User talk:Byzantinefire

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Welcome!

LightRoxas - "It was the sound of books... pages being turned. So, that's just what I was doing, just reading, uh... books. So not a moron." TALK - "Apparently when you scream at a marshmallow, all you get is a scared marshmallow." Welcome to the wiki! Here are a few things you should know regarding your recent edits to the Xehanort quotes page: Please make sure to use good grammar and correct capitalization. It is especially important that when putting down quotes, you put them exactly as they are said in the game. Please make sure to use correct formatting - if you need help, just look at the other quotes that are there. Try not to spread one quote across so many edits; use the Show Preview button underneath the edit table if you need to see what your edit will look like. When you spread your edits across so much, it fills up the page history and makes it harder to undo any bad edits. If you have any questions, just contact me on my talk page!

FileTalk: Continued

Thought I should finish my thought, but the page was removed just as I was going to publish it. So, I understand, though from where I stand, he has every reason to be mad. Anyways, if you want to help, check the "Welcome" banner on your talk page. It has many wonderful links that can help prevent this kind of thing. KeybladeSpyMaster 06:56, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Re:Mediawiki Pages

I'm not sure what you mean by MediaWiki Pages. Could you please explain? KeybladeSpyMaster -KeybladeSpyMaster (talk) 18:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Well like the cursor on Disney Wiki is Mickey Mouse's glove i was thinking the cursor here should be a keyblade. Byzantinefire (talk) 18:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

TheFifteenthMember YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BLOOMIN' HAIR, YOU LAGABOUTIN' SPOUTIN' POUTIN' TROUT!!! — TheFifteenthMember 20:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC) Sorry to butt in here, but I'd just like to say what I think about this whole Disney Wiki thing. I think that you guys copying nearly all of our articles word for word isn't right. As a Wiki, we've worked to build those articles so it's only natural that we'll feel a bit miffed after seeing our hard work copied somewhere else. Saying that, I know that our entire wiki's content is under GNU Free Documentation License but that shouldn't mean it can just be copied word for word. My problem isn't that Disney Wiki is taking information from our Wiki, it's the fact that you're copying our exact writing, images and style. An alternative is you guys take our articles and edit them to suit your Wiki. So for example, I doubt the Disney Wiki needs to go into too much gameplay details when there is a whole KHWiki for that so most gameplay sections and articles need to be trimmed, cut and condensed. One idea that came up on the IRC is you make a "List of Kingdom Hearts Gameplay" or something similar, if you really want to include some stuff. That way you can still cover some gameplay but it'll only be spread across a single article. I think the KH articles should mainly focus on plot details, maybe development, relations to Disney franchises etc. To put it short, I'm happy as long as the Disney Wiki haven't copied us exactly word for word.

I know but its quite a long shot and i can't really do it by myself and i would prefer it if users from KHWiki would come and help edit it to make it less like the originals. Byzantinefire (talk) 22:09, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Huh? What are the editors on the Disney Wiki doing? I hate to use a hostile tone but seriously, that's not fair. You can't expect us to write an article for this wiki...and then rewrite it for the Disney Wiki. Saying that, if some people do want to help the Disney Wiki, they're welcome to, I'm just speaking for myself here. TheFifteenthMember 23:04, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry i asked. Byzantinefire (talk) 23:39, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

No, you can ask for help. I'm just saying that the Disney Wiki (including OTHER editors, not just you) need to pull their weight too. TheFifteenthMember 23:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah but many of them might be too busy editing Frozen related articles. Byzantinefire (talk) 23:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Then the least you can do is license your .gifs, which members of our wiki made, like this and many more (although why a Disney Wiki would need an article on Thunder Surge, I'll never understand). Also, you shouldn't attribute our articles to your wiki (so no having our articles as Featured Articles for your wiki) and it would be nice if the template attributing us was at the top of pages, instead of the bottom where no one can see it. EDIT: This has come to my attention. TheFifteenthMember 17:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk Template

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 10:33 PM Mon, December 16, 2013 MST I noticed that you had problems with your talk template. If you want, I can help (I just got a tablet, which has way more typing space than my psp). Just tell me where it is.

Byzantinefire - "I am king under the Mountain" TALK - :) 23:15, 17 December 2013 (UTC) Here it is! You'll still have to change the image, though, bur other than that, it looks like it works!

