Editing KHWiki talk:Mirage Arena

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== What exactly is Joint Struggle? ==

{{SC|time=02:16, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=Please elaborate.}}

{{ST|text=the way i understand it, it's where they take the winners from the past MA battles and pit them against each other Keyblade War style}}

{{Chitalian8|time=02:32, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text= Are we gonna use a randomizer to pick the seeds? One thing that has piqued my curiosity is will there be things like "Vanitas vs. Radiant Garden"? Because honestly, I don't know how that's gonna play out. World vs. Character, Song vs. World, how will those kinds of matches happen?}}
:Pretty much what ShadowsTwilight said. Yes, the seeds will be randomized, so it's anybody's guess as to how it's going to play out. We've been planning the Joint Struggle since the conception of the Mirage Arena itself, and I'm hoping it'll be well received. You can expect the brackets and revised rules sometime this week, and the tournament should open in a week or so. After it's all over, we're gonna take a bit of a break from the Mirage Arena, and have a community-wide forum on how this first round went, and what we can improve on/fix. We've got a surprise waiting in the wings for all of you, so be on your toes... {{KKDSig|1}}

==Warnings==
{{SilverCrono|time=20:23, December 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_Wiki_talk:Mirage_Arena/Archive_1#MA_Warning_templates_.3F I know TNE asked this before], but I wanna know if we need them. I've read threats to people, like "One more and you get a warning!" or something like that, so I wanted to know if you guys wanted me to make some templates. I'd be happy to do it.}}

==Edit Count==
{{Asif|confused=I know that I don't have enough edits to vote yet, but I just have one or two questions. The rules ask users to check for Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and MediaWiki edits; however, the edit count lists them as Main, Talk, User, User Talk, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, Kingdom Hearts Wiki Talk, File, Template, Help, and Forum edits.  Might the rules be adjusted to work with these names (I don't know how many card, walkthrough, etc. edits I have, which makes it fairly confusing).  Also, are we counting the edits we've made on other Wikia wikis as valid?}}
Worry not, my friend. In the break time we will take after the Join Struggle Tournament ends we will discuss and revise the rules and the edit count thing might just fall on ground. [[User:Redeemer &amp; Destroyer|Redeemer &amp; Destroyer]] 20:25, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
:For the time being at least, no, other Wikis are not counted. This Wiki only.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}20:58, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

== Time to open. ==

{{R&D|time=18:05, 10 February 2011 (EST)|happy=So we are here at the new KHWiki. And it's obviously time to re-open the MA. So I guess it's ok the start the nominations for the first battle of the Second Round! Or should we wait Friday (tomorrow)?}}
{{SC|time=18:10, 10 February 2011 (EST)|happy=Nah, start noms now.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=18:13, 10 February 2011 (EST)|text=Thursday is a random time to start noms. Starting tomorrow would give a little more time for everyone to prepare. But you're in charge of it, R&D.}}
Tomorrow it is!{{User:Demonic Saint/Sig}}
{{Asif|sho=Shouldn't we vote on a new battle box?}}
{{R&D|time=19:15, 10 February 2011 (EST)|isee=I'm not sure... hmm... I'll ask KKD.}}

== Temporary Management ==

{{Chitalian8|time=22:01, 24 April 2011 (EDT)|sad= Since DS seems to be on break, and KKD has apparently left, a few people should take care of the MA while they're gone. I suppose I could help with it a little, like updating the current battle or writing fight descriptions. Anyone else is free to assist.}}
{{Asif|shonormal=I'll help too.  I can help with archiving things and checking to see if everyone's following the nomination policy or has a high enough edit count.}}
{{DTN|time=22:11, 24 April 2011 (EDT)|text=Seems fine, especially if the arena seems to be falling behind or apart. If you two are up for the job, then by all means, go right ahead.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=03:24, 27 April 2011 (EDT)|text=I can do the battle descriptions if you want, now that I'm getting back into the swing of things a bit. }}

=== Grandeur Return ===
{{R&D|time=19:09, 2 May 2011 (EDT)|happy=<big><big><big>'''I RETURN!!'''</big></big></big> (it was grandeur after all) Thanks guys for taking care of everything during my unannounced absence. And I would appreciate you if you guys would still help me with it since my life is still not <s>boring</s> settled enough for me to focus on the MA all the time.}}
{{Asif|shohappy=Good to see you're back! And I'll be sure to still help out, don't worry.

Oh, and by the way, Command Styles are now considered weapons.  Is that okay with you?}}
{{Chitalian8|time=19:26, 2 May 2011 (EDT)|text= Welcome back! I couldn't help as much as As if, though, as schoolwork and my social life is catching up.}}
{{R&D|time=20:55, 2 May 2011 (EDT)|isee=Well, seeing that Drive Forms are considered Weapons I guess we can say that Command Styles, Shotlocks, Dimension Links, Abilities and all of the sort that is in battle but isn't a Character or Enemy falls under the Weapons category.}}

==Edit Count==
I've made enough edits, so how come my vote just dissapeared for the last battle?[[User:AlVan|AlVan]] 10:59, 1 May 2011 (EDT)AlVan
{{Asif|shoangry=Try reading the '''whole''' rule next time.

