Talk:Realm of Darkness

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• "Anyone who has become strongly attuned to Darkness eventually develops amber eyes and pointed ears. This is seen in Xehanort, his Heartless and Nobody, Ansem the Wise, Braig and his Nobody, and Saïx."

I believe Nomura has said that Braig has these because of his relationship with Xehanort...although that doesn't rule out that the base mechanic is darkness, doesn't explain why Xehanort would waste time fiddling with eyes and ears, doesn't explain Ventus and Vanitas not having these features, and doesn't explain Ansem having them. Anyway, can someone provide the quote from the interview (I believe in BbS Ultimania) and if possible, the original Japanese line? There is a plethora of poorly translated material that we get from some of these sources (remember Two Across and 13 Mushroom?), and I'd like to be able to look at the thing myself.

Also, if anyone can find other mentions of eyes and ears in the ultimanias and interviews, we should take a look at those too."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:39, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Objection withdrawn. KH3D makes it clear why this is, although I'm still questioning why Ansem has them."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 00:21, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Saix

"After being saved from Saïx's Heartless by..."

Since Saix is a Nobody, this sentence is incorrect, right? This reads he is a Nobody's Heartless, which isn't technically possible. Shouldn't just read "Saix"? 203.205.121.65 14:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

• It just means the Heartless that he summoned to attack them. Servantroxas 21:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

wait, if every realm has a keyblade master, than who is it for the realm of darkness?Rock2060 23:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Mickey.The MotherF*!#%&@ article says so

Ansem

Ansem was never trapped here. He was trapped in the Realm of Nothingness. Check http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Ansem_Report if you don't believe me. Whoever's reverting my edits should know that there is no need.--68.193.149.112 02:51, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Drop it, he used the corridors for travel. He wasn't trapped there. TNÉ _{En avant Bravo !} 03:05, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

You know, I could've sworn it said that Xehanort and the other 5 apprentices banished him to the Realm of Nothingness. To keep his sanity, he began to write the Reports. He later managed to escape the realm, becoming "one of the dark" via his alias, DiZ. - Eternal Nothingness XIII

LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside! TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!" Okay, I'll settle this by checking the insider. There is no need to argue over something so stupid! Edit: It says the realm of NOTHINGNESS!

Yea, it does, I'm glad we agree. That's what I've been saying. So that entire paragraph isn't really applicable. That's why I'm deleting it.--68.193.149.112 17:43, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Realm of Darkness's Geography

Would it perhaps be beneficial to include a physical description or geography for the Realm of Darkness? You see what it looks like in Kingdom Hearts's ending, Final Mix's new cutscene with Riku there, the scenes with the Dark Margin, and especially since it is able to be traversed during the secret episode, otherwise known as Fragmentary Passage. Would this many appearance not be viable enough to include a description of what the Realm of Darkness actually looks like?- Ganondorf Undurin Dragmire 03:17, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

They also give a veiw of it at the end of Birth by Sleep. giving another look into the Darkness. The physicality of the Dark would be most important 96.4.63.22 12:27, February 11, 2011 (UTC)Okirxn, The Metalic Phantom

The flaws in the 'Realm of Darkness' entry

The Corridors of Darkness

They are NOT really a part of the Realm of Darkness, seeing that the article is incorrect in stating that the realm is "made up of Darkness in people in every world", for, were that so, Aqua in the final scene of BbS would be within every person within the World, meaning, by forcing the light in her to act, she could enter anyones heart via the dark and end the conflict that is present in the entire series. The realm itself is a reflected version of the Realm of Light. The Darkness leaks into the Light, and, keeping with the mirror analogy, the Light slips into the Darkness. In reality, the Corridors are door to the Lanes Between, accessed by Darkness rather than a Keyblade. In Kingdom Hearts II When Sora and company enter the Dark Corridor to get to the World that Never Was, they fight alongside Axel in a space between worlds known as "Betwixt and Between", which looks very similar to the space the first keyblade wielders used, with the addition of the Nobody symbol walls.

Vanitas

The article says that those who spend too much time in darkness, their eyes turn amber and their skin darkens. Is this also true for Vanitas, as he has amber eyes? Or are his eyes just a character trait?

