Talk:Destiny's Embrace

Keyblade?

Yes, it looks like a keyblade, but was it ever stated that it really is a keyblade?

Well it has a keychain what more proof do you need?--Vatek 23:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

yeah... i guess it was a dumb question after all.

PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart - I'm the only one! TALK - Woo hoo hoo hoo! Nothing is a dumb question, with expections of: when it is hot out, asking ' is it hot today? ' is kinda stupid, so is asking someone struggling with something heavy ' is that heavy? ', and so on and so forth, but your ? is not stupid.

Stats

Strength and Magic - if this is just a skin change for the Kingdom Key, why would it have different stats?

Does it actually list "No contact" as its ability?

You don't actually get it in that scene, so "get" wouldn't be used.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 01:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Truth be told, I'm surprised you can even use Codebreaker to use that thing in battle. Like the main article said, it showed up in only one cutscene and is only for show. The fact that you can't use it effectively in battle means that it doesn't have any stats or abilities at all. This may change when Kingdom Hearts III comes out, but for now, the main article put it best: it is only for show. Keyblader 20:41, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Riku's

Even in Director's Secret Report XIII Nomura never says that the keyblade is Riku's. There is supposedly some deeper meaning in him handing it to her but it's not his.We Still don't know what this thing is only that "it's naturally the same type as Sora's.

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} It says in another report: "However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater's transfer and occurrence, as well as Riku's handing it to Kairi." It's not certain how it works, but the Keyblade did belong to Riku. He was most likely duel-wielding.

With that thing? Also he might have been the "Delivery Boy" for it. we still don't know what this thing is.

and it is an assumption that "Kairi was able to use Riku's keyblade".and it should be taken out of the article.and the report may have not related the "Transfer and occurance" with the "Riku's handing it to kairi" statements. in other words while both facts are in the same sentence they may be different, seperate clauses.67.76.40.218 17:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - And when you see me standing there, you'll know you've got a friend with a rock, I mean a big-ass rock. TALK - "Riku's "Way to the Dawn" and Kairi's Keyblade are naturally the same type of Keyblade as Sora's. However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater's transfer and occurrence, as well as Riku's handing it to Kairi." There is some possibility that the translator did not notice that the clauses were meant to be referring to separate parts of the previous sentence, though that's begging the question if you're not going to actually prove this. On the other hand, there is also a possibility for the sentence to be interpreted as Nomura saying that Kairi's Keyblade is the same as Riku's Way to the Dawn, due it saying the "same type of Keyblade", and not "same type of Keyblades". Then, the second sentence clearly reads as talking about Riku handing the transformed Soul Eater to Kairi. Finally, there are only two similar events to this in the series: 1) Riku handing Sora his Way to the Dawn to defeat Xemans. 2) The Deep Dive scene In (1), they are clearly different Keyblades, but the main difference is that both of them already had their own Keyblade, and one handed it to the other. This is in fact the reverse situation to what happened with Riku and Kairi. In (2), one wielder has two Keyblades and hands one of them to the other wielder. This is the same situation as with Kairi and Riku, and in it, Roxas is using the dual blade ability to "copy" his Keyblade. At this point, Occam's Razor says "take the translated report as authoritative, and take the Deep Dive scene as a parallel occurrence." This is the simplest interpretation. Your interpretation requires the translation to be incorrect, and for the closely parallel Deep Dive scene to be inapplicable. Thus, without any current strong evidence to that possibility, it would be ridiculous to use that in the article.

(3) in kingdom hearts 1 Riku turns out to be the keyblade's true chosen one and takes it from sora the "Delivery Boy"

and using the translated report for Keyblade V Keyblades is a nice lobsidedness (and the plural rule dosn't seem to apply to that sentence and makes sense either way)

and while the report is accurate the translation may not be. I'd say Japanese is a messed up language but english can be equally difficult. so instead, i'd like to say that translating between them is an inherrently difficult process.so while not discredited,what we have should be taken with a grain of salt. the various KH3.net posts have pictures of the ultimania that can be alternatively translated and should be (and if you think I'm going to after five months of activity and being too lazy too sign up then...)67.76.40.218 03:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "Hurricane beats all housing or apartments. This sucker is a Cat-6!" TALK - 1) Again, just saying "Well, it could be translated incorrectly" is completely unhelpful and almost ridiculously biased. I raised the possibility to be accurate, but unless you can show that it actually was translated incorrectly, the possibility is not worth debating. 2) Again, it says "Keyblade", not "Keyblades", which would be quite difficult to miss in translation. Even then, this is just evidence backing up the main point, that the translation uses Riku's Keyblade as the subject of the entire sentence. 3) Kingdom Hearts I has nothing to do with this, since that wasn't a scene involving dual Keyblades.

