Forum:Petition: More Ops on IRC

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MelodiousNature - "It's Not what you Say, that Judges you as a Person - It's What you Do."
TALK - 23:07, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Many of us at the IRC channel have started to see major issues in the KH section of IRC. People have been: bullying, racist, intimidating, rude, upsetting, annoying on purpose, spamming etc. Something needs to be done.

I'd like to hold a Petiton for the Admins of KH Wikia to consider applying more people as "Ops" (Operators) to work in the IRC. Most of the operators and admins that are already applied enter the IRC very rarely and for most of the day the IRC is "unguarded". On average, around 12 Hours a Day... our IRC section is petrolled, that's Half a Day!

One of our main operators/administers that appear in the IRC regularly and lengthly is Hexedmagica. Hexed agrees that "we need more protection". If you agree to the petition, please add your name, below.

All Users who agree to the Petiton are:

Thank You for reading and we'd like to hear the Administer's views and responses to this please. We're all taking this very seriously.

This petition is fine and dandy, sometimes ops aren't available all the time. Another op would cover more time. But, if there aren't any ops online and there's someone being harassing or something: don't just let them do it. Copy what they said down (put it on pastebin.com or something), and tell and op when the get online. You could also leave a message on an ops talkpage on the wiki. Here are all the ops currently:

If any of these people are on the wiki, but not on IRC, they would be the first to go to. --Gamer 2127 00:00, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I suppose. - EternalNothingnessXIII 10:56, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I agree --Riku's Love 19:51, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a good cause. I'm in. User:JudgmentDay95

I agree completely! Stuff like that shouldn't happen here, especially on the IRC channel!--Xion4 ever 20:04, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Hexed is usually on, Yermom is there and so is Gamer and I'm there on Friday and Saturday. I haven't heard/seen any major complaints about flammers, bullies, etc. the times that I've logged on. If you guys have a problem and no one's there to solve it, go to #wikia. They'll usually be there immediately. You have to think, what's the average age around here, 13-16? There will be plenty of immature insults being flung around. You can't really help it. But if Kryten and the other staff agree, be my guest. It wouldn't hurt to have a couple more ops online at different times to handle problems of this kind. -Azul ^{(talk ・contribs)} 00:20, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

So, then, it's decided? Who will be the new ops?--Ninja Sheik 00:36, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

I'm there A LOT of the time, so... >>;; Just a suggestion though. --天下無双！！ 00:38, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Alot of the users who signed the petition are on the IRC alot as well. Also, is the Op(s) going to be selected by voting (similar to voting for admins/mods), or will they be selected by the staff?--Xion4 ever 01:19, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

I think they should. Admins and mods are our superiors. It's only right they get to decided, even though some are not there most of the times. --Ninja Sheik 01:23, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Don't ask for help in #wikia, they can't do anything, unless Azul gives people usually in #wikia op privileges here. --Gamer 2127 01:44, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

If we're adding new ops I think it shouldn't be a voting thing, since well... pretty much everyone votes for their friends while completely ignoring if they are suited for the job or not. Also, I just noticed that some of the users that signed the petition are the ones who actually cause the trouble while others appear at the channel like... once a month at most, just pointing that out. And Ninja, admins and mods are our superiors...? Sorry but they can be your superiors, not mine ^^; --—Yer Mom_{is feeling jolly} 02:25, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

True true. I also say that anyone who wants to be an OP should get the place, so as long as he or she stays true to their word. No voting, please. And yea, I've been around long enough to see who the trouble makers are and who aren't on the IRC. And, sure admins and mods may be your superiors, but they're originally just like us and move around the site like us: regulars. --天下無双！！ 02:32, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

But they call the shots. They have more previlages than normal users.--Ninja Sheik 02:39, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Sure they have more privileges, but in all seriousness, if you take that away, they're nothing more or less than us. It's only fair they pitch in opinions rather than use their powers and do whatever they want.--天下無双！！ 02:50, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Direct quotes from KHWiki:Administrators:

"Administrators are not content judges, and in that avenue, are equal to other editors."
"Administrators are also not owners of the wiki; all editors have equal input in decisions."

And here is a direct quote from KHWiki:Staff about moderators:

"Though they are not more important than any other user..."

