Talk:Jasmine
Honorifics are usually avoided here unless they are known by that name or it is needed to designate which one - if linking is the problem, a redirect can be created. Perhaps this should be moved back to just "Jasmine"? Scottch 00:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Jasmine
"Jasmine first appears in Aladdin as the wealthy and strong-willed princess of Agrabah who is loved by everyone in her kingdom."
Her being strong-willed has nothing to do with why she's loved by everyone in the kingdom. Putting strong-willed there makes no sense for the flow of the sentence.
As far as her beauty, (1) it's not equivalent to sex, (2) calling minors beautiful is deeply engrained in every culture, and (3) even if it was equivalent to sex, age of consent is hardly universally above 16, and (4) it definitely wasn't considered or treated as skeevy in the setting of the movie.
Finally, consensus is a thing that exists. The story doesn't need an omnipotent God to come down to describe a character for it to be valid. It's a major plot point to Jasmine's character that she's widely regarded as beautiful, and that detail is part of the KH series' plot."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 18:51, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- If the word beautiful is so offensive, can't we use "strong-willed" and "spirited" from the journal entries? And, really, can't we move on to something else before subjective terminology is removed from every article on the wiki? This one word has been edited 5 times in one day already. - Joveus (talk) 18:53, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- The line isn't implying her being strong-willed is why she is loved, and if you read it that way, you misread it. Remove it if you want. Secondly, just because calling mid-teens "attractive" or "beautiful" may be a part of certain cultures or if it is considered normal in the setting of the movie (I find it rather gross you're even arguing with this angle), it doesn't mean it can't be considered skeevy by readers from a neutral point of view. Again, beauty is subjective, and I dislike how the wiki is claiming she's "beautiful" as if it's some undisputable fact. Her age just makes it even worse. Soroxas (talk) 19:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- Not picking a side here, but Snow White is called beautiful in the actual journal entries from the actual games, and she's only 14. There are many cultures in the real world that do not find a 14 year old girl with icy pale skin and red lips attractive, but that's not the point. The point is that we, the editors of the wiki, are bound within the rules of each individual story and world as they are presented to us regardless of our opinions on what is or isn't "skeevy". If the story of Aladdin and the characters of that world find Jasmine beautiful, then she is beautiful, end of story. - Joveus (talk) 19:15, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- The journal entries are often written by tone-deaf people. I wouldn't ever base my sensitivities and ethical standards simply because an English localization in some video game says so. "If the story of Aladdin and the characters of that world find Jasmine beautiful, then she is beautiful, end of story." That is impossible. That's like saying if a lot of characters in a story find eating tarantulas delicious, then tarantulas are delicious. How about if we mention that "Jasmine is considered by a lot of men, including Alladin, to be beautiful"? Seems far more neutral and dodges the skeevy element entirely. Soroxas (talk) 19:27, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- "and if you read it that way, you misread it." -- No, Soroxas, it was poorly written. I know you didn't mean it that way, what I'm pointing out is that the sentence is poorly constructed."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 19:42, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- Agree to disagree. If you view it like that, then you're basically also admitting it was saying she's loved because she's wealthy. And there's no need to say my username, I find it annoying and condescending, even if people don't mean it that way. Anyway, I tried a rewrite which tries to get the point across in a less skeevy fashion so we can move on with our lives. Soroxas (talk) 19:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- "and if you read it that way, you misread it." -- No, Soroxas, it was poorly written. I know you didn't mean it that way, what I'm pointing out is that the sentence is poorly constructed."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 19:42, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
- The journal entries are often written by tone-deaf people. I wouldn't ever base my sensitivities and ethical standards simply because an English localization in some video game says so. "If the story of Aladdin and the characters of that world find Jasmine beautiful, then she is beautiful, end of story." That is impossible. That's like saying if a lot of characters in a story find eating tarantulas delicious, then tarantulas are delicious. How about if we mention that "Jasmine is considered by a lot of men, including Alladin, to be beautiful"? Seems far more neutral and dodges the skeevy element entirely. Soroxas (talk) 19:27, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