why does it matter how many keyblades there are?it shows that a keyblade can be used by someone else with the purpose of delivering it to the actual wielder.That's like, three fifths of the issue.

and the issue isn't that the translation is wrong or even "not right". just thaT as the only source, it should be looked into with more care, scrutiny and maybe be analyzed by a japanese reading member of the site, for assissting in interpratation of such issues.

and regardless of plurality riku's keyblade is not conclusively the subject.67.76.40.218 16:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Y'know, i try to be diplomatic, something i'm not very good at (though punching someone in the face across the internet would be much harder) But I can't stand innacuracies or worse yet, lies. the Another Report which I generously provided has been misued, and spread falsehoods the quite simply do not belong. and while that is abused other issues are quite simply ignored.(the kingom hearts Novels, and if you bring up that damn manga i will scream and vandalise every thing on this wiki, just to get the point across.) with Superior Rage,67.76.40.218 04:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "It's always best when the other chap is willing to die for his beliefs; you both have the same goal in mind." TALK - I wasn't aware Nomura was editing this wiki! And behaved like a spoiled child. Odd, you seem so much different in the interviews.

By "Provided" I meant that I introduced the report to this wiki which had never heard of it before. admitedly I reacted a bit unfavorably in that post. I had a bad day. However when a source is misrepresented while others still are simply ignored that is not something that can be done on such a database. and admitedly when you're wrong that will all be done with and this mistake will be fixed but the timescale is just too large for my tastes67.76.40.218 12:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

..I don't know what you're talking about, as I had heard of the report on my own before coming to this wiki. And, again, you have provided absolutely no evidence for your claim that the Keyblade is not a Synch Blade of Riku's - you've just been screaming "Lies!" and threatening to vandalize the wiki.

• The report makes it clear that Kairi's Keyblade and the Way to the Dawn are both light-realm Keyblades like Sora's.
• The report strongly suggests that Kairi's Keyblade and Riku's Keyblade are in fact the same thing.
• The report says that it is uncertain how Riku was able to hand a second Keyblade to Kairi; but that it is clear that he had a Keyblade and handed it to her.

I honestly have no idea what your problem is with this issue.Glorious CHAOS! 22:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

i'm almost positive that the kh2 novels provide an alternative explanation,but again they are not represented on this site.i understand that the things are a b**** to find but...

Keyblader - That's the power of the Keyblade! TALK - Take me to her. Wait, where are you getting the fact that Kairi's Keyblade was Riku's Keyblade? Riku had a Keyblade out at the same time that Kairi had hers, so it's obvious that's not Riku's, since he was never revealed to be able to dual-wield. However, it is true that the Keyblade is not strictly Kairi's. A theory I have is that it could be the King's old Keyblade that he used under his apprenticeship of Yen Sid; he's shown in a trailer of BBS using a Star Seeker Keyblade, ten years before the events of KH1 and the finding of the Keyblade he uses now. It's possible that what Kairi wielded was the same Keyblade, just with a different Keychain on it.

JudgmentDay95 - "Yes... Surely you must have known that this was going to happen." TALK - "Then I shall make you see... That hopes are nothing! Nothing but a mere illusion!" – {{{time}}} It's either that or it's a Keyblade used by Aqua. But if the latter is true, then what is the connection between Aqua and Kairi? Blood relations, perhaps?

KrytenKoro - "Because I knew something he didn't. I knew that I was lying. Seriously, sir. 'No silicon heaven'? Where would all of the calculators go?" TALK - The report says that Riku gave it to Kairi, and seemingly identifies it as a form of the Soul Eater transformed into a Keyblade. It's Riku using Synch Blade, that's all.

Why shouldn't Riku be able to Dual-Wield? Roxas could do it after he defeated Xion, right? Riku defeated the Riku-Replica in Castle Oblivion, so isn't it possible that Kairi's Gayblade is actually Repliku's Soul Eater? The Keychain is very similar to Namine's good luck charm, which strikes me as a possible reference to Repliku. But even then...is Riku "lending" or "giving" the Gayblade to Kairi? So many questions...