Re:Disney Wiki

KeybladeSpyMaster - There will always be a Door to the light ! TALK - Helping others always comes before asking others for help! - 04:55 PM Fri, January 31, 2014 MST Sure, I'll help with the Disney Wiki. Just tell me what exactly needs to be done, and how you guys want to do it. I would have answered elsewhere, but I can't find your page on the Fanon Wiki

KeybladeSpyMaster - There will always be a Door to the light ! TALK - Helping others always comes before asking others for help! - 08:50 PM Fri, January 31, 2014 MST I know there was a problem back in December that was supposed to be resolved concerning what would stay and what would go. Any chance you could tell me what exactly is being done with the pages(Which are you keeping, which are becoming lists, etc.)?

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 11:10 PM Sat, February 1, 2014 MST Could you please explain what you mean by "professional reorganizer"? (I can't figure it out based on his edits)

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 07:20 PM Sun, February 2, 2014 MST I'll try, but you'll have to see here for my stand on this issue. I refuse to help create pages that shouldn't be on that wiki.

KeybladeSpyMaster - There will always be a Door to the light ! TALK - Helping others always comes before asking others for help! - 08:26 PM Sun, February 2, 2014 MST Yes, of course, the people pages shouldn't be removed (except maybe the FF and TWEWY pages, because they're not related at all to Disney, except maybe Leon for knowing King Mickey). And the songs, they're published by Disney, so they should stay, too. But Utada Hikaru's page, for example, not so much. We don't even have a page for her here, much less should it be there.

KeybladeSpyMaster - There will always be a Door to the light ! TALK - Helping others always comes before asking others for help! - 09:00 PM Sun, February 2, 2014 MST Again, the songs are published by Disney, so they should stay. I was talking about Utada Hikaru's page, the one that talks about her as an artist, not the pages that talk about her songs.

KeybladeSpyMaster - Wait, there's more than one Xehanort? TALK - I don't understand! Doesn't that make them Oraganization XXVI? - 08:36 PM Tue, February 4, 2014 MST I'm not sure. I had suggested on the last discussion that the Disney Wiki should focus on story, and I understood that both TheFifteenthMember and SilverFlight were on board with that. Now I'm confused, and there doesn't appear to be anyone on the KHWiki-noticeboard of the IRC when I asked. I don't know anymore...

Pea14733 Knowing it in your head doesn't mean much if you don't act on it. — 03:46, 5 February 2014 (UTC) It's because "everyone" is on the KHWiki-social. You should've at least tell us on the social channel...(oh and sorry for the intrusion)

KeybladeSpyMaster - Oh, sorry, Sora. I thought you and Kairi were going out... TALK - Well, this is awkward... - 09:35 PM Tue, February 4, 2014 MST Sorry, I didn't know. I don't know too much about the IRC, so I don't know how it's handled or anything about it, really. I'll warn about it on the social IRC next time.

Thanks!

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 12:30 AM Fri, November 1, 2024 MST You're the first person to use my friend userbox! (Yay!) Thanks!

Your Welcome. Byzantinefire (talk) 22:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Re:Keyblade

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 08:00 PM Sat, April 5, 2014 MST Yes, it should. The only problem is that little is known about the Keyblade Armor and Gliders, other than they're linked to the Keyblades and they appear in Birth By Sleep. Even then, there appears to be exceptions (Yen Sid and Mickey have never used either one). That's why, in the Birth by Sleep section. I mentioned that the two concepts were introduced.

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 03:18 PM Wed, April 9, 2014 MST Sorry I haven't responded, school has restarted, and I'm determined not to slip like I did last quarter. Anyways, I was going to use the image from Birth by Sleep that was on the original article on the Disney Wiki, but the image doesn't exist here. I'll use it when I move it, though. I'll gladly help write up the articles that you listed. However, I'm not sure if a Symbols of the Kingdom Hearts series is necessary on the Disney Wiki. The others, I can try and help out with. Did you get the others on Disney Wiki the message about what we decided at the Roundtable?

:I agree, the "Symbols of the Kingdom Hearts series" doesn't belong on the DisneyWiki. But I suggest you mention KH on your hidden mickey article. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:23, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

This is none of your busyness 15 there are plenty of Disney themed symbols and never tell which belongs on which wiki never say DisneyWiki its Disney Wiki. Byzantinefire (talk) 22:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for butting into the conversation. Not sorry for sharing my opinion, which I still stand by. Character and world symbols take up 0.2% of the game. It's only the Mickey head that's significant.

