Template talk:Enemy/Archive 1

Version from long ago

I don't know, what if the stats change from game to game? I'm sure the items change. -Azul 04:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Not really I looked most of the drops, they are the same except like for Soldier and the Fat Bandit, but they seem to hold the same items but the names were changed in KHII only. As for HP has almost remained the same except it was raised a little more in KHII also like let's say a Shadow in KH and CoM had 5-60 as it did and in KHII it was changed from 10-90 I think if we do that this enemy template won't that much bad like everyone thinks it is.-Zolo 24 June 2008 (UTC)

This template doesn't cater for KH2, because you can learn abilities by beating bosses. Hexed 05:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Pablo618 - Patron Saint of Bubblegum! TALK - Darkness time... It's going good in my opinion. and what do you mean, Hexed?

Huh?

NëA 思い切って言う I don't know if this happened to you guys, but when I tried the info-box, it gives the same content from the template's page (aka consists the formula-shortcut), is it me who sucked, or the template's isn't complete?

I believe it has been fixed. Oh, he must be asleep now Blue。 17:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Somehow the image isn't presenting/working, I have to write the whole link and set the px myself; any dice?--Nelo

The whole link? Not just the image file name? Blue。 00:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

yes--Nelo

Works for me. Blue。 00:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

that's because the logo is small sized, by typing image:DarkRiku.jpg/or any other bosse's images, it'll give the full resolution, which is really big. Check the Sanbox--Nelo

So what we want here is basically what exactly? I visited the sandbox and the picture works perfectly fine. Blue。 01:11, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, forget about it, I'm really sorry if this issue took chunks of your time away.--Nelo

Retracting the last line. The template still needs more work, Sora is not the only one who learn abilities after defeating bosses.--Nelo

How is it noe Nelo? -Azul 07:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Enemies?

Oath to Order - Aaah! Chainsaw! The great communicator! TALK - {{{time}}} Is there no box for enemies? Do I hafta make one?

Azul81677 - "Ebil minds think ebily alike." - A collaboration between 2 very ebil minds TALK - {{{time}}} This box goes on enemy pages too. Maybe the name should be moved. Are there any difference in stats from what the box says? Maybe you can modify it in your sandbox.

Oath to Order - Aaah! Chainsaw! The great communicator! TALK - {{{time}}} I believe Abilities learned and HP.

Elemental Resistance

Doc rocco - I'm a bad guy, so you have to through me. Conversazione? -Ooh, aren't you clever? · 14:10, 21 April 2009 (UTC) I just noticed that the template is lacking any information on elemental resistance. While this could be covered in-article, it would certainly be more convenient if it were showcased in the infobox. I'd be willing to work it in somehow if everyone is okay with it, and then go in and change the boss pages. According to the Official Strategy Guide the elements are as follows; Weapon Fire Blizzard Thunder % Attack (Gravity) Stop Stun Non-elemental Thoughts? Objections? Anything else?

Yer mom - SOMOS HOMBRES O PAYASOS!!!! TALK - {{{time}}} I don't know how to say it... I don't think elemental resistance is irrelevant but I don't think it's important enough to have it's own case in the infobox. Perhaps if we add it as elemental resistance and weakness in a single entry?

I was actually thinking adding something like at the bottom of the box:

Weapon	Fire	Blizzard	Thunder
0.5	0.5	0.5	0.5

Properly formatted, of course. I just threw this together. ^_^; So just listing the multipliers in a single row. Doc rocco 14:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Yer mom - SOMOS HOMBRES O PAYASOS!!!! TALK - {{{time}}} Oh, that reminds me of the scan system from Final Fantasy X's weapons XD!!! It lookxs nice ^^ I like it, properly formatted as you said of course. I'd love to help with the formatting but you know, I completely SUCK with coding 8D

Magnifique ! Add on to it - or, if you're not sure, there's always Yuan or ILHI to help out. ;-) I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne

Fixes

Reaction, Learn, Info, Rewards, and the Resistances need to be made into optional rows.98.223.230.49 01:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

It could also use the "Special" resistance from CoM, and the auto-categories from the Heartless Template could help.98.223.230.49 01:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living." TALK - This template is now operational. I will get it set for the various main infobox templates, and it still needs to have the aesthetics done, but as seen at Ice Titan, it works. Question - what exactly does Phil tell you are the options for challenging each cup?

