a social and community-first oriented website" best defined what The Keyhole was now while allowing for an expansion of those same qualities. Some of that expansion is found in Section IV: COMMUNITY of Operation: Keychain, such as the news site idea and more forums similar to those in the Community Corner at Kingdom Hearts Insider. That was my idea, not to remove things from the other wiki, but to remove the need/desire for those things by bringing the two wikis as close to a merge as possible while still keeping the two on different urls. This proposal is what I think The Keyhole should be (going back to Xion's question). Finally, I love the idea of including other wikis in this "Greater Wiki", but I think we should define ourselves, first. Because they already have their defined purposes. Once we have ours (including The Keyhole's), we can expand. While we wait on The Keyhole's unified response (which is a fun idea, that they're unified, while we're here all over the place...XD), I encourage you guys to discuss the other aspects of Operation: Keychain. What should we do from this? What shouldn't we do? What isn't included that we could do?

TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 18:43, 5 January 2015 (UTC) Let's take discussion slowly so we're not overwhelmed. The purpose of the Keyhole is essential, so it cannot be rushed. We can always discuss other things afterwards (or at least on a different page). In response to KSM's proposal, read the penultimate paragraph of my post above. Splitting the needs means we have to constantly shuffle across wikis whenever we want to satisfy the other need. It'll deter people, except for the most patient and tolerant. Extending the stick and then sharing it is a nice idea in principle. However, in practise what's actually happening with that plan is the stick shrivels up and shortens. Xion's words make complete sense to me and offer the best solution I've heard so far. In other words, I agree with pretty much everything she said in her last post.

TheSilentHero used Hydro Pump! It's super effective! — 07:58, 9 January 2015 (UTC) Maybe the Keyhole could cover things about the KH-series that we don't, like staff members and voice actors. And maybe they could make articles about the original Disney movies like SmashWiki's universe pages. So we would be focusing on things in the games, and they about things outside the games.

Pea14733 Knowing it in your head doesn't mean much if you don't act on it. — 10:11, 9 January 2015 (UTC) We wouldn't want a second Disney Wiki (that also has SQEX stuffs) there. It should be only about Kingdom Hearts.