P.S: Inventive sarky-ness with the nowiki tags right there. TheFifteenthMember 22:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't need you giving me more stress.Byzantinefire (talk) 22:40, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

KeybladeSpyMaster - We can't let the χ-board be made! We must stop the Edit War! TALK - - Okay, calm down... - 09:21 PM Wed, April 9, 2014 MST Ok, here I go. I continue to stand that the Symbols of the Kingdom Hearts series does not belong on the Disney Wiki. The Fleur-de-lis, for example, is not a Disney symbol, it's only used in Disney works and in the Kingdom Hearts series, but is not exclusive or original to either one. If we were to begin to list every time the Fleur-de-lis appeared in a work on the Disney Wiki, we would need a couple hundred pages. It doesn't belong to Disney, therefore, it does not belong on the wiki. The Character symbols definitely don't belong on the Disney Wiki. Let's face it, they don't even belong to the Kingdom Hearts series. They're presented in an Ultimania, a magazine/book (I don't know, what is it exactly?) and that's it. Except for Pete's symbol from the door to Timeless River and Vanitas's symbol, none of those exist in the actual games. I personally don't agree with having them in the article on this wiki at all. Much less do they belong on an article on the Disney Wiki. The Hidden Mickey references should definitely be listed on the Disney Wiki. However, I'm pretty sure an article exists on the Wiki already for that. Might I suggest a more detailed list on that article rather than a gallery? Just a thought. The remaining world symbols, in my opinion, should be listed on their respective world pages on the Disney Wiki. It's the most logical place for these symbols. Conclusion: The page does not belong on the Disney Wiki. It serves little purpose throughout the series anyways. It's more of an interesting quirk than anything else. This wiki is not the correct/appropriate place to have a dispute/argument regarding the correct spelling/naming of the Disney Wiki. First of all, let's face it: officially, it's titled the "DisneyWiki". I still use the space, because my fast typing makes me put the space there automatically. If you change it back to "Disney Wiki", that's great. If not, that's okay. No one's going to die. The world won't end. And honestly, this isn't the DisneyWiki, this is the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. Wrong place to make the argument in the first place. I think we, as a community, are willing to help the Disney Wiki. But you have to meet us half-way. Of course, I speak more for myself, but still. I'll gladly help out with the other articles you listed, and I think the plan is to figure out the world format we would like to suggest for the Disney Wiki on Friday. We don't mean to completely stall your own goals, but we have our own lives and goals, so don't expect us to always agree with your plans.

Your conduct

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 18:51, 10 April 2014 (UTC)   Byz, I don't want to have to start giving you warnings, but this is the only chance I'm giving you. You need to stop being so belligerent when debating content, whether on here or on the Disney wiki. You have a tendency to take every argument as a personal affront, and saying passive aggressive things like "don't give me stress" or "but it matters to me" turns a constructive debate into a non-productive and, frankly, embarrassing debacle. You need to be a lot more professional if you want us to continue taking you seriously. Because I think we've been very patient, both here and at the Disney wiki.

Affiliation

That's right, you weren't there to discuss the issue. It was concluded at the Roundtable that Erry would discuss with the other staff/admin members about affiliation with the Disney Wiki. I think the purpose/objective was to have an answer by the next Roundtable. KeybladeSpyMaster 20:25, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh right well i almost forgot about that but it was not mentioned on the previous aftermath Roundtable section so i just wanted to be sure.. Byzantinefire (talk)

Yeah, it wasn't, but it was in the transcripts/log KeybladeSpyMaster 00:06, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Logo Images

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 09:47 PM Sat, June 7, 2014 MST Hey, where did you get the HD logo images? They're pretty cool, and I really like them, but where were they? I've never seen them before. Per chance, do you have them for other images, like world images or such?

I got them from KHInsider. Byzantinefire (talk) 04:48, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 10:11 PM Sat, June 7, 2014 MST Dang it! I specifically want a cleaner version of this image. Oh well, I'll see if I can find it elsewhere. Maybe I can extract it from the KHII iso file I have? Don't know, I'll see. Thanks, anyways!

Images

Hey there. If you really want to help out on the images, we could really use someone to make images transparent. A list of such images can be found over here. The images don't need to be resized-made larger- they need to be transparent. If you can help on that, that would be appreciated. Thanks. Xion4ever 03:41, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Dude, actually check what you're transparenting. Don't just Fuzzy Select + Save. Check the image. UnknownCheisā ^{—— Don't believe Ondore's lies} 04:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I am just checking over what is on the list. Byzantinefire (talk) 04:51, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

He's right, though. Don't just make everything big and transparent. Quality over quantity. As a general rule, I think it should be just in-game elements that should be transparent. But other things, like this, don't need to be. Also, quality trumps size. Three images were reverted yesterday because they were of poorer quality, even if they were bigger. Just be careful. KeybladeSpyMaster 05:40, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

