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Welcome to the Mirage Arena Round 2 Archive.


Round 2, Week 7: Dearly Beloved (Kingdom Hearts II) VS Dearly Beloved (Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep)

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WINNER!
Dearly Beloved (Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep)
8 to 7 		The serene themes to the series' dark origin and climactic sequel. But which of these elegant tunes is more dearly beloved? WINNER!
Dearly Beloved (Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep)
8 to 7

Votes for Dearly Beloved (Kingdom Hearts II)

  1. I adore both versions, they're both beautiful. But KHII was the first game I got for the series, and this tune gets me every time.LapisLazuliScarab21:15, 30 April 2011 (EDT)
  2. Only because there was already too much violin in BBS. Chitalian8 00:46, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
  3. BbS version sounds too sad, this one sounds hopeful. Erry 04:41, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
  4. They're both awesome versions, bu the amount of violin in the BbS version makes it a lot sadder... Also, I'm learning to play this version on piano. Pawprintorange.png Dan - Don't Blink! ♫ Pawprintblue2.png 05:11, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
  5. I choose this, just because of my nostalgic memories of this soundtrack, if I played the game now I would be able to hum every tune, and just the memory of finishing this game and hearing that music makes me smile. Org13left.png Organization13 Org13right.png 06:43, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
  6. Toughie. But the BBS version is too sad, and one of my best friends recently found out a big sad secret and this reminds me of it. I'd rather look at the happiness before I lose it.   Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   17:31, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
  7. ^ See above reasons.--Xion4ever 18:21, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

Votes for Dearly Beloved (Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep)

  1. This version blows me away every time. I seriously think Shimomura cannot possibly do a better job. --File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 20:13, 30 April 2011 (EDT)
  2. BBS is my so favorite in the series and this theme is my 3rd favorite of the many version of the song (Re:coded DB is the 2nd and KH1 is my first). UnknownCheisā —— Red like Roses 21:32, 30 April 2011 (EDT)
  3. File:EtherRCO.PNG==Pea14733==File:AeroRCO.PNG 03:54, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
  4. I kinda like this one better. Meh. What mattered most   was remembered least 09:17, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
  5. Alludes at the melancholy events that will take place, before the game even starts. Beautiful foreshadowing. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 11:33, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
  6. This version is better than the past versions of this song.  ~TheTalkingKeyblade 
  7. fap fap fap --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono   21:35, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
  8. Oboe and violin features crit you for 9999 damage. --DTN   04:09, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

Keyblade Graveyard

0:18 - 0:20 epic cello solo.   Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   17:33, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

Wow. I didn't think this would be so close. --Item_2384.png AS IF! Item_2384.png 21:46, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

Crono just won the award for "last thing I expected to see in these votes".LapisLazuliScarab23:16, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

Crono better not get near my VGM collection Erry 20:01, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

Play both at the same time. It sounds fantastic. Light Roxas 22:54, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

Round 2, Week 6: End of the World vs. The World That Never Was

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WINNER!
The World That Never Was
8 to 6 		The final worlds in Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts II, representative of Heartless and Nobodies respectively. While one is very biologic and random in nature, the other is organized and (seemingly) man-made, representative of the qualities of Heartless and Nobodies. They are very different, and at the same time very similar. Which one will be the world of choice? WINNER!
The World That Never Was
8 to 6

Votes for End of the World

  1. Biology <3 --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono   18:23, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
  2. It's just so amazing, though the Heartless were quite annoying, the layout of this world is amazing. Not to mention the hidden part of Hollow Bastion. ALSO, not to mention that the picture itself plus the name creep you out beyond compare. Erry 18:33, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
  3. Way darker."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 10:18, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
  4. Successfully gives you the creeps even with the lights on at night; whilst TWTNW doesn't. TamboursNéant Ensemble ! 21:58, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
  5. Sucks that there wasn't as much story, but the music was better, there was Chernabog, heaps darker, more depressing. Wouldn't mind living there (yeah, I have issues.) TWTNW is just annoying boss fight after annoying boss fight after long cutscene after long cutscene.--Bananaphone1996 02:29, 30 April 2011 (EDT)
  6. Every area in TWTNW was collectively linear and similar to the last. Much better world here. --DTN   02:49, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

