These weapons are treated functionally as Keyblades, with the whole Gear access or card access thing, but are in some way transformed. Do we want to consider these Keyblades or proto-Keyblades? Or just not mention them here?GloriousCHAOS! 20:33, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
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I am personally thinking yes to the umbrella but no to soul eater and dream sword
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The Soul Eater, the Umbrella, the Dream Sword(thought I'm not sure about this one) and the Wooden Stick can release hearts so i think that they should be considered Keyblades or at least proto-keyblades
The Dream Sword never releases hearts, especially since it is never used against an Emblem Heartless. If you're counting Mission Mode, everything releases hearts, even though it's non-canonical.GloriousCHAOS! 09:52, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, but the other three can release hearts so they must be Keyblades somehow--Xabryn 21:17, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
The Wooden Sword in KH1 does not release hearts, as far as I know. The Wooden Stick does because Xion is using the Keyblade next to him. Also, when does the Soul Eater release hearts? If it does, then Nomura made quite a mess in 358/2 Days.GloriousCHAOS! 09:32, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
First off, in Mission Mode, if you're not using Roxas, Xion, Riku, Mickey, or Sora, defeating Emblem Heartless releases colorless hearts, which I assume signifies that the hearts aren't collected. Having said that, Days does not distinguish between individual weapons, only characters. I will check someone's vids of ReCoM R/R to see if Soul Eater releases hearts, but I would not include it, or Dream Sword. --Neumannz 16:57, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
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The Soul eater realease heart in Re:CoM i've tested it myself(though it is pretty fast you hardly can see it), Xion's magics never released a heart even though she was close to Roxas with his keyblade and i never mentioned the wooden sword EDIT 23:21, April 21, 2010 (UTC):You're right about the Wooden Stick it happen with Donald and Goofy in KH and KH2(I'm not sure about other partners) but the Sol Eater still can release hearts in Re:CoM and there is no keyblade next to Riku so it should be considered a Keyblade, right? Edit19:35, May 2, 2010 (UTC):Okay now I'm positive about the Soul Eater it don't happen only in Re:CoM it happens in KH2 too during the battle in land of dragons when he defeat a heartless a heart comes out
Is it a grey heart or a pink heart?GloriousCHAOS! 22:08, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
Pink in both games, the same color of the heart that leaves when Sora defeat a heartless--Xabryn 22:58, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
So should we add the soul eater to the list or at least mention something about it in a article?Xabryn20:40, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
It has been some time and yet there was no answer...--Xabryn 18:34, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
As far as Sora's Wooden Sword in KH1 is concerned, it is hard to tell. I think that if anyone was brazen enough to actually try it, it may actually work, but as I haven't tried it, I can't say for sure. Since the Wooden Sword in Hallow Bastion can come into contact with the Heartless, I like to assume that it can remove hearts as well. However, the strength of the Wooden Sword is so minuscule that it would be very difficult to attempt this maneuver to clarify, especially with the powerful Heartless that run rampant in Hallow Bastion. KyrianXVII 03:27, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
I could try it but it would take some time since all of my saves are after that, but I was talking about the Soul Eater it can release hearts in KH Re:CoM, KH2 and KH 358/2 Days--Xabryn 18:50, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
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Where we found the descriptions of the itens in this page: Kingdom_Hearts_Mobile/Items#Tools? because according to the Soul Eater description it is a Keyblade
First Adult Key bearer
KyrianXVII - Riku? I defeated a Riku once... TALK - {{{time}}}
I don't know if anyone has ever thought of this before: who's the first adult in the series to wield a keyblade as a part of video game scenes? Someone would say Leon for the three seconds he held Sora's Kingdom Key in KH1. Others would consider Master Yen Sid because he may be the oldest person to use a Keyblade. But I don't consider them due to Leon not having his own Keyblade and Yen Sid never uses his Keyblade. It's between Masters Eraqus and Xehanort. But I don't know which it would be, because I've never seen or played Birth By Sleep. Does anyone have an idea?
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i'm not sure but i have to ask, does it really matter for anything? dont mean to be rude, but...
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I'm going to be honest (and I'm not insulted by the question: it's a good one) here, but there may be no good reason. I just wanted to know. It strikes me strange that all of the Keybearers in the series are teenagers and children: now all of a sudden three are adults and two are still active? It's a nice trivia thing to put down on a page if someone finds out too.
Master Terra
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I know Xehanort only promoted him in order to get on his good side and to further his own ends, but he is a Master so i guess he did have the authority... just food for thought
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"The Keyblade succession can only be performed by a Keyblade Master, but we see Terra performing this rite with Riku - does this mean we can consider Terra a Keyblade Master?
Nomura: No. Terra was not awarded that title by his Master Eraqus, so no matter how Master Xehanort flatters him he is not a Keyblade Master. But that's just a matter of whether or not he's achieved the official title. Even Eraqus recognised that Terra possessed suitable power to be a Master, which is why he was able to perform the rite for Riku."
