Don't you think the top of the world should be mentioned?
Play through the first part of Kingdom Hearts, switch to 1st person view, then look up (as long as you're on one of the pillars). It makes you have an uneasy feeling!
You might be right. Yeah, I notice that sinister single light that falls on the pillars. In the last pillar, it's that light that creates Sora's shadow and ultimately causes Darkside to awaken.
Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne
In kh1 and 2 this is like a tutorial, yes?
Then maybe in BbS we'll have something similair for ventus, aqua or terra( or al three of them)82.136.203.25 18:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Maybe we would. Though we don't have the same for Chain of Memories. And we probably wouldn't have the same for Days.
Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne
CanadianSpence - I've been having these weird thoughts lately...like is any of this for real...or not? TALK - Regardless of warning the future doesn't scare me at all
Well, Sora already had his Dive into the Heart at the start of Kingdom Hearts. That would explain why we didn't get one in CoM. As for Days, Roxas doesn't have his Dive until the third day of Kingdom Hearts II.
In KH1, there is the one Potion chest at the free princess platform.
I know there's some in KH2, but I don't have my guide at hand right now.GloriousCHAOS! 04:31, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
The KH potion is inside the box you have to smash. There are two potions in KH2; one in the Station of Serenity and the other in the Station of Calling. - HeartOfOblivion 04:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
What's inside that treasure chest in KH1, then?GloriousCHAOS! 04:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
When you open the chest, the box with the potion appears. It's because Sora has to learn to push things, I guess. - HeartOfOblivion 04:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
There should probably still be the table for it, though, with the explanation in the "note" bit.GloriousCHAOS! 06:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I have a friend who thinks that the voice is Mickey. She thinks so because the voice's font is the same as Mickey's. Unfortunally I have no proof from the pics...
LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside! TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!"
maybe sooo :D
Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this?
I always thought it was Ansem. Midway through the voice says, "There is so very much to learn. You understand so little." And then at the game's climax he says, "So you've come this far and still you understand nothing."
My other theory is that it was Xemnas. This would make sense since remember, Xemnas was planning on using Sora to gain control of Kingdom Hearts. So when he learned of a Heartless invasion going to the Destiny Islands he probably gave Sora the basic tutorial to start collecting Hearts.
Also I honestly cannot picture Mickey saying, "You alone can open the door." That really just sounds more like one of the aforementioned villains. It just doesn't sound right with Mickey's voice when I say it aloud.
KrytenKoro - "Because I knew something he didn't. I knew that I was lying. Seriously, sir. 'No silicon heaven'? Where would all of the calculators go?" TALK -
"So you've come this far and still you understand nothing." is from a different scene, not the awakening. When Riku goes on the same journey into his heart in Final Mix, after Xehanort takes his body, he hears the same voice, and it clearly identifies itself as Mickey. Really, think about it - the voice even said the same kind of stuff Mickey did in CoM, but was reassuring and not critical, like Xemnas and Ansem's "Voices" were.
Plus, the weapons the voice gives Sora are all the Dream weapons, symbols of Mickey.
Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this?
True but the Voice seemed calm and collected with a cool feel to it. Honestly Mickey sounds like the big-headed cartoon character he is. Really I cannot hear him saying the Voice's dialogue: "You alone can open the door." I honestly cannot picture that. It just doesn't feel right.
Although you're right about the Ansem part I'm still clinging to my Xemnas theory. We never heard Xemnas' voice and for the most part the Voice seemed cold and emotionless: Xemnas alert. Also he seems to have the most motive for doing it.
Mysterious Voice: So much to do, so little time... Take your time. Don’t be afraid. The door is still shut. Now, step forward. Can you do it?
Mysterious Voice: If you give it form... It will give you strength. Choose well.
Mysterious Voice: The power of the guardian. Kindness to aid friends. A shield to repel all. Is this the power you seek?
Mysterious Voice: Your path is set.
Mysterious Voice: Now, what will you give up in exchange?
Mysterious Voice: The power of the warrior. Invincible courage. A sword of terrible destruction. You give up this power?
Mysterious Voice: You’ve chosen the power of the guardian. You’ve given up the power of the warrior. Is this the form you choose?
Mysterious Voice: You gained the power to fight.
Mysterious Voice: All right! You’ve got it. Use this power to protect yourself and others.