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 15:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC) You mean when you select the match? He says "You know the rules, right?" and then a list opens up saying the following : Phil Cup Pegasus Cup Hercules Cup Hades Cup Platinum Match Gold Match Not particularly useful information...usually it's you teaching me things by making points I never thought of before...but anyways, I digress. Hope this helped....

KrytenKoro - "Hurricane beats all housing or apartments. This sucker is a Cat-6!" TALK - Specifically, I meant how the game names the three versions - normal, solo, and timed.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 18:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC) Oh. That's simple. They are : Enter alone - Just Sora Timed Match And then you have to just select your match for normal (S,D,G) and choose the seed you'd like to start at if it's the Hades Cup.

In the Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories stats, what are the "Special" and "Other" supposed to represent? The guide only lists "Phys. Atk.", "Non-elem", "Fire", "Blizzard", and "Thunder". "Aero" is also not mentioned. Should "Aero", Special", and "Other" even be in this template?

Also, bosses that only appear in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix are using the template for Kingdom Hearts II, which makes the tab read "KHII" when the enemy doe not at all appear in Kingdom Hearts II. For example, see Game:Larxene. --^DTN 05:21, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

The game mentions vulnerability to "special attacks", which may just mean non-elemental sleights. I couldn't find confirmation on how that was covered in the guide, and I couldn't get confirmation on whether it included Aero or Other (Gravity, Stop, other status effects). If we can get confirmation on how those work, then the template should be fixed as such.Glorious CHAOS! 08:53, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Also, I don't think we did anything to differentiate Final Mix's.Glorious CHAOS! 08:55, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

I myself never experimented with the Aero spell in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, but its damage multiplier may just remain constant with all enemies since it is never mentioned to change in the guide. If we cannot find information on these types of attacks, it would be best to simply remove those cells from the template, since we would have no confirmed information to fill them. For those enemies unique to Kingdom Hearts Final Mix, Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories, and Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix who are using the templates designed for enemies that appear in their original games, is it possible to replicate the infobox information, but just change what the tab displays? --^DTN 10:03, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Heartless

Right, we have to fix this since its completely unreadable. Change the text or the background? XienZo 05:48, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

My remake

I just completed some changes on the Heartless Infobox template. It solved the readability issues, also i added some heartless coloring. If it needs some tweaking, that can easily be done. Hope I helped.Will045 07:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm fine with the lighter text and all, but I really don't think that the red looks very good around the box, it doesn't really blend in well. I tried making use of the red before but I couldn't get the template right which is why I had the border black when I created it. Until we get something that looks astonishing with red and black, I'm just going to put the border as black again, if that's okay. Guardian Soul 19:41, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." TALK - Can anyone figure out why the columns are different widths?

Azul81677 - "Ebil minds think ebily alike." - A collaboration between 2 very ebil minds TALK - {{{time}}} Didn't you make this template? Something's wrong with it, but I can't seem to find out what it is.

Anyone Agree?

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} I really appreciate the work KrytenKoro has been doing for the wiki, but I'm not very fond of how his new Heartless template looks. I've been trying to get used to it, but I just think it looks rather odd, and it doesn't match any of the other templates. Of course, this is only my opinion, so I'd like everyone else to give their thoughts.

Ultima - Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Totally agree with you GS -

Any idea on how it should look ? I'm kinda lost on the Heartless template. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Azul81677 - "Ebil minds think ebily alike." - A collaboration between 2 very ebil minds TALK - {{{time}}} Again, I suggest a collapsible template that houses the stats for each game.

KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT." TALK - 03:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC) Well, one of the huge problems that has been reintroduced to the template is that the calls don't close - so if a cell isn't used, it leaves ugly, broken code. It also leaves out many of the stats, such as Attack, Defense, and MP Recovery. The setup is also not workable for long lists of rewards - see Air Pirate or Mushroom XIII, where the rewards are parsed quite badly. The optional categorization, if it is a problem, can easily be removed, but honestly the rest of this makes the template quite badly coded. On an aesthetic level, the tiny bits of info in most of the stat cells (HP, Attack, Defense, MP, EXP) leave large blank spaces when they have to be the same width as the longer ones, such as "Rewards", and the asymmetrical look of the current template just looks awful, to me. For "matching other templates", it has the same basic aesthetic as the Equipment and Card templates, and even the new version of the Boss Template (which wasn't even designed by me). Of course I will go along with the majority decision, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but at the very least the coding errors and missing calls need to be fixed. If it's possible, can you guys tell me what exactly you find problematic about the template? Maybe I can fix it.

KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT." TALK - Seriously, guys, this template is broken, and if you're not going to let me fix it, you need to do it yourself.

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} I know that some of the stats such as attack and defense could be added, as well as a way to make it so that the rewards don't look so crowded and messy, but I don't know what you mean by broken. There shouldn't be any broken code showing because all of the spaces should be used, and if one of the spaces isn't being used, we simply put N/A.

KrytenKoro - "Punch your lights out, hit the pavement. That's what I call entertainment. Causin' problems makes you famous - all the violence makes a statement." TALK - Which is not good coding, especially since not all anons who try to add the template are going to know to use it, and honestly, it looks ugly to just have an empty row there.

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} But there are no empty rows...

KrytenKoro - Ṱ͐͒H̫̾̃E͈͔͍͔̾̋ͦ̕ ͇̜͖͉̘̬͙̃̇̊͜N͙͉̑̓̌ͤĬ̸͇̖͈͒̃Gͧ͊̈́­̮̠̟͖̝̩H̽͌̀T͚̹̝̐ͬ̂̔̄ ̿̈́̊̃ͦ͆͑A̘̝̖ͪͯ́̀ͣ̿̃͝I̟͑ͬR̡͎̩̚ ̠̪̈́̑̏̏̋C̯̲ͩ́͐͒͂ͪ͜Ä͍̜̣̼̹́͌̋̀͒͂ͅ­N̅͐̆ͪ̓̋ͩ ̣ͮͧͧ͌Ả̼̤̜̫̩̜̾̕L͓͓̺̤̘̠̀W̷͗͂ͦ̾͒­̭̯̼A̘͓̰̠͉͇̬Y̵̒ͧͩ̇ͅS ̦̻̯̟̮̭̟̓̒͑͋C̮̱͔͔̖̯ͦͧͨ͋̑A̤ͩ̉̅ͪR­̞͉̣̦̪̜̮͛̉̎̀ͩ̍̇R̢̥̳̝̟̺̣̈Y͗͋̅͏͇̳­̪͎̺ ̭͈͍̝̣͍̒̎̑͘O̖̗͇̲̲̖͊̈́̿ͨ͑ͅN̩̰͉͍͍͖­͙E̩̹̣̰̣͓̖̽̊͡ ̲̮͔̯̦̋̿ͧͫ̓ͅM͇̌͌̔́O̱̫̯̬̤̗̲͛R̙̽E­̥̦̫̺͙̩̏̒ͯͭ́ ̖̫̯͉̱ͣͯͩ͊͐͆ͫS̰̿̊̑̋ͩ̇ͅC̘̣̜͍̆̆ͧ͜­R̞̾͐̋̆̚Ë̡͇̓A̙͈M̡̤̙̈ TALK - Okay, look at Rare Truffle for example. There are several problems which need to be addressed if you guys are going to use this template: Rows that will not apply to each Heartless need to be made optional, or at the very least, blankable. N/A is an ugly term, and it is too much to expect new editors to remember to use it. The text needs to automatically be white if people are going to be linking things. The missing entries needs to be added. While I vehemently disagree on which template is more aesthetically pleasing, that's really not something people can come to an agreement on anyway, so whatever. But honestly, if the only problem people were having with the code I created was the organization of the cells, can you just let me modify my code to have the same functionality and safety catches, and just be in the style that you have it in now? Except for the double columns, all the code I added basically did work for us, and I never heard any complaints about it. It would be much easier to help out with coding if people could tell me what they disliked, rather then just saying it was ugly and scrapping it. Following that up - if you let me at least create a draft of my coding in the single-column style, can we hold one of your guys' polls to see which version is preferred?

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} Just try to come up with something that works and once everyone agrees that the template is finally perfect, we can use it.

KrytenKoro - "Because I knew something he didn't. I knew that I was lying. Seriously, sir. 'No silicon heaven'? Where would all of the calculators go?" TALK - I did try that, and then instead of telling me what fixes were desired, all of my work was erased - even the stuff that did nothing but clean up poor coding.

KrytenKoro - You should have figured out whether bodies age without their hearts, Nomura. TALK - Can I assume that only the layout was problematic, and change my code to the original layout for now?

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} Yeah, the layout is why I thought it looked odd in the first place.

Final mix images

Does anyone want me to make the final mix image tabbable within the KH tab? So that, when you open up the KH tab, you can see both the regular and FM version of the enemy.Glorious CHAOS! 01:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} How would that look?

