I found out the name of the place where you fight Final xemnas :D please let me add a new page--Splatt Matt 12:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Tell me what you think of doing, before you add a new page. I wouldn't wanna attack with VFD or even rollback.
Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne
Org. XIII
I just realized, we have enough people to be Org.XIII. I'll work on a design. (Edit): Here it is.-Azul(talk ・contribs) 06:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Pretty! And flashy 8D. But there is only one girl in Org. XIII and there is more than one girl in the staff... unless someone wants Xion... but who knows what he/she counts as XD. --Yer mom 15:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Or, all the unactive staff members keep their hoods up, so people know who is active. Ultima 16:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I had to be away for all this, n'est-ce pas ? Once I'm back on the wiki full-time, give me Xion !
Oh, and yes, I'm back, but only for a short time - because I'm already back in KL but I have to leave for Camp Miri on Friday morning.
Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - Don't worry. You might forget about me...But, with our promise, I'll come back.
TNE, you're here! I'm so glad that you're okay! I wanted to see you again so badly! I miss you. How are you?
Okay, but pretty worn out. And the second half of NS is more dangerous than the first. Ping me on my talk page - because I'm too lazy to head to IRC right now.
Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - Don't worry. You might forget about me...But, with our promise, I'll come back.
Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— 19:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
just wandering, do we have renders of any hooded org. members, other than Marluxia (or is this Xemnas?) ?
It just seems weird to have the same hooded guy for all the inactive staff...
Azul81677 - "Ebil minds think ebily alike." - A collaboration between 2 very ebil minds TALK - 22:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
No, those would be hard to find unless SE actually released them.
Inactivity
What do you mean, inactive : Troisnyxetienne ?
Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:41, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
List of staff
Can someone please list all the staff members of KHW and their respective positions ? I see quite a lot of users with the Paopu badge/the Staff member black Keyblade template and a number of them haven't been listed in the Staff page. TNÉEn avantBravo ! 01:38, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
The Paopu badge was made for users who were nominated for mod/adminship, it doesn't mean they are admins or mods except for the ones who actually got the spot which are Kryten (admin), DTN and HoO (mods). I think all the staff is listed here, if there's someone with they key template and is not listed here then they are probably misusing it. --—YerMom is feeling jolly 01:47, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
Okay. So I guess the current list is correct. TNÉEn avantBravo ! 02:53, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
Inactive Moderator
Troisnyxetienne is on Wiki-break for at least three weeks. Since this could be considered a long period of time, I think we should probably put her down as inactive until we know that she'll be fully active again. --DoorToNothingKupo! 00:46, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
I was on her page and talk page over at the Kingdom Hearts Francophone Wiki to ask her something and her page said that the Francophone will be her permanent base from now on. - HeartOfOblivion 04:52, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
Pardon, gentlemen, but you're suggesting that contact towards the specified is pointless here? Or did she perhaps leave some other form of contact? - EternalNothingnessXIII 04:54, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
Well, first she said that she would be gone to help with some huge mess at the Francophone and two days for a summit. She then changed it to taking a hiatus for three weeks and that it might be an indefinite period. And as I said, she said on her userpage over at the Francophone that the Francophone will now be her homebase.
This could mean that she will be gone longer then three weeks. DTN suggested moving her name to inactive because we don't know when she will come back and so no one like an anon or new user tries to contact her for help and get no response. We could put a note saying if you urgently need to talk to her, contact her over at the Francophone. - HeartOfOblivion 05:13, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
Right... but when she says break, I think she means it. I don't think she really would want to be bothered. - EternalNothingnessXIII 05:30, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
Ultima Active?
I read a conversation between Ultima and NinjaSheik implying that he was active again. The conversation is on his talk page. Shouldn't he be moved back into "Active" in the Admin section? --DTN 21:06, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
I think so.--NinjaSheik 21:13, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Kingdom Hearts Birth by sleep
Im wondering why on the front page it said not to add any Birth by sleep siolors.
24.184.224.100 03:11, January 10, 2010 (UTC) KingdomHearts530
I have information
I have information regarding Vanitas and master Xehanort. Why can't i edit. It's real and plausible information from the game plot.--XessEmperor 16:00, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Because there's a spoiler policy enforced. You can add them in the talk page though, because talk pages are exempt from that. At least that's what I see from Vanitas' talk page. Ironic. BLUER一番 12:11, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Inactivity
Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 18:39, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
User and Moderator DoorToNothing has recently become inactive (he decided to leave the Wiki). Please make note of this. I'm not sure what our next action should be in terms of finding a replacement, or even if we need to.
Sounds like a good idea, but perhaps a forum thread to discuss this more? BLUER一番 02:41, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
I agree. It sound like a great idea :D (Whoops, I guess I'm not an admin)--LegoAlchemist 02:54, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
Hein ?
Don't we have four mods ?
This monster... This is no Unversed. Just a dweller of Darkness. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 12:32, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
LevL Fear my mighty instruments! — 12:33, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
The other two are now admins.
Already ?
This monster... This is no Unversed. Just a dweller of Darkness. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 12:40, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
On that topic, TNE, since we only have two mods, what Heartless/Unversed would you prefer? We can switch to a different them for those guys if you want. Maybe Fortuneteller and Luna Bandit? Or Symphony Master/Iron Prisoner/Mimic Master/Trinity Armor.GloriousCHAOS! 12:44, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, if it's an Unversed... Symphony Master FTW ! ^_^ But I think, to be fair, we'd have both of us take a similar type of Heartless/Unversed. If I'm a Blue sea-salt, then Urutapu would go along these lines, for example.
I leave it at your discretion ^_^ TROISNYX AMDG 12:52, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
EDIT 12:55, April 11, 2010 (UTC) : Should I come up with something for the Admins table ? I could link each image to the user profile, but I'll have to upload each icon to PB... I dare not use the Wiki servers for this. TROISNYX AMDG
EDIT 02:11, April 12, 2010 (UTC) : Yes, and for the last time, NELOANGELO IS A GIRL ! XDDDDDDDDD TROISNYX AMDG 02:11, April 12, 2010 (UTC) P.S. : I really ROFL-ed at that one.
Trial (pardon me for the fact that I'm not using the Sandbox)
Alright, so right now, we need to gather characters from the iSeries, since that's the best way to go about the admin site for now. We don't have enough BBS icons... And using the talk sprites is going to bring back an age-old strategy which I had initially planned for the Staff page. TROISNYX AMDG
I kind of like the Organization thing, since we now have exactly 14 admins, but if we have to change, why not use the Mobile sprites that most of us already use?GloriousCHAOS! 13:18, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Aaaaa, good idea. I'll get to it right away. ^_^ I think there's one for everyone. You're using Firion, aren't you ? TROISNYX AMDG 13:27, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
EDIT 13:34, April 11, 2010 (UTC) : Who do I use for the rest ? TROISNYX AMDG
EDIT 13:37, April 11, 2010 (UTC) : OXIII wouldn't work unless... we switch NeloAngelo to Xion, since NA's a female. So I'll copy/paste the entire thing back here, with links. TROISNYX AMDG
For Mobile, I'm using Trickmaster.