But those images were on the list and many of the images i uploaded are higher quality than the original. Byzantinefire (talk) 16:24, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Huh, well, the Smile (Art) image isn't on that list, so I'm not on that. However, UnknownChaser was wrong with the other images he reverted. I don't know, I guess those images should be reverted to your uploads. I'll do that myself. KeybladeSpyMaster 18:40, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Well i made a Transparent image of that Smile image but with the Yellow number code and i will be uploading it now. Byzantinefire (talk) 18:47, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Hold off on images for the time being. Once Chaser goes through the transparency list on the renovation forum we'll go from there. So, until then, just hold off so we can get this straight. Thanks again for your help. Xion4ever 18:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Your Welcome. Byzantinefire (talk) 18:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Three things:

1. I think we all appreciate your effort here but uploading these images from KHInsider without giving a source is just rude. Sign spent countless hours rendering all these images and this could easily strain our relationship with this site.

2. As pointed out above some images are intended with a white background, mostly artworks, sketches and images ripe with effects. Pulling off a transparent alternative takes a whole lot of skill, something that you, I and even Sign are not capable of. This requieres a whole new level of wizardry (just check this out).

3. Bigger is not always better, the quality of an image can greatly improve if it's not compressed until there is no tomorrow. The order is mostly like this this: scans < press materials < website materials/rips. Even if the press materials are always around 3000x3000px or even bigger they are in most cases heavily compressed jpgs, meaning a loss of color fidelity and an somewhat blurred image. So even if it that's big it always looks hideous when displayed at 100%. That's not true for all circumstances though, so it has to be decided from a case to case basis if an image should be replaced or not.

The other problem with the bigger images you uploaded is that most of the pictures here are displayed at 350x850px max., so when you uploaded the new images with the vast white space around them they look actually smaller now than before. ShardofTruth 10:18, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I can't just say where it is from all the time and frankly i don't like being criticized by anyone we all know where the images are from and at least i contribute these images to 3 wiki's at once you only bother to edit one wiki now. Byzantinefire (talk) 15:30, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Conduct

TheFifteenthMember YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BLOOMIN' HAIR, YOU LAGABOUTIN' SPOUTIN' POUTIN' TROUT!!! — TheFifteenthMember 16:05, 15 June 2014 (UTC) Look dude, you've been told about this before and you've obviously not learnt from your mistakes. At the moment, your attitude is proving to be unhelpful to say the least. Ending constructive discussions with personal affronts or complaints causes a problem, especially when other users are being polite and patient with you. You still need to learn the lesson that quality trumps quantity and that taking content from other sites without citation is plagiarism. Please consider your behaviour in future discussions.

I'm the one that should be upset here all this talk of quality of quantity i know the difference and you telling me about plagiarism i was replacing these images to make it up to KHWiki and most of you have just been ungrateful i have edited and added image to more wiki's than you in your entire lifetime and you give me is scorn. Byzantinefire (talk) 16:12, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Without turning this into an argument, let me tell you some facts. Everyone has been repeatedly saying "we appreciate your efforts" so I'm not sure why you think we're ungrateful. ShardofTruth was giving you advice on how to make your edits better but you responded negatively, which is the "attitude" I was referring to earlier. TheFifteenthMember 16:25, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh well i was confused well i will just everytime i get an image from KHInsider i will say in the upload comment that i got from said site. Byzantinefire (talk) 16:27, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Resizing Images

Until we get the discussion on the art transparency forum about your image uploads is settled, please hold off on uploading images. If you are indeed doing a poorer quality of image work, be it resizing or transparency, you're just making more work for us over here. So, until Shard or someone else with some higher image knowledge replies, do not upload any more images. This means, no resizing, no transparencies, nothing. Thank you. Xion4ever 19:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Rather harsh don't you think. Byzantinefire (talk) 19:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

MegaProject: Arise - Home Project

KeybladeSpyMaster - I fight for the Users! TALK - - Greetings, users. System is up, and ready for user input. - 05:13 PM Mon, June 23, 2014 MST CODE 0xKHWV001: SYSTEM START UP Because of its recently-highlighted importance, I hereby invite/encourage/slightly push you to come contribute to the discussion on the revamp of the Main Page. Thanks!

Re:IRC

Hey, just got your message. Can you get on right now? KeybladeSpyMaster 03:13, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Logo

Remember the logo. I finished it. Erry's advice helped a lot.

What do you think? KeybladeSpyMaster 23:10, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

It looks good but is it the same size as the current one? Byzantinefire (talk) 23:12, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

And it does break a bit from the tradition look maybe wait until the game cover comes out. Byzantinefire (talk) 23:14, 2 July 2014 (UTC)