The Staff are no Users to fear, nor are they extreme figures of hierarchy as practiced in North Korea. Me? I personally don't feel any difference. It's just rollback, no big deal. You all can do what the rollback does, anyway. I think of you as equals, not underlings! --DoorTo Nothing^Kupo! 02:52, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

true but ssc is right every admin or mod started out like us regular users Firaga44 02:44, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

You guys believe what you want to believe, and I'll do the same...--Ninja Sheik 03:00, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

I haven't weighted in much here because my time in IRC can be sadly limited, and so I truly do not know the extent of what is going on. Also, I have a pretty pathetic understanding of IRC, to be truthful. But I would like to offer a couple of suggestions:

1. Admins in IRC obviously don't have to be staff here. If there is someone(s) in IRC often who you guys think would do a fair job of keeping an eye on the channel, suggest them here. I beseech you, please think carefully about this...don't pick someone because they're your friend, or they "seem" nice. Think about people on the channel who act in a responsible manner and you think would be capable of watching and handling these things. Adminning (is that a word now?) can be a pretty tough job at times. (And likewise, if you get picked and do not feel you can handle it, please let us know. We don't want to pressure you into doing something you do not want to.)

2. As we can't be there all the time, if someone is being truly harassing, threatening, etc., record it some how. Make screen caps, copy and paste the text as suggested above, or any other means you can think of. If the issue is especially serious, let the Wikia IRC staff know right away and show them what you've got; please let us know as well so we can help them take means to stop it.

In addition, I want to say as an admin I do my best to be fair and helpful, as do the other staffers around here. But I am human and I do make mistakes and have bad days and so on, again, as do the other staffers. I know we have a few folks here who do butt heads from time to time since they're very passionate about Kingdom Hearts, and want to make this wiki the best it can be. We certainly don't expect everyone to hold hands and sing happy songs of Atlantica, but if someone here feels like they are being especially singled out for poor treatment by an individual, even if they are an admin, please let someone know. And if you ever think I've acted poorly towards you, please let me know. BebopKate 06:06, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

I am very glad we've made a decision. I really did think this was a key issue and I'm glad that the Admins and Operators have responded. So, Thank you deeply from me.

Ok I've been on the IRC since July, so I'm going to pick a few people I've watched in my time, who are fair and neutral and who'd help out the same any other Operator would.

1. Rocker7898 - Daily User, Friendly, Considerate
2. Xion4Ever - Daily User, Controls Situations, Neutral
3. SSC - Frequent User, Mature & Helpful
4. ENX - Mature, Neutral & Unbias
5. Ghostboy3000 - Frequent User, Friendly & Caring

NOTE: A few of the IRC Users were scared you wouldn't consider them because they're not part of the IRC. I'd hope you'd consider all the IRC Users please.

These are the people I think deserve Operator privilege. Of course, I myself would love to and be honored to be an Operator and I'd hoper that the Admins/Ops will consider me too. ^.^

Thank you for reading and Special Thanks to all the people who have supported me through the petition and the admins for giving me their feedback and reaching a decision.

Take Care! - MelodiousNature 06:47, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I see myself as a frequent user, but mature and helpful? Well... That might be occasional... ¬¬;; But thanks! --天下無双！！ 06:54, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

You would nominate me? really? I am having learning experience as an op on a channel on the super mario wiki chatroom. —Ghost boy³⁰⁰⁰ 11:41, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

wow i'd never think anyone would ever nominate me but i don't think i'd do good at all you'd be better off with enx xion or ghostboy as a op besides half the time i don't know what is going on Firaga44 14:53, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

I have always found the IRC complicated and chaotic so I tend to be on for short periods of time. I support any efforts to improve the irc as a whole, but I don't see myself as much help. Sorry...... Terra Fae~

NominationsEdit

All IRC Users are allowed to nominate three different people.

EternaNothingnessXIII =

Rocker7898
MelodiousNature
Xion4Ever

Firaga44 =

EternalNothingnessXIII
Ghostboy3000
Super Sword-chucks

MelodiousNature =

Rocker7898
Xion4Ever
Super Sword-chucks

LevL =

EternalNothingnessXIII
Xion4Ever
MelodiousNature

Ryoinabocks =

EternalNothingnessXIII
MelodiousNature
Rocker7898

Animebolt =

Xion4ever
MelodiousNature

PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart =

EternalNothingnessXIII
Xion4ever

Rocker7898 =

EternalNothingnessXIII
Xion4ever
Super Sword-chucks

SleepingRebirth =

EternalNothingnessXIII
MelodiousNature
Rocker7898

ForbiddenMemory =

Ghostboy3000
MelodiousNature

Ghostboy3000=

MelodiousNature
Super sword-chucks

Super Sword-chucks=

EternalNothingnessXIII
Xion4ever
Rocker7898

Nitrous X

Melodious Nature
Super sword-chucks

ZACH =

MelodiousNature
Ghostboy3000

Number XXI =

MelodiousNature
EternalNothingnessXIII

Terra Fae Odosson =

EternalNothingnessXIII
Ghostbou3000
MelodiousNature

Xion4ever

MelodiousNature
EternalNothingnessXIII
Super sword-chucks

Nomination DiscussionEdit

It seems the "nomination" process is turning into an actual voting session. Also, I'm sure most people on here voted for their friends, others aren't/rarely found on the IRC channel to know what actually happens, and such.