Mysterious Voice: There will be times when you have to fight. Keep your light burning strong.
Mysterious Voice: Behind you!
Mysterious Voice: Hold on. The door won’t open just yet. First, tell me more about yourself.
Mysterious Voice: You’re afraid of getting old. You want to see rare sights. You want to be number one. Your adventure begins at dawn. As long as the sun is shining, your journey should be a pleasant one.
Mysterious Voice: The day you will open the door is both far off and very near.
Mysterious Voice: The closer you get to light, the greater your shadow becomes.
Mysterious Voice: But don’t be afraid. And don’t forget...
Mysterious Voice: But don’t be afraid. You hold the mightiest weapon of all.
Mysterious Voice: So don’t forget: You are the one who will open the door.
The biggest tone I'm getting from this is that it is incredibly reassuring, and someone who understands friendship. That's just not Xemnas, at all. He tells Sora not to fight for any selfish goal, or even the impartial "justice", but in order to protect his friends - Xemnas would never say that. Hell, do Xemnas or Xehanort ever use exclamation marks?GloriousCHAOS! 00:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Flashpenny - You'll wear the face of despair. TALK - Where's the fun in this?
But still Xemnas could've easily been manipulating. For all we know it could've been someone like Axel sent to do it. But that's besides the point. I honestly can't believe Mickey does that. That guy is so little and puny I find it hard that he actually rules a kingdom and that he can beat up Xaldin.
Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire.
Since BBS was announced, I always thought that that voice was Ven's. We do know that he's got some link with Sora, and that Xemnas was looking for the room of awakening, where another friend is, since Aqua is in the room of sleep. There's other things I could say, but I have to sleep (it's 4:30 AM where I am)
KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy." TALK -
It could have "easily" been a lot of characters, if we assume that they act completely out of character and differently than they do in every other appearance. However, the only character that the voice acts like is Mickey, as seen with Riku's pseudo-"Dive into the Heart".
Ven is a reasonable guess, though.
It's Walt Disney voice from beyond the grave! Spooky!
"When did that happen? You were always terrified of Santa before-"
It can't be Ven anymore... He has his own awakening. I always thought it was one of these things:
Some sort of incarnation of Light.
The person most important to the person in the Awakening
The Awakening world itself (perhaps it can think and speak)
Kingdom Hearts (I always thought those two "worlds" had deep ties to each other, and I'm pretty sure Kingdom Hearts can think and has some sort of mind...
But, the Awakening is one of the most unexplained aspects of KH. Who know's if this question will be revealed.
EDIT:Another theory is that the Awakening is in the Heart, so maybe the Heart is speaking to you, or your sub-consience.
It's more likely that it's Kingdom Hearts, he chooses who will have the keyblade so maybe it teaches the wilder how to use it to, right? The Voice isn't heard because KH talk directly to the wilder heart, cause KH is connected to every hearts in tthe Universe. Well, that's my theory.
"When did that happen? You were always terrified of Santa before-"
Yeah, I agree that Kingdom Hearts has a mind of his/her own ("it" maybe?) and that when he/she/it wants to Kingdom Hearts can speak to the strong hearted ones through the Awakening.
Well, in Sora's awakening the voice is from Ventus and in Ventus awakening the voice is from Sora.Redeemer & Destroyer 05:17, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
Name
Where does "Awakening" come from? I ask because Ultimania explicitly calls it "Dive to Heart". In Latin letters, even. Interobangu 06:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
And the Official English BradyGames Strategy Guide calls it "Dive to the Heart". Currently, that's a redirect to this page.--DoorToNothing 06:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I'll check one more time to be absolutely sure, but:
You know how in KH1, when you save, it lists what world you're in? The mandatory save in the tutorial world lists it as "Awakening".GloriousCHAOS! 07:09, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, also, after the save circle appears on Aurora's station, you can finally access your menu. It lists the room as "Awakening" as well. Now, both of these are in text, rather than logo, so it's probably the dub name, though the first KH2 Puzzle, which respresents the tutorial area, is named "Awakening" (Mezame), and a section of Roxas's tutorial, the one where you also fight him during the vision in TWTNW, is called "Station of Awakening".
