KHWiki talk:Chat

Rules rewrite proposal

Please take a look at this. I believe it is easier to read and more concise than the current rules section. I would appreciate your comments or edits. Thanks!Glorious CHAOS! 02:45, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Problem

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? I think there might be something wrong with the IRC. Everytime I go to the link, it's just a blank page! I don't know if everyone is having this problem, or if it's just me, but I'd really like to get back on! Could someone help me fix it?

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} it's not just with you the same thing is happening to me

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Well at least we know we're not the only ones. I hope it can be fixed soon...

This is just a five min. log in, but I digress. I used to have the same problem with the IRC. Whenever you log into the IRC and join the KH Wiki channel if the page is still blank do this: Look at the top of the screen (near the url "address" bar), to the right of that bar you will see the refresh button and the stop button. Check that area again, this time there might be an image of a piece of paper cut in half (that is the compatability button. Its purpose is for to help websites designed for older browsers will often look better, problems such as out-of-place menus, images, or text will be corrected). Click on that button and refresh the page; you should be able to log in again. Once I clicked on that button, I was able to log into the IRC channel. If this doesn't work, then don't log into the IRC channel for a few days. After a day or so has passed, attempt to log back in. Finally, if that doesn't work, I can check to see if you were banned (which I seriously doubt). Xion4ever Promise... — 15:49, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Xion, you're a genius, thank you!!!

Dan - My friends are my power! — 19:35, February 12, 2010 (UTC) It won't work with me =( The page refuses to load on Google Chrome, and on Internet Explorer, it won't let me send any messages... I'll try restarting my computer... EDIT: 19:43, February 12, 2010 (UTC) Okay, It's working on Internet Explorer now, but not on Chrome.

@ Nitrous: Your too kind. Did that fix your IRC problem? @Dan: Try one/both of the ideas in my previous message. If they don't work, message me on my talkpage and I'll see whats up. Xion4ever All the world's a joke! — 01:14, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry ^_^

I beg your pardon for the last comment I left... I meant "He may have left the wiki, but he's still an op" Sorry about that ^_^ Dan - IS KING OF THE PLATYPI!!! 21:52, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Problem

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Recently, dated March 27, videos were linked to the mainspace entitled "Goosh Goosh". To those who have not seen it... it is basically hentei (anime porn) censored enough to be on youtube... bloody hentei. There was a large argument about the matter. Basically, it all boiled down to "This kind of thing should not be allowed". Because there is no rule concerning the matter, I would like to ask the admins (or ops) to add this rule, for the following reason: Although the Freenode Rules do not allow children under 13 years of age, there are still, nonetheless, children on the IRC, and what is basically porn should not be allowed to be posted on the mainspace. Although one of the videos did have an "over 18" tag on it, the other did not, and even so, some youtubers fake their age to be able to see vids with the tag, and some users do that, and are able to see it. Several Users complained on the matter. This should not be allowed Either we have a video ban policy, or a policy specifically banning videos like that. Honestly, why was this never brought up before? If one would like a copy of the conversation, I can post it, as I have saved the "discussion" for future viewing.

i have been reading it and i think we need a rule.ZACH 05:01, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Here is the conversation, for reference: page 1 page 2 page 3 page 4 page 5 page 6

Kingdom Hearts is G-rated ; videos should be G-rated, or at the most, PG-13. I wouldn't even bloody dare to put on Mylene Farmer's Je te rends ton amour for obvious reasons. Unless, of course, I'm in a separate channel and I know for a fact that the people whom I'm speaking to are above 18 years of age (Blue and BebopKate, for example). EDIT 03:34, March 29, 2010 (UTC) : Forgot to add on something : Freenode's rules are Freenode's rules, but remember that on KHW's IRC channel, we're using the rules from KHW, and thus, kids are entitled to get onto the IRC. Many people would want to discuss KH or things which have about the same feel, and please, no suggestive themes, particularly if you're on the main channel or speaking to kids. Be family-friendly. Though you might also want to see my statement on the separate channel above. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 01:58, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...03:59, March 29, 2010 (UTC) I'm pretty sure that it's well-known to most everyone, including the people involved in the chat, that anything posted should be PG rated at most; honestly, given my experience, PG-13 covers some pretty broad ground, including some stuff I would definitely not feel comfortable showing to kids. I hesitate to ban video links exclusively because most people manage to post videos well within standards. I don't think users who follow the rules should be punished because a couple of others used poor judgment. For any ops or others who were there, were any actions taken against the users other than booting them?

