Talk:Xehanort

I really don't think that his spirit went on to Terra and then Terra then lost his memory and ended up in Radiant Garden, where all he could remember was his possessor's name. It makes no sense that he has a Nobody and a Heartless yet he still appears in Kh2 final mix, i would belive that his apprentice would most likely be him Saxor 06:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

This is just a crazy probably not true theory.

Maybe Master Xehanort is Xehanort's Unbirth. Think about it, the main antagonist in KH 1 and 2 were the leader and the same thing as the enemy force: Ansem=Heartless, Xemnas=Nobody. So it only makes sense that Master Xehanort=Unbirth. But it's just a theory.--Vatek 12:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

AbOhWn - I'd rather we just skip the formalities TALK - Parley ! That's exactly what I was thinking!

I think this is a really confusing theory . An unbirth can only be created AFTER the death of a nobody and a heartless, because of this, MX can't be an unbirth, because xehanort is only defeated After KH 1 and 2. Then again, MX can be an unbirth. he spoke somewhat of how darkness wasn't the right path for him and how he didn't wan't ven to make his " mistake" It's possible MX was consummed by darkness, and became a heartless and a nobody, these in turn could have been defeated, (Birth by sleep sequels anyone?)creating MX, who kept his personality as a heartless, nobody, and now an unbirth.--142.46.164.89 22:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Name

Perhaps an irrelevant detail, but I'm wondering, is "Master" part of his name, or is it just his title/rank? Drake Clawfang 18:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a title but keep it there to avoid confusion with the other Xehanort

Xehanort

Cecil the Paladin - If light and darkness are eternal, then surely the nothing must be the same... eternal! TALK - I don't think this guy 's the same Xehanorth that spawned Ansem the Wise and Xemnas, why would he be older here, ten years before, than in KH and KHII?

are we really sure how old he is?(He might shave his head and just likes a goatee)

Even the facial features are different, dear. I'm sure our present-day Xehanort wouldn't have had a nip and tuck before actually being found by Ansem the Wise... ^_^ Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Kingdomheartsfreek - The names Axel, got it memorized. TALK - no heart, no feelings you are wrong visit my home page, that is were i have said every thing.--KHF "fight to win" 23:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

We didn't even say anything far apart from the theory. That's where YOU are wrong. All we did were guesses and requests for information, not statements. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Nomura screwed it again?

Hold on, the guy says those who wield the darkness can't use the Keyblade yet:

Xehanort, Terra and Riku clearly use them despite this....so....what's goin' on? D: Kaihedgie 00:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Was the wielding of darkness real, or was it a ploy by Maleficent ? Also, it doesn't matter what side of the scale you're on. MX might've just gotten his facts wrong. In actual fact, those with strong hearts can wield Keyblades, no matter what their alignment may be. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Exactly what I was thinkin'. In addition, you can't really call the 'Dark Keyblade' a false Keyblade, or the ones wielded by Terra, Aqua and Ven for that matter. Just because they don't have a Keychain, doesn't mean anything. The Dark Keyblade, despite lackin' such a device, still functions like any other Keyblade would: unlocking hearts and gateways to other worlds. Kaihedgie 02:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Truly, MX isn't the only one to have gotten his facts wrong : Xehanort himself did, towards the end of KH. Who knows if Nomura deliberately put it in ? We know how antagonists distort the view on things. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

MX doesn't say they aren't Capable of wielding the keyblade just that they aren't "Qualified" to. In other words, he's prejudiced. "we don't hate it it's just kinda...Scary.But the world's made of light and Darkness,you can't have one without the other;Cause Darkness is half of Everything. sorta makes ya wonder why we are scared of the dark. "It's because of who's lurking inside it." Just as Dark is not Evil, so can Light is not Good.