Wait, thinking back, did the KH1 save list the world or the room? It could be possible that the "world" is "Dive to (the) Heart", and the Station of Awakening is just named "Awakening" in KH1. Interrobang, does the Ultimania call it "Dive to Heart" as just a name, or as a logo? Also, since KH2 does display the world name and logo when saving, can either of you check real quick what happens when you save or pause at the Awakening in KH2? I can check tomorrow evening, when I go back home, if you guys can't.GloriousCHAOS! 07:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Nah, not a logo. Just plain Latin letters. The section header for Dive to Heart isn't in the same format as the others. (Disney Castle gets a section, and it is in the regular format, with a logo and all.) I could check the games, but everything's downstairs and I don't really want to wake up my roommates at so late. Interobangu 07:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay. I'll check it tomorrow night, then (well, tonight really). Damn, I may have buggered everything buy telling everyone it was the Awakening for so long.GloriousCHAOS! 07:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
KH2 lists it as part of Twilight Town. Since the KH1 save system lists only the room, it would be a fair compromise to all sources to say that "Awakening" is the room, and "Dive to the Heart" is the dubbed world name. Interobangu, could you provide the name in kana, so we can use the nihongo template?GloriousCHAOS! 03:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 20:16, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
I'm unable to find a direct source, but lately numerous people have been saying that it is indeed Mickey's voice in the Awakening. Someone posted this on KHInsider:
"Originally Posted by Ultimania
1) Mysterious Voice
It’s the King calling to Sora here. In the Dive To Heart, the King guides Sora through his dream, explaining the intentions of the adventure.
When Sora acquires the Keyblade for the first time after this (p.95) and just before passing through the last door of The End of The World (p.139), Sora hears a voice reverberate in him that sounds like the King’s. It seems so that those around him understand without hearing, the King speaks to Sora’s heart directly."
There's no doubt in my mind that this is true, but we should find a good source to use as a reference and implement this into the article.
A lot of people has been saying that, but because it's changed a lot recently since BBS came out.
One thing they have been saying is that the Voice is Ven. Because supposely Sora is the voice in Ven's Awakening, so I guess it's vice versa? But that's one of the characters that can be the voices, that and Mickey.
Who knows? Maybe we'll learn one day who is the voice, or maybe not.
I was wondering maybe the Awakening is a type of world. Cococrash11
I'd probably call it another dimension...... becasue the Awakening doesn't have a link to the World Map, let alone Twilight Town or TWTNW. TNÉje t'♥mélancolie ! 12:17, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe it should be put in both place and world. --Cococrash11 07:59, December 13, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11
I've found it interesting that, in the journal entry for Ven's final battle with Vanitas, it says it took place inside Ven's "own heart" 24.224.114.168 04:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
We need to keep tabs on everyone who posts on the Talk page. Or something like that.
So, not even you now the "why"? right?. Thats OK I don't judge. And don't worry. I won't say anything anymore until Wednesday son of a submariner 23:26, December 13, 2009
Givox - It seems to me that what you folks need is a hero. TALK - "I-I'm an action Figure!"
Are Sora and Roxas considered Keyblade Masters?
Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}}
No, and neither is Ventus, but the I believe that the first definition of Keyblade Master in the KH series is someone is the master of the keyblade in other words Keyblade wielders
ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
people call sora the keyblade master simply because he wields it, however only master xehanort, master eraqus, and aqua are the only known official keyblade masters with yen sid being a keyblade master sometime in the past
BbS: Two Objects
Does anyone else recognize the two objects shown when the Awakening platform shatters?
I'm 95% sure that they're the Kingdom Key (on left, with the 'teeth' end pointing down) and Soul Eater on the right.
Why that would be, I'm not sure. Just like I'm not sure that that's what the two objects are.
Another question: are the two objects there before the shattering, or do they only appear when Ven does?
Also, if you pause the commercial for BbS at about 4 seconds, right when Ven has fallen down past the camera, you can see the vague outline of the Kingdom Key (The yellow guard is the most noticeable part).
Can't see the other one now. If it is Soul Eater, it's too dark to pick it out.
Can I upload this?