I have a proposition to fix that problem: Why not just create a master list contaning a list of users who would be cut out for the job? Each user would only have one "vote." Then, the admins/mods/IRC mods could choose the op/ops?

This is just an idea, but I think it would fix this voting problem. We don't want to make a user an Op just because they had alot of votes from friends. We want a user/users to become an Op to help out on the IRC.

Xion 4 ever Never forget... ^{— 23:57, October 15, 2009 (UTC)}

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it.
TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 00:01, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

The problem with that is most admins/mods don't even come on the IRC. They have no idea what kind of people are on there, or how people they know that are on there act outside the Wiki. I'd say the master list or whatever should be comprised of those and ONLY those who are on daily with a goal of "talking when necessary" that is mature and all that. So the list could include :

Xion4ever
MelodiousNature
Myself (never saw that coming >_>)

Anyone else I'm forgetting... Perhaps SSC or Rocker, as well. I'd say the max we allow is 5.

SUPER SWORD-CHUCKS ^{TALK HERE.} — OK, I DOUBT THAT BUT WHATEVER.

_{YEAH, MY ORDERS ARE THAT THEY'RE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, AND WHO CARES ABOUT THEM. — 00:16, October 16, 2009 (UTC)}

Eh... True. Instead of the staff here choosing, we could have the Operators and Admins on the Channel choose who could be the new op instead. It makes more sense to have them choose since: 1) They've been around for a longer period of time than the staff here and 2) They have a better understanding of who is more "appropriate" for the job than others.

But that's just me saying stuff. I say the list should or could be of:

EternalNothingnessXIII
Xion4ever
MelodiousNature
Myself (surprise, surprise)

I can't say Rocker much though... I'm not trying to be offensive, but... Yeah.

Firaga44 - Dissidia is awesome!
TALK - I'll be playing crisis core over there*points to a corner*.

Sounds better then our current thing and don't even think of adding my name to that list i'm serious.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it.
TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 00:24, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, SSC's idea is the way to go. I'm flattered that you all find me so "mature and responsible." Let's just hope the admins/mods see the same things. Let's set up a poll for the "lesser" IRC users to use to determine new Op's, so the admins have an outside opinion, shall we? By "lesser", I don't mean "not as good as." I mean it in the sense that we aren't Op's yet. Plus, a poll is much neater than the list MN had us put above.

<poll> Who should be Op'd on the IRC, so the Channel is better protected? EternalNothingnessXIII Super Sword-Chucks Xion4ever Rocker7898 MelodiousNature </poll>

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it.
TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 00:24, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

The above are who I'd find best suited for the job. I'd say we take the top 3 as Op's for now. Should we set a date for the poll to expire? I'd say the start of next year or late November/early December.

SUPER SWORD-CHUCKS ^{TALK HERE.} — OK AS LEADER, I FORBID YOU FROM RP'ING WITH THEM.

_{ALSO, STOP DANCING. IT'S AWFUL. — 00:44, October 16, 2009 (UTC)}

True... I don't think many of us would keep up with this for over a month... I agree with Xion's idea of two to three weeks (or until early November).

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it.
TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 00:47, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Right, but those of us who placed our name on the Nomination list should select their votes on the polls, as well. I have to leave soon. If you could divi up between messaging the users who did to the poll, that'd be great.

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.<
TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah.

A year?I can't wait that long heck i want them to op someone right now!But i'll be patient no matter how much i don't want to be.

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy!
TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...03:51, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Two weeks sounds more than reasonable, actually, enough for the regulars to find this and vote, and I agree the top 3 should be promoted since this appears to be a big issue...the more, the merrier, right? The selections in the poll up there, from what I've seen on IRC, would be more than suitable to mod. If someone will remind one of us staffers at the end of the voting period, we will help commission the new channel mods.

And you guys aren't "lesser" if you're not an admin. *sigh* Just remember, with great power comes great responsibility, and sometimes great responsibility really sucks.

SUPER SWORD-CHUCKS ^{TALK HERE.} — OK AS LEADER, I FORBID YOU FROM RP'ING WITH THEM.

_{ALSO, STOP DANCING. IT'S AWFUL. — 03:59, October 16, 2009 (UTC)}

Oh. So... Two weeks and reminders to staffers here on the Wiki if voting period's over... Correct? And top three are the new ops. Okay, I get it.