NA's a girl?! That...that actually explains a lot. Wow.GloriousCHAOS! 13:50, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Bluer was the one who told me over on the IRC, shhhhh ! :P So all the pics on the Staff page are linked to the respective user pages, rather than the file pages. So that way I don't think anyone can tamper with them. TROISNYX AMDG 13:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Azul?
Organization 13 - I'd rather we just skip the formalities. TALK - How I love a game!
Um... Azuls name seems to have dissapeared in his Saix box
DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven!
And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 22:52, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
That is purposefully done; Azul81677 is no longer an administrator on the Kingdom Hearts Wiki, though we do not want our Organization XIII-based setup to be ruined.
Organization 13 - I'd rather we just skip the formalities. TALK - How I love a game!
But could'nt you take out Xion and be normal Organization XIII? What happened to him
So, I'm pretty sure we decided to do this once BBS was released in English. I just want to lay some groundwork here.
We currently have four fully retired admins (Bluerfn is still a beuracrat, and Hexed still shows up on IRC).
When we do the next set of promotions:
Do we want to have discussion on replacement admins, or just move up the current mods and elect replacements for them?
Do we want to request bureaucracy for some of the current admins, so that in the future we don't have to wait on Bluerfn? I think BK and GS would be the best fit for that, if they want it.GloriousCHAOS! 23:33, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
I think we should see how we are doing when the time comes; based on what little vandalism we already get, I do not think that creating more administrators would be necessary. Let's just wait until the time comes for this one, methinks. However, I don't support the movement of a regular user up to an administrator without first becoming a moderator, since moderators are part of a "path-like" hierarchy toward adminship.
Secondly, that sounds great, as long as the receiving administrators are active and available at the time. --DTN 23:52, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
I edited the Cursed Carriage page with an Appearance section. I hope it looks ok.
LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
Umm, yeah, it looks good (by the way, have you seen this?) but why are you bringing it up here? This is about the wiki's staff.
Oh good lord. I'm sorry. Wrong section...(It's been a long day)..What is that in that link?
How do you show your avatar and get colors when you post??-Later Kupos
Remember, this talkpage is for discussions about the staff page. Let's continue this conversation on your talkpage.--Xion4ever 19:40, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the help section, etc., tells people with questions to "ask the staff", and points them to this page. If we don't want them here, that needs to be redirected. However, since the staff page is (or should be) locked to sysops only, I don't see why we couldn't use this talk page for general purposes.GloriousCHAOS! 20:37, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
I say we build a page that has a contact list for staffers. It could link to talk pages and stuff. Like, Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Staff/Contacts or somethin. LegoAlchemist 00:21, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
So this is a bad idea? --LegoAlchemist 21:02, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
Just Asking...
Hi I wanted to know that i've been editing some "stub" articles and i want to ask if i could make my own theory on the Soul Article i just wanted to know if i could and ask u guys and get your permission... Write back to me ASAP please... Thanks.
7th heaven 18:03, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
No theories. Period. And stop adding questions to the articles.--ΧƳƵach. 18:07, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry :' ( You don't have to be so mean... i'm sorry i even asked.7th heaven 18:25, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
I was going to undo everything i typed but it was all gone. I'm sorry that i add questions on some articles, but the questions are worth thinking about. 7th heaven 18:31, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
There's a problem with the IRC
There have been no OPs on. Kryten was a temp OP,but he spammed . DemonicSaint,Cherries, and maggosh cursed even when he was a temp op. AT this moment he is one. Just now Azul deoped him. Can you do something about this? --SDC - My friends aremy power! 01:31, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
I did not spam, and I did not curse. I talked to maggosh, and he doesn't know what you're talking about either.GloriousCHAOS! 02:27, June 25, 2010 (UTC)\
Dang it! I would've loved to have been there. I'm not sure if Glorious Chaos does that kind of stuff, but admins have there moments. [Ѧüя◎ґ]
Wait, was it maggosh? I need to remember. Sorry Kryten, you only need something like "ass" once. --SDC - My friends aremy power! 14:21, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
ass does not mention it being an obscenity.GloriousCHAOS! 16:39, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
"The Supreme Court has found that, when used in the context of the First Amendment, the word "obscenity" is usually limited to content that directly refers to explicit sexual acts that are publicly accessible."GloriousCHAOS! 16:40, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
I think SDC's point is... we need more or better active ops. --LegoAlchemist 22:58, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
I think 2 more would be good. Personally, I don't like the voting process. I want the admins--scratch that. [Ѧüя◎ґ]
All admins here are already ops. So... they would have to be non-sysop. --LegoAlchemist 23:14, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
Yea we need more RESPONSIBLE OPS THAT WON'T ABUSE THEIR POWERS (I'm not saying any ops currently abuses their powers) —DemonicKunai 23:32, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Well, not saying that some op's DON'T abuse their powers, but I do think we need more ops, with Saph's absence and all. --LegoAlchemist 23:36, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
A system of dealing with inappropriate chat is already in development. I do apologize for my recent deparetures from the IRC, I have had a few vacations and trips that I have been on. Appointing new channel operators does not solve the problem at hand. You have many active and responsible operators. What I think that you are all forgeting is that all channel operators are prone to having to leave for periods of time due to their lives outside of the wiki. You all know that has been happening to me lately, it has happened to other channel operators, and it will happen to any new channel operators we would decide to induct. For this reason, there will always be times when no channel operators are online. I think that appointing new channel operators is a hasty and overpowerful decision to make. The new function Adola is working on for NumberXVMoogle will be very helpful in dealing with profane chatters. For those who see a problem with KrytenKoro's style of monitoring the channel, he is new to the IRC, our channel's policy, and the OP abilities. I can very strongly suggest that we just let time go by, as these were all just certain situations caused by factors that are very unlikely to repeat themselves once these new measures are taken to monitor the language and outputs posted on the channel. However, most importantly, remember this: channel operators are not your babysitters. We are not there just to monitor your language and clean up the mess made by offensive or profane chat. When you log onto the IRC, you need to be responsible, and not just think that the channel operators are the only ones who are responsible for the problems with language and offensive outputs. From what I can see here, all that is being done is blaming the channel operators and working off of that. You, as an IRC user, are just as responsible for your own language and chat you use on the IRC, and you need to be a part of the solution even more than the OPs do. Therefore, there is more than just adding more users who can Kick those who are "bad." The community needs to straighten up and get serious as well. If this cannot be done, serious measures may have to be taken, such increasing the strcitness of our rules and policy or removing the channel completely. I'm sorry, but the problems on the IRC are getting ridiculous, and are having to be dealt with on the wiki. This was never intended to happen, and should never have to have been brought to the wiki. --DTN 00:31, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