I think you can.--Zach 20:08, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
I don't mean to be a spoiler or anything but I think this could be helpful too, [1] or this [2]. I'd upload it, but I'm not good at that stuff.--User:NikkieJay
I also found this it could be of some use [3]--NikkieJay 00:58, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
The trivia section has this in it:
In Roxas's Awakening Sora's eyes are closed, showing that he is asleep, while Kairi and Riku's are open, showing that they are awake; strangely, Donald and Goofy's eyes are still open, even though they are asleep as well.
If Goofy and Donald's eyes are still open, then doesn't it just counter the fact that Sora'seyes are closed because he's asleep? It might be just some artistic thing...Should we remove the point?--RyuuseiSoul 00:24, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
The symbolism seems to have been preserved for the first game, and it actually makes sense that Goofy and Donald would be "awake", since Sora was the one still being operated on - Goofy and Donald were "done".GloriousCHAOS! 05:58, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
Awakening to one's Heart
It would seem that the Awakening Station corresponds to the heart of a Keyblade Wielder (or a future one) and the connections it relates to.
Roxas' Awakening had the form of Sora because he was Sora's other half.
Ventus's Awakening Pillar only depicted him and an image of the Keyblade Graveyard because he did not know Terra or Aqua back then.
Sora's Awakening depicted the Seven Princesses of Heart is probably due to his connection to Kairi, which indirectly connected him to them. Or he could've been enburdened with the responsibility to rescue them and the worlds. Not to mention he entered the Station of Awakening once when he was younger; back then it only depicted the Paopu Fruits and the image of Destiny Islands. This states that his early connections to his world.
It's an interesting theory and it actually makes sense. I think this should be mentioned on the article if everyone agrees.Redeemer & Destroyer 01:58, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Theories, no, a thousand times no, unless they've been certified. We don't want the pages to be flooded with speculation. Agi IdupAgiNgelaban ! 02:17, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
OK Trois, aren't you overreacting a little? But the theory is quite good, you have to admit.Redeemer & Destroyer 02:20, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not overreacting, it's the Wiki guideline. The theory is substantially good, but until and unless it's proven, we can't put it in. Agi IdupAgiNgelaban ! 02:23, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Agreed, which is why I wrote my theory on the talkpage. This fact has not been speculated, so it can't be published.--Charmed-Jay 07:11, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Better image
Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.Xabryn 00:10, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
it seem good to me. The trivia say that the reason of Sora's eyes aare closeds is cuz of he in asleep, that don't make sense since every character's eye is closed in the awakening
This is almost the exact image, except that I remember that the sky doesn't fade out to yellow in the actual pillar. But it's good, I guess it can be put in.
Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 01:39, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
KrytenKoro - "Because I knew something he didn't. I knew that I was lying. Seriously, sir. 'No silicon heaven'? Where would all of the calculators go?" TALK -
Sorry, I reverted the edit because it messed with the formatting, I didn't notice the image had changed.
Spoiler
Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 02:16, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Isn't the image with Ventus and Vanitas technically a spoiler?
Yes, and you know, I seriously don't get it. On one hand they're saying put in the spoilers, and on the other, they're asking for spoilers to be removed. I know the official Wiki stance is to put in the spoilers...
There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:19, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 02:26, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
As long as I remember, the primary reason for Wikis to exist is for people who can't play the games to know what happens and be able to connect the dots (that's what I'm doing, I don't have a PSP) and those who forgot remember, so spoilers are necessary. As long there is a Spoiler Warning it's OK. People are so confusing.
Tell me about it.