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 04:08, March 29, 2010 (UTC) I do believe the video was posted by an op. As for the other op on the channel, I don't believe they took any action at all.

From the discussion, it seems that the op was involved, though I'm not sure (I'm not going to be on the IRC till after May 13th). Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 04:22, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 04:27, March 29, 2010 (UTC) He was alerted, but I'm not sure if he did anything about the situation. I don't quite remember the conversation. There was a lot of things being said in succession.

LA linked to it, didn't he ? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 04:36, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 04:37, March 29, 2010 (UTC) I am too lazy to read through it again. ._.

Bah, I understand. The discussion's now made public ; to all who have yet to comment, please take a good look at it first. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 04:41, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. I must say, I agree with what's been going on here. Video and picture links should be PG at most, there are all ages on the IRC. To clarify, there was an op there, and he posted the non-blocked video, meanwhile, another user (who admitted to being 14) posted the video blocked for viewers under 18. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking to punish the op, we just need an actual rule enforced, not just common sense.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Okay... BebopKate posted the rule, but DTN took it down. Um, Why? Seriously, it's a needed rule and it was clear and well written. What's the big idea?

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 19:29, March 29, 2010 (UTC)   He didn't take it down, he moved it to the end of the list.

Dan - My friends are my power! — 19:33, March 29, 2010 (UTC) Edit conflict: DTN didn't take it down, he just moved it to the end of the list. ^_^ Anyway, I agree, we do need this rule, and it needs to be implemented as soon as possible.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Oh, I guess I didn't see that. It's done then! ^_^

About time. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 23:54, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

where do i go to chat about non kingdom hearts related things

--Keyhole15 00:36, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

The IRC channel, of course. Wasn't that obvious?--NinjaSheik 00:37, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, on the IRC, it's not like we talk about Kingdom Hearts all the time. We have topics from Lady Gaga to Pokemon there. :P --LegoAlchemist 02:33, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

GAGA RO MA MA. Yes, this is true. Chat is not limited to Kingdom Hearts. --^DTN 22:21, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Failed Commands?

Eternal Nothingness XIII - But why? Help me understand, Master Xehanort. What is it that I have failed to learn? TALK - What? How did I— What did I do? What did YOU do? — 21:22, August 28, 2010 (UTC) Is it possible that some of the commands listed in the "common commands" section don't work? I specifcially refer to the ignore command, the only one I've tried only to fail. Perhaps it's just the way I write it, which is "/ignore ________"

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 21:24, August 28, 2010 (UTC) The ignore command can only ban a nick. Assuming that I know who you are trying to ignore, you will need to ban all variations of their nick as well. However, I completely am against using the ignore command, since it cuts off conections to other users who may need help, especially from a staffer.

Uh....

Okay. The IRC is saying that access is blocked, is anyone else having this difficulty? It just says: CGI:IRC access it currently blocked. Please try again later or use http://webchat.freenode.net/

hate

I hate the people on the irc.They mock me,look down on me,they will all pay.--The Dark Master 03:55, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, look, nobody was doing anything like that. As it looks like to me, you were being disruptive, you failed to heed to the warnings, and you got a ban. Look, it isn't the end of the world. It's just a chatroom. I know you're upset about your ban, but it will pass. I know how you feel. You're humiliated. I'm sorry about what happened to you. Let this be a lesson, okay? And don't hate the people on the IRC, because they certainly don't hate you. You seem like a good guy, Dark Master. Don't put this against us, because we won't put it against you.