DoorToNothing

— I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven!

_{And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 05:19, October 16, 2009 (UTC)}

Although I rarely use the IRC, I notice that two Users seem to be there quite often. SSC is there every time, literally EVERY TIME that I go there. Xion is similarly common, and seems to display traits that would make for a good OP. Still, my vote goes to SSC... (three-bid trickery....)

I cast my vote for SSC. Because he was the one who taught me quite a lot of stuff. Only that sometimes he got a little blur, but never mind !

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 05:27, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

MelodiousNature - "It's Not what you Say, that Judges you as a Person - It's What you Do."
TALK - 06:12, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to personally thank the Members who're concluding what we've all been trying to do so far.

Good Luck to everyone in the Conclusion Poll and please remember that it's not a competition. Just remember, you're name has been selected to be a potential Op, for me that is a Miracle!

Also, In my opinion, why can't we just hire all Five Members? It would stop the Abuse going on IRC as us five cover pretty much every time of the day along with the other Ops.

P.S. Thank you NinjaSheik for the message :D

Indeed, five's better than one. ^_^

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 06:22, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

MelodiousNature - "It's Not what you Say, that Judges you as a Person - It's What you Do."
TALK - MelodiousNature 06:40, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, the reason we're here is because we wanted change from the fighting and bullying that happens to IRC. One person couldn;t change it alone.

I propose we stop the poll as it's not going to prove anything and let Azul decide his 5 Ops... Agreed?

Thanks TNE

Il n'y a pas de quoi.

It is rather funny what I would do for honey. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 06:49, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

MelodiousNature - "It's Not what you Say, that Judges you as a Person - It's What you Do."
TALK - MelodiousNature 06:51, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Merci! Anyway what do all you think about this?

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it.
TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 08:38, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

EDIT : Yeah. I believe the poll was a bad idea. It wasn't intended as the competition thing. It was supposed to be a more organized way then a list of users. Azul makes good judgments. I'd say wait until November for him to pick.

SUPER SWORD-CHUCKS ^{TALK HERE.} — OK, I DOUBT THAT BUT WHATEVER.

_{YEAH, MY ORDERS ARE THAT THEY'RE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, AND WHO CARES ABOUT THEM. — 21:38, October 16, 2009 (UTC)}

賛成。 I say the poll was a pretty darn stupid idea; it got us all voting for our friends when we were ALL potential in playing a part as Op on the IRC channel. I agree with the others; wait for Azul to choose the new OPs.

So are the Ops been revealed yet?

Yes, they are: Melodious Nature, Super Sword-chucks, and myself [Xion4ever].

Xion 4 ever Who am I? ^{— 21:09, October 19, 2009 (UTC)}

regardless of my temporary banning, I'm a still a bit ticked off that no one even voted for me. I'm on the irc pretty often, and everytime some punk logs on and starts messing with my friends, I'm. The first one to defend them! I've probably done the most unsuccessful "/kick" commands of anyone on this wiki, and it wasalways to defend my friends, unlike some people who I know for a FACT abuse their power! I've also gone through themoost emotional turmoil of ANYONE (most likely) and I'm just possed that NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE! So there we are. I'm done......

Thanks for listen'n Number XXI 13:52, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

MelodiousNature - "It's Not what you Say, that Judges you as a Person - It's What you Do."
TALK - 15:55, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel you were "neglected" but you must consider that:

You made statements to multiple users stating you were leaving KHWiki and IRC. One example was to User_Talk:Rocker7898 which you stated: "i have to leave the wiki.... forever..... this isnt a joke, I swear..... spread the news, okay?".

You followed with inactivity to both KHWikia from September 1 2009 to September 21 2009

(20 Days) and inactivity to the IRC Channel for much much longer. Our estimation is 1-2 Months.

You returned with a false name: Pumpkinhead, of which people did not know. As people did not recognize you, you weren't considered a potential candidate.

You returned to the IRC Channel, once every two weeks and were only on for aprox. 2 hours. The Ops that were appointed would appear every day or 5-6 times a week, which was what we required for the abuse on IRC to be "handled".

Finally, during you're return you have Spammed on the IRC and wanted us to kick/ban you. Immaturity was a very essential element that we were looking out for and by doing so, you did not seem to be capable of being an Op.

I truly am sorry, and I know you didn't leave purposely but... there are 4 more reasons than that one alone. Now's the time to prove us that you could become a potential Operator, next time (if needed) and this goes for everyone!

Take Care and Sorry for having to reveal this to you.