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TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC) Hello fellow editors of KHWiki.com and The Keyhole alike! As part of "MegaProject: Arise" (our new project that aims to re-establish a flourishing community), we've decided to revive the magazine and podcast ideas (see this and it's talk page)! this forum will be where the Keyhole and KHWiki.com can both discuss how we'll go about making them. Here's what we've decided already: The magazine and podcast will be side-by-side with each complementing the other. A new issue will be released every three months. The magazine will be coded on the Wiki and the podcast will be in the form of an .ogg file. The magazine will contain a cover, contents page, summary of what's been happening in KHWiki.com for the past three months, summary of what's been happening in The Keyhole for the past three months, KH news report and a page with a link to the podcast with perhaps a summary. The magazine's focus will be the community and interactive pages. The podcast will contain a KH news report, Wiki news report and fan discussions (e.g. theories, explanations, speculation etc.) Side note: The topic of time travel will be a lengthy talk! We still have yet to decide a number of things however! Here's what we need to figure out: For the magazine: What pages should we have? Who can write the coding? For the podcast: What other bits can it have? How long should it be? Who can take part in making it? So let's discuss!

Magazine Discussion

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Please sign your name under your desired post along with a quick summary of what you will do for the page. Note: The users in control of these posts will likely alternate after each issue (except perhaps the executive editor and coder). Also, multiple editors may share one post and one user can have multiple posts so don't feel put off when someone else already signed up for a post you wanted. Maybe your ideas can be merged or your idea can be done next time!

• Executive Editor: Oversees the entire process, available to help users writing the articles if needed, and hosts the mailbag.

• News Reporters: Writes news for Wikis and KH.
  • Cause I handle the Journal on the wikia, I can also write up the news section for the KH series. FINALREST 14:50, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

• Coders: Runs the template and ensures it is working correctly.
  • I can make the main coding and the variables for putting the content. I can also help the other editors formatting the topics as they want. E.G.: changing text and background color, adding margins, borders and things like that
  • KeybladeSpyMaster

• Special Editor: Writes the Special Editor Page.

• Wiki Helpers:' Writes the Dive to the Heart.
  • The several types of links: [[One]] [Two] and {{Three}} TheFifteenthMember

• Interviewers: Writes up the Round Room and perhaps user interviews for the User Page.

• Reviewer: Writes a review and "Top 5 List" for the User Page.
  • I'd like to just do the Top 5 list (best magic commands in Re:coded). TheFifteenthMember

• Puzzlers: Makes the Game Grid.

• Artists: Draws the front cover and a piece of fanart for Namine's Sketchbook.

• Proof Reader: Double checks all other pieces.

Discussion

TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC) Here's the pages I think we should keep for the magazine, aside from the cover, contents, and three news pages (one for KH, two for both Wikis). Note that I don't think the magazine should include Featured Articles since they have their own dedicated sections on the Wiki anyway. Special Editor Page: Topic and writer changes entirely from issue to issue (e.g. in one edition it could be a theory while in another, it could be an analysis of all Sora's costumes) FinalRest came up with this idea. Dive to the Heart: FinalRest came up with an idea of a game tutorial and a wiki tutorial, however considering we have a Wiki's worth of information (and we even have walkthroughs now!) the game tutorial will be pointless. We should probably focus on the wiki tutorial (e.g. customising talk bubbles or different ways of linking) Round Room: FinalRest's idea of a staff roundtable with quotations and dialogue between staff. What conversation topics could we have, though? User Page (unnamed): FR's idea. It will contain a user interview (about what, we need to figure out), top 5 list (e.g. top five magic commands) and a review, which doesn't always have to be about games. We have other topics too like mangas, battle abilities and gameplay mechanics. The Game Grid: FR's idea: place for puzzles and riddles. I think we could perhaps host competitions around them and give out accolades to the winner. Interactive Page: FR's idea: it would have a mailbag and FR also had ideas of "5 tasks for khwiki.com", "5 tasks for the Keyhole" and "5 tasks for KH games". I don't entirely understand what those would be so perhaps we should replace it with a poll. So what do you think guys? We need everyone's opinions and ideas so this project doesn't die out again!

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 07:51 PM Sat, April 12, 2014 MST I think for the Interactive Page, FR might have meant 5 tasks that we want users to do for the KHWiki, 5 tasks needed for the Keyhole, and 5 challenges to do in "X" game(s), where X is any or many of the Kingdom Hearts games. By the way, just thought we should have an area for people to sign-up for the magazine.