Votes for The World That Never Was

  1. Something about seeing Memory's Tower with Kingdom Hearts floating above it is just... chilling. --File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 17:44, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
  2. Couldn't see jack$#!7 in the big canyon in The End of the World, and no map made it even harder to navigate. Chitalian8 17:55, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
  3. Cool area names. File:EtherRCO.PNG==Pea14733==File:AeroRCO.PNG 19:23, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
  4. I just love the layout abnd general design of this world... and the names throughout have so much symbolism... KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 20:47, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
  5. Because this world just look bad ass. UnknownCheisā —— Red like Roses
  6. If the final battle between Riku and Sora really did happen in TEotW then I would reconsider my vote. What mattered most   was remembered least 10:47, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
  7. You gotta love this world. The music, climax of KHII, the battles...all awesome.  ~TheTalkingKeyblade 
  8. I agree 100% with As If! (PS it's Memory's Skyscraper)   Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   22:11, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

Keyblade Graveyard

Hm. Now that I think about it, it's kinda hard to decide which world gets my vote.  ~TheTalkingKeyblade 

Round 2, Week 5: Wheel Master vs. Symphony Master

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WINNER!
Symphony Master
9 to 3 		The sovereign of spindles, the wielder of wheels, encounters the master of music, the brawler of bands, in a battle of colossal proportions. Which one will survive this skirmish of Unversed? WINNER!
Symphony master
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Votes for Wheel Master

  1. Why did I have to pick a match that was so hard to decide on? I love both of these guys! Anyways, I suppose the Wheel Master gets my vote for introducing me to the epicness that is The Tumbling - EternalNothingnessXIII 11:59, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
  2. First Unversed revealed to the public, introduced The Tumbling, which has become my ringtone, and something about the way that the Symphony Master jerks around like that turns me off. Chitalian8 13:22, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
  3. This guy's lazer gave me some trouble. Symphony Mastah was waay too easy.   Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   13:40, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Votes for Symphony Master

  1. Because the Symphony Master is not only fought to The Tumbling, but conducts it!!! --File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 12:08, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
  2. Any Heartless that is a fellow percussionsit gets my vote. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 12:20, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
  3. Waaaaaay cooler. What mattered most   was remembered least 12:38, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
  4. Because the Symphony Master has an army of magical musical instruments to fight for him, because he a boss master, like that. UnknownCheisā —— Red like Roses
  5. An enemy making use of my favourite instrument? WIN. ^_^ TamboursNéant Ensemble ! 18:21, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
  6. Music must never offend the ear. - Mozart. --DTN   22:16, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
  7. What As If said. --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono   21:11, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
  8. Because Sympoony Master is one of my favorite Unversed Erry 10:36, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
  9. Only because he conducts to his battle music...--Xion4ever 18:10, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
  10. I agree with Xion 100%  ~TheTalkingKeyblade 

Keyblade Graveyard

@TI: The Symphony Master is an Unversed... --File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 12:35, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

I just realized Symphony Master has a baggy pants. Does Nomura have a baggy pants fetish or something? :/ What mattered most   was remembered least 12:48, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

@Asif - *facepalm* I failed...

@17master - Yes, yes he does. And a zipper fetish. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 09:29, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Many apologies for not being able to start this battle myself... My computer had to be formated. ^^ Today is the opposite day.