"A fragmentary passage" Areas

I have a Japanese roommate. I just asked him to translate for me the names of the three rooms that the player can go through in "A fragmentary passage", and he kindly did so as best as he could given the shoddy screenshotlets I took of some YouTube videos. He was able to determine that, first, the Japanese title of the world is "Dark World" (I bet this wouldn't be too bad to translate into "Realm of Darkness", but then they don't stick "Realm of Light" onto everything in the games, so...*shrug*), and second, the naming of the three rooms was a pretty general method: It's in a hierarchy.

Strangely, however, the rooms' names are in a different order than they are visited, if one thinks logically. (Either that, or I arranged them wrong on the Paint file I used to put them in...) If all is right, then essentially, in order, these are the (essential) names of the three rooms that are visited in "A fragmentary passage", in order:

1. Dark World: Middle Tier
2. Dark World: Bottom Tier
3. Dark World: Top Tier

(Tiers ARE the "stages" of a hierarchy, right?)

The name of the room the boss is fought in is...well, I have no clue; I wonder whether the names of places such as "Memory's Contortion" are fan-made or what...Anyway, I can upload the .png file I have the three on (with my notes) if someone wants to take another look and see if there's something wrong. Regardless, someone should really at least put the descriptions of the three rooms into the article. I would, but 1) I don't have the game, and 2) I've got a paper to write! FT 20:47, 3 March 2011 (EST)

KHWiki talk:Project World has translations already, but thanks for the work you did! We'll try to get somebody to add descriptions soon."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 09:02, 4 March 2011 (EST)

Days

When does the Realm of Darkness appear in Days?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 23:46, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

The cutscene where Xemnas tells Roxas that he went to see Sora, and that he looked liked Roxas. The scene was in Another side, another story as well. Chitalian8 23:57, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

Realm of Darkness =/= Realm of Nothingness

ok, forgive me, but I really don't get this. All of a sudden, the Realm of Nothingness suddenly became the Realm of Darkness, all because Ansem was banished by Xehanort into a realm and in Blank Points, Ansem says he's been to the Dark Realm before. I mean sure, that sounds sorta right, but what about the other proof that says it was the realm of nothingness? Ansem states in the Secret Ansem Reports numerous times that he was in a realm of Nothingness. Ansem says those who stay too long in that realm will become nothing. Ansem calls himself DiZ, meaning Darkness in Zero. Darkness meaning the darkness he chose to use and zero meaning the realm of nothingness. In CoM R/R, Riku says that DiZ's scent was not darkness, but something else. This scent is most likely Nothingness. CaelumLucisCaliga Talk! - My dragon eats tofu like it's water! I don't think highly of myself. I think lowly of others. — 14:44, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT." TALK - Nomura has specifically said that there is the Realm of Light, the Realm of Darkness, and the Realm Between. There is no room for another realm. There is no point at which DiZ could have been to the Realm of Darkness before the end of KH2, other than his "realm of nothingness" (not capitalized) that he mentions in the reports. Aqua says exactly the same thing about the realm of darkness, that her memories are slipping away, as Ansem did.

Well, to be fair, we can't assume that there is no room for another realm. Also, if we are to take this path... than what realm would Nobodies be associated with? KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 18:19, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

CaelumLucisCaliga Talk! - Join the Darkness. We have cookies. Dark Chocolate Chip Cookies! — 18:57, 16 April 2011 (EDT) *"realm of nothingness" (not capitalized): Ok I'll give you that. Aqua had been in the dark realm for 11 years in Blank Points, yet she still exists. According to the Secret Ansem Reports, she probably would have stopped existing. That is, unless she was in a different realm than the one Ansem was in years before. Still doesn't explain why Ansem would numerously refer to that realm as nothingness instead of darkness, or why he calls himself DiZ instead of DiD (or something) and why Riku sensed something other than darkness in Ansem. I'm ok with saying that Ansem was in the dark realm of there is enough proof saying so, but we can't ignore some contradictory facts.