There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:44, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Ventus's Awakening
I saw the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZcjR96ME-E#movie_player in 9:53 that Ventus's new pillar had a Keyblade on his hand and the lucky charm picture. So is there a picture of it? Also it seems Ventus's home world is Keyblade Graveyard. --Cococrash11 01:22, January 23, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
That is certainly worth noting (the differences in the two pillars that is).--Lapis ofthe Night 06:56, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
Hearts
It seems that the Station are actually Hearts. Ventus even commented that his heart is shattered and this prooves that the station with a missing piece kind of prooves that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUj9_Gbbzdo What do you think? --Cococrash11 03:33, February 6, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
I'malways reluctant to put things up that isn't confirmed, so I'd suggest holding off at least until the English-language release so more of us can know what's going on, but from the playthroughs I've seen that seems quite likely.--Lapis ofthe Night 06:51, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
It seemed that the voice in KHI, KHII, and BBS are Sora's Heart. Since Sora is too young to and even didn't recognize the voice is his own. It seemed that the voice is Sora's inner Heart. --Cococrash11 03:36, February 6, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
Hmm, seems plausible, but it's also quite vague. It isn't confirmed or obvious enough to be certain, so I don't think it should go in the article.--Lapis ofthe Night 03:49, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
Couldn't it be Ven's Heart? 24.205.43.42 04:58, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
Destiny Island's Awakening
Everyone said its Sora's Awakening. The one in KHII is more likey Sora's true awakening. This awakeing is more likely Destiny Island's heart. It had the Paopu fruit, mushroom, raft, and etc. The back ground even had the island, ocean, and tropical sea. --Cococrash11 03:22, February 27, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
Maybe..but it might be the younger Sora's Awakening station.--Xion4ever 03:26, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
Why would Destiny Islands need an Awakening? It already had Master Xehanort wake up a long time ago. And Sora didn't have an awakening in KHII.GloriousCHAOS! 03:31, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
I think Cococrash is talking about the Awakening Station with Sora in it that Roxas came to in KHII. Regardless, I don't think it's Destiny Islands' Awakening.--Lapis ofthe Night 03:37, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
Maybe at that time Young Sora's heart is still growing and delevoped into the station in KHII he is still a little kid. I mean how is it even Sora's awakening? I mean it had lots of pictures that invovled with the island and not a single thing that related to Sora. Beside in the Ansem Report Xehanort's Heartless said there are 3 types of heart one is Hearts of Men, Hearts of World, and Kingdom Hearts. Also the island's heart was stolen by the Heartless in the beging of KHI. --Cococrash11 03:57, February 27, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
...The Destiny Islands themed Station appears during Sora's first Awakening. That's all there is to it.GloriousCHAOS! 05:01, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
I believe that the Awakening changes according to time. In BBS Sora's life was oriented in DI, hence the DI theme. In KH1, it was the Princesses of Heart, sort of like a calling for Sora to save the Princesses of Heart and to put an end to Xehanort's Heartless' plan. And in KH2, it was Sora and friends - his main goal is to bring everyone back together.
@Kryten : Sora's Awakening station is Roxas' Awakening station, technically. Both of them conflict on the same station, remember ? Otherwise priority would probably be given to Sora's actual self, if he ever has a station to his name. The whole point of the Station of Awakening was to give Roxas a hint of who he was dealing with, how this "Sora" was connected to him, and that was all. Or at least, that's how I see it. TROISNYX AMDG 08:55, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
if the awakening is the heart of someone then it must be many awakenings as Sora is connected to everyone he can go to other peoples awakening like the princess of heart awakemingXabryn
Voice Reference
The Note/Reference regarding the "voice" (number 3) needs to be rewritten or removed, since it does not make much sense, especially with the new information from BBS. The "voice" in Ven's Awakening is Sora, and the one in Data Sora's Awakening is Mickey, but there is no way to know or guess whether the one from Sora's and Roxas's Awakenings is anyone we know, or even anyone at all. --Neumannz 07:07, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
While BBS implies that the voice can be any connected heart, I think the point still stands, because of the Final Mix bit:
"In Final Mix, Riku encounters a similar voice after his body is taken by Ansem, and he identifies it as belonging to Mickey"
It may be a different voice in KH2 (possibly Sora's), which the note needs to make clear, but for the original game, I think the note works. However, it's a bit spurious, so if others agree that they want it gone, we can get rid of it.GloriousCHAOS! 15:09, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Rucario - So I see....... TALK - No, you don't. — 12:59, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
I think it should stay, but that's just my opinion
Due to recent revelations....(spoilers)
Now that it is confirmed that Ven and Sora's hearts have indeed fused together, is it not a good idea to assume that Ventus was the mysterious voice that spoke to Sora during certain points of the first game? And if we do indeed assume that, should we edit the page accordingly? 173.212.116.22 20:40, March 25, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin
Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time.
— 20:51, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
Assuming is almost never a good idea.
Music from BBS
Erry - Let me think about it. TALK - Scherzo Di Notte ~ {{{time}}}
I've got the music from BBS, I could cut them short to 30 seconds and add them onto here.