"You must have at least 145 edits before voting. Check your editcount Here, by typing in your username. <big><big><big>'''Please check for: Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and MediaWiki edits.'''</big></big></big>"

If the above were used, you would only have '''34 edits'''.  Make more edits in the above areas, and '''then''' you'll be able to vote.}}

Dude...Chill out.[[User:AlVan|AlVan]] 14:54, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

{{Asif|shosad=Sorry, that came out wrong. Didn't mean it to sound that angry.}}

{{LightRoxas|zero= I feel like Gallery space edits should count toward the total.}}

{{(Darth - Riku)|time=Come to the Dark Side! We have cooler Keyblades!|text=I actually feel that a Userpage shouldn't count because I spent a whole mess of edits trying to fix it and haven't really done anything for the Wiki yet. So I'm not voting till I do. Heck, maybe it doesn't count anyway...}}

== The Edit Sections ==

Ok, I know this is probably going to make me a sound like a complete and utter idiot, but could someone please tell me how to make a nedit in the Walkthrough, Card and MediaWiki category.{{User:Darkheart3/Autosig}}

You can't make an edit in the MediaWiki category, only admins can do that. There is no Walkthroughspace, but edits to a personal walkthrough count. As for the Cardspace, just go to any Card: article and edit that. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 10:49, 7 May 2011 (EDT)

So I can't edit in the Mirage Arena because i'm not an admin?{{User:Darkheart3/Autosig}}
:...you could just edit in the mainspace, or the Card space. You don't need to edit all sections. --{{SilverCrono/Sig}} 02:50, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

Ok, now i'm just damn confused. To put it simply, can I vote yet?{{User:Darkheart3/Autosig}}
:What part don't you get? Edit the mainspace, or the cardspace, or upload some images. '''NO''', you cannot vote yet, because you don't have enough edits. --{{SilverCrono/Sig}} 02:56, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

Oh sorry, I see now. I have get 145 edits in either of the categories. Sorry.{{User:Darkheart3/Autosig}}

== I don't think... ==

... I still can take care of this place... life is a little insane right now... I just can't have this responsibility anymore. Please... someone take over it... I'll see if I can come back when vacation starts, but for now I'm gone... Good bye (tho, I might pass by the IRC every once in a while) {{User:Demonic Saint/Sig}}14:48, 15 May 2011 (EDT)

== Question about edit count ==
{{Kamikaze Pardee - Talk Bubble 1|time=08:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)|text=I'm wondering what exactly what one's edit count must involve in order to vote. Recently, my votes were removed from the Joint Struggle brackets and I'm wondering why. One the main page, it says:

"#<big>You must have at least '''130 edits''' before voting. Check your editcount [[Special:Editcount|Here]], by typing in your username. </big> Please check for: '''Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki,''' and '''MediaWiki''' edits.",

and when I check my edit count it says I have over the 130 required. But where my question is that is it only '''Mainspace''' edits that count or what? It does not clearly state whether that is the case or not. Thanks in advance.}}

{{Chitalian8|time=11:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC)|talk= The rules state that edits in the Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and MediaWiki spaces count. When you tally up your total edits in those spaces, you have 76 edits, which makes you ineligible for the Mirage Arena.}}

{{Kamikaze Pardee - Talk Bubble 1|time=23:20, 13 September 2011 (UTC)|text= Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I understand now.}}

{{Braviaggron|time=11:38, 5 October 2014 (UTC)|text=But when I check [[Special:Editcount|this]], I don't find all of those spaces that you mentionned. So what spaces count in the page I shown?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=14:47, 5 October 2014 (UTC)|default2=The spaces above do exist, unless you haven't edited in them at all. For example, for [[Special:EditCount/KeybladeSpyMaster|<font color=#FFFFFF>me</font>]], Walkthrough, Card, and KHWiki spaces do appear. Mainspace is also there for both of us (it appears as (Main)), as does Template. Only admins can edit MediaWiki pages, so that won't appear. Main Page is no longer its own space, so that wouldn't appear, either. And Image is replaced with File. Just thought I'd let you know for future reference.

