Talk:Shadow Stalker and Dark Thorn

Where does it state that the Shadow Stalker is a Pureblood Heartless?```CyberXIII

Maybe it's assumed due to it's lack of emblem. Scottch 18:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Gnut2.0 - It is the fate of a Nobody...And a Heartless...Anyone who gets in the way really... TALK - An entity shrouded in mystery...And idioms Well, in the playbook, the creature is in the Heartless section. Added on to the point that it has no Embelm from eny which angle and you got a Pureblood heartless.

Two Heartless

Come on, isn't this two different Heartless? They have seperate names, different strategies, etc. Why do we have them on the same article? --LegoAlchemist 21:40, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Have you ever played KH2? if so you know that when you defeat Shadow Stalker he becomes the dark thorn--Xabryn 23:04, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

We used to have them on two separate pages (KHFR still has them on two separate pages, mind you). The only reason why we fused them together is because of continuity : the Shadow Stalker doesn't give any rewards, and it still takes place in the same arena. TROISNYX AMDG 01:45, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that's very nice and all, but it's like putting Possessor and its variations all on one page. You're fighting all of them at once, so why not stick em all there? Jeez. --LegoAlchemist 22:49, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

The journal entry explicitly says that they are the same Heartless, if that helps. Not just the same species.Glorious CHAOS! 01:45, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

How about World of Chaos, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, and Xehanort's Guardian? They're all technically the same Heartless (maybe not Ansem...). Maybe we should splash them all on one page.

I get that Shadow Stalker changes into Dark Thorn, and is fought right after it, but still, they're still seperate. It's still two boss fights. Two boss fights, two Heartless. This one is special, however, because one changes into the other. --LegoAlchemist 01:54, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Xehanort's Guardian appears without Ansem, and World of Chaos is not a permanent part of Ansem (it operates as a summoned warship, for example). Dark Thorn and Shadow Stalker are literally the same thing, more like "Xemnas, Xemnas (Armor), Xemnas (Dragoon)", and are a single character.Glorious CHAOS! 03:16, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

...But the World of Chaos is Xehanort. Either that, or his Guardian. Sound familier? If Xemnas's "Dragoon" is a part of him, I don't see why World of Chaos and Ansem aren't one.

...That isn't even the point! Ugh, whatever. --LegoAlchemist 03:33, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

In a similar vein, why are the Guard Armor and Opposite Armor on separate pages? They, like the Shadow Stalker and Dark Thorn, are just two phases of one boss battle, aren't they? It's the same Heartless changing shape.LapisLazuliScarab05:44, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

JUST THE EXAMPLE I NEEDED! Yeah, what about that? Is that a point-prover right there? --LegoAlchemist 05:56, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

For the record, I get why the Shadow Stalker and Dark Thorn share a page, just not why the Opposite Armor and Guard armor don't. I'd like to think it's just an oversight.--LapisScarab 05:58, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

... crap. Eh, whatever. I'm just going to drop this whole matter. I leave with a final, "THEY'RE TWO FRICKEN HEARTLESS FOR PETE'S SAKE". --LegoAlchemist 06:12, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

I can see it being reasonable to merge Opposite Armor and Guard Armor, and possibly Possessor and Massive Possessor. The only problem I see is that "Not all Guard Armor are Opposite Armor" and "Not all Opposite Armor are Guard Armor" (Hades Cup). So, it's certainly possible and logical to merge them, but this, at the least, is a more specific and unique example.

However, merging Guard Armor/Opposite Armor, Possessor/Massive Possessor seems like it may be messy. Then again, finding a way to split this article would also be messy. I can go along with either of the three options (Split all of them, merge all of them, keep Possessor/Thresholder and Shadow Stalker/Dark Thorn), but I personally prefer the third.Glorious CHAOS! 06:57, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Also: Oh, sorry, I meant to say "Xemnas (Final)", not Dragoon.Glorious CHAOS! 06:57, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

That's fantastic. --LegoAlchemist 07:02, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

The part you said with not all Guard Armors are Opposite Armors also goes for the Possessors. Not all Possessors are Thresholder. - JTD 10:42, 16 February 2011 (EST)

Attacks (via Ultimania)

Shadow Stalker

• Wave of Darkness (闇の波動) [window attack] ― ひそんだ窓から前方へ波動を放つ
• Chandelier attack (シャンデリア攻撃) [chandelier drop] ― シャンデリアを床に落とす
• Flame emission (火炎放射) [chandelier flame attack] ― 炎を放つシャンデリアを回転させる
• Swallow (飲みこみ) [floor attack] ― 床から光を放ったあと、ソラを飲みこむ
• Scratch (引っかき) [pillar attack] ― 柱を引っかくように動かす

Dark Thorn

• Claw attack (ツメ攻撃)
• Servant of Darkness (暗黒のしもべ)
• Swing (振りまわし) [triggers "Slingshot" RC]
• Chandelier attack (シャンデリア攻撃)

I'll update it. Chitalian8 23:05, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm listing the attacks from the Bradygames guide below; I saw in the article talk page that we were wondering about these:

Shadow Stalker

• Darkness Surge - Energy surge when merged with window
• Chandelier Attack - Drop chandelier to the floor
• Flame Shot - Spin chandelier, emitting fire
• Swallow - Swallow Sora after trapping him with light
• Hook - Possess pillar and drag-attack

Dark Thorn

• Claw Attack - Claw attack in spinning or drilling lunge
• Dark Servant - Spirit bomb leaps from ground
• Swing Around - Grab Sora and fling him away
• Chandelier Attack - Drop chandelier and spin it around

That's straight out of the guide. It seems like most attack names were "Americanized" from the Ultimania. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 16:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)