Final Chain - "Good tidings friends..." TALK - "...and a happy new year!" - Chainoffire 03:46, 13 April 2014 (UTC) I was wondering what happened to this project. Maybe we could have a page (or fit somewhere on the page) with a user's fanart. (KH-universe related of course.) There would have to be a few rules in place, but if someone wants to submit a drawing of Sora or something, there could be a user that would take submissions through email, and put it in the appropriate dedicated section. We could have a section that advertises The Mirage arena and The Underdrome, like "This weeks fights" and they could like to the arenas. "The magazine will be coded on the Wiki and the podcast will be in the form of an .ogg file." By "the wiki" are you referring to khwiki.com, The Keyhole, or both? "Who can write the coding?" Since the main structure is pretty much completed (from what I can tell) Different users can edit different pages. Perhaps a sign up list is in order if there isn't one already? (I feel like we did do this, but I can't remember ._.) This was going to be released bimonthly correct? I think that once things get going, this should be put on the site notice at the top of every page? Why isn't this stickied? This seems rather important from what I can see.

Okay, I've got up with some ideas: first, what about the user page being called, "The Keyblade Master" or something like that? Mirage Arena and Underdrome current battles will be held at the same pages of their news. And that's it for now :) - MateusinhoEX 13:16, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 13:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC) A fanart page sounds good ("Namine's Sketchbook" would be the obvious title) since readers can make requests through the mailbag. We could have a section for the Mirage Arena and Underdrome but considering each issue will be released after three month, we'll need a tournament bracket to fill in the last three months and then a "This week's fight" for the next upcoming ones. About having the "5 tasks", I don't think we need them as projects sounds like something that should go in the wiki summary of what's been happening in the past three months. "The Keyblade Master" sounds great. I'm not sure what wiki will host the magazine yet. Which Wiki already gets more visitors? I think the one with less visitors should host it so that more traffic can come its way, as long as the Wiki with more visitors advertises and links to the magazine on the main page. Also, the initial plan was it was going to be released bimonthly but in a roundtable we decided to have it every quarter year. That way, the news sections have a chance to be more fleshed out and we have more time to actually write the thing. In other words, we favoured four issues that had oompth, in a year, rather than six slightly lackluster ones. This thread could be stickied and site noticed but we need an admin for that (*hint hint*) :P In other news, I added a list of posts we'll need to be more specific since a general sign-up list usually doesn't go well as people don't know what their individual job is. People should change posts each issue to keep things fresh. I also thought of an idea for the puzzle/riddle competition. What we could do is make the readers email their answers through the mailbag and then, we'll get all the names of the people who were correct and give them accolades for their user pages. The interesting part is we pick one of the names out of a hat (or in the internet's case, a random name generator) and give them the "golden" prize, which is having their name featured on the next magazine issue. Thoughts? EDIT: To ensure this project doesn't die out again, here's the list of pages we'll need for the magazine: Cover Contents Podcast link + summary. "Trinity Archives" (KH News Report) "Unlocking the Keyhole "(The Keyhole Report) "The Door to Light" (KHWiki.com Report) Mirage Arena and Underdrome tournament brackets and "This week's fight" "The Keyblade Master" (Special Editor Page) "Dive to the Heart" (Wiki tutorial) "Round Room" (dialogue between staff) "Mark of Mastery" (User interview, top 5 list and review) "Naminé's Sketchbook" (Fanart) "The Game Grid" (Puzzle/Riddle) "Interactive Page" (mailbag and poll) still nameless. At this moment, we've already worked out the magazine's skeleton. We now need an updated template and we should start writing the actual content (I'm writing mine in my userspace). Remember to add your names to the sign-up above!

TheFifteenthMember I hope it's slow and painful; the elation I get from such kills is unmatched by anything, yeeeess... Just thinking about it makes me... oohhh... — TheFifteenthMember 22:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC) Update: I've written a draft for the wiki guide and top 5 list here. Keep in mind that the wiki guide will probably look much nicer with breaks and things to make stuff actually look like code. How is it?

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 06:25 PM Wed, April 16, 2014 MST Well, I was hoping we could have the magazine hosted on the Keyhole, since it seems to be the one without much traffic nowadays. However, it's seeming like few are interested (Only Chain has come to make any contribution, and I'm sure he's not the only one there). Concerning the code, what else needs to be done? MEX seems to have done basically everything, all that's needed is the actual content, from my perspective. What's a mailbag? Sorry if that's a stupid question, but I don't get it from context. Things have sure slowed down since the Roundtable, haven't they? We need to bring this to more people's attention before it dries up again.

Chainoffire - "Hey, wait... I'm enjoying this. You guys are something else!" TALK - :) Chainoffire 05:46, 17 April 2014 (UTC) I have brought this up with a few users at the Keyhole, I'll let you know what they say when they get back to me. Why can't we have it on both sites? A mailbag is where people send in questions, and we answer them publicly. How else can we bring this to more people's attention?

