Talk:Xemnas

Single format

On the Organization XIII articles, or perhaps even all character articles in general: they really do need to have one single format. For instance, Vexen has an origin section, while everyone else does not. Speaking of, I really think the Organization XIII origins should all just be put in the actual Organization XIII article, or, everyone else can also have an origin section.

But, to get back on track, one single format can make the articles seem more orderly. Thoughts? DannyP 23:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Weaponry

Xemnas' weapon is actually not the red blades. His panel was destroyed, like Zexion, so we don't know what he uses. Plus, the Armored Controller uses a massive halberd. 63.113.61.147

Yes it is. Xemnas never even HAD a panel. Xemnas clearly uses Aerial Blades as his primary weapons. And his Armored Version doesn't count, because that's not his natural form and weaponry. Besides, Ultimania states Xemnas' weapon as such. How do you think everyone got the name?

Seriously, end of story. DannyP 15:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

(grr, edit conflict) Doesn't he use a big sword when he's all armored up? And I don't think he has a weapon panel... anyway, this is why I think it should have a section link in the infobox that goes to all the weapons he uses. Sure, his "official" weapon is aerial blades, but the infobox doesn't necessarily need to be an ultimania stats copypaste, if it had a link to relevant info about all the weapons he uses it would still be informative. I've long stopped reverting by now, but I still don't think it's a sacred thing to have the infoboxes look exactly as Ultimania does. , having it say that his weapons vary would be more clear. Scottch 15:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

But the infobox should be a description of Xemnas' natural state...especially when the picture is of his natural state (well, this isn't that serious of a point). What he uses when powered up should be something else entirely. It'd be pretty misleading otherwise. DannyP 15:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the bit about the fact that the pic is him in natural form is a pretty good point :) Makes me a lot more uncomfortable about having "aerial blades" in the infobox, so no more disagreement from me. Scottch 16:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Very well then. I admit defeat. I didn't know what the Ultimania guide said. But Xemnas' panel was smashed.CyberXIII 14:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember him having a panel,are you sure he did? Scottch 18:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Xemnas doesn't have a panel. The closest thing is that barrier preventing you from going any further. DannyP 01:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for all the trouble. I checked again, and DannyP is right. The Superior has no panel.CyberXIII 14:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Mansex

I'm sorry, but this "observation" is really just juvenile. It makes Xemnas and the content of this article seem a little ridiculous, nor is it really "humorous"--in short, it doesn't really reflect well on the Wiki. I mean, c'mon, are such ridiculous jokes like this actually funny, OR notable? DannyP 22:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• I didn't laugh real hard, but it's probably one of the most common fan jokes out there about Org XIII. I question the addition of "Dilan's name anagrams to Linda", having never heard it before, for example, but I hear the mansex one all the time. If nothing else, look how much the Xemnas part of Wikipedia:Organization XIII gets vandalized :-) Maybe it would read better if more fan-ish info was added and combined into its own section? Scottch 23:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • It doesn't matter about how well known it is. It's still really, really juvenile. Adding such things just lessens the quality of the article, in my opinion. But, for its own section, I don't really know. DannyP 21:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
• I also think we should remove it. Its very immature, not to mention annoying. -- SFH 23:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Of course I won't go alone against the wishes of two editors, but is not liking something really a good reason to not have it mentioned? I don't particularly like that Zexion and Marluxia got iced before Kingdom Hearts II, but I'm not just going to cut that info out of the articles. Scottch 23:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
    • It's not a simple matter of liking, or in this case, not liking, something. For "Mansex", it just really doesn't contribute positively to the article. People are going to see it as really juvenile, and therefore see the article in a worse light. Besides, Marluxia and Zexion's deaths do not parallel the whole thing with "Mansex", because that's in-game information that cannot be argued against. DannyP 04:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Enigmatic Soldier

What about Xemnas relationship with the ES's ally, Aqua? And let's not forget his resemblance to the ES in his Armoured Controller persona.