Field Theme = Dive into the Heart ~ Destati
Battle Theme = Vanitas Final Battle
Dive to the Heart
Why the sudden name change? I didn't see the talk page saying why. --Cococrash11 04:42, June 22, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
Seriuously someone answer my question. Why change it? --Cococrash11 14:55, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
"Fun Fact"
Fun fact: Donald and Goofy having their eyes open could be explained in the short "How to Haunt a House", in wich a ghost Goofy tries to spook Donald. Donald learned how to sleep with his eyes open, while Goofy... well, is a ghost and therefore can't sleep, or at least in the conventional way.
...should we have this in the article?GloriousCHAOS! 06:08, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
Falcos - Look who's on top of the deck! TALK - Don't squander your time!
Can someone please remove the "World Logo" tab, as all it has is a big "X"? That, or add a logo, but off the top of my head, I don't remember there being one, so if there is, it's in a Final Mix or BbS.
KrytenKoro - "An education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease. It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on." TALK -
The tab is automatic from the template. That's why it's being filled with an X.
Spoilers
Falcos - You've done it, Ventus. TALK - Now that my body is about to perish... You and I will have to join together!
I am just pointing out that the pic for Vanitas in the "enemies" section should be changed, as it is after the spolier tag has ended and it shows him unmasked.
ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 12:25, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
I think that's a problem all over the site. The unmasked Vanitas, possessed Ventus and Terra-Xehanort images should be censored outside of their articles as long as the BBS spoiler policy is in order.
KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT." TALK -
I moved the spoiler tag down.
um, the bit about mickey...
Lying Memories - What's your problem!? You both...think you can do whatever you want. Well, I'm sick of it. Go on, you just keep running! But I'll always be there to bring you back! TALK - So you really do remember me this time... I'm SO FLATTERED! But you're TOO LATE!!! — Lying Memories 06:46, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
the bit that says mickey could be the voice of dive to the heart's stations, well, despite that making sense, isn't that STILL speculation? No matter how much something makes sense, if it's speculation, it should have no place on the article. That's my thought anyway. Besides, how do we know it isn't that Keyblade Master of Legend? The one talked about from the Master Xehanort reports? Wasn't he the very first keyblade master? Basically, I think it's speculative and if I don't receive any objections in the next few days, I'm gonna take it as a sign that it can go bye bye.
KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy." TALK -
It's right there on the edge, but those characters have been demonstrated to do narration like that, so I think it's just within the necessary bounds. However, we don't know anything about the Keyblade Master of Legend, so that would be absolute speculation.
LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
It should most definitely be removed, it's blatant speculation. If it's not, it needs to be sourced and reworded. EDIT: Looks okay now.
Lying Memories - What's your problem!? You both...think you can do whatever you want. Well, I'm sick of it. Go on, you just keep running! But I'll always be there to bring you back! TALK - So you really do remember me this time... I'm SO FLATTERED! But you're TOO LATE!!! — Lying Memories 07:17, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
that's what I thought. on a completely unrelated note, I need more talk bubbles. I need angry bubbles and confused bubbles.
Conception and Design
Lt.Haven - 1988 too old-school for you? TALK - Gamer
Alright, I've seen a lot of stuff regarding Chain of Memories (The GBA original), and not once have I ever seen Square Enix say they have planned to put "The Awakening/Dive to the Heart" as a world in the game. The picture showing can be easily be made with sprites in Photoshop or some other photo editing program, so unless someone finds proof that Square planned to put it in, I think this part of the article should be deleted. If somebody does find a source, it should at least be moved towards a "Trivia" section at the bottom, as it has little to do with the conception and design for "The Awakening/Dive to the Heart" in the original title.
KrytenKoro - "I'm the doctor, I'm the patient. Don't forget that - it's important! If you love me like I love me, everybody will be sorry." TALK -
KH2.co.uk scanned it directly from the early magazines.
What they planned to do with it IS Design and Conception.
Lt.Haven - 1988 too old-school for you? TALK - Gamer
KH2.co.uk is not a community run by Square Enix, but beyond that; which magazine did they scan it from?
It's still not the level design for the Kingdom Hearts (the original game), which is what I'm trying to get at. We should have concept art for the original title, considering that the level showed up in that game first.
Any and all development info is relevant for that section. Otherwise, where would we put the development info for all the games after KH1?