I'll see you when your ban is over. Cheers~ --LegoAlchemist 04:18, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

I cannot shake the feeling that I somehow knew this was going to happen... This actually brings up a rather interesting topic: what should we do about bans on the new IRC off-Wikia? Retain all current bans, or wipe everyone clean? --^DTN 04:22, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

You knew someone would overreact to a one-week ban? No, you didn't. You're garnering Coor votes. :P I think we should give everyone a clean slate on the new Wiki channel. maggosh 04:28, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

I believe that the community is going to remain rather the same on the new IRC. So probably keep them banned. However, if we keep them on a shorter leash, it might be fair to give the users who were previously banned a second chance. --LegoAlchemist 04:29, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

I am shaking and so stressed I have not felt this bad in a long time.I feel like dirt.I was humilated.--The Dark Master 04:26, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

maggosh: Oh, I just meant that we would have more problems on the IRC. But that's rather irrelevant, since this IRC shall soon have its conditions altered once the new one is created. I'll start a new topic for my proposal. --^DTN 04:32, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal for managing the new IRC Channel

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 04:43, January 16, 2011 (UTC) Okay, I've been handling the work regarding the new IRC Channel for the off-Wikia wiki, which looks like it will be for SEIWA. I've acquired several new channels to my account, to be safeguarded in case we decide to use them. However, my plan also concerns this wiki's IRC, possibly its continued existence. Create #SEIWA-KHWiki for the new wiki. Kryten and I attempted to create #KHWiki, but that gets into some forms we have to fill out with freenode to claim ownership. If we decide on this, Kryten or I can handle the forms--they prefer for it to be filled out by an administrator of the party wishing to claim the channel. Consider forming ##khchat. Freenode has a few namespaces, just like wikis do. However, freenode just has two namespaces of channels: #channelspace and ##channelspace. Channels with just one hash are for official parties and businesses, whereas double-hash channels are for unofficial, lax, and relatively lesser groups. I have looked into the current state of #wikia-kingdomhearts and the way our neighbor wiki handles IRC channels, and have come to the conclusion we could benefit from: Forming two IRC channels--one is wiki-based, the other is social-based, but neither are totally restricted. Removing #wikia-kingdomhearts and instead using ##khchat for both wikis' social needs. #wikia-kingdomhearts currently is doing NOTHING GOOD to represent a professional wiki that is supposed to be an example of good work--however, that is not what the Wikia wiki will be in two weeks. So this could be blown off and ##khchat can just be forgotten. However, I do like the idea of ridding the channel, since this wiki has shown many instances of bad IRC issues and problems--just check the forums and IRC page's number of OP's. Perhaps it would be better to retain that level of social activity, but move it somewhere where it cannot badly reflect a wiki. So leave opinions below. Personally, I'm all for using #SEIWA-KHWiki. As for this wiki's IRC, either way is fine. I'm not so much for ##khchat possibly merging the social and professional wikis on a high level, though our communities will possibly stay conjoined.

LegoAlchemist DoctorReeves Medic! — "Strictly speaking, I'm not a doctor - I'm a clinical psychologist." "All I can tell about zis next procedure... is zat it will be excruciating!" IMO, I like #seiwa-kingdomhearts. It's sort of like #wikia-kingomhearts, only SEIWA-ifyed. As for the deletion of the current channel, I don't really think we should. After all, it's its own bar with its own community and noobs will gripe and moan about it being gone. So I say keep it, but since it's clearly an eyesore, don't advertise it so much. And not everyone there is horrid. I think two IRC channels, one for socialization and one for wiki-business is a good idea. Considering how much serious talk gets lost in the chaos... well, it might be a good idea.

Soxra - Surely you must've known that this was going to happen. Have something to say...? - Soxxeh 4:51am, January 16, 2011 (UTC) I'm in favor of #SEIWA-KingdomHearts, as long as it has stricter rules. A more lax channel like ##KHChat could be created to satisfy the lesser discussions. DitchGet rid of the current channel completely.

Azul81677 - "Ebil minds think ebily alike." - A collaboration between 2 very ebil minds TALK - 04:40, January 17, 2011 (UTC) I agree with LA. "Business" and "pleasure" must be separated. On the deletion of the current channel, it doesn't make a difference. The wiki will move and no longer be affiliated with that channel, so I guess it doesn't really matter. Remove it from the list and done.