SavageLarxene011 23:03, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Because Riku doesn't show constant use of the Synch-Blading, and the Replica Riku is said to be a more imperfect Replica, it is difficult to compare it to the Xion/Roxas situation, in which Roxas clearly became more "complete", and permanently dual-wielded. It's certainly a good theory (there's no real reason why Roxas should be able to gain a Keyblade from Xion but not Riku from Ixion), but it's still hard to say that that's the actual reason. Hopefully we'll get more info in BBS on whether any Keyblader can Synch Blade, or only those who have been copied.Glorious CHAOS! 02:03, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I do not believe this is a blade of riku's and even so he never really "wielded" this keyblade kairi did which would be better placed as a keyblade of kairi not riku's. also during the time riku handed the keyblade to kairi he was as ansem and completely shrouded in darkness for him to wield a keyblade of light he would then not be completely of "Darkness" as keyblades genearly are linked to the wielder. HighDukeIchi 02:48, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura explicitly said that Riku uses a Keyblade of Light, and that the DE is Riku's Keyblade.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 06:38, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

the name

Joe Keyblade Aura Come chat! — You shouldn't judge anyone based on appearance. Dance, water, dance! I belive the name is called destaniy key

PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart - I'm the only one! TALK - Woo hoo hoo hoo! Destiny Key, maybe. We should wait and see if it ever shows up anywhere else before we change the name. ( Just for future reference, but you can call it what you want. )

How about "Kairi's Ridiculously Girly Keyblade"? Sums it up nicely, IMHO. JudgmentDay95 19:10 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Orpheus of the Lyre Let's Talk ! — Prepare to scream ! Sally, why didn't I listen to you? I believe it should just stay Kairi's Keyblade because it is never specifically given a name as Riku only says about it with 'Take it'

Give Kairi's Keyblade a Name!

Pick a name...make a name...anything you want!but u should make sure that it actually matches...-XionXIV P.S.the name i give it is Garden of Light P.S.S.Oh and the reason i did this was cuz i was bored...heh...

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah. we can't that's not the offical name

yeah i kno...but i was just bored...erase the section if you want...i just like typing... P.S.You rlly brung meh down today.... :(

I settled for "Princess Flower". Charmed-Jay. 2009-sep-14

LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside! TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!" No! Don't erase the section and NO give names.

Its a Keychain?

it says here."Kairi's Keyblade is a keychain for Riku's Keyblade which appears in Kingdom Hearts II." I mean the keyblade changes through keychains so how is it that Kairi can wield it if he just gave her a keychain?

Riku Synched his Keyblade (like with Valor Form), and the form that it took was due to the Keychain on it. It's still Riku's personal Keyblade.Glorious CHAOS! 10:10, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Similarites to oathkeeper?

Since oathkeeper was formed by soras memories of kairis, what if this is the same thing except its based on Rikus memories of kairi?--Foutlet 17:37, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Name

Eternal Nothingness XIII - But why? Help me understand, Master Xehanort. What is it that I have failed to learn? TALK - What? How did I— What did I do? What did YOU do? — 22:56, January 8, 2010 (UTC) Where did this come from?

KingdomKeyDarkside - Let's even up the deck. TALK - Do you know the rules? — 23:12, January 8, 2010 (UTC) Yeah, who got this and where? It sounds legit, but you can't be sure. Please, whoever posted it, cite a source.

KrytenKoro - "I'm the doctor, I'm the patient. Don't forget that - it's important! If you love me like I love me, everybody will be sorry." TALK - BBS is out, I'm watching Aqua's playthrough. I don't want to add story spoilers yet, since there's no rewind on the video to check what people are saying, but it's definitely the Kairi Keyblade.

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. Even if this keyblade is actually in the game (I saw it too), are you really sure about the name ?

KingdomKeyDarkside - My friends are my power! TALK - Leave him to me! 23:52, January 8, 2010 (UTC) @KrytenKoro Okay, thanks. Just wanted to be sure that there was a source. PS where are the playthroughs you are watching? Because I don't have a psp and I really don't want to wait to hear about the story.

http://www.justin.tv/inunonanahou#r=8yxATcs

But he just took a break because he's been playing for 15 hours.Glorious CHAOS! 00:02, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

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KingdomKeyDarkside - Dance, water, dance! TALK - Hey, you guys are looking lively. — 00:06, January 9, 2010 (UTC) Thanks!

Picture

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? The current picture from BBS looks noticibly different from the way the Keyblade looked in KHII. Shouldn't we have a picture of both forms?

KrytenKoro - "Hurricane beats all housing or apartments. This sucker is a Cat-6!" TALK - If you are comparing it to the picture that used to be here, that was fanart, I think. We actually need a sprite rip of the KH2 version.

