Forum:Who's staying, Who's going?

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Enhancements

Hijacking this thread so that we don't open ninethousand threads on this issue. To follow up on the "On What Remains" section of the "Where will we go?" thread, let's go for ideas on enhancing content. Present content is staying. So far, what we have:

Adding Real World content
Fanon content
Theory namespace

Vote

Chitalian8 ^Say...— Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves.

_{Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 21:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)}

So with the decision to move the existing wiki to another address, and to let the wiki here allow more fan-related material, there will inevitably be some users who are drawn to one location or the other. Some people may edit on one or the other, or possibly both. I suggest compiling a list of who's going to edit on the moved wiki, and who's going to stay here on the more fan-oriented one. If you would, please write your name/signature under one of the options.

Staying on the fan-oriented wiki

Going to the new address

Chitalian 8 21:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
LapisLazuliScarab21:30, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono 23:32, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
I could very well stay here to do some test coding and such (like the game that I'm trying to figure out), but the other one will be my home. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.
You have wormed your way to the very nadir of repugnance. - Erry 07:40, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
Lapid oth till 16:37, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
Shard of Truth 23:04, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Going to work on both

i'm not going to update this one or anything, just try my hardest at keeping the vandals at bay--ShadowsTwilight 21:23, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
Me too, I'll just try and keep the vandals away here. Expect me to be more active on the new site. The17 Master13:03, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

I think I should jump in here to be clear that the wiki won't be moving, even if some of the editors here choose to fork the wiki and edit elsewhere. The wiki and all its content will still be here and open for editing. The idea of documenting more of the fan-based stuff sounds great, and I like the ideas that people have put forward about how to distinguish between the two types with templates or a different namespace. But it also needs to be acknowledged that the content that's been built here will still be here, and anything else should enhance that not replace it :) -- Sannse<staff /> (help forum | blog) 05:58, November 16, 2010 (UTC) (p.s. there are a few discussion pages now, so I wasn't sure where to add this - please move it if you prefer!

Uh, yeah. We know. What makes you think we ever thought differently? i think what he meant by "moved wiki" was "wiki we are moving to".--ShadowsTwilight

06:03, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

The Q Continuum weeps. Don't patronize us, we know what we're doing. mag gosh 06:05, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's a fair concern because traditionally when you say that something is "moving," that means it's being taken from one place and being put in another. In this case, it's more like something is being copied to somewhere else, at which point it will take on a life of its own, but the original is still there too to take on yet a different life. Agent0042 11:15, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

"But it also needs to be acknowledged that the content that's been built here will still be here," - That's not how a wiki works, sannse. The content on a wiki is at the discretion of that wiki's current community - if the current community wants to dump the content and put up their own content instead, that is perfectly within their rights. Claiming that the wikia wiki would need to keep some kind of memorial or shrine to the previous community is a bizarre misinterpretation of how community-based wiki's have worked, ever.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 14:55, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not saying it should be forever fixed in place - of course it should develop and grow. But at the same time, what I've seen elsewhere is an intention to remove content from the parent wiki (by "changing the wiki's direction") in order to prevent it competing with the new wiki. From what I've read, that's not what's going on here :), but I wanted to be blunt about what is and isn't acceptable. If there's a need for a wiki with fan-based content and not the reference content already here, then you are welcome to make it. And, of course, you are welcome to build on the content here. But simply switching the purpose of this wiki in order to prevent competition with your fork is not a viable option. Even if there is consensus among those who have decided to move, there are the past and future communities of this wiki to consider. -- Sannse<staff /> (help forum | blog) 20:06, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

"I'm not saying it should be forever fixed in place[...]switching the purpose of this wiki in order to prevent competition with your fork is not a viable option." Make up your mind, willya? mag gosh 20:19, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sannse, to be perfectly blunt, we are not switching the purpose of this wiki. Oasis switched the purpose of this wiki (and most others), by making comprehensive coverage of the sort that we sought untenable. This is our attempt to find any purpose that is still doable, since our other option is just to dump a barely-functioning wreck on the community that stays behind, which will make them look bad, and sabotage the findability of the new site.

This is the point where wikia needs to just take its lumps and accept that content-based wikis will no longer be very able to function, instead of demanding that we all not only suffer for wikia's bad decisions, but refrain from using what few methods of alleviation we have left.

Oasis is designed for the facebook crowd, to attract casual readers with much shallower interest in the material, or to attract those with less rigorous methods. We get that, and we are playing along with that. But it is a huge slap in the face to all of us when we try to oblige wikia's decisions, and they give us stuff like this, patronizing us and painting our compromise as an attack on wikia.

We're trying to find a peaceful solution. Wikia is the one making this into a catfight by sending us missives like the one above. Its insulting to us, and doesn't engender any sympathy to you.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 21:35, November 16, 2010 (UTC)z

Maggosh: it shouldn't be fixed in place, but it also shouldn't be diminished in order to prevent competion with a fork. I don't see a contradiction there.

KrytenKoro: I don't have any intention to be patronizing or insulting. And I don't agree that there is anything in the skin change that means this wiki cannot continue to be a comprehensive resource on Kingdom Hearts. I think that's the fundamental difference of opinion here (you and I seem to have those a lot :-/ I'm sorry) -- Sannse<staff /> (help forum | blog) 02:17, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

You had no intention of patronizing and insulting us, and yet you go right on ahead and do just that. Man, can you do anything that you intend to do? You intend to make a skin that improves on Monaco, you make one that's worse. You intend to persuade us to enjoy Oasis and for us to stay with Wikia, and now we can't wait to leave. You have no intention of patronizing and insulting us, and then you go right out and treat us like dirt who don't know what they're doing. AM I THE ONLY ONE NOTICING A PATTERN HERE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? P.S., don't try and argue with Kryten, it won't end well for you. Believe me, I know from personal experience--ShadowsTwilight

02:29, November 19, 2010 (UTC)