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 10:12 AM Thu, April 30, 2015 MST My time on the wiki is quickly running out, so I will make a last ditch effort to get everyone to figure this out so we can add ideas/projects/tasks/etc. for The Keyhole that can be started, if not finished, this year. A lot of good ideas have been thrown around since the topic was publicly opened in January, both here and at The Keyhole, and now, five months later, I'm gonna try to make something out of it with fairly fresh eyes. First, I think some ground rules, or a framework, of what we want, which I've gathered from looking over all the responses. By framework, I mean that these four ideas should be considered in all potential plans we present for shaping the purpose of The Keyhole. We are NOT abandoning either site: The easiest choice, by far, but the least likely. Like I said previously, for emotional or logical reasons, neither site's users are about to leave their site. Closing The Kingdom Hearts Wiki and moving back to Wikia flies in the face of what's been done over the last four years, and the reason why we split in the first place (independence from Wikia). Closing The Keyhole is outright impossible because of Wikia's terms, and the community isn't going to give up their liberty to do what they currently do to leave The Keyhole, either. Both sites will ultimately become encyclopedias: Part of what's been expressed throughout this discussion is that we don't want both sites to be the same because we don't want the two to compete for traffic. However, from seeing the discussion at The Keyhole, no one there wants to give up the content they have; in fact, they want the liberty to cover more content, be more encyclopedic, and in effect cover about the same ground The Kingdom Hearts Wiki does. In the end, I think we'll have to give in to this desire. The sites can't be duplicates of each other: Despite both ultimately being encyclopedias for the Kingdom Hearts series, they can't be duplicates of each other, and that's been expressed on both sides of the discussion. Having duplicates with the same purpose and coverage creates conflict: we'll start competing for traffic and users, there won't be a unifying of the community, and we'll return to the time of the old forums when the sites would trash each other. It's also redundant: a regular user/gamer will be confused as to which wiki he/she should use. In the end, we should have a purpose: This is my own addition to the framework. A lot of different ideas have been thrown around. Cross-editing, re-merging, having The Keyhole cover voice-actors, more links to The Keyhole. Some are good ideas, but there've been few that actually answer the question "What's the purpose of The Keyhole?" Why should I want to edit there? What kind of content can I find there that I can't find anywhere else, or what should I expect from The Keyhole? Some have mentioned keeping it as a fan-site, which is fine, but what exactly is a fan-site? Technically, we're all fan-sites. The Kingdom Hearts Wiki is a fan-site, an internet encyclopedia of the Kingdom Hearts series built up by fans. Kingdom Hearts Insider is a fan-site, an internet news site of the Kingdom Hearts series run by fan journalists. Wiki Kingdom Hearts is a fan-site, an internet encyclopedia of the Kingdom Hearts series in Spanish built by those that have played the game in Spanish. Heck, DisneyWiki is a fan-site, an internet encyclopedia of Disney-related elements and works, among which includes the Kingdom Hearts series, built entirely by fans. Even, IGN is a fan-site, an internet website of video game reviews and news, that likes to dish on Kingdom Hearts, by fans (which include rather pathetic excuses for Kingdom Hearts fans). "Fan-site" is not a purpose, it's a description of every Kingdom Hearts website not hosted at http://www.kingdomhearts.com or http://www.kingdomhearts.jp. We need a purpose for The Keyhole, something that we can talk about to other gamers on the internet and around us. A mission statement, or a new tagline. Something that says "The Keyhole does this. We specialize in this. You interested? Join us in this. Add to it. Help this grow." Anything short of a purpose only leaves The Keyhole in the same place as it is now, and we'll be back here in four years' time. After all, that's why we're here now, because four years ago, "fan-site" was thought up as a good purpose/tag-line, when it isn't. I'd like to now present an idea of my own that I've been conjuring over the last few weeks. The following concept I've crafted is in many ways, a culmination of several other people's ideas. It's inspired on one website: http://simple.wikipedia.org. For those who, like me, have never seen Simple English Wikipedia, it's an official "language" of Wikipedia, and basically is a simplified version of the English Wikipedia for those who are learning English or have difficulty understanding English. However, the concept of a simplified Wikipedia is what sparked my interest, and so, here's my idea: The Keyhole should be a simplified encyclopedia of the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. The Kingdom Hearts Wiki would be the Ultimania and The Keyhole would be something like the BradyGames guides. Before you tune out, let me explain that that's the essence of it, here are the specifics. This concept has three basic parts. Content Restriction: The restrictions currently imposed on The Keyhole requiring content to be put in lists would be removed. The Keyhole would be free to cover as much, in regards to what subjects, as they want. Instead, to keep the two sites separate, The Keyhole would not cover technical aspects of the game in its mainspace. It would be simplified in regards to gameplay (I realized today that FM had suggested this back in January). So, The Kingdom Hearts Wiki, like the Ultimania, would cover the levels, HP, resistance, and other general mechanics, while The Keyhole covers the same subject without the technical details, while still fully covering the subject. The restrictions in this regard on The Keyhole wouldn't be what deserves a page; so long as they want it to have a page, it can have a page, even on subjects that aren't covered in individual pages on this wiki. Instead, the restriction would be on how technical they can be. Many of the articles already express this well, and this new change in restrictions would actually allow for more pages on more content (for anyone who thought this would require shortening existing pages, I don't think that'll need to happen). Re-merge: Additionally, I think we should carry out a merge to update the content on The Keyhole. By this, I mean The Keyhole should organize an effort to update their articles by basing off of what's on The Kingdom Hearts Wiki, but not copy the actual wording (to avoid the competition issue). A lot of the content on The Keyhole is outdated, especially in regards to the HD ReMIXes, so a merge of sorts (not on the massive scale that the first one seemed to have been carried out) is really necessary. Community: In addition (merging in my social/community idea from before), there would be an emphasis on community and social aspects. So, emphasize community discussion of the subjects and everything. The blogs from before. And, most importantly, walkthroughs. In my concept, The Keyhole should also emphasize on entirely user-created Walkthroughs, like the ones currently on the site. The Kingdom Hearts Wiki has only one walkthrough per game built by user collaboration, and it should stay that way. On The Keyhole, however, the walkthroughs would not be a site-led effort in that they wouldn't have to be just one walkthrough, but each user would be able to create their own version, or collaborate with another user to make one, and they'd get a greater emphasis by the wiki. Strategies, too, and other stuff that basically help a player get through the game. In short, The Keyhole would be the real gamer's encyclopedia. No actual gamer really needs the in-game calculations and statistics that are hosted on the Kingdom Hearts Wiki during their actual playing. In many ways, what's hosted here in that regard is a little over the top. But on The Keyhole, they'd be able to provide regular human-usable strategies and guides, made by different people, to help other people. And The Keyhole would still be loose in policies to allow for the various things that have been added, like LegendAqua's Anime Reviews. Other things that have been suggested, like closing certain forums here and moving the Mirage Arena, are still up for debate if wanted (though The Underdrome didn't close, so I don't know if moving the Mirage Arena is a good idea). To conclude, it is imperative that we have a purpose for The Keyhole if Operation: Keychain is to have any effect over there. Without one, we can't make plans on what we want to work to gain at The Keyhole, nor can we tell people on the Internet about what they can do over there. It's impossible right now to advertise The Keyhole because all we have is a bunch of don'ts as a purpose. We need a purpose, whether it's my concept, or a variation of it, or someone else's ideas, but we need one, and we're gonna need it pretty soon. Even so, we need a discussion. We need to know what exactly The Keyhole wants to be , whether it's my idea or anyone else's idea, or an idea of their own. Any of the small specifics can be merged into any plan of action, too, like cross-editing to help during the re-merge or whatever. Additionally, I hope I've made it clear here that what my concept aims to do isn't further restrict The Keyhole or reduce it to a social site like many of you seemed to have felt. I'm trying here to expand it where I see it can without pitting it against The Kingdom Hearts Wiki, for reasons I've already expressed. In fact, I am of the personal belief that some, if not all, the restrictions that cause The Keyhole to cover content in lists should be altered or loosened, if not outright removed. This way, it's still an encyclopedia like the people at The Keyhole want it to be, and still different enough that it doesn't directly compete with The Kingdom Hearts Wiki. In the end, this concept gives The Keyhole a new purpose, a defined purpose: "The Gamer's Kingdom Hearts Encyclopedia".