You make an excellent point, DTN. I almost completely agree. I think the idea of inducting new ops came forth because, last time there were no ops around, three random users were oped. I believe the idea is to ensure that there is always an op online so that we don't have to op three random users who have NO op experience. This isn't entirely about the matter of assuming good faith. To me, this strikes as if there are ever any "incidents", and there are no ops to handle it, we'll need at least one trustworthy user online, I guess :P --LegoAlchemist 00:48, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with you, DTN, but this week, four of the "most active" operators (DTN, SSC, Sapharus and Xion4ever) were absent. I totally respect the reasons for why they were not present, but for 3 or 4 nights in a row, people have been spamming and potty-mouthing. These people don't choose to listen to non-operative IRC users, so when these instances happened, there was no-one around to stop them. I know adding new OPs won't solve this problem in the long term, but I don't think that adding a potty-mouth-detection function to the bot will solve it either. Perhaps if something like this happens again (i.e. nearly all of the most active operators have to leave for a period of time) maybe temporary OPs wouldn't be such a bad idea to consider? Lego, I've had op experience before... Dan - Don't Blink! ♫ 08:13, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for the random but-in, but is spamming adding too many links to youtube videos or abusing the NumberXVMoogle? Organization13 10:03, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
I think so. {{AurorSig}
I agree with you DTN,but it's just like what the others said. Maybe 1 OP should try coming to the IRC long enough to select about 2 or 3 Temp Ops. It was kind of going well with the Temp OPS until Blue(I think it was) unoped them and the people with no experience always OP people that happen to curse alot. 13:46, June 26, 2010 (UTC)--SDC - My friends aremy power! 13:46, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
Adola's system of monitoring profane chat through NumberXVMoogle is now functioning. In that case, Dan, the issue is not the operators, but the temporary channel operators who did not follow the ban policy in dealing with offences. I can tell you that, of those four channel operators, I am back, two others were on vacation (one of which is back), and the other is going to absent for an unknown period of time. We're around, but remember that you have more than just four channel operators.
Furthermore, I am not against using temporary channel operators, sinc eI have granted users temporary channel operator status before. My only concernw tih it is that when you become a temporary channel operator, you follow the same rules taht a regular channel operator does, and that the functions are given to an online user(s) that is monitoring the channel. In addition, the temporary channel operator(s) should be de-OPed immediately when a function-granted channel operator logs in. --DTN 16:30, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
I realise that we have more than 4 active operators, but I was just giving an example of the "most" active ops. Also, I'd like to add that I've had to remind several users about Rule 1 - "Play nice with others" several times over the past few days. Dan - Don't Blink! ♫ 16:41, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
I apologize for my abscene on both the wiki and IRC (most of you know why). However, I will admit that we've had a similar problem before when I first joined the wiki/IRC. We fixed that problem with another channel operator election. I'm not sure if this is necessary, but it is a thought. I don't believe our problem is a lack of operators, but a result of conflicting real life and wiki life problems. This is a reminder to all (including the spammers/rule breakers, should you be reading this): we [channel operators] usually find out who's causing problems rather quickly. Don't think the rule breaking will go unnoticed, we will find out eventually. To those users present when such spamming/bashing was happening: Yuan and Gamer can be found on the FF Wiki's IRC channel along with a few other channels. Just because they aren't on #wikia-kingdomhearts doesn't mean they aren't online somewhere else. You could always ping ( /query <nick> ) them or look on other channels. Also, we could have users from Central Wikia's IRC channel (#wikia) become operators on our channel, if Yuan or Azul give them the proper flags. Maybe this is a better solution? Similar to the few times central wikia users had to ban a few vandals on the wiki when our admins weren't active at certain times. That is just a thought..
I'm sorry for my sudden inactivity. Hopefully, that will soon change... -Xion4ever
Kingdom Hearts Coliseum
Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 18:00, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
Hi Staff! I have a request to make. Do you know the Dragon Neck Colosseum of the FFwiki? I was wondering... It would be nice for us to have one.
I would like to make one and handle the stuff. ZACH and KKD are also willing to help.
KKD came up with and idea. Each 4 months we pick the winner of each week and make a tounament. Daily battles to pick the favorite among the favorites. So that we don't become a copy of DNC.
I'll not be here for the next three days. I'll gladly wait for your answer when I come back from my trip. I'm already working on a prototype version of it.
Where to get Xehanort report #12?! I need it, since I'm playing Proud mode in KH BBS, to get to the Final Episode? PRETTY PLEASE, and THANK YOU very much, this wiki rocks! :D
We had discussed this already. By "we" I mean half of us at least. TROISNYX AMDG 06:02, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
Azul said he wanted to be retired, though.GloriousCHAOS! 22:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
As of last night, he has returned. - EternalNothingnessXIII 22:49, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
TNE: Was this decision on the IRC? If consensus is being made on the IRC, it needs to be present on the wiki as well, for all parties to take part in. If that was done, the issue with our conflicting reorganizations could have been avoided, and I would have gotten another hour of sleep instead of reorganizing the page only to find it completely different the next day.
On the subject of Azul81677, he told me last night on an IRC Channel that Bluerfn asked him to be an administrator again, and he agreed to take his position back. --DTN 02:21, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it indeed was. On your req, I'll have it documented, later tonight after dinner/prayers. TROISNYX AMDG 11:07, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
EDIT 02:21, August 26, 2010 (UTC) : Okay. This is what happened. I signed in. BK and Bluer and Neumannz and Maggosh and Azul and ENX were there. That made six of us. And it was on the main KHIRC channel that we discussed the layout together. It's from those discussions that I'm applying whatever I remember here.
And whilst I'm at it, the final leg of the remodel begins... now. TROISNYX AMDG
Any staff on duty
The images here need to be moved to their new names, and have the links corrected across the wiki.GloriousCHAOS! 13:09, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
Understood, I'll get to work. maggosh 13:16, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
Will handle it once I'm in Hertfordshire. TROISNYX AMDG 15:55, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
Restructuring
Confirmed
Kryten (Axel)
DTN (Ventus)
Neumannz (Roxas ?)
Ultima (Sora)
Maggosh (Vanitas)
Xion4ever (Xion ?)
ENX (Terra)
Myself (Aqua)
Declining
Azul
Hexed ?
Has anyone else said yes, has anyone declined or do we have to do staff elections soon ? TamboursTonnerreEnsemble ! 06:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)
I never said no. maggosh 18:11, 11 February 2011 (EST)
Well, it has to be a yes then. ^_^ 147.197.190.70 18:13, 11 February 2011 (EST)
Okay, Azul and Hexed said that if they ever decide to edit again, they would like to be re-opped, but for our purposes their seats are open.
We still need word back from bluerfn or bebop - if neither of them want to edit here, we do immediate staff elections, otherwise we wait until the 18th.