[1] Except with images instead of text.Glorious CHAOS! 03:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds good. Is there a way to fit in the enemy sprite from CoM? -Azul ^{(talk ・contribs)} 07:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I could have it use the enemy sprite for the CoM infobox image.

On a similar note, would "fm=yes" be easy enough to remember for it to switch from "Category:Kingdom Hearts enemies" to "Category:Kingdom Hearts Final Mix enemies"? What would work easiest for you guys?Glorious CHAOS! 19:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Game Section

Now that we have tabs for the stats and the game name is at the top, should the "Game" section be removed? -Azul ^{(talk ・contribs)} 06:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

How would we communicate that the enemy appears in Final Mix, not the original English or Japanese versions of KH?Glorious CHAOS! 06:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I am terribly sorry Kryten, I completely forgot about Final Mix. -Azul ^{(talk ・contribs)} 07:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

There's no need to apologize, I'm serious. I mean, do we even care about communicating that in the infobox, or do we just want to consider it a "KH enemy", and then mention that it was an FM enemy in the text?Glorious CHAOS! 07:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable. -Azul ^{(talk ・contribs)} 22:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

It should be optional for the templates in which an enemy only appears in one game, since we don't use the tabs for them. Guardian Soul 00:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Remind me tonight and I'll fix it. I have to go on a trip today.Glorious CHAOS! 11:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Progress

I've gone over all of the KH1 enemy infoboxes and made sure they were correct; all of KH1 is done besides the Coliseum-only stats, which we were going to design a new infobox for. I'll finish up the KH2 stats, then start on that infobox.Glorious CHAOS! 20:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} About the KH2 infoboxes, are you cool with how they look? I've been personally finding them sort of ugly, but I know that it's difficult when it comes to KH2 stats. What do you think?

KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living." TALK - I'm fine with them, but if you have an idea for how you want them to look, I could whip it up and we could put it up for discussion.

Would anyone want me to set up the katakana bit as done here? I plan on going back through and checking all the kana names after finishing the KH2 infoboxes anyway, so it could get done then, and would be somewhat more organized than using a nihongo template to start off every article.Glorious CHAOS! 16:29, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, all we have left to check are:

• Chain of Memories enemies and bosses
• KH2 Bosses
• Coliseum enemies and bosses
• Disney enemies
• Nobody bosses (Twilight Thorn, basically)

The last three we will need new infoboxes for, but we can make a copy of CharacterBoss as CharacterEnemy. Twilight Thorn could also work as simply a regular Nobody template, though we'd have to insert the boss category somewhere. For the coliseum infobox, I'm thinking shades of yellow and blue, with some art of the coliseum pillars for the borders - I'll start working on the actual layout once I get done with the KH2 bosses, but I'll need help with the art, unless we just want to give up on that and say "shades of yellow and blue".Glorious CHAOS! 12:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Coliseum

KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy." TALK - As far as I remember, no normal Heartless in any Kingdom Hearts seed has stats and resistances specifically for that seed - they are identical to its normal appearance stats. No Heartless appears only in the Coliseum, and no normal Heartless gives up a reward when it is defeated. Is this true? If so, the stat list in the Coliseum template is a duplicate of the normal stat list, and will be filled by filling the normal stat list.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 15:37, 24 August 2009 (UTC) That is true.

Heartless/COM

Azul81677 - "Ebil minds think ebily alike." - A collaboration between 2 very ebil minds TALK - {{{time}}} Is it possible for there to be a place for the sprite of the enemy somewhere on the template?

CharacterBoss

Do we want to have anything with the "type" box for this page, like whether the boss is FF or Disney?Glorious CHAOS! 07:33, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Nah, it isn't really necessary. Guardian Soul 23:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! The automatic 'x's need to be removed from the multipliers. In the case of Hades (and others), the word Absorb needs to be written without the automatic 'x'.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! Thanks to whoever removed the auto-'x's from the template! I have a feeling it was Kryten... ^_^

CharacterBoss/KHII

Azul81677 - "Ebil minds think ebily alike." - A collaboration between 2 very ebil minds TALK - 03:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC) Since this is for a boss of a character, should both the boss page and the article itself be under a character category?

We don't always have separate pages, though, such as for Hydra or Cerberus. However, if it is making a mess of things, the char category can be removed here and added manually to the appropriate pages.Glorious CHAOS! 05:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes please. -Azul ^{(talk ・contribs)} 00:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

BBS Draft

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