TheFifteenthMember ...dango daikazoku~ — TheFifteenthMember 16:13, 12 May 2015 (UTC) To put the entire discussion in a nutshell, there are two current concepts for the Keyhole's purpose: A out-of-universe perspective KH encyclopedia, whereby the wiki focuses on real life events, such as production teams, events, fandom concepts (like information on cosplay), notable homages to the series etc. Pros: Completely different scope to KHWiki (which is often criticised for only offering in-universe information). Probably a more unique wiki with no other database having that sort of information out there on the internet. Cons: Possibly undesired information or things that few people want to read. A simplified version of the KHWiki. Pros: Adheres better to the Keyhole's current content. Cons: May be seen as "inferior" or "lesser" to the KHWiki in the public eye, putting it at risk of constantly being overshadowed by the KHWiki. Also, if we're targeting foreigners here with simple English, there's already the dedicated French, German and Spanish Wikis out there. I could offer my own opinion but I'll leave that to the Keyholians to discuss. I'd just like to stress that we need to quicken our pace with this discussion. I wrote this for a roundtable that never happened, so I'd like to bring it up here. After we define the Keyhole, we need to make both wikis close to perfection before branching out to other sites with our ambitious plans of the Wikiverse, getting a whole website etc. Both of our encyclopaedias are the main meat to the Wikiverse, so we need to make them good first. And I rushed this ending because I need to go...

Unification

Final Chain - "Good tidings friends..." TALK - "...and a happy new year!" - Chainoffire 06:28, 1 May 2015 (UTC) Since "Kingdom Hearts Wikiverse" is pretty much the accepted term, (It's been made official right?) Should we have a thing like SEIWA on the main page? (Although I'm not sure how official SEIWA is anymore, but that discussion is better suited elsewhere.) and should we have an off-wiki page similiar to this? Or am I jumping the gun too much?