• Aside form him holding her armor in the Room of Sleep, there really is no relationship established yet. That would probably be best waited out until further info comes out about the who/why/whens of it all. The Patron Saint of Lost Causes 20:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Quotes

I think that Xemnas's quote chart is sort of out of place, compared to the other KHII member's. The Japanese counterparts aren't that important, and if we had that, we might as well put translations of the COM's member's quotes as well. I dunno, the difference between his and the rest of the member's quotes just seems really too... conspicuous IMHO. XienZo 01:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Xemnas:Kingdom Hearts

Do you need any specific stats in kingdom Hearts(1) for Xemnas to appear after defeating Maleficent?I really want to know the answer to this question because when I defeated Maleficent in Kingdom Hearts(1) Xemnas didn't appear and I didn't feel happy at all.

He's only in Final Mix. The Hexed

...you'll probably be even more pissed when he totally rapes Sora in the first I dunno..six times? ;)--N/A

About the controlled Nobodies

Xemnas controlls the Dusks, not sorcoress

He specifically controls sorcerors, all members control Dusks, with highest priority going to Xemnas. XienZo 02:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD! has any one else realised that Xemas is an annagram for MANSEX!!!! ARGGGHHH!! Anyway, HI!

Look up:http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Xemnas#Mansex XienZo 01:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

True emotions

Xemnas is said to be a "Special Nobody" (at least Nomura thinks so. Even the creator doesn't know!)

and at the end The Superior joins himself with Kingdom Hearts (Combined Heart) (whats left of it any way) and I'm betting that "Anger and Hate...are Supreme" comes from experience

if xemnas didn.t gain emotions when he merged with kingdom hearts it never would have.incomplete heart is better than no heart at all

Video removed

The final Xemnas battle was taken down by youtube.

Cosmic colonel 23:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Title

It seems that there is a dispute over whether or "The Superior" is his title or not. Now I've not read the Ultimania, so I can't say whether or not it would be considered his official title, but seeing as it's the only thing close to one that we've heard used, and that it just sounds outright badass, I say we credit it as his title anyway. Adaxredael 22:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

y'know that is his title. and eveytime I add it and it gets removed and replace with "N/A" this is bull crap. don't you think Adaxredael?Eliskuya2 00:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

From what the gang at Castle Oblivion said, he is The Superior. He's obviously The Superior - he can't be anything else. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Well what I'm thinking is that if Urutapu, or anyone else for that matter, can give the source in the Ultimania where it states that Xemnas has no title, than it can be stated in the article that he has no title. However, I do think that in the character template his title should be given as "The Superior", if only to keep to form. Adaxredael 03:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

• bangs head on PC* there is nothing from Ultimania saying he haves a title. its just a fake thing to do it. just put "N/A" its spam. from Urutapu anyway you can changed his title back if you like amigoEliskuya2 04:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll make the change. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

thanks troisnyxet. you are a handful with friendship :)Eliskuya2 04:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

don't mention it. all I want to see are resolved issues. no strings attached. ;-) Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Huzzah, I return and this is all cleared up. Sorry if I dragged the issue out too much, guess i was just trying to please everyone. And yeah, I think the issue stems from the fact that the Ultimania doesn't have a title with his name on the character page, so as far as I'm concerned (and it appears others are as well) "The Superior" might as well be his title. Hell, it's not like we have adhere to every line of the Ultimania's. Adaxredael 05:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Na, it's fine. :) There's still something to be left resolved, though : there's still a hidden message inside the infobox. I edited it. I need someone to go take a look. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Kharon - "Not even the deepest darkness can shroud the connection our hearts share." TALK - "My inner darkness saved me when I needed help the most." Now someone has added the title 'The Leader of the Between'. Is there any evidence to support this, or not.