Otherwise...anybody who doesn't show up for this, we don't both with staff notices again."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 18:43, 11 February 2011 (EST)
I'd like to bring about something from the forums back on the KH-Wiki. There was a discussion about premoting users to mods, right? I was wondering if that was still standing.--NinjaSheik 18:47, 11 February 2011 (EST)
Yeah — shouldn't it be on ? We were short on mods the whole time... 147.197.190.70 20:17, 11 February 2011 (EST)
EnglishJoker the Moderator
I was a Moderator on the old KH Wiki but I'm not on the list on this new Wiki. Could someone please add me if I still hold that position? EnglishJoker 19:01, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
You were just elected, right? As the community of the old wiki made you a moderator after the split, it means you do not hold the position here. Sorry.
DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven!
And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 21:04, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
Precisely. To clarify,
Now that the wikis have been split, any newly promoted staff members do not receive the same rights or promotions on the other wiki.
DeviantART
What's the point in this? I don't see how it benefits the wiki, as one of goals isn't to set up an artistic guild or community. That's totally unrelated to the goal of creating a complete encyclopedia of our topic in the greatest breadth and depth as possible. Our goal isn't to become the "KHWiki Empire" across the Internet, setting up accounts wherever we can. We use only what we need directly for the promotion of the site--not the creation of a group of fanartists. We don't even approve of fanart, for crying out loud. Nonetheless, the notion was appreciated, but certainly should have been discussed first among the community. I, though, find it rather useless to our goals. --DTN 00:04, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
Its just some harmless fun with art, like an off-wiki Mirage Arena. Not everything has to benefit us to exist. --Ag (Silver) - 47107.8682 amu ~Crono 08:10, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
We don't approve of fanart on the wiki. When you think about it, this is going to help keep fanart off the wiki. Users who want to share their fanart with other wiki users can now do so without using the wiki itself. Also, drawing competitions like the good ol' Naminé's Drawoff could now be held there, not on the wiki, and heck, if you really want, we could feature each month's featured images there in order to promote ourselves. Dan - Don't Blink! ♫ 09:07, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
SilverCrono: If we are going to use our wiki's definite name as an account name, then yes, it does need to benefit us somehow. There's no purpose in us making a bunch of accounts on social networking sites, for example, to simply post jokes and quotes rather than try to spread the word of our wiki. While simply having an account does in an odd, twisted sense spread the "word" of the wiki, you have to take into account what audience is being targeted. On Facebook and Twitter, for example, the communities are huge and diverse, meaning that we can attract people who are willing to edit and work hard to improve the wiki. A fanart site, on the other hand, only promotes us to fanartists, which are useless to the growth of an encyclopedia.
Dan36: No, it really won't. Fanart isn't allowed on this wiki's database at all, so it makes no difference whether or not it's linked to from the user's Photobucket or Imageshack rather than their DeviantART account. It doesn't provide any new service with fanart: we already have TWO, if not THREE accounts for this wiki on Photobucket that we use to share images, and that has been working perfectly for us. Simply put, there is no reason or problem that would justify or prompt changing our external image host. Competitions like Naminé's Drawoff are meant to be hosted on the wiki since we have more control with full-coded editing on a page, rather than being without a central hosting location or project page. Competitions should be hosted on the wiki because they are for the wiki, produced by the wiki, promote the wiki, and celebrate the wiki.
My opinion remains unshaken; I find no purpose in having a deviantART account for this wiki, one that especially does not benefit the wiki. --DTN 20:38, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
I have to admit, DTN has a point. Having an account on a database that promotes fandom really doesn't help this wiki; it actually promotes fandom on this wiki.
(Also, why are we talking about DeviantART on the Staff page?) --ASIF! 20:49, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
This was the first place I saw it, since it's featured in a section on the page. --DTN 20:58, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
I really see no point in having an off wiki Facebook, MySpace, or Twitter accounht, in all honesty. How many new users have we gained from those? Close to none. Heck, our regular editors barely even found it (I had manually invite Kryten and Bluer). The people that follow us on Twitter are either editors or Kingdom Hearts related websites, not new people seeing a Twitter page called #KHWiki and going "Hey, look, a wiki, I'll go become a full fledged editor there!". KRCCFNFistiredof beingSTEPPED ON. 21:49, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
If we are planning on having regular fanart contests, a deviantart would certainly make sense. However, it doesn't make a whole ton of sense otherwise. I suppose it would be useful for community socialization, but we do already have a photobucket and all that.
If used properly, I believe the Twitter (and maybe even facebook, for that matter) account could be beneficial. It could be used as sort of an offsite Trinity Archives for users who can't get online all the time (such as myself, as of recent events). I believe this solution was the general consensus for the fate of the Twitter account during the last Roundtable. This should absolutely be discussed during June's Roundtable -- I have already taken the liberty of adding it to the topic list. As for me, I completely agree with DTN here -- though I'm not opposed to using it as a host for future fanart contests, the deviantART account really doesn't do much for us; we shouldn't spread out the community just for the sake of spreading out the community. We aren't an empire.
Stuff like this needs to be discussed before it is done... ...TNE, are you listening here? --LegoAlchemist 03:14, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
Rearranging
I believe that we should alter the layout of the page to differentiate between "retired" and "inactive". For instance, users such as Xion, Crono, and maggosh, who are all self- admitedly inactive, but still contribute when they can, should be listed in the section "inactive", while users like Hexed, Bluer, and Kryten (who should still be listed here, as retired) would be listed under "retired", as they no longer edit, or choose to no longer use their staff powers. KRCCFNFistiredof beingSTEPPED ON. 20:00, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Kryten is not retired, Kryten is demoted. Kryten could not use his old op powers even if he wanted to. Kryten should be removed from the page entirely, and Kryten also recommends an election to get the wiki at least back to two bureaucrats."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 22:30, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Not only should we move someone up to bcrat, we should move 1 or 2 people up to admin, as quite a few admins have gone inactive recently. Chitalian8 01:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Even if Kryten is "demoted", Kryten should still be listed on this page, as Kryten was staff, even if Kryten was demoted on Kryten's own admission. My recommendation about the "retired" staff is exactly that; users who don't retain their powers, but once had them (which is why I think we should bring over the names of users like Scottch and Riku, our founder). KRCCFNFistiredof beingSTEPPED ON. 03:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
The issue is not with having active admins; not at all. We have plenty of active ones plus at least two that can be contacted by the IRC for emergencies. KHWiki.net also does not get very much vandalism or issues requiring the use of administrative rights. As KrytenKoro suggested, however, it may be a good idea to add a new bureaucrat. --DTN 06:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
The retired staff is not for "all previous staff". It is for staff who have specifically kept their powers, but choose not to be active anymore -- they are listed as a "last resort" for asking for help. If they don't have staff powers, then there is no purpose listing them on the page -- all it will do is encourage messages from confused users.