KeybladeSpyMaster - There will always be a Door to the light ! TALK - Helping others always comes before asking others for help! - 12:16 PM Fri, May 1, 2015 MST "Kingdom Hearts Wikiverse" isn't official (we're supposed to finalize it today, if anyone shows up for the Roundtable), but it pretty much is accepted as you said. It would be awesome to have a website hub like SEIWA, make it similar to SEIWA (I also had that idea for WAFRE, but that discussion goes elsewhere). If we choose to do it, where would it be hosted? Do we know if Porplemontage can? I think Grifkuba (the host for SEIWA) might be willing, but I'm not sure of that, either.

Chainoffire - "Hey, wait... I'm enjoying this. You guys are something else!" TALK - :) Chainoffire 04:44, 12 May 2015 (UTC) Well I'd hate to get a 3rd party involved, but if we have to resort to that, then that's fine with me. Would it be easier to host a "KHWV" page on each wiki? Maybe post something on the affiliates page?

The content on the Kingdom Hearts Wiki is what makes the wiki special. However, the wiki is seriously behind in covering the series. In addition, the way the wiki presents some of this content could use some updating. Finally, to fulfill the goals of Operation: Keychain, the presentation of content needs to be promoted, and for that, we may need to find better ways of presenting it.

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Kingdom Hearts Wiki

How can we improve the content on the Kingdom Hearts Wiki?

1. Link/group the multiple pages of coverage of each game, world, etc.
   1. Pages (some may not apply)
      1. Main page
      2. Gallery
      3. Card
      4. Game:
      5. Walkthrough
      6. Let's Play
      7. Form
      8. Merchandise
         1. Soundtracks/Music
         2. Manga
         3. Strategy Guides
         4. Novels
      9. χ Cards
   2. On occasion, we could probably merge multiple content (links to music, walkthroughs, Let's Play episodes, Merchandise, etc.) on one page called “Other” or “More…”
   3. Solutions?
      1. Navigation bar
      2. Add tabs to Suite
2. Maps of the areas.
   1. Such maps are provided in the Kingdom Hearts II Official Strategy Guide, so those can be scanned. What about the rest? Can we rip those out of the games? Perhaps they belong in the Walkthrough space?
   2. Maps: space? (Probably not...)
3. Project: Cards
4. Project: Coliseum
5. Project: Gummi
6. Project: Image Renovation
7. Project: Items
8. Project: Music
   1. Create remaining pages for individual tracks
   2. Upload remaining tracks
   3. Finish navigation
   4. See if there's a way to upload full tracks and still protect those tracks and the wiki from copyright infringement (protect the tracks from being downloaded and turning the wiki into a file-hosting site).
9. Project: Video
   1. See Section III: Video
10. Project: World
11. Project: SHOUT
12. Project: χ
    1. Perhaps work with people like Everglow and KH13 to better the wiki's coverage of this game.
    2. Upload Cards, organize as discussed.
    3. Fill out coverage pages for Items.

The Keyhole

What content can we add to The Keyhole to increase traffic? PURPOSE MUST BE DEFINED FIRST

1. Advertise the theory/speculation/fan site aspect of The Keyhole. It's no different in direction to various other fan sites with forums dedicated to this stuff, and The Keyhole is an entire site for this, not a single forum. However, few know about these capabilities.

Discussion

Pea14733 Hey, it's their world. They get to decide what to do with it. — 18:50, 5 January 2015 (UTC) How about we add some serious technical information like how to calculate HP for each enemy or something? I mean currently those are only in the templates so it might actually be a good idea to reveal it.

Videos are a key form of presentation of information. They present information, ideas, and entertainment in a way text and images cannot. They have become an important part of the Kingdom Hearts Wiki, if the wiki had access to making such videos. As part of Operation: Keychain, the Kingdom Hearts Wiki will attempt to increase its access to people that can make such videos, and will promote them through means such as the wiki's YouTube channel, as well as on the wiki itself. It also needs these videos for presentation of content, such as game strategies and walkthroughs.

VIDEOS

Kingdom Hearts Wiki

What kinds of videos do we need? What kinds of videos do we want to produce?

