Game talk:Xemnas

Should

Xemnasmustdie - Erase me... TALK - NO STOP! I DON'T WANT TO BE ERASED! -Should we have a battle video for Xemnas while he is "Unknown"?-

I remember we had one over here not very long ago, but I'm not sure who removed it... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 23:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I guess we should. After all some people may want to know how the secret boss fights in Kingdom Hearts Final Mix. I'll try to find a video. We should also add the stats for him in that form as well.--Xsonicdragon 23:52, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

MERGE!!!!!!!!!

Definitely merge it with boss page beacause it's comlicated with so many pages.

No, i don't think we should. That makes it sounds like its all Xemnas.... We could provide links --Masterofkeyblades 03:32, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Verdict : We're not merging it. There's too much strategy info and too many tabs to put in if we merge the whole thing ; that could make the page look VERY unsightly. TNÉ _{je t'♥ mélancolie !} 04:22, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, we might consider the merge move. Kryten has already put in the Nobody boss template tabs. TNÉ _{je t'♥ mélancolie !} 04:23, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Really? Wasn't aware, what with school and everything. Still, i don't think we should. If we do it, it could be all confusing and people will eventually use the wrong strategy. Sorry for any spelling errors.--Masterofkeyblades 04:28, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Nitrous X Merry Christmas! — I have identified the scent. It is...Christmas! "When did that happen? You were always terrified of Santa before-" I vote to NOT merge it. That would be too confusing.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? I also vote against a merge. It would be much less confusing if we keep each boss page separate.

KrytenKoro - This is the song that runs under the credits; these are the credits, so this is where it goes. 'has nothing to do with the movie so we'll say, "Hey! Hey! Hey hey hey hey hey hey!" TALK - Don't we do a similar thing with World of Chaos, though? Hell, most boss pages cover different games, not just different phases of a battle, and that doesn't seem to have caused a problem.

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I think that we should merge it so that the xemnas page(boss)(armor(final)would be easier to find and so that we dont have to transfer pages

I changed my mind about it the boss and the final form has different fighting styles

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 00:02, December 19, 2009 (UTC) I say we DO merge it. Xemnas is still Xemnas, regardless of his size/shape/color/whatever. Same would go for Marluxia and any other multi-form boss, such as Xion.

Nitrous X Merry Christmas! — I have identified the scent. It is...Christmas! "When did that happen? You were always terrified of Santa before-" I say don't merge. There are separate strategies, separate information, and merging would just confuse too many people.

Merge...

Nitrous X Merry Christmas! — I have identified the scent. It is...Christmas! "When did that happen? You were always terrified of Santa before-" If you post a vote on this, you need to put an explanation for it. Otherwise it doesn't count for anything. It seems that quite a few people are for NOT Merge.

Xhurt - ...... TALK - ... I say we DON'T merge it, since all the different phases have different tactics, plus Xemnas (Dragon) is't exactly Xemnas... More like Xemnas on a dragon-shaped ship, and the second Xemnas (armored controller) is him ON the ship, the dragon defending against Sora and Riku, which makes you NEED to break the dragon's guard.

Confused

Ok I am confused. Why is the merge thing still up and the other pages still there when it is all merged? Someone please enlighten me. Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.

Xhurt - See my ILLUSION! TALK - I have identified the scent. It is... LEXAEUS, THAT'S GROSS!! It seems they HAVE been merged, but I can't find the other pages... DARN!!

Card?

Why is there a card at the bottom of this page?

Because you can obtain a card of Xemnas in Re:Chain of Memories.--Lapis ofthe Night 21:53, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Xhurt - ...... TALK - ... Also, its CP is 99. Why doesn't it appear?

[shrugs]--Lapis ofthe Night 22:00, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

"Sneek Peek"?

One-Winged Angel "The things you want to say the most are the things you fight yourself the hardest not to say." TALK - Do you think you can erase your past? - 18:47 February 15, 2010 Isn't it possible that the vehicle used in the Dragon Battle was a prelude to Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep 's method of travelling to other worlds?

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? I don't know if it's a prelude, since this came after BBS, but it is similar. EDIT: Unless you meant that it was a prelude gameplay-wise and not story-wise, in which case that's possible.

One-Winged Angel "The things you want to say the most are the things you fight yourself the hardest not to say." TALK - Do you think you can erase your past? - 19:11 February 15, 2010 I was talking about gamplay-wise.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? It does seem similar, so they might have used it as inspiration or something.

Why the Merge??

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Kryten, why did you merge the articles? If you scroll upward, most of the users wanted it to remain UNMERGED!!

