Talk:The Caribbean

Eternal Nothingness XIII Soon the emptiness will shatter your heart—here in this world of nothingness! As lightless oblivion devours you, drown in the ever-blooming darkness! — 04:04, 3 February 2019 (UTC) I do not think the tentacles fought before Davy Jones are the Kraken. They are more like columns of energy shaped like the Kraken's tentacles, as seen during the Davy Jones fight and when Sora uses the Wheel of Fate's second finisher. Then again, there is a cutscene where tentacles appear that match the Kraken's in terms of texture, yet there is nothing in the story to state Luxord revives the Kraken, who should be dead based on At World's End and The Caribbean's overall plot. Thoughts? What do we say instead of "the Kraken?"

Nthing state that the Kraken was killed at all in the KH universe, and during the Davy Jones boss fight, he call the Kraken, and the tentacles attack Sora and the others. The Kraken simply didn't die in the KH universe, some things are different from the movie, for exemple, Bill Turner seems to not be in Jones's crew even if he was mentioned in KH2, so probably Bill Turner just die after Barbossa took the Pearl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.133.48.129 (talk • contribs)

Davy Jones does not call the Kraken during his boss fight. He simply summons the same energy-tentacles that attack the Black Pearl and are used during Sora's second Wheel of Fate finisher. They share the exact same design. Texturally, these do not resemble the Kraken in any way. Look closely when Luxord first summons them: they have blue swirls all over them and very cartoony-looking suction cups. This does not explain the more film-accurate tentacles that also appear, but to say the Kraken appears in KHIII is false, thus I feel this should be removed from the article. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 00:53, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

During Davy Jones boss battle they are not bright blue, but dark green--5.133.48.129 01:17, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Here the comparison between the tentacles used by Davy Jones and the tentacles summoned by Luxord https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/416693219858972672/541792382664835072/unknown.png?width=960&height=355 --5.133.48.129 01:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

The Kraken does not have a part in the Journal/Gummiphone, and it is never really referred to as such in the moment, the tentacles just sort of appear. I would agree that there is no definitive proof that this is the Kraken rather than those magical tentacles. We never see anymore of its either. Although the Kraken is mentioned in the narrative (song) upon entering The Caribbean as having been sent after Jack, this is more of a plot device to cover the events of Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest. I suggest removing it from the page until we have more proof. (Levi657 (talk) 18:28, 6 February 2019 (UTC))

Chernabog too don't appeared in the Journal in KH1, neither Ursula in DDD, so say "he don't appear in the Journal" don't mean so much... I think they don't give to him a page because they just done the tentacles, not the entire body. But, the game heavly implies he is the Kraken, and how I showed in the images, the tentacles used by Davy Jones, are different from the tentacles summoned from Luxord (here the comaprision: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/416693219858972672/541792382664835072/unknown.png?width=960&height=355). I mean, we really need that someone say "hey, that is the Kraken"? For Chernabog the page was done even if nobody name him. In Pirates of Carabeans, the only giant octopus we see is the Kraken, I don't see why that giant octopus should be something different to be honest... if I recall correctly, Tia Dalma too say to Sora and the others that the Kraken will devour them too, so, she confirm he is still alive in KH3--93.150.192.195 18:40, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

I say we wait until the Ultimania. At least for now. The game never mentions that it is the Kraken, only "tentacles" is used. If the game does not mention it, then we have no reason to 100% believe that it is the Kraken or not. If the Ultimania says nothing about it, then we should re discuss it. But for now, let's wait :) Lady Junky (talk) 22:47, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Are y'all certain about that? I'm fairly certain I remember the Kraken being mentioned while in the locker, for how Jack died."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:57, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, Kraken is mentioned at 8:15, and the tentacles at 46:42 and 48:58 do not have the same phantasmal appearance as the finisher, which in any case is blatantly referencing the Kraken."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:58, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

As for Chernabog, he was named by the official guides."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:58, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I know the game mentions the Kraken. What I meant is that the game never mentions that these tentacles are the Kraken x) Sorry for the confusion! Lady Junky (talk) 21:01, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

If a character talks about a big tentacle monster that works for a certain bad guy swallowing ships, and we later see a big tentacle monster working for that bad guy and swallowing ships, we are allowed to put those pieces together. I'm grateful y'all are trying to stick to the policy about sourcing, but you don't have to take it that far."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:12, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Merger?

Why does this page exist separately from Port Royal - they are both the same world, merely expanded upon. Port Royal is even a location in The Caribbean and bears a lot of similarity structurally to Port Royal as it appeared in Kingdom Hearts II (I'm talking architecture with the alleyways, arched pathways joining buildings etc). In my opinion the two pages should be merged. (Levi657 (talk) 18:28, 6 February 2019 (UTC))

Because this happen with all worlds that have raname (exemple: Hollow Bastion and Radiant Garden)--93.150.192.195 18:40, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

I would argue that this is only the case on pages like Hollow Bastion v. Radiant Garden, Land of Departure v. Castle Oblivion, these are separated largely in part because of spoilers, whereas there is no presence of spoilers in calling Olympus Coliseum "Olympus", referring to the world as a whole, or "The Caribbean" over "Port Royal", which again is just referring to the world as a whole rather than just the specific area that was covered in KHII. Nomura's entire schtick in KHIII was expanding on the world concept, and in interviews The Caribbean and Olympus are referred to as returning world, meaning that they are in fact the same world. Separating them just adds clutter by producing more useless pages. (Levi657 (talk) 22:39, 6 February 2019 (UTC))

It's not a spoilers thing. This wiki doesn't do that. It's because Hollow Bastion is the castle, Radiant Garden is the world, so the topics are cleanly differentiable.

I agree that The Caribbean and Olympus should consume the previous world articles, though."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:56, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't think we should merge the pages. For the Caribbean, we should do the same with Prankster's Paradise and Monstro: cover the Port Royal area on the Port Royal page, with the rest on the The Caribbean page. For Olympus, if we can separate Radiant Garden as the world, and Hollow Bastion as the castle, we can separate Olympus Coliseum as the Coliseum and Underworld (the Underworld has its own page, so it's only covered there for game-related purpose), and Olympus as Thebes, Mt. Olympus, and the Realm of the Gods. TheSilentHero 21:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

BbS messes that up, though. "Town near Thebes" is obviously part of that same city. It's the city from the movie, not a separate city."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 00:58, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Don't forget Disney Castle and Disney Town, which are the same world with different names depending on the game. Personally, I would just keep the two articles separated for the games they appear in, but make it clear that The Caribbean is indeed the same world from Kingdom Hearts II. Everyone remembers each other, Barbossa's stint with the Heartless gets brought up, Port Royal itself is a playable location, Luxord reappears to provoke "parley", and so on. UxieLover1994 16:27, 8 February 2019 (UTC)