It's in the opening video for 358/2 Days.—Urutapu 06:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Kharon - "Not even the deepest darkness can shroud the connection our hearts share." TALK - "My inner darkness saved me when I needed help the most." Using several online translators, all of them translate 狭間の指導者 as Leader of Interim.

KrytenKoro - "Because I knew something he didn't. I knew that I was lying. Seriously, sir. 'No silicon heaven'? Where would all of the calculators go?" TALK - ...which has the exact same meaning. Seriously, that's why you should translate with an online dictionary, not with babelfish. It allows you to actually do contextual translation, instead of having the machine pick out a non-grammatical, barely-contextual phrase.

Ruler

KrytenKoro - Click TALK - When, and of what, exactly?

I didn't put that category there. But come to think of it, wasn't he the one who usurped Ansem the Wise's leadership ? By banishing Ansem to the Realm of Nothingness, his Heartless became the ruler of what was then known as Hollow Bastion, whilst his Nobody took charge of The World that Never Was. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? That's where you're wrong TNE. First off, Xehanort banished Ansem the Wise before separating his being. Xemnas is the ruler of the aptly-named World That Never Was. Ansem (the Heartless) does not control Hollow Bastion after Good Ansem was banished, Maleficent took control. Bad Ansem controls the End of the World, the Heartless-infested nebula that acts as the final level in Kingdom Hearts. He only was in Hollow Bastion once and that was for other purposes than ruling.

I can't place in the language setting !

I've noticed that Kingdom Hearts (world) has a dropdown menu in the sidebar that also leads to its German equivalent. Some command [[de:PAGENAME]] is required to activate it, I think. Now, I've almost finished editing the French equivalent of the Xemnas article, and User:Unbirth will help me correct the grammar and all, if there are any anomalies. I'm not sure how to add on to the dropdown menu at the side. Worse still, when I type [[fr:Xemnas]] in the same fashion as done in the Kingdom Hearts article, it doesn't work ! I tried doing the same thing in the French KHWiki but it didn't work. What I really wanna do is link the articles from both wikis together. Anyone here who knows how to help me, please do - it'd be very much appreciated ! This monster... This is no Unversed. Just a dweller of Darkness. • TroisNyxÉtienne

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...{{{time}}} Honestly, I have no clue...have you tried looking through Wikia's help?

Tried, but to no avail...... I can't seem to find the right code to put in to link to the francophone wiki. Worse still, now I'm on Wikia Help and I don't even know where to go, or what to do. I practically learned my wikimarkup through trial and error. But trial and error doesn't seem to work here...... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Zoro-XI - So, you have come this far and still you understand nothing. Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness! TALK - Still confused? Then perhaps this will enlighten you! Perhaps this will help you. http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Interlanguage_links

Zoro-XI - So, you have come this far and still you understand nothing. Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness! TALK - Still confused? Then perhaps this will enlighten you! This code might help too. Languages <select onchange="WidgetLanguagesHandleRedirect(this);"><option value="0">English</option><option value="http://de.finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_%28Ort%29">Deutsch</option></select>

Thanks. I'll give it a try and let you all know about the outcome. It is rather funny what I would do for honey. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Okay, the second code didn't work. I'm going to check the Help:Interlanguage links page and see if that works. EDIT : I tried the first one before starting this discussion - I tried putting [[fr:Xemnas]] but it came as a red link, when all I wanted it to do was link to the Xemnas page. Then I tried the second one, but it seemed to come out as visible wikimarkup. So I removed it. Think you can help me on that one ? EDIT : Not to mention that I did that thrice, and it didn't work ! Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Hi. Sorry that I don't have a cool talk bubble! Inter-language links need to be enabled by staff before they will work. I've now enabled them for all languages of this wiki (English, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, and German), so they will be usable soon. Unfortunately due to caching, any that were already in use won't start working for a day or two, so French isn't working right now, but it should magically fix itself soon. Please let me know here if it still doesn't at the end of the week. Angela<staff /> (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I was just about to ping you for help when I saw your message. Thanks so much, Angela-san. Man, I just hope this works...... It is rather funny what I would do for honey. • TroisNyxÉtienne

It's working now! Angela<staff /> (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Angela. Thank you so much ! It is rather funny what I would do for honey. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. Crap, I'm the founder of the french kh wiki and I missed the whole discussion. >_<

Don't worry...... At least you now know what the [[en:]] thingamajig is for. I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne

True Intentions?