1. For Project: Video
2. Full game Walkthroughs
   1. Walkthrough-space, which allows for greater attraction/attention to the Walkthrough text.
   2. To differentiate from the Let's Play, these should probably be without commentary.
3. Videos for individual battles.
   1. Game-space
   2. YouTube Channel
   3. Promotion through Social Media
4. Livestreams?
   1. I believe Twitch is a good way to do this, so perhaps we should consider getting a Twitch account for the wiki?

The Keyhole

1. Livestreams?
   1. I believe Twitch is a good way to do this, so perhaps we should consider getting a Twitch account for the wiki? Perhaps promote this as a project of The Keyhole.
2. Others?
   1. Additional videos by other users that do not wish a daunting project like a full walkthrough, but still want to make videos could be promoted through The Keyhole, which encourages people to check The Keyhole out.

Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki

Inapplicable...for now...

Users

Who can we contact to help us make such videos? Who is available to help?

1. GrandmasterArcuturus
2. Everglow???
3. Cyberman65???
4. Others???

The Kingdom Hearts Wiki has a strong community, but it is small. The aim of Operation: Keychain is to grow that community. One way is to host and create more community/social-oriented projects that focus less on the games, though they still are based on them.

COMMUNITY

Magazine and Podcast

How can we improve the magazine?

1. Advertise the magazine. Part of the purpose of the magazine was to see if we could get people to want to join the wikis to participate in the magazine.

How can we improve the podcast?

1. Professionalize the podcast
2. Advertise the podcast on all possible social media sites. Get more people excited for each episode. Get discussion on the episodes.

Forums

1. New forums, which would be on The Keyhole and linked at the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. The forums would cover topics similar to what's found at KHInsider's Forums (see Creative Corner and Community Lounge) and would encourage the discussion of theories, speculation, etc.
2. Consider closing the Twilight Town Library and The Usual Spot Forums, and moving/merging them to The Keyhole, where they align more to the (presumed, but I could be wrong) purpose/aim of The Keyhole.
3. Increase traffic to The Beach (the non-KH Forum at The Keyhole).

News

1. News extension to the Wikis. Perhaps through affiliation of an existing news site, or by expanding the Trinity Archives or Jiminy's Journal (the latter would be more daunting and difficult). The fact is that many people would rather know what's coming up over what is in released games. We ought to put emphasis in covering recent news, and use that coverage to advertise our coverage of game content/strategies.
2. Coverage of Kingdom Hearts events. We need to figure out where users live relative to Kingdom Hearts events, and the capabilities of these and other users in attending these events. We should also encourage users to cover events for us. Coverage of these events should probably be covered on The Keyhole, regardless of whether we affiliate with another news site.

Discussion

Pea14733 Knowing it in your head doesn't mean much if you don't act on it. — 18:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC) We'll absolutely need people who can translate Japanese and either someone who lives in Japan or a reliable Japanese news source.

The Kingdom Hearts Wiki has grown in the past four years to include a ton of content and work, and with that comes a need to refine our means of maintaining and establishing administration of the sites. This includes the maintenance of the site's appearance, as well as providing adequate available staff for the site.

SITE MAINTENANCE AND ADMINISTRATION

Kingdom Hearts Wiki

Policies

Over the last nine years since the creation of the Kingdom Hearts Wiki, the wiki's staff, past and present, has created tons of policies that affect both content and user behavior on the wiki. While they many are well known, they are not well documented, being decided on either the IRC or in forums. This aspect of Operation: Keychain aims to organize all the policies into a searchable and organized directory.

1. Gather and sort out all the policies into different pages, with a main hub under KHWiki:Policy
   1. http://www.khwiki.com/User:Xion4ever/Forum_Archive_Catalog_%28The_World_that_Never_was%29
2. Update, revise, and/or clarify existing policy pages that are outdated.
3. Additional Policies
   1. User Behavior: “Users will not be tolerated if they attempt to impose their opinions or actions on the wiki solely because they have been on the wiki longer, because they are current or former staff, or because they feel they are superior to other users in any way. All users are equally subject to the policies and rules of the wiki, and will be subject to the immediate consequences if they attempt to impose superiority by any of these or other unlisted means.”
      1. A service to have users report misbehaving users to the wiki's email, which would make it anonymous. Certain users/staff would have access to the email, and the reporting user would have to use the specific name of whoever they wish to address the issue in the subject line. This prevents interference if the email is to report one of the users/staff that monitors the email.