The "strategies are different!" argument doesn't make sense, since we already have many boss articles where different strategies are used, such as Riku. The games don't separate them as anything more than "Xemnas", and they each have the same stats (except for HP). This is much simpler than having five different boss pages for one character, especially since someone reading the article for the strategies, is having to deal with the quick flow of the battle, and wouldn't have time anyway to search across the wiki for the next page. Then, there is the fact that the titles of those pages were made-up, and not from any official source. All in all, the arguments for keeping the pages separate didn't make any sense in context, and that's what the deciding factor is. This is a meritocracy, not a democracy.Glorious CHAOS! 19:01, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

an english translation?

is it possible to get an english translation on Xemnas' words when he speaks in the final mix version?Oh,how the sea calls 06:07, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Which part? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 02:16, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Riku Dying during Battle

"The only time that Riku can die is when Xemnas starts to drain Sora's HP."

I seem to remember Riku dying outside of the Sora hp drain attack during one of my attempts at the data match. Instead of changing the main article, I'm wondering if anyone else has seen him die or this instance could be attributed to a glitch.

Falcos - Ah, yes. Ventus. TALK - Tell me something, has he learned to put up a decent fight yet? No, Riku can and will die if you're doing badly enough. In fact, if he dies, it's an instant gameover!

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 12:01, October 14, 2010 (UTC) seriously? I'd like to test it out, but my PS2 is... dead T_T

World of Nothingness

Is this World of Nothing a real name? If it is where did you guys found it? and also if it is real am I the only one who thinks it is not creative at all? I mean they just took the first final boss's name and changed the darkness to nothingness.--Xabryn 21:35, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Chaos to Nothingness, but yes.

It's the name for the "room" you fight Xemnas in when he's on top of the ship, from KH2FM's code. There's a link in the edit history.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 21:43, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it's the name of the first "room" you fight Xemnas in while you still can have Donald and Goofy in your party. There're two different rooms. maggosh 21:55, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Huh, don't know how I missed this discussion... Anyway, cool. In-game coding is a damn good source.LapisLazuliScarab04:38, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the discussion Kryten was refering to but to call any dragon form of Xemnas "World of Nothingness" is just wrong. No guide whether it be the Ultimania, Bradygames or Piggyback one calls him that and ingame it's just the room's name "虚無の世界" (used for both "The Empty Realm" and "The World of Nothing" not Nothingness by the way, which are most likely part of the realm of nothingness and probably where this confusion stems from). ShardofTruth 21:11, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't the Ultimania still call it a giant Nobody, at least? It seems silly for it to just be a robot."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 03:02, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I had these pages linked before I think. I'm not sure about the description in the text but the name at the top shows the "other" category for "Xemnas (Dragon)" instead of nobody like it's done for the first and second form. ShardofTruth 16:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

What Shard said. The only name it has ever officially had is "Xemnas (Dragon)" and there's nothing that says it's an individual Nobody. (From my subjective viewpoint, it doesn't even look like one; it looks like it's made from the Castle That Never Was.) Pink Agaricus (talk) 01:33, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

What happened?!

The infobox's tabs aren't tabs any more. They're separated down the side of the page. Is it just me, or is Oasis actually getting worse? And if so: HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE??? 66.215.20.249 07:01, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Just checked Riku's boss page and it's got the same problem. As if Oasis wasn't bad enough already... 66.215.20.249 07:02, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

similarites

God a lot has changed since I've been away from here, and right now my comp is sort of bugging out so I'll write this message and if the answer was already in an article someone tell me. Shouldn't we mention the similarities between No Heart and Armored Controller? Seeing as No Heart is the Armor of Master Xehanort and it looks a lot like Xemnas' armor (which makes sense given everything in the KH storyline), I feel it should be mentioned. Lying Memories 08:52, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Final Form?

Mechajin Walky Talky Page! :D — I fight for my friends! Nothing More, Nothing Less! Friendship is the most important thing you can have!! Shouldn't there be a section for Xemnas' final form? seeing as it's a separate battle against him. There would also need to be a Data Replica Final Form section too. Mechajin I fight for my friends!

Uhh... there is already a section for that.--Dark-EnigmaXIII 12:48, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

I think that he meant an info box--Xabryn 14:06, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

Mechajin Walky Talky Page! :D — I fight for my friends! Nothing More, Nothing Less! Friendship is the most important thing you can have!! Mhm. The article just looks so.. Incomplete. Mechajin I fight for my friends!

Well, there is a section, and a tab in the infobox for Final Form Xemnas. Not sure about the Data Rematch, though--Dark-EnigmaXIII 16:36, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

Mechajin Walky Talky Page! :D — I fight for my friends! Nothing More, Nothing Less! Friendship is the most important thing you can have!! I don't see any tabs for him. I see his Normal form tab, his data rematch tab, and his world of nothingness tab, within his normal form tab I see "Xemnas" "Unknown" and "Armored Controller" tabs. But none for Final. :/ Mechajin I fight for my friends!