Round 2, Week 4:One-Winged Angel v Fenrir

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WINNER!
One-Winged Angel
6 to 5 		A battle of Keyblades with similar origins — Final Fantasy VII. They are substantially different, and represent Sephiroth and Cloud respectively. Which one will be the KHWiki's Keyblade of choice? WINNER!
One-Winged Angel
6 to 5

Votes for One-Winged Angel

  1. Sephiroth > Emo Cloud. <- Truefaxx. --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono   20:56, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
  2. Idk, it just looks cooler. --File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 20:59, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
  3. Because it's pretty epic-looking... Fenrir looks like a rip-off of Cloud's Buster Sword/First Tsurugi Erry 09:32, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
  4. This is probably one of the hardest decisions I've ever had to make for the Mirage Arena... However, Sephiroth totally tops Cloud on the epicness scale! - EternalNothingnessXIII 14:32, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
  5. I don't understand how you guys think this looks boring... especially in comparison to Fenrir. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 17:34, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
  6. AWESOME LOOKING! and cloud's band-aids are really annoying me.   Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   19:16, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

Votes for Fenrir

  1. I love that One-Winged Angel is one of the few actual blades, but this is the only actual key."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 23:49, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
  2. I, for one, think that One-Winged Angel's design is... Boring. They should've made the blade a black wing or something. Besides, Fenrir is a unique Keyblade, and is cool. What mattered most   was remembered least 06:08, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
  3. Dunno, I just don't think One-Winged Angel looks that good. It doesn't represent Sephiroth as much as Fenrir represents Cloud. Chitalian8 17:36, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
  4. I could actually get this keyblade--ShadowsTwilight  17:32, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
  5. Pin tumblr tumbler key! I'd like to see Sora seal a Keyhole with that! (In all honesty, this was a very tough choice.) TamboursNéant Ensemble ! 19:56, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

Keyblade Graveyard

@17master: Gee, a sword whose blade is a wing. why does that seem so familiar?   Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   19:17, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

Wait- that's a wing? I always thought it was a meteor. You know, like the one Sephiroth tried to crash into the planet? --File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 19:23, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

@CLC: Well.. I thought maybe One-Winged Angel could use Sephiroth's black angelic wing as the blade or something... @As If: It is a meteor, I think you're getting confused here XD What mattered most   was remembered least 12:44, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Round 2, Week 3: Another side, Another story [deep dive] v. Birth by sleep (Video)

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WINNER!
Birth by Sleep
10 to 2 		A secret beginning, a secret ending. Which tale shall prevail from this conflict? That which told of another side, another story? Or that which all began with birth by sleep? The birth of another victory is imminent, as hooded and armored figures alike clash blades to determine whether this marks the beginning of the end... or the end of the beginning. Time Remaining:
It's All Over!

Votes for Another Side, Another Story...

  1. Roxas was by himself against a hundred heartless and kicked ass (later assisted by Riku) Terra, Aqua, and Ven outnumbered their enemy and had their armored asses handed to them. --ShadowsTwilight  18:12, 4 April 2011 (EDT)
  2. This moment was the one, true moment that made Kingdom Hearts epic for me. As for Birth by Sleep... meh, the scenes are overused. -- LegoAlchemist  01:00, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

Votes for Birth by Sleep

  1. Fate of the Unknown > Another Side -Battle Ver.- anyday. Erry 17:28, 4 April 2011 (EDT)
  2. Changed vote, Fate of the Unknown is definitely better than Another Side. Chitalian8 17:32, 4 April 2011 (EDT)
  3. I like it them better with cape before 4kids got rid of them game processing got rid of them. UnknownCheisā —— Red like Roses
  4. The music is way, way better. Also, throwing your Keyblade to your enemy makes no sense."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 22:54, 4 April 2011 (EDT)
  5. Capes =D Pawprintorange.png Dan - Don't Blink! ♫ Pawprintblue2.png 14:18, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
  6. While both of these musical themes are on my "favorites" list, Fate of the Unknown trumps Another Side by a long shot. - EternalNothingnessXIII 15:02, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
  7. Pretty much what everyone else said...Fate of the Unknown is an amazing piece- that they didn't use in the game! </XIONRAGE>--Xion4ever 10:55, 6 April 2011 (EDT)
  8. Crono phears Xion Rage ._. --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono   15:06, 6 April 2011 (EDT)
  9. Probably one of the better concept videos. ASAS was the foundation of the series, no doubt, but Birth by Sleep has successfully made me get up from my seat in horror. TamboursNéant Ensemble ! 15:16, 6 April 2011 (EDT)
  10. Rewatched both of them... changed my vote. BIRTH BY SLEEP COMPELS YOU! I still like Another Side's music better, though.--File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 17:47, 4 April 2011 (EDT)