Kh2.co.uk said they got it from the articles in magazines, I believe them. I can e-mail them and ask if I must, but they have proven to be 100% reliable on such things.GloriousCHAOS! 01:32, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
Lt.Haven - 1988 too old-school for you? TALK - Gamer
Not necessary. I'll do the research myself. I apologize for the skepticism.
Ven's voice
I don't think it could be Ven's voice. If it was, wouldn't Roxas reconize it since he has the same voice? We shouldn't put speculation in the trivia. SeanWheeler 16:29, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
Removed and that isn't Trivia it's note and references list--Xabryn 16:46, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
Diff. between KH and KH Re:Coded....
WingBlade - I'm asking you, as a friend. Just... put an end to me... TALK - {{{time}}}
I noticed the difference between Sora's and Data Sora's Awakening:
According to KH, Sora got the dream weapons in the Snow White Pillar. After that the pillar shatters and Sora falls of. then he fought some heartless in the Cinderella pillar. after that, darkness consumed him.(i don't what the right term is but i'll used consumed instead) Then he was taken to Kairi, Alice and Jasmine's pillar.
According to Re:coded, Data Sora got the dream weapons in the Snow White pillar. He then saw he Unknown. The unknown summoned stairways leading to the next area. Then Data Sora fought some Heartless on Kairi, Alice and Jasmine's pillar.
Should we put this in?
I'd prefer it if you just covered the positive info in the coded section.(ಠ_ೃ)Bully! 13:57, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
Somebody?
KrytenKoro - This is the song that runs under the credits; these are the credits, so this is where it goes. 'has nothing to do with the movie so we'll say, "Hey! Hey! Hey hey hey hey hey hey!" TALK -
Well, an Unversed by definition is an emotion given form in a poor semblance of life, and Vanitas is a lovely little imbroglio of emotions who can imitate life pretty well. I'd say that if he's not a complete persona, then he's a sentient Pureblood Heartless.
May wanna add this lil' trivia piece
It seems that, with the exception of Xion, each and everyone 'derivative' of Sora and Ven has had their Awakening seen onscreen. Hm....y'know, if this isn't exclusive to them, it woulda been interestin' to see Xehanort's Awakening. Kaihedgie 00:33, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
Problem is, with the recent trivia purge, trivias have to have no exceptions. Chitalian8 00:37, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
Name issue
Hey I am just reading the piggyback official guide for Kh1 (UK) and it calls this place "Dive into the heart" as opposed to "Dive to the heart" throughout the book. Just wondering if this should be mentioned in trivia or something as it doesnt look like a simple typo? Also where does its current name actually come from seeing as its not mentioned in game anywhere? 86.17.30.102 22:30, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
In the light of KH3D this may not be important because I think we have to decide if "Dive to the Heart" is a world name at all. --ShardofTruth 23:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
KH1 voice
It's Mickey. The Ultimania α has a section indicating such on page 087. See the translation here. Pink Agaricus (talk) 21:51, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
I never heard of a Nomura interview in the Ultimania Alpha, so this is more like one of the Ultimania's "uncovering secret boxes" I guess, is it? The linked Info Box interview section is indeed wrong, as the normal Ultimania actually starts with the second question (as seen here). --77.186.171.4 00:12, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
While they're not any part of an actual "Dive to the Heart", the stained glass medals from Union χ do bear significance to the pillars. Should we at least have the stained glass medals in the gallery? Chainoffire 22:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
We have Memorial Stained Glass Clock. Perhaps we can just add the page as an additional link at the bottom of the Dive to the Heart page? KeybladeSpyMaster 01:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
I agree with KSM. The Stained Glass medals are a reference to the clocks, which are designed as references to the DttH."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 12:57, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
So in The Final World, Chirithy says Sora has been there before in his sleep. Does that mean the Dive to the Heart is the Final World? TheSilentHero 18:14, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
The exact line is "You've wondered here more than once before on your visits to the Station of Awakening // The edges of sleep and death touch, and one can't help the occasional crossover." It certainly sounds like Dive to the Heart and The Final World are one and the same. Merge? - Joveus (talk) 20:35, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
"The edges of sleep and death touch, and one can't help the occasional crossover." This line, right here, screams "keep the pages separate," at least to me. They are separate "realms" that exist very close together on the same plane. I think of it like the Visible World, Valhalla, and the Unseen Realm from FFXIII. Valhalla = Station of Awakening, a "middle-ground" between life (Realm of Light/Darkness/Sleep) and death (Final World). Or is it that Final World is the next step between life, sleep, and death? I remmeber reading it's a purgatory realm, but either way, "sleep" is a separate place. I guess the order would be Life (Realms) -> Sleep (Station) -> Purgatory (Final World) -> Death. - EternalNothingnessXIII 23:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