... Noticeably different? They look completely identical:

72.77.96.235 06:18, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Huh, the glare on the BBS version must have been playing tricks on my eyes. @KrytenKoro: The KHII picture I was referring to is actually the one the anon just provided. Honestly I think we should use that one until a better sprite rip from either of the games comes out. It has much better quality.

Since Aqua had this keyblade...

How exactly did Riku obtain and give it to Kairi? Nomura even said that the scene where he does hints at something. Vaddie 12:31, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Likely, it is simply that the Keyblade is connected to Kairi. Riku summoned it for Kairi's use, and Aqua obtained it after meeting with her. (I guess this would make it the non-Sora version of the Oathkeeper?) What it fully means, and if it fully means anything, we do not yet know.--Otherarrow 12:38, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? It's just another keychain as far as we know. Nothing to suggest that it is wholely unique to either Riku or Aqua.

Well the last time we see aqua's old keyblade is when Xemnas went to "sleep" in Radiant Garden during the battle there. Riku first shows his keyblade at twtnw. what if, as he's helping sora behind the scenes, he finds the Chamber of Repose and gets aqua's keyblade to give it to kairi70.144.122.234 20:08, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

It is possible since if you use codes to go there rhe armor isn't there--Xabryn 11:21, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

At the same time, there's no reason for it to be there. Hacking COM to let Riku go to Moogle shops will show Sora there because Riku would never go there, surely.—Urutapu 20:37, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Destiny's Embrace's Origins

Just a quick question. Does Destiny's Embrace really resemble Destiny Islands?

I just read in the keyblade's design that "The Keyblade is round and curvaceous to the point of appearing non-dangerous. One side of the hilt is formed in the shape of a breaking ocean wave, while the other is formed into a beige vine of sand which wraps around the sunset shaft to burst forth into a bouquet of flowers for the teeth in resemblance to their home world, Destiny Islands"

If my memory serves me right, I don't remember there being any flowers in Destiny Islands. I think Destiny's Embrace is actually a keyblade from Radiant Garden. I mean, Kairi's home world is Radiant Garden, and Aqua acquired that keyblade from Kairi in Radiant Garden, plus the fact the Kairi hasn't even been to Destiny Islands during that event.

I can understand that most people thought that this keyblade represented Destiny Islands because of the Paopu fruit token, but to me, it feels like it leans more to Radiant Garden than Destiny Islands.

What do you guys think?

maggosh The steel is forged... — "Souls as far as the eye can see..." "If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else." Well, I think you should sign your posts.

How do I do that?

Sorry I'm a noob around here. :P

maggosh The steel is forged... — "Souls as far as the eye can see..." "If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else." ~~~~ at the end of your posts. -_-

huh?

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Use four tildes in the end of your posts like ~~~~, and Destiny Place is based of Kairi that includes her living places Radiant Garden and Destiny Island

Like Xabryn said it seems to represent both places so shouldn't that be mentioned? I mean like the hilt/guard is reminiscent of the waves and beach of the Destiny Islands whereas the teeth seem to represent the flowers and beauty of the Radiant Garden and i guess one could say that the middle is for her transition from one wold to another. So just to reiterate should both worlds be mentioned in the design section?--Chaosxterra09 15:04, September 3, 2010 (UTC)Chaosxterra09

Finally, a name...

I've longed to know what the real name of this Keyblade is, but didn't dare to speculate much. Finally, now I know its name. It sure is a relief.--Charmed-Jay 09:36, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Not Riku's

Well sorry to bring this old horse up again but I think its obvious with how the plot is progressing now that when he talks about Soul Eater transforming it is about Way to the Dawn, not Destiny's Embrace Whats wrong here is the translation makes it sound like he is talking about the same thing but he is not, Kairi's keyblade is hers and hers alone, not Riku's another translation here http://www.kh-info-block.tumblr.com/tagged/KHIINom has it as "Handing a keyblade to Kairi" so I think its safe to say that this whole Riku's keyblade has been an issue blown out of proportion through a minor translation issue amusingly enough.

1. Sign your posts.
2. It wouldn't be the first time a mistranslation caused problems... Anyway, I always thought it was something like this.