Keyblade Graveyard

Dunno if anyone saw, but I altered the battle a little bit. I changed Another side, Another story to [deep dive], seeing how Another side compared to [deep dive] is kinda... lame. Chitalian8 20:28, 4 April 2011 (EDT)
Though I'm a fan of a kick-ass battle quote, I feel we could have done better. So here ones.
A secret beginning, a secret ending. Two stories that told the ending, but only to start off the beginning. Both stories now in battle, who would win? The on that told of another side, another story? Or the one that began off as birth by sleep? A birth of another side, another story will be determined from this battle.
Best I can do. UnknownCheisā —— Red like Roses

How about:
A secret beginning, a secret ending. Which tale shall prevail from this conflict? That which told of another side, another story? Or that which all began with birth by sleep? The birth of another victory is imminent, as hooded and armored figures alike clash blades to determine whether this marks the beginning of the end... or the end of the beginning.
I basically took what you wrote and ran with it. What do you think? --File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 21:51, 4 April 2011 (EDT)
I like it, now all we need to do is to get someone to change it lol. UnknownCheisā —— Red like Roses

Why was everyone saying that this one would be unpredictable? Chitalian8 22:31, 6 April 2011 (EDT)

What do you mean? This is OBVIOUSLY going to be reeeally close. --File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 10:08, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

So... who was the one that touched my domain without permission was kind enough to fix some things here?Today is the opposite day.

Pardon, but that was me DS. Again, though, without the fight scene, A.s., a.s. couldn't possibly contend with BbS. If you don't like it, feel free to change it back. Chitalian8 20:57, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

AI, you better say </xion> or she will RAGE on you. I know, I've been sued many times for not doing that >_> --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono   20:42, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

No worries Chi. Thanks for doing it actually. Also... do I see the XIONRAGE!? Finally! Finally!! THE XIONRAGE, ETTE POWERS COMEPELS ME. </Xion> Today is the opposite day.

Hold on, is this battle over the video or the music? Seems like a good deal of people are only talking about the music. :P   Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   12:06, 9 April 2011 (EDT)

Round 2, Week 2: Ansem, Seeker of Darkness v. Xemnas

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Xemnas
6 to 5 		Heartless and Nobody, the two remains of one who loses his heart. Seeker of Darkness and Superior of the In-Between fighting each other in a one-on-one battle. Will Darkness or Nothingness prevail? Time Remaining:
It's All Over!

Votes for Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

  1. Tough choice, tough choice. But hardly anything beats a classic, Billy Zane-voiced Ansem. Chitalian8 22:15, 20 March 2011 (EDT)
  2. I've always liked A,SoD better. --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono   22:17, 20 March 2011 (EDT)
  3. -- Xabryn  06:37, 21 March 2011 (EDT)
  4. He's a better boss in all his forms. Erry 12:51, 21 March 2011 (EDT)
  5. Xemnas, sorry to say, seemed to be "tacked on", whilst Ansem had a genuine plot from Kingdom Hearts. I'm going for him any day. TamboursTonnerre Ensemble ! 21:26, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

Votes for Xemnas

  1. Yaaaay -- LegoAlchemist 
  2. Though darkness pwns nothingness any day, Xemnas was actually smart. He made an entire organization. Ansem was just "heheh darkness rules heheh i'm controlling yer best friend waah light!"   Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   00:04, 21 March 2011 (EDT)
  3. Even though it's just a change of hairstyle and clothing... Xemnas is better designed. for some reason. What mattered most   was remembered least 11:08, 21 March 2011 (EDT)
  4. Two words: Ethereal. Blades.--ShadowsTwilight  12:39, 21 March 2011 (EDT)
  5. NOTHINGNESS- *shot* --File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 14:27, 21 March 2011 (EDT)
  6. True power over both the Darkness and Nothingness... truth. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 22:33, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