As you just saw Nomura stated that he isn't a keyblade master
Concerns
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okay two thoughts i hadfor this 1)Should we add Vanitas's Lingering Spirit since we have the Lingering Spirit and 2)should we put master xehanort's keyblade due to terra-xehanort like we have the x-blade under ventus due to ventus-vanitas
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1) Look at the expand Template in the top of the page 2) I don't think that we should since we already have a section for Terra-Xehanort
Fake Keyblade Wielders
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Okay, some of the Keyblade weilders should be under that section; Xion: Riku call her Keyblade a sham and she is made of memories making her a fake, Lingering Sentiment: He is made of Thoughts and feeling just like VR so if VR is there LS should be there too, Data Sora: he is made of data and so is his Keyblade at least the first one, I'm not sure if he should be there but maybe he should. When I tryed to add Xion to it Maggosh removed it so I'm starting a discussion to see if we're going to add them or not
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Can I please ask where it is stated Vanitas Remnant is a fake Keyblade wielder? It uses Void Gear, a very real Keyblade that you then get yourself. So why is it called "fake"?
"If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else."
._. A cutscene. You're basing her entire status as a Keyblade wielder on a cutscene.
Falcos: I'll have to agree.
KrytenKoro - Most bears were content to live their lives, mauling and eating one, maybe two humans at most. "Mass-murder," as the bears always said, "is for the sharks." But not Barry. Barry was different. He knew that one day, he would kill ALL of the humans. This is the inspiring, tear-jerking story of one bear and the dream he dared to dream. TALK -
You get the Void Gear keychain, not the Keyblade itself; similar to the MF and the No Name. For its own Keyblade, I think we are operating off the assumption that it is similar to an AS (same portal, same remnant qualities), and so it is not a Keyblade wielder, but the remnant of Vanitas's power taking the form of a Keyblade and its wielder.
Then again, we might have misunderstood Demyx's AS explanation (I don't think I've ever actually seen it, myself), so yeah. Depending on how that was explained, the VR could be completely legitimate.
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So, what... Is it or isn't it? I'm confused as to whether something was decided in that.
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Yeah. If that translation is reliable (and the others I've seen there appear to be), then they're pretty much saying that the AS is the abandoned weapon. VR very strongly seems to be an Unversed version of an AS, which would mean that he is the Void Gear itself.GloriousCHAOS! 15:44, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
Zexion
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Looks like the Soul Eater was a Keyblade after all and Zexion wield a fake Soul Eater as well as a fake Kingdom Key and for that reason I ask: should we consider Zexion as "Fake Keyblade Wielder"?
Only if we would count him for masquerading as Sora, and if we count the Mimic Master's pages, too. And AntiSora and Sora-Heartless.(ಠ_ೃ)Bully! 18:14, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
They're all technically copy of the Keyblade making them fake keyblade but in that case shouldn't we count Anti-Riku too?--Xabryn 18:19, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
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Forget that I mentioned Anti Riku I forgot that he is just a recolor of Riku but the others are all canon so we should probably mention them
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So are we going to continue this or are we simply going to ignore like we did in the last months?
the fake keyblade wielders r the no heart,armor of da master and vanitas remnant
Go ahead and draft up short sections for each character wielding a copy Keyblade. Make sure the sections focus on them as a wielder, not them in general.
Lingering Sentiment
If Vanitas' Remnant is a fake keyblade wielder then the LS should be too, as they are practicly the same. The lost thoughts of Terra. --{{subst:User:Secret agent clank/sig}} 17:36, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
UnknownChaser 18:04, September 22, 2010 (UTC) hmm i dont think so,cus VR is created from Vanitas emotion or something, while LS was created from Terra himself, cus the LS was born from Terra amor and wield his old keyblade, while VR is created from nothing. hmmmmm,im confuse now lolz
Ok but VR also has Vanitas his Keyblade, so this is I think a discussion worthy. --{{subst:User:Secret agent clank/sig}} 04:36, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
The supposition is that he doesn't actually wield the Keyblade, he IS the Keyblade, like with the Absent Silhouettes.GloriousCHAOS! 12:58, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
Sora
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Isn't Sora a Keyblade Master too? He is called by everyone in the game a Keyblade Master.
Edgeshadow - You have to be strong. TALK - Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of times. 13:55, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
He is not a true keyblade master yet, Because he hasn't taken the Mark of Mastery yet.
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Ok, but he can't get it anywhere. The only place we know is the Land of Departure but it is ruined.
...do you mean, that thing is a Keyblade? 17master 13:02, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
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It shouldn't be listed as a Keyblade, because it doesn't have any special abilities. It's a fake Keyblade.
That's why the Fake Keyblade Wielder section exist but since Terra and Ventus also wield other keyblades that are real so we would have to add it to their sections just like with Data Sora's Data Kingdom Key--Xabryn 14:24, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
Well, the other Fake Keyblades are magical replicas. This is simply a wooden toy. If we don't want to consider it an actual Keyblade, then the Wooden Keyblade should be on the Weapons page, like it is currently.
For the other part of the question, should we add Vanitas as a wielder of it?(ಠ_ೃ)Bully! 14:36, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
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Yes, even though he only wielded it a few moments, he wielded it. So we should say it. If people do not agree please say so then we can put it in the trivia section.