Scottch and Riku are not our founders. We are a different wiki now. DTN, Neumannz, and the other staff at the time could fairly be said to be our founders.
Kryten was gotdang fired, and would prefer to not be listed on the page at all, so that people can just forget about the situation and not remind him of it and humiliate him with it all the time."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 07:16, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
And yet we have this lovely Talk page discussion to remind him. All the time. maggosh 16:44, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
All right, everyone, simmer down! First of all, I hardly think it's necessary for anyone to be moved to admin because we haven't gotten a lot of vandalism yet. I agree with the point of moving someone up to bureaucrat. As for the restaffing, maybe we can wait until more news of Kingdom hearts 3D or something to come out. I think if users are inactive they should be place under inactive, but shouldn't be strip of their powers. Once the new Kingdom Hearts games come out, we're going to be busy again and we might need those powers again. Plus, many of those users who chosen to be inactive right now may come back when news of Kingdom Hearts come out. Isn't the September Toyko Game Show or whatever is coming pretty soon? I'm not happy about anyone becoming inactive as the next person, but I think we should slow down and take one step at a time.--NinjaSheik 16:52, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Ninja. I, for one, think Kryten's "firing" was childish, immature, and unwarranted. There are others involved more deserving of such an act, and Kryten is NOT one of them. maggosh 16:57, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Seconded. Well said, maggosh. My thoughts exactly! - EternalNothingnessXIII 16:58, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, both. Kryten being "fired" isn't the word I would use. Kryten said it himself: He just demoted his powers. Although I think it was unnecessary, because as I said above, when the wiki becomes busy with the hustle and bustle when more Kingdom Hearts news, we might need those powers again. I think Kryten should get his powers back, because we will need them when the time comes. If he would to become inactive for certain reasons, I won't argue about placing him under inactive, but I know for certain that we won't leave us forever or anything. He's our translator for one thing, so the Kingdom Hearts Wiki will ALWAYS need him, no matter what.--NinjaSheik 17:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
I never said, anywhere in this conversation, that we should restaff. And DTN, I never said the issue was with having active staff; did you even read my first two posts? KRCCFNFistiredof beingSTEPPED ON. 17:40, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
The Inexistent... asdfjkl; asdfjkl; asdfjkl; asdfjkl;. That post was not in reply to you and I'm not sure how you interpreted it that way. See Chitalian's message. --DTN 19:57, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
I figured that right after I responded. I was just assuming that, because I have brought this up before, it wa directed to me, even if indirectly. KRCCFNFistiredof beingSTEPPED ON. 20:23, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
I think I have missed (again) some important development here. What's the demoting and firing of Kryten about? --ShardofTruth 21:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Basically, Kryten says that he doesn't edit that much anymore, and he doesn't see a reason to have Staff powers anymore. His reasoning is here. Chitalian8 22:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
^this. I think it's funny that for once I'm not involved at all and have no idea what's going on.
What IS going on? --LegoAlchemist 23:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Then, by all intents and purposes, Kryten is a retired staff member, and belongs under that section. And if you whine about forgetting about the situation, and being humiliated, man the hell up. maggosh 00:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Now, now, everyone. Simmer down, all right? No need to curse or get worked up. I think Kryten shouldn't be considered "retired". As I said before, he might need his powers back one day, and even he doesn't think he needs them now, he will need them soon.--NinjaSheik 00:13, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Regarding Kryten's self-demotion, all of you need to relax and stop drama-ing it up. Nothing has been done that can't be undone if and when it's ever necessary, and it's Kryten's prerogative to take himself out of the role of staff for as long as he wants, even if it's indefinitely.
As far as the staff page goes, all the members listed, both active and inactive, are editors with moderator, admin, or bureaucrat rights (assuming they logged in at least once after we moved). The list is supposed to direct those who are looking for those with authority and staff powers. While Kryten could still be considered an "authority" of sorts, since he has divested himself of all powers, he is practically the opposite of the "Retired and Inactive staff", who "retain all of their powers... but are inactive".
I am against listing Kryten on this page, since that would be essentially counterproductive to his stepping-down in the first place, but if you insist on it, you're gonna need a new heading. (Something like "wise crotchety old hermit".) --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 02:33, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
So, can I proceed with the distinction between the two, if Kryten is left out? KRCCFNFistiredof beingSTEPPED ON. 02:49, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
How's "Powerless Retirees"? maggosh 04:49, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
"Elderly and irrelevant invalids".
Elderly perphaps but irrelevant? Every time I check the enemy template (to see if I can use some part for other purposes) I'm not able to see any words, they just look like foreign shapes which lead to confusion and angry outbursts. That's how your templates are. How can we hope to understand them without you Kryten? --ShardofTruth 17:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Retiring
Not sure where to mention this, but I'm going to be retiring from my 'Administrator' position. I'll still be present on the wiki, and the IRC channels. I just won't be handling any 'Admin' duties. This isn't a full retirement since I plan on coming back, but it's just for now until I can actually have time to contribute. Thought I'd mention it here for discussion. You have wormed your way to the verynadir of repugnance.-Erry 23:39, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
I would like to say something here, I do plan on un-retiring (if that's even a word) come Summer, as my academic year at University will be over by the 3rd/2nd week of May. Just saying that from now until then, I'll be semi-active, then I'll return to being active after May. You have wormed your way to the verynadir of repugnance.-Erry 23:51, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Declaration of temporary inactivity
So, pretty much what I said over on Neumannz's talkpage and on the IRC...and the past month. >>; But just to follow along with our new staff policy...
I, Xion4ever, will be temporarily inactive starting tomorrow (August 10, 2014) until the first/second week of December due to university. This is not to say I will not edit; I plan on editing here during the school year when I can. However, every day activity on here will not be a priority. Which I am sad to say. However, I can always be contacted daily off the Wiki on Facebook and email. If there is anything else to discuss or determine of this, I leave it to the editors of the Wiki and staff. Xion4ever 03:08, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Declaration of temporary inactivity (part 2)
As per our staff policy again....I will be temporarily inactive starting this weekend (January 10)/next week until the second/third week in May due to university studies. I still plan on editing here during the school year when I can, especially with Operation: Keychain in motion. Checking in every couple of days is highly likely for me. However, every day editing/activity on here will not be a priority, sorry to say. I do not intend on leaving this place; I will [completely] return once finals are over. I plan on continuing activity on the off site accounts in which I am responsible for: Twitter and Facebook. Likewise, I will be available for contact every day off-Wiki through the means of Facebook and email-heck, maybe even Twitter if you find my personal account. I am listed/known on the Facebook page, and a few editors know my email. I will still be here for the rest of this week to edit/do staff things/etc. Thanks guys, just wanted to let you know. Xion4ever 20:21, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
"The door to a new journey is just about to open."