Morghman - Now! Let's savor the utmost of suffering together! TALK - As the other dies, their agony radiates through my body, and living through it is pure ecstasy! I know that Organization 13's general goal is to become full beings again, but I read somewhere that Xemnas really just wanted to take over the universe. It makes sense too, he and the other apprentices purposely gave up their bodies, so why would they want to become whole again. So if anyone knows what Xemnas was really planning, can ya please shed some light on this subject?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Oh, that's simple. First, the Organization didn't really intend to become Nobodies, it just turned out that way because they need subjects to test their experiments, well the first six. It was mistake, and they want their hearts back. As for Xemnas's true goal for the whole universe thing, I just don't know. I'm sorry.

See, the story of Seymour in Final Fantasy X and Xehanort's (Xemnas') story here are related, in one way : Both of them were given power. Seymour had an aeon from his mother's fayth. Xehanort had superhuman capabilities and added trust from Ansem the Wise. Both of them thirsted for more power. And ultimately, what do you get out of this ? Megalomaniacs, that's what. You keep on thirsting for more until it eats into you like a vicious cycle. And so it was with all parts of Xehanort. At the end of the day, he thirsted for more knowledge on hearts, and ultimately, Kingdom Hearts. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

"I'm creating a brand new world,one heart at a time"

"nothingness is eternal"

"Hear me, Kingdom hearts!It seem we must begin anew.Ah,but know this:I will give to you as many hearts as it takes.Mark my words!You can no more be complete without me than I without you.Heed me, Kingdom hearts!Lend me your power so that we may be complete!The power to erase the fools that hinder us...Hearts quivering with Hatred...Hearts burning with Rage...Hearts scarred by Envy... (what a talker...)

"that fool Ansem said that the heart's true nature was beyond his understanding,but It's not beyond mine!Hearts are the source of all Power!"

"Anger and hate...are supreme"

Morghman - Now! Let's savor the utmost of suffering together! TALK - As the other dies, their agony radiates through my body, and living through it is pure ecstasy! As the dude above me clearly pointed out though, Xemnas obviously liked anger and hate, and wanted to make his own world. I think that kinda proves Xemnas's intentions. Now that you think about it, Marluxia was planning to overthrow the Organization so he could rule instead, there'd be no point for him to take over if they wanted to be human again, since in the end they would all return to normal.

Good points but i think the key quotes here are Xemnas:"Hearts are the source of all power" and Sora:"there's more to a heart than just anger and hate". In xemnas' mind, Hearts=power and Anger+Hate=Heart.

First and last

Anyone find it odd that not only Xemnas was the first and final member to fought, but he was also the first and last Organization member to be revealed. He was the first to appear onscreen but the last to unveil his identity. Kaihedgie 04:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? He wasn't fought first nor did he appear first. Axel was fought first and Marluxia appeared first (hooded of course). If this is a Final Mix-only thing tell me because I do not own it.

Xemnas first appeared in Kingdom Heats Final Mix, which was released two years before Chain of Memories. Kaihedgie 06:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Dude. Do you really expect anyone to read your comments when your text is yellow on white, of all things?—Urutapu 06:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Me? Mine's yellow over blue.

Unnecessary Roughness

Trivia Snip: "...In the short cut-scene just after the laser dome attack Sora uses his and Riku's Keyblades in unison to snap Xemnas' spine and then impale his chest with a beam of light. However when the cut-scene ends Xemnas is still shown to be (barely) alive."