KrytenKoro - "Hurricane beats all housing or apartments. This sucker is a Cat-6!" TALK - ....erg... Nomura was outlining the structure of the universe. Ergo, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR ANOTHER REALM. That's like saying "There are four forces that completely define the universe.....THERE'S ANOTHER ONE I DECIDED NOT TO TELL YOU ABOUT EARLIER." The darkness, an empty realm, eats away at your self and your memories. Aqua's sojourn illustrates that perfectly, and Ansem says that the last time he ws here, he was losing his memories - JUST AS IN THE SECRET ANSEM REPORTS. ... I, too, have had everything taken away from me, banished to a hollow realm of nothingness. What is Xehanort hoping to gain with my pilfered existence? Will my people cease to smile? If the light of hope has been extinguished, I shall henceforth walk with darkness as a friend. Here, in the realm of nothingness to which I have been relegated. Darkness in the midst of nothing. "Darkness in Zero." Thus, I shall be known as DiZ. Discarding the stolen name "Ansem"... And going in search of revenge. It is only by relying upon my anger and hatred that I have been able to retain my sense of self here where all existence is nullified. My heart is being overcome with hatred toward my apprentices, 'possessed by the darkness, and with the anger I feel for stupidly allowing myself to be betrayed. Is this darkness, eating away at my heart? There are no contradictions whatsoever with the Realm of Darkness being the realm Ansem was talking about. Ansem describes the realm of darkness as being empty. That's all the Secret Ansem Reports were doing. Having a separate realm of nothingness would introduce a huge amount of inconsistencies, and to do it we'd have to assume that Nomura and Ansem were lying at every point other than his few lines in the Secret Ansem Reports.

CaelumLucisCaliga Talk! - My level 3 troll can totally defeat your level 5 ogre! Total PWNAGE! — 11:28, 17 April 2011 (EDT) Seeing that you're taking the time to respond to me and answer detailedly (yeah i know that's not a word), I feel like I'm irking you (yeah I know that's not a word), but just answer me one last thing. It's the question I really wanna ask and (no offense) you kinda seem to be avoiding. In Chain of Memories Reverse/Rebirth, when Riku enters the memory-version of Twilight Town, he sees Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, but soon realizes that it is someone else. This person pretending to be the Heartless Ansem turns out to be DiZ, ergo the true Ansem, Ansem the Wise. Riku states that DiZ and Heartless Ansem were different because "Ansem" smelled of the foullest darkness, while DiZ did not smell like darkness, but smelled like something else. If there are purely three realms, light, darkness, and twilight, then DiZ would have to smell like one of those realms. Riku would have easily recognized light and darkness, but since he could not decide what DiZ's particular scent was, then DiZ's scent was, by logic, not light, darkness, or twilight. So what could DiZ's scent have been, if not nothingness? And no I'm pretty sure DiZ didn't rub himself with mayonnaise and cream cheese.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! CLC, you said: "If there are purely three realms, light, darkness, and twilight, then DiZ would have to smell like one of those realms. Riku would have easily recognized light and darkness, but since he could not decide what DiZ's particular scent was, then DiZ's scent was, by logic, not light, darkness, or twilight." The second sentence doesn't make sense. If Riku couldn't recognize the scent of light or darkness and thus couldn't decide what his scent was, how does that mean DiZ didn't smell like nothingness? Either that or he smelled like sea-salt ice cream.

Riku specifically stated that DiZ's scent was not darkness. Riku also couldn't recognize the scent so it wasn't light, since Riku would have easily recognized light. Twilight is light and darkness combined, so if DiZ's scent wasn't light or darkness, then it couldn't have been twilight, or light and darkness combined. Therefore, DiZ's scent wasn't light, darkness, or twilight. Is that clear now? I'm asking what DiZ's scent would be if it wasn't light, darkness, or twilight. Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical 12:38, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

It's the exact same scent that Riku will later take on, the one that is the entire theme of his story - a mix of light and darkness. There is nothing about being in one realm or the other that locks in what your scent is - Xehanort was very dark, without ever going to the Realm of Darkness, and Sora is pure light even though he did.