I hereby submit my resignation as administrator on the Kingdom Hearts Wiki as per our staff policy. I will be inactive for a period of two years starting May 20, 2015, and will not be checking-in during that time. Additional information can be found here There are some notable duties that may have to be reassigned:
Our Google+ page. Please message me before May 10 if you're interested.
Twitter. I leave the decision on whether to replace me or to just remove me to Pea14733 and Xion4ever. Namely, though, someone will have to take care of the #KHGuessthatQuote, #MirageArena, and #KHFavorite tweets.
SEIWA. We need someone to keep pushing to get this back together. This includes the Square Enix Wiki!
Operation:Keychain - Just someone to monitor the Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki, please! Other details, Chainoffire and Xion4ever should be able to take care of, because not much has been done that they don't know about.
I'll be setting up a folder with all my wiki-related work and give access to certain people on the wiki, should any of the contents prove useful (like the Featured User award template, Twilight Times logo and magazine cover files, etc.)
I appreciate all your trust and friendship that all you guys have given me, and will see you guys again in two years' time. KeybladeSpyMaster 20:12, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Redoing this page
The Staff list is horribly outdated. Who's doing what? A new set of images and links is due. TRSNX 22:24, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
If you get me your ideas soon on what you want, I could probably make it work. But I'd need to know by tomorrow for me to do something (specifically anything related to making images on Photoshop). Otherwise, someone else would have to make them. I thought Erry had just recently made these images, though. KeybladeSpyMaster 22:31, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
I have a choice of:
the black KH symbols.
specific thumbnails depicting characters of the Staff's choice.
I MAY be able to source GIFs of these, but they're most likely going to be really brightly-coloured PNGs with some swatches of colour thrown in.
It's likely going to be in grid form like the examples further above the page, but considering we've become a lot better in making our own templates, I wonder if that grid can be updated aesthetically. TRSNX 12:27, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the current staff page but if you want to make an improvement draft, go ahead. TheFifteenthMember 17:11, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't think there's anything wrong per se, it's just that it still shows Maggosh as admin when by wiki protocol, he ought to be retired -- and a lot of the staff is outdated, or needs updating. TRSNX 18:44, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Chainoffire - "Hey, wait... I'm enjoying this. You guys are something else!" TALK - :) Chainoffire 06:50, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Bringing this back up, according to Special:ListUsers it should be as follows:
Move to retired page: Erry, UnknownChaser, LevL, Maggosh
Yes?
TheFifteenthMemberYes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way.— TheFifteenthMember 16:07, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, except Erry declared his inactivity so he should remain on the page in grayscale for when he returns. Also, maggosh and LevL haven't received warnings for their inactivities so we should send them some notification first to see what's up.
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
I've seen LevL's name in the RC where it shows what users are currently on the wiki from time to time. LevL appears, but never edits. According to Maggosh's contributions, he made an edit back in May. I sometimes saw him edit on the FF Wiki a few times, too, but his activity has declined. He seems to have only popped in once and a while.
TheFifteenthMemberI like white. I find it goes well with yellow, but only if you want it to.— TheFifteenthMember 18:45, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Apparently, we never defined "inactivity" in the staff policy. Personally, I think that an edit every two months or floating over the RC doesn't count as being active. I think that someone is inactive when their contributions are no longer meaningful to the wiki (horrible, vague definition). What are other people's views?
Until Erry returns from inactivity like he says he will during the summer, I wholeheartedly agree with Chain. As for the definition of "inactivity," there needs to be a time lapse before a staff member counts as inactive (because someone can just blip out; I know I have). Also, I don't know if one's contributions would be no longer meaningful to the wiki UNLESS, UNLESS said staff member fits the bill of an example I'm about to share:
In the Kingdom Hearts Francophone Wiki there used to be three admins (including myself). Two of us -- Unbirth and I -- were bureaucrats. Of course, I haven't been active there for yonks mainly due to university life and other concerns. (Some of you may know what I'm talking about.) But last year or the year before, I don't remember when, I was called back to KHFR by Unbirth because our third admin, ThomasKH2, had completely changed in temperament -- he was being nasty to other users, he was blocking without due reason, and he was quite simply abusing his powers.
That last deed I did for KHFR was to have ThomasKH2 stripped of his powers because the other users, of whom there were quite a few and we had already begun to consider ourselves a family... well, quite frankly, they couldn't tolerate this anymore.
Now we can have a non-exhaustive list for reasons for demotion, but I should think a time lapse would be the best monitor of inactivity. Trouble is, we don't know how long this time lapse has to be. An inactive or retired member of staff may resume activity if he/she finds himself/herself able to contribute to the wiki once again.
Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 20:06, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
TheFifteenthMemberYes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way.— TheFifteenthMember 20:22, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but what exactly do we count as activity? Even if we had a time lapse, would it be okay if, for example, an admin makes a single grammar edit before their time lapse expires? I usually don't like numerical values when it comes these policies, but if it's vitally necessary, I'd say an admin shouldn't go beyond two months without being actively involved in the wiki. Also, for admins with college/exams, the temporary inactivity is there so that they can be listed as inactive (in greyscale) but their staff-ships are still there for when they return in the holidays.
Activity wouldn't depend on number of edits, but rather, timespan in which said user is active. A person can make 500+ edits or so in a single day if he is psycho enough to do it, but it wouldn't do if he just stayed on a day, no?
Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 20:59, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
TheFifteenthMemberI like white. I find it goes well with yellow, but only if you want it to.— TheFifteenthMember 22:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
I was thinking a similar thing, but the point is that the admin does get somewhat involved. Even if s/he doesn't want to make any edits, s/he should at least still show his involvement by going on the IRC, talking on forums or talk pages, doing community stuff etc. Is it okay to expect an admin to spend at least half an hour on the wiki each week? In most cases, their contributions can reflect whether that's been done or not. It's not an exact science but it's pretty easy to see that an admin is inactive if he hasn't made an edit since a month ago (for maggosh anyway).
LevL's case is slightly less simple. Is it okay for staff to just watch over the wiki without ever actually being involved?
Not sure if simply overseeing counts as being active...
Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 22:16, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
If memory serves, LevL was one of the most active users before the move here. I wonder what happened. I think TheFifteenthMember makes a good point in LevL's case. It's not as though there isn't anything to do on the wiki. In regards to the timespan, what does everyone consider a fair amount time for inactivity before a user with rights needs to be notified about this or that? Three months? That seems fair to me, and no more than maybe six?
TheSilentHero used Shadow Sneak! It's super effective! — 06:50, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
I see LevL often on the Who's Online list on the RC, but he doesn't edit a lot. And since he hasn't joined this discussion about his status as staff member, I doubt he checks the edits in the RC.
TheFifteenthMemberIgnoring how these caterpillars uttered what they're trying to say, I do agree.— TheFifteenthMember 16:45, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm agreed on three months, although I stress that the staffer in question needs to actually be involved for a sustained period of time. (Basically, a couple of minor edits is insufficient.) Is anyone able to notify LevL and maggosh of the situation?