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "Looks like you're prepared." "What is with you and picking up stray puppies?" — 19:38, January 17, 2011 (UTC) No. Just make #KHWiki and be done with the current channel. No need for two, but we do need some better management. Influence on Crono's Decision [19:40:05] <DoorToNothing> The only problem is that #KHWiki is owned by freenode [19:40:23] <SickCrono> Huh? Freenode "owns" channels? [19:40:26] <DoorToNothing> So Kryten or myself would have to fill out a large form to send in to freenode, wait for them to process it, and finally get it POSSIBLY. [19:40:28] <DoorToNothing> Yes. [19:40:36] <SickCrono> Oh. [19:40:38] <SickCrono> >.> [19:40:43] <SickCrono> Well, I still say we try for it. [19:40:48] <DoorToNothing> Ex: If I tried to /register the channel, it would say the channel is already owned by freenode. [19:40:52] <SickCrono> If you do it now, we may get it in time >> [19:41:06] <DoorToNothing> Also, your idea would mean both wikis share an IRC. [19:41:10] DoorToNothing no likey :{ [19:41:14] <SickCrono> :S I have seen the light. I'm with Soxra.

KingdomKeyDarkside - But then, when all hope had died, and the hour of doom seemed at hand... TALK - a young boy clothed in green appeared as if from nowhere. ~ 02:02, January 18, 2011 (UTC) I don't really see the value of having a second channel, to be honest. The serious conversations are few and far between anyway, and most of the issues are "Troll! Block him!" or "Should the page be like this or this?" which can easily just be brought up in a query with an admin or mod. #seiwa-kingdomhearts sounds good to me for a name, though.

Mega Sword-chucks Dr. Light's Lab Talk Page — I let the Mega-Buster do the talking. Sorry, am I too blue for you?— 06:57, January 26, 2011 (UTC) I say a second channel like ##khchat is a good idea. However, though, since we'll no longer be affiliated with #wikia-kingdomhearts, two channels will most likely be needed: one for the "main" stuff, another for the social. … Sounds like a pain, setting up user flags, channel flags and the like, but, personally, I feel this is a good idea.

You guys have pretty much covered everything I had in mind. I agree with Azul and DTN. Nice job, guys! Xion4ever Who am I? — 18:43, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Plan for the future

Sove Talk to Me! — "I dunno. I can't... just look inside. But I figure... If there is something in there - inside us - then we'd feel it, wouldn't we?" "No one would miss me." — 03:59, 27 April 2012 (UTC) <Sove> Most # channels I'm in have filed no grf <Sove> :p <Ttech> Sove, However to reclaim one, you need a grf-f and once GMS is finished, you will need a GRF to have one. <+dax> One of these days, we're going to enable enforcement of the primary namespace, and the sound of "I told you so" from staff is going to render the userbase deaf for weeks. <Sove> dax, and all # channels not having one will be dropped automatically? <PriceKid> My one # channel got dropped <PriceKid> I was planning to get a grf-f <+dax> Sove: We're still working out the details, but I don't imagine they'll make off-topic channels very happy. Basically this means that our channels are under a constant danger of being forcefully dropped. Since gaming is off-topic to Freenode, the GRF-f sent by Kryten was denied. While the threat of forceful drop seems to be pretty minor, it still exists and things won't go nice when they start to enforce the channel naming policy, if they haven't yet dropped the channels at that point. I think we should prepare a plan just in case the channel is forcefully dropped. We pretty much have three choices, if we'll need to move our channels. 1) Use #seiwa- prefix (eg. #seiwa-KHWiki). This had support before these present channels were registered (as you can see above). SEIWA is a registered group in Freenode and any channel under its namespace is protected from any possible forceful drop (except if I don't like the channel), and is considered an official channel in Freenode. 2) Use ##KHWiki- prefix. ## channels are for topical and reference channels, so I'm not entirely sure how Freenode's staff would feel about using it. Since these channels are considered unofficial in Freenode, it might have an impact on how readers see us. 3) Find another IRC network. I don't recommend this at all, it's just too complicated.