A lot of this piece of "trivia" is erroneous and more graphic than the truth of it really is. A beam of Light pierces him, he reels from it, and slowly disappates like the other Organization members did. Claiming it "snaps his spine and impales his chest" is both an incorrect retelling of the events and unnecessarily graphic, isn't it? Can someone edit this to make it more factual?203.205.125.204 13:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? That's what it looked like to me. For one Sora was bashing the heck out of him with the 2 Keyblades and looking at all that brute force unleashed, slamming dual Keyblades with that much strength against the back cannot be a good thing for the spine. However the chest impalement is true. Just play the game again or watch the video on Xemnas (Enemy). The beam of light goes flying right through him. Impalement, last time I checked, is when something seriously, if not mortally, wounds someone by going right through a body part.

Maybe, but Xemnas also gave Riku a few slugs across the jaw, which could have very likely broken it. No one says jack about that. Why? Because there's no proof. Xemnas, Riku, and Sora, all beat the tar out of one another the entire fight. Stating that Xemnas' spine was "snapped" and he was "impaled" implicate a lot of highly debatable context, and I for one didn't hear the sound effect of a bone breaking. In reality, all we know is that Sora laid up on him, and he and Riku shot Xemnas with a piercing burst of Light. Why add in details which only paint a violent picture when one isn't necessary, or confirmed to have happened? Facts over speculation, says I. 203.105.95.93 08:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Can Nobodies (or any disney character) be said to have spines?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Yes, and what kind of question is that? Everyone must have a spine.

you haven't watched many disney cartoons lately have you?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... I'm just saying, why wouldn't they have a spine?

I'm just saying that a lot of things happen in disney that isn't technically anatomically, or physically correct.whether or not they possess said organ isn't so much the issue as whether said organ would react the same to being whaled on, as in real life, as opposed to just being something for the moment(a disney character can be nearly catatonic one moment and standing as if it never hapened, the next.)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Just leave it be.

Actually, anon brings up a good point. Heartless and Nobodies already lack body parts, either physical or metaphorically. How are we to know that Nobodies aren't simply made of lingering sentiments of their original individuals and a whole lotta living Nothingness? There's nothing that says their are physically human under the skin.203.105.95.93 06:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Good point.

What happened?

What happened to Xemnas' original title: The Superior?Winxfan1 16:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

Well, my fellow anon, it appears that the japanese version of Days puts his title as this.(Fifty digital bucks says the English localization puts us right back to the superior.)

What's an anon?Winxfan1 16:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

it's someone who isn't registered to a wiki. I guess I wasn't paying attention when I made that post >_>.

Thank you. Winxfan1 17:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

Anons, like I've said repeatedly (don't think I'm mad at you, since you probably wouldn't have seen it), "Superior" is simply a term of respect. Not his title.—Urutapu 01:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, the english localization might put us right back to where we started. (alternative theory: who cares?)

...why would it do that?—Urutapu 13:14, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

why wouldn't it?(and when hasn't it?)

Because Square is one of the few companies you can count on for real quality localization (they also have Disney backing them, which is probably the reason we get real actors to do the voice track). And it's a very stupid assumption to make that they would cut three words from an FMV.—Urutapu 13:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Bodyguard

I have noticed a small edit war going on over the idea of Saix & Xigbar or Luxord being bodyguards to Xemnas the edit that keeps happening is between the three pages and always states Saix to be one, but keeps changing to Luxord or Xigbar being the other. Now two things id like answered where does it actually state any of them are bodyguards to Xemnas ? (As much as i love Saix & Luxord if they are there not that good at it) I mean i remember them appearing in Yen Sids tower but i dont remember him actually saying "Oh these are his bodyguards, id show you the rest but im to old to remember" The otheer simply being if they are, who is the right pair ?—Ximodnic 19:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Morghman - Now! Let's savor the utmost of suffering together! TALK - As the other dies, their agony radiates through my body, and living through it is pure ecstasy! Ya, why does everyone keep saying those are his bodyguards? Last I recall, Marluxia was scared to fight Xemnas even with Axel and Larxene. Why would somebody THAT strong need bodyguards?