There are to stats fot his "normal" form. The second one is for the last fight.--Dark-EnigmaXIII 14:04, 27 June 2011 (EDT)

I believe the Final Form stats are included in the normal Xemnas infobox. There should be a paramater for adding an alternate image; please ask Neumannz or DTN to fill it in, after checking that those are indeed the correct stats for Final Form. The KHII guide is needed."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 03:00, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

KHFM Canon

Is the battle between the Engimatic Man and Sora in Kingdom Hearts Final Mix canon to the series, even though it is never mentioned or spoken of again? --^DTN 20:08, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

....yeaahhhh, seeing as it's the first thing Xemnas talks about to Roxas on the beach."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:53, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

Oh right right right. Sometimes I try to forget Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days ever happened. Y'know, with the weak protagonist and story and all. Thanks much, Koro. --^DTN 21:00, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

KHFM Fight Requirements

TobiasHawk - "Link START!" TALK - "Life is like drawing a line, it's never perfect." -- 18:56, 14 October 2013 (UTC) -- My YouTube Shouldn't there be details on how to unlock the battle with him in Final Mix?

All you have to do is watch the first cutscene at End of the World. Pink Agaricus (talk) 19:07, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

TobiasHawk - "Link START!" TALK - "Life is like drawing a line, it's never perfect." -- 19:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC) -- My YouTube Seriously? That is it? I'll do that when I get home. Thanks!

Scripted battle?

I am struggling to beat normal Xemnas at Level 93. His final form a.k.a. True Xemnas, to be specific. But while going through this fight, I've noticed something very, very fishy about it: You know the part where Sora and Riku have to defeat Xemnas together while he is in his armour, after taking out the massive Dragoon? Well, it's a scripted battle. Hear me out here: Imagine you are playing this at Level 93. For starters, being overlevelled is going to be a massive hindrance to this fight because, if you're like me and you have the best Keyblades and the best amounts of Strength and Defence that are so totally going to wipe out any enemy in just a mere few hits, you'll discover something really bad: you can only inflict X amount of damage at a time, within a specific time frame, to Armoured Xemnas in this form. What I mean to say is, there is a specific time frame between the beginning of each little phase of the battle, and Xemnas pushing Sora and Riku out into the void. You can only do a specific amount of damage at a time, which is probably going to be one bar and a bit, tops. Try to inflict any more, and you'll find that your Keyblade passes right through him; you're attacking, but you're not doing any damage whatsoever. This leaves you wide open for attack. What's worse is that if you have Berserk Charge, it is effectively useless and leaves you like a f***ing sitting duck, and every hit he does is going to take half your HP off, forcing you to use up your items more quickly. This happens all throughout this particular part of the fight. The other reason as to why I find it is a scripted battle is because Xemnas has to push Sora and Riku into the void twice. Whatever level you're in, whether you're in Level 70 or Level 99, you can't do too much damage to him and make him skip those segments where he pushes Sora and Riku into the void. You just can't. It's annoying, it's dickish, but that's how it is. Today you will be examined for the Mark of Mastery. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 12:14, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

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My main trouble isn't so much finishing him off as Armoured Xemnas, but rather, finishing True Xemnas off. Session has nearly always missed for me because for some reason, Sora and Riku just get too far, or Xemnas gets too far. And by the time I need items to count, I'd have already run out of them...... Riku doesn't heal you, either. 7 Hi-Potions get loaded onto his pockets at the start of the True Xemnas fight and before he even uses a single one, you're out of items and out of HP. Since that fight where I struggled with True Xemnas, I've gotten the Ultima Weapon, which has MP Hastega (AT LAST). But I'm honestly not sure what else I could use to make this fight a lot less of an annoyance. As for Armoured Xemnas being scripted: I'm not quite sure how to put it in; I'd like to put it into the article, but there's no mention of fighting Armoured Xemnas for the second time with only Sora and Riku... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 14:29, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Laser cylinder damage

Has anyone been ballsy enough to try getting hit with the laser generators from the first part of the Armoured Xemnas fight, and see how much damage it does? If yes, how much HP does it actually chip off? does it ignore Reflect if you cast it up? does it ignore Second Chance and Once More or any similar ability? Today you will be examined for the Mark of Mastery. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 21:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

When you say "laser generators", what do you mean? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 04:29, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Those things that charge up and then you have to do Stunt Dodge to avoid them... TRSNX 14:26, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I think it just causes Game Over. TheFifteenthMember 10:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

It's called Wave Cannon; it's typeless (or "neutral" if you prefer that term) and has a ×6.0 modifier on each hit. Ignores Reflect but does not ignore Once More. Ultima Spark (talk) 14:58, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh wow, thanks for that! So that means, with Once More equipped, I can take damage from the Wave Cannon once, and then stick with one HP left? (Of course, that's not going to be something I would dare try, considering the amount of Bomb Bells that spawn in the area.) TRSNX 15:27, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Gummi-type enemies