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
I'm trying to take in consideration of RL situations where it might impede the users' availability here on the wiki. Most of us are young adults, either working jobs and/or attending collage/high school. So, three months is a good enough timeframe. Six months is too much, considering that's half a year. So, maybe we should set the span between 3-4 months at the very best? As for LevL, according to his contributions, he hasn't made a single edit since February. I'm willingly to alert Maggosh, since he and I are on friendly terms. I don't know LevL that well, but I'll alert him too if know no one else wants to. His situation is rather odd. He always appear on the RC every day, but never edits. LevL is listed as a Mod, right? If he isn't planning to actually contributing to the wiki in any way, then his rights should be stripped. I'm pretty much agree with everything Chanofffire listed.
TheFifteenthMember I hope it's slow and painful; the elation I get from such kills is unmatched by anything, yeeeess... Just thinking about it makes me... oohhh...— TheFifteenthMember 19:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Agreed on all of that.
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
Well, then, I'll go notify them, and we'll see what happens.
"If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else."
Well, I knew this was going to happen; I'd blame it on the lack of new information these past months, but I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses. Lots of things have happened; I've been trying to scrape up money to pay off my student loans. I found out I've got colitis, which I have to take daily meds for. Job opportunities look bleak. But, enough about me, blabbing on about myself.
I'm torn; I like being a bureaucrat, and I wear that title like a badge of honour. I'd want to jump out of inactivity to preserve that - who wouldn't, right? On the other hand, if I've been inactive for this long, what's stopping it from happening again? If that could happen again, I should be obliged - nay, obligated - to give the title up to someone else, and do a better job that I did. It's only fair, right?
So what I'm thinking of, here - and please tell me if I'm sounding assholish - is a compromise of sorts; in short, I return to editing, but I'm demoted in power. Might as well make my fall from grace as, well, graceful as possible.
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
Maggosh-kun! You came back! :D I'm glad you were able to get the notification quickly. I'm sorry to hear about your struggles, though. I hope things will work for you.
I think you being demoted sounds pretty fair and logical, as you also seem to be aware that this may happen again. Actually, KrytenKoro practically demoted himself after realizing he wasn't able to be on the wiki much. Maggosh-kun, naturally, RL comes first, but if you do want to continue editing, that'd be great, too, but you shouldn't feel like you're obligated to so, okay? You need to take care of yourself first.
Good to have you back, Maggosh. Guess who else is back!
I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 07:54, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
So now, we're waiting on LevL to reply. Has anyone seen him on the wiki yet?
Simple grammar edits and RC patrolling does not, at least to me, seem noteworthy edits- at least enough to actually count towards something pertaining to a staff member position. LevL needs to be moved to the retired page unless he interjects on this post/on his talkpage. Even then, he would still have to get back to editing as per our staff policy in order to be considered active. Let me be clear: LevL is still considered a staff member and can regain his rights upon "proving himself" according to our staff policy.
Three months sound like more than enough time for someone to check in for a little bit and fulfill a small amount of their responsibility as a staff member. The real life can be quite consuming, especially for us "older" users- nothing against you "youngin's," but real life gets pretty crazy post-high school/college life. In honor of Redeemer&Destroyer's paradoxes: adult life is the best worst time of your life. And Lord knows I can't throw any stones because I've dropped off the Wiki-face of the planet due to real life as well...
I'm in agreement with maggosh's proposal, so long as he truly intends to keep his end of the bargain. One, we could seriously use the help around here, especially with your mad image skillz. Two, it wouldn't be fair for us to "play favorites" as we were accused of doing over the last staff policy activity debate.
All of this aside, I have a question for you guys. The discussion of staff has been coming up rather often in the past several forums/talk pages/etc. What does everyone currently think about the present staff? I know we've had people coming and going...Do you guys feel we're doing enough? Is there enough of us? Do we need to prune [prune being to officially remove people to inactive and such] the staff and elect new people? Staff elections aren't fun to set up or go through, but if the community feels the current staff needs more help/aren't performing as a staff member should, then by all means say it. Personally, I think we're doing okay. However, with the almost daily-at least weekly- mention/discussion of staff somewhere on here...I'm, for lack of a better word, concerned.
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
Xion-chan! Welcome back, it's been a while! :)
I've mentioned this above, but Levl really just been patrolling the RC. He hasn't made edit since Feb. I spotted him earlier today on the wiki, but he hasn't made any indication so far that he read the notification. He hasn't shown up here or responded to the message left on his talk page. Basically, is he saying he doesn't care?
In regards to our present staff, personally, I think we're okay. Our wiki has been very small since the move. We get new users almost every day, but only a handful of them actually helps out. Most of us are veteran users from the Keyhole, and have been fulfilling our duties quite well. Chainoffire made a good point to update our staff policy, but an election? Xion4ever said it herself: It's not fun to set up or go through. Well, at least our wiki doesn't make into a popularity contest like most wikis do...
LevL Fear my mighty instruments! — 13:18, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
I am definitely not saying I don't care, Ninjasheik. I usually have a KHWiki tab open in my browser, which is why it says I am online on the recent changes page, but I didn't look at it in the past few days because I was really busy studying for an important exam. I still regularly check the wiki, but I've just been so occupied with university and other real life stuff over the past few months that I've not really had much time to contribute to the wiki. When the school year is over, I will first have to find out what I can possibly help out with — and if that's just occasionally correcting grammar and spelling errors, then I can understand that I'm not making the kind of meaningful contributions to the wiki that a moderator should — but I do intend to start editing a bit more regularly again after I've handed in my final paper in a couple of weeks.
I know it looks like I'm just trying to make excuses for being inactive, but I simply wanted to explain why I've not been contributing to the wiki lately. I understand why some people are not convinced that I should still be a moderator, so if I were to lose my staff position, I wouldn't protest, but I have not permanently turned my back on the wiki.
TheFifteenthMemberMyes, but THEY didn't know that! We have to consider THEM! And yet we must also be mysterious, myes, myes...— TheFifteenthMember 17:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Remember guys, the policy states: "After 4 months of inactivity, they must be questioned of their activity and plans regarding the wiki." Since LevL and maggosh have not received their warnings yet, they can still retain full staffership if they promptly return to activity. This discussion here counts as their warning. If they cannot return immediately, their rights should be removed but bear in mind that if they wish on returning in the future, they can regain their powers after the "two month probation period" (which isn't too long in the grand scheme of things). As for timescale of inactivity, I noticed that the policy already states "4 months of inactivity" so we should stick to that.
As for a new staff election, I don't think it's necessary and sounds like a hassle.