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Even the most powerful of people need bodyguards. It's always good to have a human(oid) shield around in case any assassin with projectile weapons come along.

I completely agree i mean it was most likely that some of the members were indeed bodygaurds, or atleast along those lines/did it anyway. I would just like to know why it keeps reappering ? i mean if i was Xemnas (oh how i wish) id probally consider better ones, i mean Xigbars a good choice and maybe Xaldin., coz lets face it as much as Luxord and Saix are my favourtie members.......not the worlds best bodyguards.?—Ximodnic 19:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The proper two, as shown by Yen Sid, are Saix and Xigbar. You can tell by their stances and how their robes are shaped. Luxord, while a high-ranking member, wasn't shown to be his "bodyguard", though he did last longer than Xigbar in the timeline of events.203.105.95.93 08:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok ill accept that because you can tell by there stances but where does it actually say there his bodyguards, i mean it might look like that but at no point does anyone says "Oh yeah these two are my bodyguards, the others just kinda follow me around"?—Ximodnic 15:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Just off the top of my head for the final 3 members killed before Xemnas and their role: Saix: second-in-command; Xigbar: Xemnas' bodyguard (presumably on break when he got into the fight with Sora); Luxord: the Castle That Never Was' chief-of-security

...Okay, there is absolutly no way you could know what their "jobs" were at the castle, though Siax does clearly seem to be second-in-command. I think that they were all there because they had to defend the casle from Sora and company, not because they were doing their jobs. And even if those were their jobs, it makes no sense to even have the role of chief-of-security for a place that'd never been invaded before Sora came there, and I can't honestly expect Xemnas to allow Xigbar, or anyone a break, especially when their home is being attacked by the only beings that pose a threat to them. Plus, they can't be his actual bodyguards, since they were all sent out on missions away from the castle at one time or another (Luxord at Port Royal, Siax chasing Kairi around and appearing before Sora at Twilight Town, and Xigbar going to the Land of Dragons). Also, anyone else find it interesting how the two other Organization members shown next to Xemnas at Yen Sid's tower are the (presumebly) second-in-command and the member that is the actual number two? I'm guessing that Xemnas must have assigned the origonal six numbers intentionally, and Xigbar was his second-in-command way back when. Then Siax came along, the first nobody to join them that wasn't in that origonal accident, and Xemnas thought him to be more capible than Xigbar. That's my guess, anyway. And if you don't agree with me, I'll just give you blunt trauma through the use of a giant key until the concussion convinces you that I am right. Of course, no matter whether I am right or not, we can't put that speculation into the article, but at least it'll give the people looking at the discusion page some solace. 69.205.62.182 18:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)The soon-to-be member that as of yet still lacks a name

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? I was actually just taking wild guesses as to who had what job. However odds are that Xigbar is probably "third-in-command" because he does seem to be one of the most competent members. I mean really he actually managed to nearly get rid of the Land of Dragons and get away while only appearing once. Saix seems pretty badass too as he took out Riku and Kairi while barely moving at all. That being said I think Xigbar might have the role of a chief enforcer since odds are he didn't take on Sora by coincidence (also it wouldn't have made a difference whether or not Sora was dead since Riku and Mickey both wielded Keyblades). These are all just theories though. Also I noticed that some of the more sarcastic and easygoing members have their zippers higher such as Xigbar, Axel and Demyx. Also considering Xigbar's laidback attitude I think that he just stepped down from head honcho next to Xemnas so he could have some more free time.