There is no "Realm of Twilight". There is "The Realm Between", which is the space between worlds and realms. It's the star-filled emptiness you fly Gummi Ships through, etc.24.13.125.86 14:41, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Wait, the Realm Between isn't made of twilight? Wow my entire view of Kingdom Hearts is falling apart. DiZ's scent couldn't have been a mix between light and darkness because Riku specifically said that DiZ's scent was NOT darkness. Even if it was darkness and light, there's still darkness. But seeing as the person above stated that being in a realm does not affect your scent, I concede. Even though I personally think it would make so much more sense if it was a realm of nothingness, I guess some things just weren't supposed to happen. I appreciate all those who put up with my endless rattling. :P Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical 18:49, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 11:59, 8 May 2013 (UTC) I too would argue that the realm of nothingsness is in fact a seperate plane, the problem here is that it's never mentioned by Nomura, which either means it's completely unimportant or really not a thing of its own and part of another realm (darkness or in-between). But we've seen the realm of darkness in KHBBSFM, it may be considered empty compared to the realm of light but it's not a place "where all existence is nullified" (Secret Ansem's Report 4), because there things existing in it, mainly the pure blood heartless. I would also argue that we've seen this place at least three times now. First in Castle Oblivion where the door with the keyhole leads to the last battle with Marluxia, he said: Soon the emptiness will shatter your heart-here in this world of nothingness! (一切の心が消えた無の世界―――おまえの心を…虚しく散らせ！) Then there is the place Naminè talks to Roxas on the 3rd day called The Empty Realm and of course the place the final battle against Xemnas takes place, The World of Nothing. The last two places use the same kanji 虚無の世界 (it's only 無の世界 in the Secret Ansem's Reports) and even if it's not directly seen ingame SE choose these names themselves. The three places have a lot in common, they are vast, mostly white and almost empty. Another thing is how Sora and Riku move to the Dark Margin. It's futile to discuss if it's the door to light (it doesn't look like it) or something similiar but they cross over to another realm/world (because that's what these tunnels do) meaning they probably weren't in the realm of darkness before. There is a lot left in the dark how the universe of Kingdom Hearts works, especially how other realms and the worlds in it are connected and can be reached. But I say there is a notable difference in the visual style of these two places and even if some characteristics like the emptyness seem to overlap they are not the same and shouldn't be called the same.

Armor

Doesn't the Keyblade Armor used by Terra, Aqua, Ventus, and Master Xehanort provide insulation from the darkness as well? Shouldn't we list it alongside the Black Coat in the Corridor of Darkness section? --LegoAlchemist 14:30, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Soitenly."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:11, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Random fact about the Dark Margin

Just something random I found and thought was interesting. The world in KH2 that is the Dark Margin actually has an internal name: "End of Sea". This is pulled from the US version, where there is a "Land in End of Sea" gummi ship text line. Also supported by the fact that the world's ID code is "ES". Crazycatz (talk) 08:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

World

According to this translation of Memorial Ultimania, the Dark Margin in a world in the Realm of Darkness. A world like Castle Oblivion or Twilight Town :) Lady Junky (talk) 15:21, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

You could say that but it's a bit more complicated. The Director's Secret Report XIII says "What can be called the Dark Margin seen at the beginning and end of KHII is the tip of a world. It is not strictly part of the Realm of Darkness but rather what serves as the boundary line between the dark and the in-between. In the ending, Sora and Riku were on the coast on the Between side and were looking at the sea of the Realm of Darkness."

So it's actually part Realm of Darkness and part Realm Between. --ShardofTruth 16:07, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Except the Director's Secret Report was released 7 years ago. Nomura could changed his mind especially when in the Memorial, they cleary say "part of the Realm of Darkness", not between the two realms :/ Lady Junky (talk) 16:11, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

No, it never outright says that (here is an image). What's been translated is actually just a diagram where the the Dark Margin even slightly overlaps the area (a purple bubble) of the Realm of Darkness. Also, as noted in the comment above, the Dark Margin is only a place, the actual world would be called "End of Sea". --ShardofTruth 16:16, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

So... Dark Margin is a part of End of Sea, which is a world in the Realm of Darkness? Lady Junky (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Probably. As I said it's not wrong to put the world in the Realm of Darkness but it's not completely right either. Also "End of Sea" might or might be not the official name of the world, Square Enix often uses some unusual abbreviations and descriptions in its game files, but at least it's a hint that the "Dark Margin" is part of something bigger (as is Numara's "tip of a world" quote). --ShardofTruth 16:44, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm just chiming in to mention that the part of Director's Secret Report you quote as "tip of a world" is a mistranslation. The word used in there is 世界 (sekai), which is usually translated by "world", but in the context of the KH series is used in reference to the various Realms. The word used to refer to KH Worlds is ワールド (which is a transliteration of the English "world"). -Alarielle- (talk) 16:51, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

It seems you're right. So it's actually the tip of a realm? The original quote is: "闇の海岸と呼ばれるKHIIの冒頭と最後に出て来た場所は、世界の突端であって、厳密には闇の世界では無く狭間と闇の境界線の様な場所です。エンディングのソラとリクは、狭間の世界側である砂浜から、闇の世界である海を見ていたわけです。" But my Japanese is not good enough to make more sense of it, how can it be both the tip of a realm and a borderline between two realms at the same time? --ShardofTruth 17:07, 11 October 2014 (UTC)