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Ventus - I'm Ventus! Call me Ven! TALK - My friends are my power and I'm theirs!17:26, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
Why merge this page with Master Eraqes(Boss)? Why would we merge this page and No Heart's page? Then we should merge Lingering Will with Terra too.
No, we shouldn't. Armor of the Master and No Heart are not the same kind of thing the Lingering Will is, according to that Nomura interview. They are data simulations of Eraqus and Xehanort, just like the Ice Colossus battle is a data simulation of the Ice Colossus, MA Zack to Zack, or the Replica Data in KH2FM are to the Organization. No other article has separate coverage of bosses that are the original vs. a data simulation (barring coded, which is a very special case), and if we separate these, logically we have to separate those, as well as the Unversed articles for all Unversed who appear in the MA."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 17:44, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
Ventus - I'm Ventus! Call me Ven! TALK - My friends are my power and I'm theirs!17:52, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for answering me!
iZerox What's your problem?! — 03:45, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
To begin I'll quote what I said on No Heart's page:
"I'm against merging this page as well as merging Armor of the Master with Eraqus. They are indeed simulations of other characters. But unlike the Absent Silhouettes and the like, these are given journal entries with their own names. These characters do not appear in these forms in any other occurrence and while it is true they're the same character in many ways, they are quite unique and distinct. Merging these would be like Merging Vanitas Remnant and Vanitas. Vanitas Remnant is obviously still Vanitas to some extent but they're quite separate as far as how the game encounters go. And they both have their own distinct journal entries as well. I oppose this merge."
In addition though Ice Colossus is a simulation of the same opponent, not another form or anything of the sort. Both No Heart and Armor of the Master are unique appearances of the characters. But to say you should make separate articles for all the unversed that appear in Mirage Arena if you don't combine these is just beyond reason. The Mirage Arena Unversed are the same as their outside the arena counterparts. They're the same in appearance, attack methods, ect. The only thing that is different is stats but that changes from world to world anyway.
Armor of the Master and No Heart are unique appearances of Eraqus and Master Xehanort. They feature fighting styles that are not identical to their fights outside the arena. They also receive unique journal entries while the unversed do not. If nothing else the fact that they get their own journal entries is enough reason to keep them separate on the wiki in my opinion. Rather than merging all that is necessary is a "See Also" at the bottom of the respective character's pages.
They actually use many of the same techniques, for one, and the difference in attacks is not much different than the difference between the Replica Data and Absent Silhouettes and their originals, which we did merge. On the "appearance" tac, Xemnas has about five different appearances, but they are all covered on one page."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 04:51, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Hell, we have "Xemnas" and "Xemnas (Armored Controller)" covered on the same page. If that's not precedent, I don't know what is."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 04:53, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
IMO, since No Heart and AotM aren't exactly Eraqus and MX, we should let them have their own pages, similar to Lingering Will that's not exactly Terra, yet we don't merge them The17Master 05:22, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
The Lingering Will has a completely separate nature. AotM is seriously a data replica of Eraqus."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 05:26, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
....you have a point, Then I agree on moving the page to Eraqus's. But, what about No Heart? Nomura hasn't confirmed yet if it's MX's armor or not, right? Moving it to MX's page would be speculatibg. The17Master 05:44, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
But at what point does obviousness exceed speculation? :| --LegoAlchemist 20:06, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
I'm with iZeroX, these two pages should be separate. I'm pretty much going by the Journal entries here; are there separate Journal entries for Armored Controller and Reg!Xemnas? --Ag (Silver) - 47107.8682 amu ~Crono 17:44, 12 February 2011 (EST)
iZerox Talk about blank with a capital B. Man, oh, man. Not even the dusks are gonna crack this one... — 22:55, 12 February 2011 (EST)
Crono I don't think Armored Controller even has a journal entry because it's an end of game boss. Your in battle constantly making it impossible to see the journal. Still against the move.
I don't know if YouTube videos count as good sources, but... the 0:28 mark of this vid clearly shows the enemy's name as "Armor of Eraqus". Can't really argue there. Immblueversion (talk) 02:17, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Is that a journal entry? If it's the pre-battle scroll, then those frequently use alternate names."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 15:35, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
In case you can't see it, here. It's either the new official name or an alternate one that deserves a redirect at the very least. TheFifteenthMember 17:19, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I can't accept this, of all new translations and re-translation done for 1.5 & 2.5 this one has to be the worst. ShardofTruth 18:35, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
So we're rejecting a name for being silly? Whatever happened to using official English translations? Doesn't the Manual of Style state that each article must share the official name of its subject? Do you plan to keep that Translation template up forever? Yeah, I know the English translations haven't had perfect track records. I mean, who else remembers the names of Ansem's apprentices? But those were honest mistranslations that were later fixed. No matter which way I look at it, this is more a deliberate name change. And if we're not going to be acknowledging this change, then I guess we'd might as well change things such as Critical Impact, Spellweaver, Royal Radiance and Master's Defender back. That, and I honestly see nothing wrong with the name "Armor of Eraqus" because, well, it's Eraqus's armor. The armor of the Master. Otherwise, I'll just get a confirmation on the enemy's Journal entry. Immblueversion (talk) 15:46, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
We're not really saying we're not gonna use it, we are, we have to, it's our policy, we just think it's a ridiculous choice on the part of the localization team, and we choose to NEVER BE HAPPY ABOUT IT EVER.
But yeah, we are going to move it, don't worry. Just let us have our hissy fit. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 15:53, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
As Neumannz said, this page will be moved. A screenshot or linked video of the journal entry (along with No Heart and Monstro) would still be nice though. --ShardofTruth 18:28, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Truth be told, you're all taking this much better than certain other Wikis I'm familiar with. I still can't get over how stubborn admins can get. In the meantime, I'm doing everything in my limited power to get the proper info. Immblueversion (talk) 19:22, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
In the 2.5 ReMIX version at least, I'm noticing a lot of times when my attacks aren't dealing damage to him. Are there any particular triggers that make him invincible for periods of time and how do you stop making him invincible (other than waiting)? TheFifteenthMember 21:21, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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