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
Oh, speaking of the "two month probation period", I wanted to confirm something. I don't want to rehash the past, but when Xion-chan linked the forum with ENX, I went back and read through it. During the discussion, Xion-chan mentioned a flaw with the two month probation period. I know this applied with ENX's case, but I think she made a point in regards that the wiki should elaborate more this rule. I go to my fair share of wikis before, too, and I've seen the change in personality users can get when they are granted powers. Heck, it's going in the Narutopedia right now, which I edit on daily like the KHWiki, and quite frankly, I'm sick of the user there acting like he's a tyrant and has the right to do whatever the hell he wants just because he's one of the more active users who contributed a lot to the wiki. I'm probably just being a worrywart (the KHWiki, in my opinion, is a lot easygoing but still firm in it's rules than the Narutopedia), but one of the good things that came out that discussion was everyone pointing out what was wrong with our horribly outdated policy. Besides updating the staff, I want to ask if there was anything else that needs to be addressed with the policy? I'm sure there might be some.
Could you remind me what the flaw was? I apologise, I can't pick it out easily from that convoluted forum.
TheSilentHero Nosferatu! — 20:26, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
I believe it was that being active for two months isn't enough, but you have to prove you're worthy of being an admin again.
TheFifteenthMemberI like white. I find it goes well with yellow, but only if you want it to.— TheFifteenthMember 20:41, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, that statement is contextual though. If the reason for demotion in the first place was inactivity, then the two month period should be taken considered sufficiently worthy for the person to be reinstated. If the reason is behavioural, it's much harder to measure and needs to be dealt case-by-case. Essentially, I have no problem with that statement but when examining these situations, we always have to bear the root causes in mind.
Well, I don't know why ENX was demoted, but when he came back, he wasn't really admin-like. (And if the reason was inactivity, he should have gotten back his position, according to you.) People can change in the time they are inactive, so I think we should see if anyone has any issues with that user becoming an admin again.
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
Very true. As it was established many times in that forum, personality plays a big role on who the community decides to be a mod, an admin, or whatever. Basing everything off from edits is flawed, so naturally, it's essential to make clear that making good edits aren't enough. You got to have the right personality. Luckily, our wiki was a bunch of users who super nice! But it doesn't mean we aren't bound to get into fights, which could escalate into something much more personal if we aren't careful. While this may be a case-by-case thing, it would certainly be a comfort if we do include that just because someone make good edits, if the personality proves unacceptable, then rights should not be granted or returned to them. I'm sure all of us edit on many other wikis than the KHWiki, so we have all our shares of encountering people who may be good editors, but create wikis that that scare off new users and just make the environment toxic. From my personal experiences, I learned that if doesn't amount to heck how good an editor is. If they are unable to work together with others peacefully and be fair, then they should be banned for uncivil conduct immediately. So, yeah, the rule needs to be tweaked a bit to include personality.
TheFifteenthMemberYes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way.— TheFifteenthMember 21:22, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
The policy already states: "All members of the wiki’s staff are expected to be examples of what editors strive to be. They should be role models, leaders, and guides. They should be kind, gentle, welcoming, and understanding, especially to new editors. The Wiki’s staff should be mature and neutral, able to handle most tense situations with other editors coolly and making an effort to de-escalate any conflicts and discuss any issues or debates with the purpose of reaching a solution. They should be respectful of differing opinions and viewpoints."
I think that handles all personality requirements, unless there's something else? KSM seems to have thought it all through, it seems. Also, TSH, the ex-staffer developing undesirable traits would probably be a separate issue unrelated to activity that'd make the community decide they don't want him reelected, but yes, I see what you mean.
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
Ah, it did? That was the fuss that went on ENX's forum? Geez, everyone made such a big deal about it, too. The forum made it seemed like it wasn't already established at from the get-go. That's good. Anyway, is there anything else about the policy that needs to be addressed? And does everyone agree that a election isn't necessary?
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
It's been a few weeks now, so are going to put these decisions in effect?
Chainoffire - "Hey, wait... I'm enjoying this. You guys are something else!" TALK - :) Chainoffire 05:17, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
It's been (I'm not sure how long, since Ninja doesn't use timestamps on her talkbubbles, and I'm too lazy to check the edit history :P) quite a while since the last response. Since no one has objected, I'd say I think it's safe to go on with these changes.)
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
Go for it. :) Everyone had a chance to speak now, so everything should be a-okay!
Updating Icons
I know this is probably the last thing people want to discuss, but you know how anal I can be about consistency :P Given our KHX/KHUX theme, I had the idea that we could update the staff icons to one of the following:
The staff members' in-game avatars (send me a screenshot and I'd happily try to make an avatar of it).
This may not be the best choice, since it's possible not all staff members play KHUX…
Images of KHX characters (of the staff members' choice), as seen here.
Images of KHX Heartless (of the staff members' choice), as seen here.
This one, to me, allows for more of a "unified theme" and presents a greater variety of choices.
I understand if this is not something people want to do; just thought I'd make the suggestion and volunteer my services. - EternalNothingnessXIII 21:44, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Since no one has responded to this, I went ahead and made some Heartless icons for everyone; here is how they'd look on the staff page:
Thoughts? I think they look pretty good! - EternalNothingnessXIII 02:21, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
It looks okay for the main wiki staff, but I don't like it for the offsite accounts. Those use different icons specifically to indicate it's a different type of staff, and especially since Xion is in multiple places, it runs together."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 04:20, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps we could use images from here for the offsite staff? - EternalNothingnessXIII 07:25, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
I think it looks good. Would it be possible to update the retired staff's icons as well? The retired staff page is a mess of different style icons now. TheSilentHero 17:03, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I was going to update the retired staff icons, too. I'm gonna use the KHX Disney characters for those. - EternalNothingnessXIII 19:23, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Another Question
I'm on a roll for asking questions like some newbie on the wiki this week. It's actually a request: Permission to resume helping with the wiki's Facebook and Twitter pages? KeybladeSpyMaster 06:39, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Go for it. We have a KHUX wiki facebook page too, if you want to work on that."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 15:18, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks. I don't know if I can help with KHUχ, since I don't currently play the game or anything, but if there's anything I can do, let me know! KeybladeSpyMaster 19:06, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Welp, after scrounging my files for an hour, I finally found the password, but Twitter said that it wouldn't let me in and would send an request to the wiki's email. If someone could verify my identity there (because I no longer have access to the wiki's email), I'd be much obliged! Thanks! KeybladeSpyMaster 20:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
There is this Teams feature on TweetDeck where you can share access to an account to another person without having to share the password. But still, to share access to another account, you need to log in as an admin or actually an owner. I'm stuck at the verification as well. Pea14733----[火] 21:46, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
It gave me a temporary code to verify identity. If you can get on the wiki messenger chat, I can give it to you. Can you e-mail me through the wiki, so I can give you my realworld name so you can friend me so I can add you?"We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 12:52, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Done. Wouldn't it be easier to just email it through the wiki, though? KeybladeSpyMaster 14:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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