Keyblade Graveyard

Someone please fix Caelum's signature, it seems to be a recurring problem. Chitalian8 15:29, 23 March 2011 (EDT)

Seems okay to me. --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono   18:59, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
Sometimes it looks fine, sometimes it has that box thing, dunno why. Chitalian8 19:24, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
I've seen it too--ShadowsTwilight  20:16, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
I KNOW! OHMAGGOSH (i'm not talkin about maggosh by the way) it annoys me like crap but i dunno what's wrong! I've tried everything. PLEASE save me! ps thanks for caring, guys!   Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   22:18, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

Round 2, Week 1: Armor of the Master v. No Heart

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WINNER!
No Heart
9 to 8 		The remnants of two fallen Keyblade wielders rise to do battle again. The Armor of the Master, keeper of the Land of Departure, an immovable stalwart of light duels No Heart, the armor of the corrupt king of darkness. Who will prevail? Time Remaining:
It's All Over!

Votes for Armor of the Master

  1. Much cooler armor. Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono   12:34, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
  2. The armor looks better and isn't a recycled design, the attacks it uses are more epic and better looking, and a cooler fight. Chitalian8 17:22, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
  3. I agree with Chitalian too. File:EtherRCO.PNG==Pea14733==File:AeroRCO.PNG 09:19, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
  4. Three words: Sam U Rai   Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   21:54, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
  5. Pretty much what everyone else have said...Good design, nice moves, good guys always win, etc. Tough choice, I must add.--Xion4ever 19:57, 15 March 2011 (EDT)
  6. UnknownCheisā —— Red like Roses
  7. --ShadowsTwilight  13:06, 17 March 2011 (EDT)
  8. I'm gonna have to go with armor of the master, better moves and way better battle theme, and believe me, I love Forze dell'oscurita. Danjam 08:05, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

Votes for No Heart

  1.  ~TheTalkingKeyblade  An awesome boss, with an awesome boss theme.
  2. He has more than twice as much health, cooler armer, a harder battle, and better music than Armor of the Master. Need I say more? --File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 13:00, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
  3. Darkness > Light, Nothingness > Light. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 14:12, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
  4. Armour and Keyblade are more epic.Org13left.png Organization13 Org13right.png 17:19, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
  5. Armor of the Master compared to No Heart is practically 4kids material. Erry 23:28, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
  6. I know No Heart is using a lot of LOTS of made from recycled contents, but I just love his theme.... What mattered most   was remembered least 08:00, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
  7. Not sure why but I think that No Heart is cooler--Xabryn 09:25, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
  8. Pawprintorange.png Dan - Don't Blink! ♫ Pawprintblue2.png 05:04, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
  9. I think AotM's armor is cooler, but I have to give this to No Heart. Forze dell Octurita FTW!LapisLazuliScarab17:22, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

Keyblade Graveyard

Come on guys! How could you diss a samurai? Its cause of you people that they cancelled Samurai Jack...  Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   17:56, 17 March 2011 (EDT) Samurai Jack was getting boring anyways. Erry 06:01, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

what the hell is Samurai Jack?--ShadowsTwilight  09:22, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
Samurai Jack was a TV show on Cartoon Network about some samurai trying to get home, or something... look, I didn't watch the show, but from what I've heard it was quite good.--File:Xigbar - Replica Data.pngAS IF!File:Xigbar - Replica Data.png 09:39, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

Somethin' wrong with yo' sig, CLC. --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono   11:05, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

kk, I fix'd it. --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono   11:07, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

Thanks Silva! @Erry: I dunno. I was pretty little when I watched it. Probably didn't understand most of it. @As if!: It was quite good. Please name me one other TV show that featured a samurai fighting a demon spirit in a high-tech future world. NAME ME!!!   Life is 90% mental. The other half is physical   11:43, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

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