Forum:Huge problems on the IRC

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KrytenKoro - And when you see me standing there, you'll know you've got a friend with a rock, I mean a big-ass rock. TALK - This. WHAT. THE. SMEG. The part that galls me isn't that someone broke the rules, it's that the ops ganged up on the person that reported it, as per the rules which the ops pretend to follow. Quite honestly, I'm disgusted with the ops who were present. Between this and the lack of fixes to the bot, I think the wiki should disown the IRC thread. If the IRC and the people "running" it are going to continue to create a cesspool, I will fight against our wiki sponsoring it.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Wait, KrytenKoro. I know I'm a normal user here and all, but the thing is...Well, the only reason we gained the IRC Channel because of the many edits on talkpages that slows down the Recent Changes. If you're disgusted with the ops that are present, then perhaps new ops are in order. If we take down the IRC Channel, everyone will start using their talkpages again and it will slow down the Recent Changes. Maybe the recent ops have outgrown their position and needs to step down. I suggest that we chose new ops to manage IRC. Ones that will not lose their temper and break the rules.

KrytenKoro - And when you see me standing there, you'll know you've got a friend with a rock, I mean a big-ass rock. TALK - I'm not suggesting taking down the IRC. I'm suggesting that we remove all the notices telling our readers "Hey, we have an IRC, and here's the rules we follow to make sure everyone enjoys themselves!" if it's a filthy lie.

I advised Saph about the entire issue. The main issue here is fear, since the person involved is a KHW admin. Now, I'm letting her off, because I'm sure she'll safeguard herself. But the whole point now is sensitivity. We should be able to poke other users regarding this. If we can't, then there's no point of creating the channel. It's PG-rated, and not only because there are kids : there are some who firmly abstain from all impure pleasures. Me included. Now, I shall be e-mailing two of the admins the text that I have gathered as backing evidence to Kryten's link. Now, to sum it all up : every user should be able to warn, and every user, likewise, should be able to retain a decent bit of sensitivity. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 01:52, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Sesitivity? That's kinda hard to retain, especially when angered.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. I agree with pretty much everything, except for the whole disowning the channel bit. Getting rid of the IRC would be a very hypocritical move, as we pretty much cheer on the use of it and not User Space for conversations. It isn't the channel's fault, it's the channeleers. Ninja, sensitivity may be hard to retain, but letting it out through anger is pretty much smashing everything assuming good faith stands for. Like everything that has rules, as soon as any user enters the IRC, they are agreeing to follow them. That is always how it is universally. If users have dropped to a going so low as to just breaking them, and the users in charge OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER do barely anything to stop it, we have a serious problem on our hands. I talked this over with another op, and apparently I was "punished" because I was "making the whole matter worse". This person also said that I was punished because I wasn't an op, by stating that if an op had tried to improve the situation, it would have been a completely different matter entirely. If you ask me, that's just like smashing DTN's little "everyone is equal on the IRC" speech to smithereens. Have we really come so low as to this is how we act? Everyone should be able to be allowed to deal with matters like these, especially, as TNE puts it, give warnings. I don't want to be a part of the IRC if I can't have the same non-sysop powers as the ops have. By this, I mean everything except the whole kickbanhammer thing. Everything that we have tried to work for on the IRC has pretty much been destroyed, as well as DTN's aforementioned speech on us not needing ops. Let's face it. It is iminant. I need say nothing more on the matter.

So I sent the file to BK and Kryten. @Kryten : Thoughts on the whole matter ? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:54, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...03:30, July 9, 2010 (UTC) First and foremost: Based on that text, TroisNyx's reports, at least two previous texts I've read, heck, based on a message posted on my own talk page not yesterday, I see the need to remove at least one user from ops, if not from IRC. Hexed has continued to flout the rules after warnings from many folks; he seems to think he is above them. He could have easily created a new channel, invited interested chatters, and post whatever he pleased in there, as the PG rule is for the main room only. Instead, he chose to remain in the main room and continue to taunt LegoAlchemist and other users, as well as post inappropriate links or language. He has demonstrated on this and other occasions he is not mature enough to be an op. There are a couple of other ops I think we need a close look at, but we'll worry about this later. Next: Warning system for all. Can we trial run it for a week to see if it works? I think this is one of those things we have to experiment to see how it goes. I think the philosophy behind it is sound, but I want to see if it creates any issues. The idea of IRC was to create a safe environment where all users could enjoy talking about stuff without having to clog up the wiki; those people creating IRC issues are now doing just that by causing users to complain on our talk pages and forcing us to create forum topics like this. I've also wasted about twenty minutes of my free time dealing with this issue. I, nor any other admin, want to come on this wiki and deal with this. I think a lot more of us admin/ops are going to be cracking down on this in the future. Consider this your warning. I'm sure some folks wonder why I'm so keen on us remaining a PG-rated channel. I'm also sure most of you are aware of the average age of our users. Some posters have taken the attitude that "Kids & teens are going to see/do/say it anyway, so what's the harm?" You'd be surprised...I could tell stories from my time as a teacher, both from my room and other teachers. I won't tell them here, partially out of confidentiality, and partially because some are graphic enough I'd be breaking our own wiki rule (Irony, no?). But I can say that while it might not be life-altering, damage can be done, and it's not fun to deal with. So here's the deal: if a user doesn't like the IRC rules, they certainly don't have to post there. If they want to troll, swear, post crap, and so on, there are hundreds of thousands of channels and chatrooms across the internet you may choose to do so in. But not in this one.

KrytenKoro - "Because I knew something he didn't. I knew that I was lying. Seriously, sir. 'No silicon heaven'? Where would all of the calculators go?" TALK - I agree with everything TNE and BK have posted. I don't want us to make the IRC some fascist echo-chamber, but it simply can't be denied that we have some of our most frequent users both flouting and mocking the very basic rules we have. The rules are not arbitrary, and they do need to be enforced.

Guys, if rules are being broken, then use the ban-hammer. Simple. As. That. If EVEN MORE mods are required, I suggest someone consider me. I'm mod at #FFwiki, and in general, I'm a pretty decent mod. Adola 10:25, July 9, 2010 (UTC)