Staff

Organize/List additional staff and administration for additional site projects. These staff members may not need additional powers, but should be listed for the purpose of contact and such.

1. Magazine Staff
2. Podcast Staff
3. Let's Play Staff
4. Social Media Staff (See Section VII: Social Media)
5. Others?

Site appearance and Functionality

1. Could The Keyhole use an update to the Main Page?
   1. Update the skin as a whole.
2. Additional functionality to the Kingdom Hearts Wiki? What kinds? What for?

The Keyhole

Site appearance and Functionality

1. Could The Keyhole use an update to the Main Page?
   1. Update the skin as a whole.

Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki

Staff

1. Organize/Establish an active and engaging staff.

Site appearance and Functionality

1. Update the Main Page

Affiliations are how the Kingdom Hearts Wiki and other sites worldwide spread the word of their existence. In addition, affiliation allows for the Kingdom Hearts Wiki to have more credibility in regards to search engines, as engines like Google and Bing use algorithms that, among other factors, include the number of times/places a site is listed/linked. As such, Operation: Keychain aims to increase our affiliations with a number of notable and well-known Kingdom Hearts websites across the internet.

AFFILIATIONS

Ties in with Section I. The Greater Wiki: In some cases, one wiki may be affiliated with a site, but the other is not (most cases, The Keyhole is the affiliated site, the Kingdom Hearts Wiki is not). Perhaps we should consider unifying our affiliation system into one? Convince all our affiliates to link to both sites?

Websites

1. KH13
2. Kingdom Hearts Insider
3. Destiny Islands
   1. If we wanted and were able to, we could take some sort of hold/involvement in this news site, which has slowed down in activity over the last year, at least in comparison to its coverage of Kingdom Hearts news up to the release of Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX. We could make it essentially our own by contributing articles and advertising them.
4. KH-Vids
5. SQEX.INFO
   1. Seeing as this girl is a translator (we need more of those) and is able to attend many of the events, I think we should look into this one.
6. DisneyWiki
   1. Yes, I know. However, Disney is a huge chunk to the Kingdom Hearts series, not to mention the amount of traffic the DisneyWiki gets on Wikia alone. We could probably pull a couple of strings in our favor out of this affiliation if it goes through.
7. Final Fantasy Wiki Repair relationship with Final Fantasy Wiki?
8. KHWorld Forums (Spanish)
   1. Expand the wikis into other languages?
9. KHRecharged
10. Others?

YouTube

See Section III. Videos

1. Cyberman65 (check if affiliation still valid, and if we can get anything out of this)
2. Everglow
3. Others?

Others?

WIKI ALLIANCE FOR RESPONSIBLE EDITING

Alliance logo

The Wiki Alliance for Responsible Editing, or WAFRE, is an alliance of wikis that have agreed to upholding certain standards on wikis everywhere. WAFRE is meant to be a society of sorts, allowing any wiki that is willing to uphold those same standards on their wiki, and to defend them when necessary. By using the pressure of multiple member wikis, WAFRE aims to protect all wikis from violating the rights of other wikis. Despite its failure earlier this fall, Operation: Keychain aims to make this alliance a reality.

WIKI ALLIANCE FOR RESPONSIBLE EDITING

1. This project totally failed because of lack of support from other wikis. But, this alliance/society isn't a bad idea, and I think it should still exist and we should try and use it how we wanted, and attract other wikis that way. We could even attract the original intended wikis.

Standards

What does WAFRE stand for? What standards do we uphold, and when do we take action?

1. Plagiarism
2. Administrative discretion.

Gallery

Alliance Wordmark	Alternate Wordmark

Discussion

Heck yes to this group. Plagiarism is already listed, but we need to define it for this group/ourselves here. Keep in mind, we'll have to keep the creative commons license and any other rules for "Wiki" content in mind. Nice images by the way, KSM. ^_^Xion4ever 20:02, 6 January 2015 (UTC)