Editing Forum:Staff Election

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{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)|default=In September's roundtable, we couldn't come to a conclusion whether we wanted the staff election or not. Instead, we decided to open a petition to help us judge. If it receives many votes, we'll interpret the positive reaction as a "yes" to having a staff election. If the result is underwhelming, the election will not go on. To clarify, this petition will only decide whether we want an election or not. It'll be the current staff who'll nominate the new staff. That is if the election takes place anyway. 

To sum up: if you are in favour of a staff election, add your signature below.

'''EDIT''': We're implementing a new system. Now, you can vote for ''or'' against so everyone should get involved and voice their opinion.}}

==Votes==
===FOR===
#{{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}}
#{{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}}
#{{User: Master Riku the Bloody/Sig1}}
#{{User:TheSilentHero/Sig1}}

===AGAINST===

==Discussion==
Should we have a "Votes FOR" and "Votes AGAINST" or keep it as it is now? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
:I think the former, as it gives opportunity to voice why not. We'll also be able to tell the difference between not wanting an election, and general site inactivity. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 19:29, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
::Done. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:40, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Remind me, what called this on? What projects need "staff power" help? {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 19:59, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
:There hasn't been a particular ignition trigger, however with more staff leaving/becoming inactive, an extra helping hand would be useful to slightly relieve the workload of the current staff. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 20:08, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Imo, any respected and well known community member should be able to apply for a staff position at any time (with an obvious limit to how often you can apply), it's then up to the community to decide to be for it or against it. No special elections should be needed, it's just a bureaucratic speed bump. <span style="font-weight: bold">[[User:Sove|<span style="color: #00FF7F">So</span>]][[User talk:Sove|<span style="color: #00FF00">ve</span>]]</span> 20:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

I want to re-iterate that I only asked this (originally) in part to see if the staff felt they needed the extra help, even if it's temporarily. So, in part, I'd especially like to hear/see the staff's opinions/feelings toward this. The other part is, as mentioned, because of some projects (the first one that comes to mind being [[Forum:Inappropriate Capitalization|this one]]) extensively require the help of the staff, but it's being done by several users, and then left to one or two staff members to complete. Not to mention, ''Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX'' is coming out soon, and with all the {{hover|new content from ''Kingdom Hearts Re:coded''|Have you guys heard of the new secret movie?}}, we're gonna need help. But again, this relies on whether or not the staff feels they don't have any pressure/burden. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 22:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

I personally think that it should be FM. He has made so many edits, formats the grammar/writing on each page, and does what the staff members DON'T do. The king (KSM) on the other hand, pretty much takes off where Kyrten left of. He designs the theme, and is basically the "leader" here, doing what staff members should do. Basically, I think of him as a staff member already, but I agree that he should become a staff member. Or FM, but likely the king (KSM). {{User:Master Riku the Bloody/Sig1}}12:24, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
:Ah, the return of staff elections. It's been a year or two since we had one, I think... Anyways, it's obvious you guys want to have an election. Also, even though I am now a part of the inactive staff problem, I know that we have some projects/daily things to be done that can only be done by staff. However, moderator positions don't really mean much except that most moderators eventually move up to admins in a later time. I think moving Chaser and a new person to admin status would be okay, and adding a new person as moderator. This is all under the idea that an election will be held.

Also, I'm going to throw this out there very frankly. It is incredibly distasteful and insulting to point fingers and insinuate that the staff don't do stuff that "staff members should do." To be quite honest, I take offense to that statement. The staff members, especially those active, have done plenty of work in such fields that you claim we don't or have not. Check out our [http://www.khwiki.com/Special:Contributions contributions] for specifics or our [http://www.khwiki.com/Special:Editcount edit count] for a general idea. Everyone contributes with what they can. I am terrible at image editing or creation, so I don't do such things. However, I help out elsewhere- such as uploading/finding newer images, personality section writing, manga articles, moving images to Photobucket, etc. Even when we aren't editing the mainspace, we are contributing elsewhere. Be it archiving the "featured 'x'" sections, deletions, reviewing other editor's work, and the like. I understand that it is frustrating to not see the complete list of staff be active or do a ton of work. However, I ask for your understanding in that we are people outside of this Wiki. We are people with every days lives that we must keep up so we can edit on this wonderful database. Sometimes we don't always have the time necessary for big projects or edits. Also, let it be known, that if anyone has something they want to tell me, they can freely do so on my talkpage or when I'm on the IRC. You think I'm not doing enough? Let me know. You think I made a bad edit? Tell me! You think I'm a jerk? You can post that on there as well. However, I can promise you one thing, even when we aren't able to edit, we still think about what we can do for the Wiki. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 22:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I meant no offense when I said that. Of course, the Staff Members do a lot, I just find KSM just like one, doing most on this wiki. Of course, everybody plays there part. And what I meant by what Staff Members should do, I meant that he does Staff Member work, not that Staff Members don't do anything, because they do plenty, and might not have time on their hands. Of course, we couldn't go a single day without one, (if we do, it will be hard,) but I find KSM's contributions amazing, which is why I call him a king. You guys do plenty, but KSM just deserves to be a Staff Member, his edits are already like one, and he's there to cover for everyone. ^_^ Honestly, I can't describe it more. Besides, my work is nothing compared to Staff Members. Oh, and Xion, I think you're a kind, and generous person. You edit really nice, and be kind to people. You are far from a jerk. Sorry to offend anyone. {{User:Master Riku the Bloody/Sig1}} 23:06, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
:Not here to downgrade our current staff, just thinking we need another hand in our work. {{User:ANX219/Sig}} 00:02, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
*For the sake of sanity among other things, I believe that it's best to save the "who deserves to be staff" until after we've discussed the matter at hand. So this forum should be left for the simple (yet seemingly complicated) question: Should there be a staff election in the first place? Who should be elected should be discussed if and when the staff election takes place. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 04:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)|sad=Let's make it clear that we're not implying that the staff aren't good enough; I personally think they're amazing. However, as Xion said, "...we are people outside of this Wiki. We are people with every days lives that we must keep up so we can edit on this wonderful database."<ref>Heyo, notice my [[Forum:Quotation Marks|punctuation]]...</ref>  But that's the exact reason ''why'' we need more staff. A helping hand so that the staff aren't overwhelmed. If I was the manager of an understaffed restaurant, I wouldn't say that the staff need to work harder. I'd employ an extra worker to help them.

And from my perspective, there's too much work on the wiki and not enough staff to cover it. For example, the couple of staff members who do image-editing work are faced with an entire mountain of files that need moving. Additionally, there was a recent error in the site notice and it took nearly two days before an admin fixed it. I'm not blaming the staff for it; they do have lives so I completely understand that they can't always be on the wiki 24/7. However, it does mean that they could do with help to monitor the wiki and fix these things quicker. On that note, I should also point out that there is only one active staff member who frequents the IRC now and I think that there should be staff on the IRC the majority of the time so that there is always someone readily available if a user needs help. Please do correct me if I'm wrong here; due to my timezone, I'm only on the IRC for a certain period of time (usually between school and sleep) so I don't know whether more staff go on the IRC at other times. 

Lastly, there's one thing I'd like to address. There's votes "for" and "against" so you're able to vote, whichever opinion you have. Hence, not voting at all just seems lazy, to put it bluntly. If you're unsure, you can ask questions to clarify bits you're unsure about and tell us why you're in two minds. If you don't have time, okay then but I really hope that you can make the time to add your signature to vote at least. If you have no legitimate excuse, it must mean that you don't care. Hence, I encourage everyone to vote and drop in their two cents.
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