That is not wielding. It is picking up and waving around. Granted, that's really just a connotative difference, but that's enough for me. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 16:17, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
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No, you're right. He didn't use it put only waved it around like you said.
If we consider Vanitas a wielder of it shouldn't we cosider Lea too since he "wield" it--Xabryn 17:27, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
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Yes, we should. But we still should decide if that is wielding.
How about we define wielding as "You have to hurt somebody with it"?
Or, to make it less lame-sounding, "You have to use it as a weapon". --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 19:17, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
So, are we all agreed? Vanitas was a Toucher, not a wielder.(ಠ_ೃ)Bully! 19:24, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
I always thought he was a "toucher"... 9_9 --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 19:52, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
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Ok, and then Lea is just a toucher too right?
Sweet jeebus.(ಠ_ೃ)Bully! 14:21, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
Can we please stop saying toucher it sound too wierd, but yes Lea's a guys who touched the Wooden Keyblade--Xabryn 14:01, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
Here's the thing, though, is there anything that says that it is the same as LS, or are we just guessing?--ShadowsTwilight 01:11, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
ST, the name is an immediate statement that it is. "Armor of the Master". Erry 03:25, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
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Can someone please show me the proof that Yen Sid ever wielded Star Seeker? and before somebody says it(because I have a strong feeling that someone will) the fact that both Sora and Mickey got the keychain from his tower is not proof that he ever wielded it himself
Well, Mickey does return Starseeker to Yen Sid, and Yen Sid handles it as he hands it back. I don't believe there is any strict proof that he uses it (as in a video or picture of him wielding it in battle), but since we know he's a master and that's the keychain that is generally linked to him, it's assumed that it's his.
But I know that's not the answer you wanted. So no, there is no canon proof. It's just an educated guess.
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I understand the logic that would lead one to assume that it's his, that i don't have a problem with. What I want to know is why it says so on the page, I'd delete it myself, but whenever i try it just screws up the whole thing
Okay, I'm the one who posted the pic, and here is my theory: Mickey had to wield the Kingdom Key (silver) when he first became Yen Sid's apprentice. Yen Sid said he had given up his keyblade and Mickey ended up taking it before he left the tower. If he "took it" from Yen Sid then that means Yen Sid had to have "owned it" in the first place. --Jacobmirror 16:18, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
No, Mickey went to find the Kingdom Key D during KH1. Before that, he wielded Star Seeker.
Cleanup
Fakes
[18:54] <Krytenkoro> since they will necessarily have only 1 (2 for Zexion only) Keyblades, and very little text, it might be worth it to merge all of the sections into prose
[18:54] <Krytenkoro> Honestly, Genie is the only one that isn't copying his Keyblade directly from someone else
[18:55] <Krytenkoro> Like, a few paragraphs actively discussing fake keyblades, covering who has used them and why, and then galleries of the wielders and the fakes
Everyone else
The design of individual Keyblades should not be discussed. Broad themes (such as Aqua's wetness) are okay, however.
The sections should focus on the character's actual Keyblade - how they got it, it's powers, etc., as well as what the character does in their role as a wielder.
We should include the Graveyard Keyblades in the list of Keyblades used by Vanitas, since he does ride on them in battle against you and is able to control them, seeing as how he steers them around during the battle and also causes them to crash into terra when he is not using controlling them.--124.169.121.154 04:42, 29 April 2012 (UTC)#
Hmm, maybe we should remove them altogether, the just seem to be inanimate objects and are summoned like elemental spells. --ShardofTruth 05:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
But they are Keyblades that are used by characters, such as Vanitas and Xehanort/No Heart
But these Keyblades are used only as projectiles as part of a spell. Also Vanitas and Master Xehanort may not control them directly, just use a wind spell or something to form a storm out of them. No Heart is the only one that actually summons them if I remember correctly. That being said I don't see a problem adding them to all three characters. --ShardofTruth 17:17, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
We'll do that then.--124.169.121.154 08:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Ultima Cannon-Ends of the Earth
Sometimes Terranort will use the Ultima Cannon and when he does, his keyblade turns into the Ends of the Earth, should we include it under his keyblades. Also since we inc;ude Terranort, we should also include Venitas.--124.169.121.154 13:03, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Riku Replica
We should iclude Riku Replica in the fake wielders section, since he wields Soul Eater (which is a half-keyblade).--124.148.205.68 10:52, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
With revelation that Young Xehanort was only able to wield the keyblade while he was being controlled by Master Xehanort shouldn't he be listed as a fake keybearer until he display's the ability to summon it on his own.
"Fake Keyblade Wielder" is for those who wield fake Keyblades. Young Xehanort wielded a completely real one, it just wasn't his (or more accurately, Master Xehanort used Young Xehanort's "body" to wield it, much like Ansem used Riku's body for the KoPH).
Thanks for the clarificationMaguma 12:57, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I thought that all the Xehanorts were mentally linked.
Soul Eater
Sould the Soul Eater really be list here since it really a sword? User:Mew661 (talk) 19:04, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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Xabryn
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No, Mickey went to find the Kingdom Key D during KH1. Before that, he wielded Star Seeker.