We don't know what the true translation is : "capable" or "qualified". But either way, MX is just one of those people who got his facts wrong. When you get your facts wrong, you have prejudices. Ansem the Wise had prejudices against Nobodies because he never wanted to accept the truth about Roxas and Namine, and he kept on screwing it up. I'm pretty sure Xehanort would've had prejudices of his own kind. If MX ever lives through to another sequel, he should see Riku. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

the phrases "Knight Templar" or "Well-intentioned Extremist" come to mind

"Light and Darkness are mear elements, only good or evil when weilded by those with good or evil hearts." True, no? In my opinion, it appears that the only "qualification" you need is a sufficiently strong heart, so long as your heart remains strong, your keyblade will stay with you, even, in some cases, a keyblade will form from your own sword if your heart's strong enough, like Riku's soul eater/way to dawn, and, even if your heart isn't in your body, the keyblade will still let you use it I.E. Roxas, Xion, heck, I bet Namine could also have weilded a keyblade, given that Kiari can. NobodiewithaHeart

Master Xehanort's "Mistake"

In the TGS2008 trailer for Birth By Sleep MX says "Use your power to defeat the darkness. And correct my mistake!". Does anyone have any idea what his "mistake" was?

probably his apprentice falling into darkness.

Joe Keyblade Aura Come chat! — You shouldn't judge anyone based on appearance. Dance, water, dance! or maybe master x made the aprentice out of the darkness in his heart

Random Shoe Resemblance

did anyone notice that MX has the exact same shoes/boots as the organization members, probably where the organization actually got the from.

Similarities

I found this picture that shows the similarities between Master Xehanort and Xehanort's heartless: File:Xehanortmasteryu6.jpg

Are they the same person or something?

User:Ninabean822

Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this? There are quite a few differences with that and more notable ones at that. 1. Xehanort's Heartless has hair and isn't bald. 2. He's not blind (milky-white eyes mean someone is blind). 3. He doesn't have any facial hair, let alone a goatee. 4. He has the tan that we all dream of instead of being paler than pale.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - The three of us can never be torn apart, all right? I'll always find a way. TALK - When I really need you, Ven, I know you'll be there. — 22:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC) Well, the current belief is that the Xehanort we know may be Terra. Terra may be the apprentice, as MX's A and MX become separated for a time (Terra's playable storylline). If Terra becomes Xehanort and is the apprentice, he may have acquired his master's old clothes.

Speculation

Yer mom - SOMOS HOMBRES O PAYASOS!!!! TALK - 20:53, October 16, 2009 (UTC) I don't know what you guys think but the speculation section in this article is a bit... crazy >.> Besides, didn't we have a policy for no speculation in articles and a Speculation header defies that completely? I propose the speculation part is moved to a forum thread so people can go wild with their thoughts there while the article remains with only the known facts.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 20:55, October 16, 2009 (UTC) I'd side with that. Wow guys, just wow. We've let the speculation thing stay this long >_>

Yer mom - SOMOS HOMBRES O PAYASOS!!!! TALK - 20:56, October 16, 2009 (UTC) Yeah I'm just moving it, since it's ridculous

New Screenshot

A recent scan[1] has a full body in-game screenshot of master xehanort maybe that would be a better picture for this article.

I have provided a better picture but Yer Mom is reverting it. --Black Summers 21:26, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 21:30, October 20, 2009 (UTC) It isn't a better picture, it's terrible quality.

... right, so you'd prefer a side-face shot over a full body shot? --Black Summers 21:31, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 21:32, October 20, 2009 (UTC) Until an actual good quality scan comes out, yes.

That's quite humorous. --Black Summers 21:33, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Don't rever the edit please. The image you uploaded is a bad quality one. We'll stick to the artwork until a better scan comes around. --—YerMom _{is feeling jolly} 21:38, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Right, next time i'll try and find one with dynamic lighting and in HD. --Black Summers 21:38, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Well at least the new one is alright.--Masgrande 07:12, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

MX's Clothes

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Has anyone else noticed that MX wears the same gloves and boots worn by Braig, Dilan and Aeleus?