More importantly, the conversation above is old, and is no longer relevant to the Mirage Arena. Due to low activity, the edit requirement has been lowered to 100 total edits (as seen in the official rules on the Mirage Arena page). You have 146 total edits, so if you want, you can vote in the Mirage Arena. If, as time goes by, we have more activity and a need to restrict access to the Mirage Arena, we will, and it will show on the Official Rules section. As for now, that is the edit requirement, so you don't have to worry about specific areas of the EditCount to vote.}}

{{Braviaggron|time=15:05, 5 October 2014 (UTC)|text=Okay ! Now I understand ! If that's the entire of total edits that counts, then there's no problem ! Thanks ! :)}}

==Question==
''If you are not logged in when you vote, '''your vote will be removed.'''''
But if it gets removed ¿You can log and re-add it?--{{User:Lukethehedgehog/Signature}} 20:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

== Arena "Revamp" ==

{{SidTalk|time=08:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)|kitanji= Shouldn't this arena be open to every user on the wiki? I understand if this should be a reward, but the Mirage Arena can pull in more users (who are capable of working), and that would be beneficial to this wiki. Also, the Mirage Arena can do with more voters, which would be an even bigger opportunity to pull in new contributors. }}

{{Pea14733|time=18:11, 4 February 2012 (UTC)|mrhintr= Well, they have editcount requirement to prevent sockpuppets, don't they? But It'd be great if the editcount required is lower...}}

{{17m|time=18:18, 4 February 2012 (UTC)|BeatNormal2= IMO 145 editcounts is low enough. Especially with stuff that can be done due to the merge. But yeah, making the MA public isn't a bad idea. Sockpuppets can be detected as well (and I doubt there are many here) so I don't see why not.}}

{{ErryTalk|time=18:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)|edea=The editcounts are 130 and I think that's low enough, they could be lowered to 100 if we're desperate.}}
{{Chitalian8|time=19:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)|nekutalk= I'm okay with it going as low as 80-ish, but that seems to be too low for everyone else.}}
{{LightRoxas|young=One of the reasons I actually started editing was so I could vote. Having the requirement gives users a reason to work.}}

==Keyhole Edits==
{{Coldasfire|time={{User:Coldasfire/Sig1}}21:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)|text=Do edits on the Keyhole count for your 130? I have 700 edits there, and 50ish here :P}}
{{Maggosh|flint=Does this look like the Keyhole?}}

== What happenned? ==

What happened with the arena? Is it stopped? - {{User:MateusinhoEX/SigTemplate}} 12:45, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Looks like the ideas simply stopped coming, thus there wasn't a way to continue it.--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 17:14, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

== Visual Revamp ==

So this is a tiny little suggestion - not very big!  But still!  It's just for the sake of looking pretty:  Rather than post just plain renders for the characters, why not use use the cards from Chi!?  1-They're pretty!  2-They're more dynamic!  3-Just about every character in the franchise is covered.  4-If they aren't, ''I'll just make it!''  Yay or nay?  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 03:44, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:I'm afraid I just don't see the appeal. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:49, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::[http://www.khwiki.com/File:Riku_KHII.png This] or [http://www.khwiki.com/images/1/18/Card_00000882_KHX.png this]?  Yeah...I mean, don't worry about it lol.  It's just a small suggestion, and I made it full well that visual appeal can be lost on some folks.  It's not a big deal.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 04:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
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 So this is a tiny little suggestion - not very big!  But still!  It's just for the sake of looking pretty:  Rather than post just plain renders for the characters, why not use use the cards from Chi!?  1-They're pretty!  2-They're more dynamic!  3-Just about every character in the franchise is covered.  4-If they aren't, ''I'll just make it!''  Yay or nay?  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 03:44, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 :I'm afraid I just don't see the appeal. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:49, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
-::[http://www.khwiki.com/File:Riku_KHII.png This] or [http://www.khwiki.com/images/1/18/Card_00000882_KHX.png this]?  Yeah...I mean, don't worry about it lol.  It's just a small suggestion, and I made it knowing full well that visual appeal can be lost on some folks.  It's not a big deal.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 04:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
+::[http://www.khwiki.com/File:Riku_KHII.png This] or [http://www.khwiki.com/images/1/18/Card_00000882_KHX.png this]?  Yeah...I mean, don't worry about it lol.  It's just a small suggestion, and I made it full well that visual appeal can be lost on some folks.  It's not a big deal.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 04:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
-:::not sure about that for the mirage arena [[User:Kunoichi101|Kunoichi101]] ([[User talk:Kunoichi101|talk]])
-== Banner ==
-Dunno, how many of you guys can see this. But with photobucket's current policy, it messed with how the banner for the Mirage Arena appears. It's just a minor annoyance, but can be get around by a right click.--[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 03:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
-:Yeah, it's pretty publicly visible. We're working on a replacement plan for the most widely used images and such, hopefully will be in place by next month. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 05:48, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
-== A bit quiet these days ==
-Shame there's so little activity on the Wiki these days, not many votes here as result.--[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 14:11, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
-== What to do with Mirage Arena ==
-i know it's been a long time since then. as the only member of Mirage Arena, should we continue or start over the battle page etc? i advise SilentHero-san to discuss on this talk page as possible.[[User:Kunoichi101|Kunoichi101]] ([[User talk:Kunoichi101|talk]]) 20:19, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
-:Honestly, I've lost interest in maintaining the Mirage Arena. You're free to take over yourself or find someone else who wants to. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)