My understanding is that the crossover only includes the portions where Sora is on his way to the Dive to the Heart, and the surroundings look somewhat like the final world -- basically, the bits with birds and water. The Dive would still be its own thing."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 14:29, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
DDD
Shouldn't it be Data-Ansem, Data-Xion, and Data-Ventus, instead of Xion and Ansem?"We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 16:16, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
The people Riku talks to you mean? I don't think those are from Ansem's data, I think those are representations of the actual hearts within Sora, just in sort of a state of limbo where their interactions are limited. After all, they are the three who we know from KH3 have hearts inside Sora. Ansem should definitely be Data-Ansem though. LightRoxas 17:44, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
I was under the belief that they were the locks on the data about the people they represent that Ansem had placed on the data he found."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 17:45, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
See, that does kinda make sense, but I believe what Ansem says is that talking to them was the final step to waking Sora up. I don't think he references them in connection to the data, though he does say the data was what he found from while Sora was sleeping, so maybe they *are* connected that way? LightRoxas 17:58, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Opening bit
So nearly everyone from past games appears in the opening as memories on mirror for Sora, so does that count as a "appearances" in KH3? Not a full appearances, per say. But should it be handle like on the Possessor page for 358? UnknownCheisā—— Mirror Mirror 05:33, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
If you want to take the time to go through and confirm each one, I'm fine with it."We're werewolves,not swearwolves."(KrytenKoro) 00:07, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Power of Waking in KHIII
I added the images from Re:Mind of Aqua, Terra, Riku, and Roxas's Dive to the Hearts to the Kingdom Hearts III sections, but I was wondering about the Stations used when Sora retrieves the Hearts of the Guardians of Light, if there was anyone who had images of those (they were simply Stations that depicted the artwork of the World, shrouded in Darkness). On that note, I would like to ask about the Power of Waking as well, as it is stated within the article that Sora used the Power of Waking to access these stations, however in Re:Mind Chirithy specifies that Sora hadn't used the Power of Waking, which is meant to awaken a sleeping heart, but rather he'd traversed hearts and revived his friends through the alteration of time and fate (or something along those lines). Thus, I was just wondering if the verbiage in the KHIII section shouldn't be altered because of this. (Levi657 (talk) 15:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC))
Watch the scene again. It wasn't that he wasn't using the power of waking, it was that he was misusing the power of waking. Draconai (talk) 01:51, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Corona Station
In other news, for reasons that I suspect aren't gonna make sense to anyone else, I found myself paying unusual attention to those particular stations on my last playthrough, and discovered a discrepancy. Anyone care to inform me why the image of the Corona station here is (almost) completely different from the one in-game? Draconai (talk) 01:51, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
KH3D station image is wrong
There was at least one stained glass Dive to the Heart Station floor mural in Dream Drop Distance, and it didn't look quite like the one from KH2 that is shown just above the KH3D text section of this article, because the trees and waves and clouds in the background looked more like the ones in Sora's station from Birth by Sleep. If I had a copy of KHHD2.8 for the PC, I'd rip and post the station(s) myself, but I don't. Is it possible that someone who does could please rip and upload the station(s) here to fix that mistake? --Wikipirate (talk) 23:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Adding to this, we're also missing Riku's new Station of Awakening from Re Mind, where his hand with the cards has been changed, and the card symbols around the edge have been replaced with hearts: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhZc2CVWsAE1Hm7?format=jpg&name=large --mikoto 08:48, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
All other ReMind stations besides Roxas's are not objects in the game, they are only part of the video sequences, so we can't get a texture for them. Roxas's station without Xion is there but I can't seem to apply (or even export) the glass effect to it, so it looks very different from the official one. --ShardofTruth 19:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Huh, weird. And having that version of Roxas' station is better than nothing. Do you have it with a transparent background? --mikoto 02:45, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
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