I think Master Xehanort is trying to break in Ansem the Wise's lab to do experiments with the darkness in people's heart. Since Terra is infatuated with darkness (he comes across Maleficent in some pictures), it would probably be easier for him to some how summon Kingdom Hearts and fuse with Terra and become an apprentice. From there, he is now known as Xehanort, rather than Master Xehanort because he's not a keyblade wielder anymore. He forgets his memories, and then is discovered by Ansem the Wise. Once Xehanort disobeys Ansem the Wise's rules and conducts experiments with the darkness in peoples hearts, he becomes Ansem and Xemnas. Now Terra and Master Xehanort is split once again, but in a different form. Master Xehanort is more of Ansem (hence the similar clothing), and Terra is more of Xemnas (hence the remembrance of Aqua).

Terra said something will happen to his body when he meets up with Master Xehanort and Braig Terra said the he may need Ven to save him.

Now think back to a few trailers and here are some interesting things..

Terra tells Ven that he was saved by him once MX does something to Ven's (heart?) MX tells Ven to give something up

Now if you look at this it starts to fit together.

Something DOES happen to Terra's body and Ven saves him somehow. MX then focuses on getting Ven out of the picture which ends up with that scene where Terra asks what happened to his heart. MX will try again to do something to Terra as to what we don't know, and without Ven this time it might work. +++++++++++++++++++

No just to add in a bit of theory...

It's possible that whatever happens to Terra is because of Ven falling into a trap and getting knocked out of the picture so he was unable to save Terra a 2nd time. Skipping a head I think it's possible that Destiny island scene with Ven and what looks to be Aqua might be the end of the game.

Because of Ven falling into a trap the existence of Terra is no longer Terra. In the end Ven tells aqua to erase him, because he feels guilty and wants to have his existence erased as well. Aqua does something to erase Ven and some part of ven becomes one with sora.

If you think about it this would be very appropriate. Because that could make it like this, the existance of Ven is no more and in his place is the non-existent Roxas, and the existence of Terra is no more and in his place is the non-existant Xemnas.

Personally with all the KH symbolism I could really see that possible.

Anyway yeah just was kinda thinking and seeing what I could piece together.

Speculation

I think Master Xehanort is trying to break in Ansem the Wise's lab to do experiments with the darkness in people's heart. Since Terra is infatuated with darkness (he comes across Maleficent in some pictures), it would probably be easier for him to some how summon Kingdom Hearts and fuse with Terra and become an apprentice. From there, he is now known as Xehanort, rather than Master Xehanort because he's not a keyblade wielder anymore. He forgets his memories, and then is discovered by Ansem the Wise. Once Xehanort disobeys Ansem the Wise's rules and conducts experiments with the darkness in peoples hearts, he becomes Ansem and Xemnas. Now Terra and Master Xehanort is split once again, but in a different form. Master Xehanort is more of Ansem (hence the similar clothing), and Terra is more of Xemnas (hence the remembrance of Aqua).

Terra said something will happen to his body when he meets up with Master Xehanort and Braig Terra said the he may need Ven to save him.

Now think back to a few trailers and here are some interesting things..

Terra tells Ven that he was saved by him once MX does something to Ven's (heart?) MX tells Ven to give something up

Now if you look at this it starts to fit together.

Something DOES happen to Terra's body and Ven saves him somehow. MX then focuses on getting Ven out of the picture which ends up with that scene where Terra asks what happened to his heart. MX will try again to do something to Terra as to what we don't know, and without Ven this time it might work. +++++++++++++++++++

No just to add in a bit of theory...

It's possible that whatever happens to Terra is because of Ven falling into a trap and getting knocked out of the picture so he was unable to save Terra a 2nd time. Skipping a head I think it's possible that Destiny island scene with Ven and what looks to be Aqua might be the end of the game.

Because of Ven falling into a trap the existence of Terra is no longer Terra. In the end Ven tells aqua to erase him, because he feels guilty and wants to have his existence erased as well. Aqua does something to erase Ven and some part of ven becomes one with sora.

If you think about it this would be very appropriate. Because that could make it like this, the existance of Ven is no more and in his place is the non-existent Roxas, and the existence of Terra is no more and in his place is the non-existant Xemnas.

Personally with all the KH symbolism I could really see that possible.

Anyway yeah just was kinda thinking and seeing what I could piece together.