On the other hand, just because that keyblade is separate from WttD doesn't mean Riku wasn't wielding it. After all, Mickey can summon two different keyblades, one from the realm of light and one from the realm of darkness. We still don't know where he got it from, although I think I can guess... --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 10:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually the point is in the interview was that both Riku and Kairi obtained their keyblades in nonstandard ways and its fair to think there is a special meaning to it. The interview even always refers to it as her's not Riku's. Anyway Riku's held it but as for wielding it to battle he has yet to do so I'm not sure its appropriate to list it but if we do it should be labled as Kairi's much like Kingdom Key is labled Sora's and Oblivion is Roxas's. --Lycropath 4:46, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Something like that, yes. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 12:00, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, and don't take this harshly, I trust fan-translations as far as I can throw their writers, do to the constant speculation that goes into them. For stuff like this, where a twist of a prounoun can change nearly the entire meaning, it is especially important that we are provided the original Japanese text, rather than just told "hey guys, I translated this". For all we know, he could be talking about "Kairi's Keyblade" in the context of the blade's name, like how he talks about "Terra-Xehanort's Master Xehanort's Keyblade"; and then there's the fact that the original interview translation indicates a carried subject for the "handing it to Kairi", while the new one inserts "Keyblade" there.

Finally, Riku is the one shown actually summoning it, and the Keyblade pops up again with Aqua NOT being wielded by Kairi, but merely being created by her presence; that and the fact that Riku easily wielded Oblivion despite it belonging to Roxas give strong precedent for it not truly being "the Keyblade belonging to Kairi". That being the case, I've reverted the following two edits, though we can reinstate them if the translation proves to be accurate.

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All in all, I would feel WAY more comfortable if we were provided the actual text of the interview answer before we go changing everything. You're probably totally, 100% right, but we really need to confirm these things before making changes.

Neumannz, in case this person doesn't have the text, can you ask Shard for it? I can go a crack at it as soon as I get it, and lay out the translation notes here for you guys' review.192.249.47.177 13:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Here you go, the original page, hopefully I'm not blowing air out of my ass following another translation butwith the way the story is developing I just don't think it possible Riku Synch Blade'd the damn thing. XD --Lycropath 9:54, 8 May (PST)

リクが新たに手に入れる『ウェイトゥザドーン』とカイリの持つキーブレードの説明とキーブレード使いになる為の条件を教えてください。

Please give us an explanation for the "Way to the Dawn" that Riku recently obtained and the Keyblade that Kairi holds, and of the requirements for becoming able to wield a Keyblade.

キーブレードは光、闇1つの側に1本という訳では無く、資格を持つ者の心の数だけ存在します。それを持つ条件に関しては今の段階では、「心が強い者」という条件が唯一明らかになっていますが、まだ明らかになってない条件もありそれはまた別の機会に明かす予定です。リクの『ウェイトゥザドーン』やカイリの持つキーブレードは性質的にはソラの持つキーブレードと同種の物になります。ただ『ソウルイーター』を媒介として発生したり、カイリはリクから手渡されたり、詳しい説明のない、通常の入手手順ではない辺り、何やら裏があると思って頂いていいと思います。

That Keyblades are Light and Dark is not to say that there is one per side, and there exist as many of them as there are hearts of those who possess the capability. At the current stage, in regards to the requirements for possession, the only requirement that has become obvious is for "those whose heart is strong", but there are also other requirements that have not yet been made clear, and we plan to reveal them at another opportunity. In nature, Riku's "Way to the Dawn" and the Keyblade that Kairi holds have become objects of the same nature as the Keyblade that Sora holds. However, there is no full explanation for the "Soul Eater" being generated as an intermediary [for the Way to the Dawn], or [the Keyblade that Kairi possesses] being handed over to Kairi from Riku, and when it's not close to the normal obtainment procedure, I think it's okay to feel that there's something more than meets the eye.

• T/L notes: The interview consistently calls the Destiny's Embrace "The Keyblade Kairi possesses" (カイリの持つキーブレード, Kairi no Motsu Kiibureedo), just as it talks about "The Keyblade Sora possesses". Also, it's easy to see how the line was confused as talking about the Soul Eater for both clauses; it uses verb enumeration to talk about both Keyblades' obtainments in turn without restating the subjects. I've added some sic stuff to clarify. Finally, the first line is following on from the previous discussion about Keyblades of Light and Darkness."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 12:05, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

With Nomura's explanation, it sounds like he's saying "It's supposed to be like an Inheritance Ceremony but it's all weird and I don't care to clean this up." So, for our purposes...it became Kairi's after being couriered to her by Riku, just as the Kingdom Key was couriered to Riku by Sora. As such, I think we should still treat it as if it was Riku's at one point (and I want to know where the hell he got it)."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 12:05, 12 May 2012 (UTC)