KrytenKoro - Pinocchio with his nose attached to the trigger of a rifle, which points at his face as he says, "I want to live!" TALK - How the heck exactly are we "off-topic" when wikia and all its babies are "on-topic"? How is SEIWA acceptable but not KHWiki? In any case, what would be the difficulty of switching networks? We could just register with rizon or something.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... I don't if I can be much help when I tell you guys this, but since I've at the OP Wiki, they seem to have a special page on their wiki where they can chat. It can be access using the new wiki skin, but since use monobook, I don't really know how it's done. They link me too it, and I've only been there a few times. If possible, maybe creating a special page on this wiki can act as replacement for the Chat for the IRC. Sorry if I wasn't much helped.

Sove Talk to Me! — "I dunno. I can't... just look inside. But I figure... If there is something in there - inside us - then we'd feel it, wouldn't we?" "No one would miss me." — 04:30, 27 April 2012 (UTC) Q: "How the heck exactly are we "off-topic" when wikia and all its babies are "on-topic"?" A: Wikia is not only about gaming or other subjects Freenode considers unofficial. Q: "How is SEIWA acceptable but not KHWiki?" A: Same thing as Wikia. While we only have gaming wikis there so far, SE has also released material considered on-topic. I wouldn't have managed to register the group if it was considered off-topic. Q: "In any case, what would be the difficulty of switching networks? We could just register with rizon or something." A: Not exactly the moving, but many of us are using other Freenode channels as well, such as #FFWiki and very many wikis we can possibly affliate with are also using Freenode. It's pretty much about convenience. @Ninja, you are talking about Wikia's WikiChat thing. We can't have that here since it's Wikia only. It's inferior to IRC in every aspect anyway. E: Looks like people are overreacting and bombarding dax with questions about this. Learn the difference between 'just in case' and 'now', please. I just had to explain the situation to him.

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 15:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC) Option #1 seems to be the best solution to the problem. I mean, we ARE part of SEIWA, and putting "SEIWA" in our channel's name won't bring any harm. Besides, by adding SEIWA in the channel's name we're also promoting it, possibly attracting new wikis to join the group. It's a win-win situation if you ask me.

Keyblade0 - I'm always the final boss in Kingdom Hearts, just like Eggman in Sonic games. TALK - ...only sexier. — 01:45, 28 April 2012 (UTC) The first option should appeal to many people, mainly it's the easiest option and most convenient option available. Plus, it'll also be considered an offical channel in Freenode. Freenode (hopefully) should leave us alone in peace if we go along with this option. The Second option is also convenient, but if it affects how other people see us in a negative way, then we shouldn't do it. Plus, they might drop the channel. The Third option is not convenient at all. The admins would have to go through the process of registering it, registering their nicks, etc for themselves and the channel. Us, too. Then comes the rule changes in the new network. (if there is any) First option is the best way to go.

XJR-9 - 7.0 V12, 750 BHP, 245 MPH, 394 laps, 3313 miles, 24 hours, 1 victory TALK - 21:30, 28 April 2012 (UTC) I agree that a channel in the #seiwa namespace is the best solution to this. We do not need to move immediately, but it would be sensible to have a contingency plan in place, and I feel that a channel in the #seiwa namespace would work well. Moving network is not advisable, as it would require a large amount of extra work, and, inevitably, not everyone would move across. freenode is quite unique amongst IRC networks in terms of its configuration and role; I still believe that it is the best network for us. I would suggest merging the Social and Noticeboard channels back into a single channel; having them separate really isn't necessary considering the size of our userbase, and I don't see it as being beneficial. The experimental -OPs channel can be dropped and not replaced. As I said, we do not need to move immediately. However, once we have decided on a name for the new channel, it may be sensible to set up a forward in the existing channels for a while so that all users attempting to join the old channels are automatically moved to the new channel, thus making a transition far easier. It would be necessary to do this before our current channels get dropped (still an if, not a when); a case of jumping before one may be pushed, if you will. It is quite easy for me or Sove to transfer all settings and options to a new channel, so it would function identically to the current channels, and the IRC page on this wiki can be easily updated. This really is not a problem, so please do not worry about it; there is absolutely no need.