FinalRest - "I floop the pig!" TALK - 14:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC) Hullo! I'm excited the magazine idea is up and running again. ^_^ Although I'm a bit reluctant to sign up for things, because I don't want to stick my name on things I won't be able to follow through on. :S But anyway, for clarification, the 5 tasks for the interactive page are pretty much a way to trick people into editing. 5 small tasks that need doing around both wikis so people can maybe set it as a goal to do everything on the tasks list. Then the game tasks are to stop that section from being all business. :) For hosting, why not host on both sites? Also, although I'm not sure I have the time to write articles, I'd be more than happy to proof read articles and add them into the templates. Where should I sign my name to do that?

TheFifteenthMember Ignoring how these caterpillars uttered what they're trying to say, I do agree. — TheFifteenthMember 20:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC) Okay, we could definitely host it on both sites! There's quite a bit of code left to do, considering we've reskinned the project and modified parts. Also, I still think the "game tasks" isn't a good idea because I doubt anyone will appreciate us telling them what to do in a game. Really, most people have played their KH games already, so unless anyone can think of some good ones, the challenges will be a rather useless space. If we do that, the "only business" element would've went so we could move the tasks to the relevant Wiki report pages. Question: Can someone elaborate on the Round Room and user interview ideas? What sorts of things could we do? Also, I'd like to remind everyone that we shouldn't bite off more than we can chew. We'll need to be writing quite a few articles later on so I'm hoping everyone is thinking of ideas. I'm afraid the "Sign-Up" sheet is putting people off so I think I'll restructure it in a way that people can post their ideas/drafts for each page and then the writers can take it from there. Hopefully, that doesn't force editors to have a massive commitment but still lets them contribute at some level, which is better than nothing. That'd be needed to write every issue so we probably need a page in the "KHWiki:" space, like the Votes for Featured Media. We need a place where both Keyhole and '.com users can discuss together, though. On a final note: If we're releasing each issue after every three months, we'll need to divide the year into quarters. The simplest way to do that is releasing an issue on every January, April, July and October. Considering E3 is mid-June, I'm hoping our first issue will be ready for the coming July and that leaves us over two months. If we spend the first month going over formats and writing the magazine template, we can start writing content and recording the podcast in the second month. Do you guys think that's an achievable target?

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Discussion

TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC) Discuss!

Chainoffire - "Hey, wait... I'm enjoying this. You guys are something else!" TALK - :) Chainoffire 04:31, 13 April 2014 (UTC) "How long should it be?" I'd say no more than an hour and a half, any longer than that then people would lose interest. "Who can take part in making it?" I'd say we have no more than 5 people per podcast, but if we get a lot of people sign up, then we could rotate the people in each podcast based on availability and/or interest of topic. Would the be hosted over Skype, G+, or some other program?

TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 13:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC) Five people per podcast sounds okay but the problem will be getting enough people to sign up! I'm not sure what program it would be hosted over; that's probably something all the people who sign up should decide afterwards. Also, I remember Chaser saying he was interested in doing visuals for the podcast so we could release a version on our YouTube channel too (or even replace the .ogg with it).

5 people is too much of a cluster to do, even with visuals going on (also, I'm too lazy to edit that much visuals), especially with audio-only podcast. Most podcast are done with 3/4 people so that its easier to hear whats being said. UnknownCheisā ^{—— Is the fish dead?} 16:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Alright, but so far we only have one person able to do the podcast. Anyone else who can do it? TheFifteenthMember 16:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Visually speaking (depending on how lazy I'm gonna be when I edit this), and using me, FM, Ek, and Cof as example and that me and Cof are the one that are currently speaking, the podcast visual should look something like this. UnknownCheisā ^{—— Is the fish dead?} 17:09, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Would it be possible to have the names besides each wavelength so that the viewer can match name-to-voice easier? TheFifteenthMember 19:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Over the IRC, UC explained to me that doing the visuals would take a lot of work since you'd be listening to the podcast for half an hour, figuring out who's speaking at each second and animating their wavelength. I think we should plan a podcast, record it and see how tedious it is to make the visual. TheFifteenthMember 09:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Another idea is to have the pictures on the side next to the wavelengths so it's a bit clearer. Not sure what'd happen to the logo though. Chainoffire 03:26, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Typing ":" over and over is getting to be a pain ಠ_ಠ Also I did do another layout for the podacast thats more easier to understand. Also, also Cof to answer your question about G+ vs Skype. G+ will record your hangout and make it ready for upload, but you cant edit the video. While with Skype you would have to edit the thing and upload it. UnknownCheisā ^{—— Is the fish dead?} 17:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)