Really though, we can only speculate what the Organization was doing in their free time, thier jobs, everything. Perhaps the upcomming 358/2 Days cold fill out some info. I guess we'll just have to wait until it comes out. Keyblade Mage 12:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

I don’t think its entirely untrue that the members have jobs alongside there duties. I mean would you trusts Dusk’s to run that massive castle. Though that did just give me the amusing image of Luxord doing paper work while Axel flicks paper clips at him. Funnily I do agree with you, unnamed man that Xigbar very well could have been Second in command until Saix appeared but I’ve always thought Xaldin kept a high rank. I mean Xigbar bickers with others, not exactly something you’d want your 2nd to be doing whereas Xaldin throws his Lance at Axel for not following orders, pretty high ranking if you ask me maybe 3rd behind Saix?—Ximodnic 14:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? Xaldin also seems to be the chief enforcer as well. Both of them were sent to look for neophytes to run Castle Oblivion. They also seem to be quite trustworthy as you don't really allow people you don't trust to take out a Keyblade master. That being said I think Zexion also seems to have a high rank. I think ranking goes as far as Xemnas trusts these guys. So in that sense he's probably good pals with Saix (that would also mean that Marluxia has the lowest ranking in the Organization). Think about it how many people would you actually trust to take out the Keyblade master, destroy the Land of Dragons, take on the badass Beast and keep an eye on the Grim Reaper wannabe of a member? Answer: Not many.

Its worrying how much we agree Flashpenny, Zexion to me along with Saix, Xaldin & Luxord is one of Xemna’s most trusted. I belive if it had not been for Axel (in Re:Com) he would still have been alive to have met and fought Sora. I mean he out lives Marluxia who was lets face it the main villain of that series and clearly didn’t fear Xemnas as much as Vexen did which probably should he was closer to him. As far as the actual point of this (long ago) it seems to have been resolved and now just mentions about who appeared besides him, I is happy.—Ximodnic 17:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Xemnas's age

Xemnas isn't the oldest in Organization 13, Vexen is,Which is clarified in the Chain Of Memories Manga,Plus It's said that Zexion's the youngest apprentice, and Saix is older than him. Going by what was said in Personaliy,your saying Zexion is older than Saix.

I think your misreading or it isn’t made clear that he is the oldest NOBODY the chances are he was the first to be turned into one given his role as head of Organisation, not the oldest in terms of age.Same with Zexion, Zexion being an original apprentice is likely to have become a nobody before Saix, Same way Luxord is probably older than Axel or Demyx but became a nobody after them, so Axel is an older nobody than Luxord (This all assuming they became nobodies at different times of course) A last point is that the Manga isn’t as canon as you should take it, I mean Marluxia is only battled once and Larxene wasn’t defeated in that way. Also as a side note *not just to you* someone now keeps changing Xemnas personality back and forth, can people please discuss a change before starting an edit war. >:( —Ximodnic 14:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Holding back?

I noticed that Xemnas was seemingly goin' all out on Sora in Final Mix, usin' all kinds of crazy attacks, but in KHII, he only ever attacks with his aerial blades in his normal form.

Also, what's this talk of Infinity providing an ability? Kaihedgie 01:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Infinity is the only pair of aerial blades in 358/2 Days that has an ability attached to it.—Urutapu 02:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

And that ability is...? Kaihedgie 03:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

...are you too lazy to click a link? I'm not justifying you with an answer.—Urutapu 05:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

You don't need to be rude about it. Some of us don't even have the game nor can some of us read Japanese not to mention no actual article was written about it. And when you say 'I won' justify you with an answer', it makes you seem like a dork.Kaihedgie 06:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

It's Risky Combo.Glorious CHAOS! 12:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I know what it's called, I just don't know what it does. Kaihedgie 13:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Title translation

After looking through some Re:COM cutscenes, I've realized that the Japanese word that got translated as "the Superior" was "Shidōsha" (which is "Guide" here). Do you guys think the translation should be adjusted? "Superior of the In-Between" or something?—Urutapu 19:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

HarpieSiren - Here's one for all of us TALK - It will keep us connected Well, when Days comes out in September a lot of our unofficial translations will be likely need to be changed to the official one.