The tabs for the gummi-type enemies do not operate under the gummi mechanics, so they should use the Enemy template instead. This will remove Game:Xemnas from the Gummi Nobody category, in which it does not belong. Does anyone have the regular mechanics stats?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 11:08, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Actually, since they have their own pages, should we just remove the infoboxes for them on this page?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 02:54, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Techniques

In progress

Technique		Element	Power	Guard?
Spark Wall		Physical	0.5		△
		Forms a wall before himself that repels attacks.
Continuous Attack (連続攻撃, Renzoku Kougeki)		Physical	1.0 (slash) 0.75 (slash, 2nd hit+) 0.5 (kick) 0.25 (slash, 2nd hit+)		△
		Slashes to the right, kicks, then slashes to the left.
Dual-wielding Attack (二刀流攻撃, Nitouryū Kougeki)		Physical	1.0 (slash) 0.5 (kick) 0.25 (slash, 2nd hit+)		△
		Uses a dual-wielding style to unleash slashes and kicks like he was dancing.
Invitation to Nothingness (無へのいざない, Mu heno Izanai)		None	1 HP per 0.7 s, down to 1 HP		X
		Engulfs Sora in the power of nothingness, continuously inflicting damage.
Building Fall Attack (ビル落下攻撃, Biru Rakka Kougeki)		Physical	0.5 (slash, kick) 1.0 (added)		X
		Attacks five times with slashes and kicks, then inflicts additional damage on Sora while falling.
Guard/Block: △ = Can be blocked; O = Can be blocked and interrupted (melee) or deflected back (projectile); X = Cannot be blocked.

Technique		Element	Power	Guard?
Building Toss Attack (ビル突き上げ攻撃, Biru Tsukiage Kougeki)		Physical	1.5 0.25 (2nd hit+)		△
		Tosses a building from the roadside.
Building Drop Attack (ビル落下攻撃, Biru Rakka Kougeki)		Physical	1.5		△
		Drops a floating building.
Guard/Block: △ = Can be blocked; O = Can be blocked and interrupted (melee) or deflected back (projectile); X = Cannot be blocked.

Technique		Element	Power	Guard?
Wave Cannon (波動砲, Hadou Hou)		None	6.0		X
		Fires an absurdly powerful beam.
Guard/Block: △ = Can be blocked; O = Can be blocked and interrupted (melee) or deflected back (projectile); X = Cannot be blocked.

Technique		Element	Power	Guard?
Stab (突き, Tsuki)		Physical	2.0		△
		Stabs with Xemnas (Dragon Form)'s gigantic claws.
Guard/Block: △ = Can be blocked; O = Can be blocked and interrupted (melee) or deflected back (projectile); X = Cannot be blocked.

Technique		Element	Power	Guard?
Mow Down (なぎ払い, Nagiharai)		Physical	2.0 0.1 (2nd hit+)		X
		Mows the opponent down with the sword in his right hand.
Spark Wall		Thunder	1.5 0.25 (2nd hit+)		X
		Forms a wall before himself that repels attacks.
Lance Attack (ヤリ攻撃, Yari Kougeki)		Physical	1.0 0.2 (1st stage, 2nd hit+)		△
		Rains the Lindworms on the opponent one by one, then turns and drops them all at once.
Chakram Attack (チャクラム攻撃, Chakuramu Kougeki)		Physical	1.0 0.3 (2nd hit+)		△
		Attacks the opponent with the flame-clad Eternal Flames.
Water Clone Attack (水の分身攻撃, Mizu no Bunshin Kougeki)		Blizzard	1.0		△
		Has the water clones shower the opponent with blows from the lower part of a musical note.
Card Attack (カード攻撃, Kādo Kougeki)		Physical	0.25		△
		Cuts apart the opponent with the Fair Game turned sideways.
Greatsword Attack (大剣攻撃, Taiken Kougeki)		None	1.0 (shockwave) 0.5 (explosion) 0.25 (explosion, 5th hit+)		X
		Drops his greatsword, emitting a shockwave and an explosion.
Shot		None	0.25		O
		Rapidly fires seven shots from the Sharpshooters.
Building Attack (ビル攻撃, Biru Kougeki)		Physical	2.0 0.25 (2nd hit+)		△
		Hurls a building.
Laser		None	1.0 0.1 (2nd hit+)		X
		Fires ten red lasers aimed at Sora.
Magic Square Laser (魔法陣レーザー, Mahoujin Rēzā)		None	1.0 0.1 (2nd hit+)		X
		Fires a laser from a magic square in the sky.
Shield Shock		None	1.5		X
		Blows away anything which touches his shield.
Guard/Block: △ = Can be blocked; O = Can be blocked and interrupted (melee) or deflected back (projectile); X = Cannot be blocked.