Forum:Moving the Xehanort's Heartless Page

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Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? We've discussed moving the Xehanort's Heartless page to various other title including Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless), Ansem (Heartless), and Ansem the Seeker of Darkness. There re several reason for and against a move and so we ultimately decided to hold a topic about it on the forum as well as create a poll so that we could reach a final verdict. We'll end the poll Saturday unless there is a tie between two names. Any thoughts?

<poll> Where should we move Xehanort's Heartless? Don't Move it, leave it at Xehanort's Heartless Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) Ansem (Heartless) Ansem the Seeker of Darkness </poll>

KrytenKoro - "Because I knew something he didn't. I knew that I was lying. Seriously, sir. 'No silicon heaven'? Where would all of the calculators go?" TALK - I keep on responding to this, but there's no "the". It's just "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness".

LapisScarab Embrace... nothing! — 19:30, March 21, 2010 (UTC) I've discussed all I wanted to on Talk:Xehanort's Heartless, so from here I'll play the waiting game. If anyone has anything to add, do so here.

Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? Well, time's up and it seems that this discussion has been resolved with a final score of: Xehanort's Heartless-6 Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless)-3 Ansem (Heartless)-0 Ansem the Seeker of Darkness-2

KrytenKoro - "Hurricane beats all housing or apartments. This sucker is a Cat-6!" TALK - Ansem, Seeker of Darkness got 3, actually. I suppose this is closed for now, though I still think it's an inappropriate name.

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Update: In the BBS mysteries interview, Nomura specifically uses "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness" to refer to Xehanort's Heartless. Seeing that he is using this name in a "all spoilers, all the time" type of interview, I think it's officially his proper name.Glorious CHAOS! 04:11, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ex:

• "Xehanort’s Heartless calls himself Ansem Seeker of Darkness, and his Nobody calls himself Xemnas."
• "Ansem Seeker of Darkness thought that she had been able to search for a keyblade wielder, but what actually saved her was the magic spell Aqua had put on her."

Well, if that's the case, then we should probably move it to that. It's better than a journal entry.--Lapis ofthe Night 04:14, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? I agree. Nomura's word is law, LOL

Issues

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 14:26, April 10, 2010 (UTC) I still hate the move. It's such a complex, stupid title. Not to mention we are a Wiki about the GAME, which in terms of chronology, most recently calls him "Xehanort's Heartless," a term that has been used ever since Kindgom Hearts II, and is said in Kingdom Hearts to be the PROPER name of the entity. We are NOT a Wiki about Nomura or his interviews, where he very possibly simply used "Ansem" as an easier reference. Ansem is a more common term used to refer to Xehanort's Heartless, but it causes too much confusion in terms of things with Ansem the Wise. Just check the edit history of the "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness" page to see what I mean. An IP had added : "It is unknown what became of Ansem (the Heartless, not the Wise), as the explosion of the Kingdom Hearts Encoder seems to have released his grip on Riku's heart. If the name is to appear as "Ansem", it should ALWAYS be in quotes so we can at least differenciate a little bit between the two. I am also curious about one thing... whenever the term "Xehanort's Heartless" appears on a page, until we can FINALLY settle this matter, we change it to "Ansem," correct? Again... I don't like using the same name for two characters, even if there is a difference in titles.

Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Xehanort's Heartless is what he is, not his name. The character's only call him that to keep from confusing themselves and sort of as a way of talking down to him. In the interview, Nomura said that Xehanort spawned a Nobody, Xemnas, and a Heartless, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness. This confirms that the proper name for the Heartless is Ansem, Seeker of Darkness. While I agree the title is too wordy, it's what Nomura says his name is and in Kingdom Hearts, Nomura's word is law (even if he does get sloppy with continuity). But if we were to move it back to Xehanort's Heartless, we'd have to move Xemnas to Xehanort's Nobody and the rest organization XIII to strange titles like Luxord's Original Being's Nobody. It just wouldn't make sense. I personally prefer Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) as the title but Nomura seems to prefer Ansem, Seeker of Darkness so that's where it should be.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 14:55, April 10, 2010 (UTC) That's an entirely different case. We wouldn't be doing stupid things like "Xehanort's Nobody", as it isn't done in the series! Considering "Xehanort's Heartess" was done in the series and we are a Wiki about the series, and he referred to Xehanort's Heartless's role from the time period before Ansem was renamed Xehanort's Heartless, I'm still against the move.

Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? True, we are a wiki about the series and Nomura's interviews are just as much a part of the series as the journal. But, I do recall DiZ talking down to Xemnas in Days by calling him Xehanort's Nobody. However, I do agree that Ansem, Seeker of Darkness sounds really weird and I personally think that if we're going to keep the article in this spot that it should be Ansem the Seeker of Darkness as he calls himself at Hollow Bastion.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 15:05, April 10, 2010 (UTC) I mean we're a Wiki about in-game occurences. Nomura interviews are outside the main series. He never physically says to Xemnas "Xehanort's Nobody." He says to King Mickey "Xemnas, the Organization's superior, is the Nobody of Xehanort, my foremost apprentice." They only talk down to Xemnas by calling him Xehanort. Again, your reasons against my plight aren't getting anywhere.