@ST: Well, sure, but wouldn't it be interesting to see that sort of transition?
LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
Urutapu, I was thinking exactly the same thing, along with "Dude, wtf is up with his legs". Maybe they wanted him to fit with the Hercules style.
Yeah, because that's obviously what they did with Cloud. OH WAIT.
LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
1) I never mentioned Cloud. 2) Zack is the only one who is designed like that. All the other Final Fantasy characters are realistically proportioned and having Zack match the Hercules artwork is the only reason I can think of to explain why he is not. The attitude wasn't necessary.
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
I'm so glad Zack is in this! I can't wait to see him! Lapis-kun, can you do the apperance section? I think you can do better.
LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
Okay, done, and I'm excited that Zack is in this too! Though, to be honest, I'd have been glad just to see any Final Fantasy character show up again.
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
Was your earlier comment just a joke? Sorry man, my bad, guess I didn't catch that.
BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...03:07, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
I saw the article in recent edits, and here I was all, "Whose creating this fan stuff again?" And then I read the article and got served. ^_^
Is it just me who realize that Olympus Coliseum shows badass ff characters? First Cloud, then Auron, now Zack???
What's next? Balthier?
Balthier....or Basch and Gabranth. :D
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
I was thinking more like...Vincent Valentine? In fanfics that centers around "Kingdom Hearts II" people always put Vincent in the Olympus Coliseum, thinking he would make a pact with Hades to bring back his old love, Lucrecia Crescent. I hope Vincent is going to be in KH3.
@Kaihedge-Yep put some ff characters from those games or rinoa and bartz and square will have my gratidute(cuz rinoa and bartz are my favorite ff characters) Firaga44 23:05, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
Sephiroth
Xemwath - You are my living legacy. TALK - SOLDIER 1st Class Zack!
If Sephiroth is in this, do you think he's going to be evil or not? If he is not evil, then maybe we can use him as a D-Link!
Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah.
If he's in Birth By Sleep I think he's gonna be evil.
LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
Maybe not. Judging from Zack's outfit, the story may follow Crisis Core, and if that's so Sephiroth could be an ally in the beginning.
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
I like Sephiroth when he's nice, and he have a sense of humor. Crisis Core was the only game that show that he was a good person with his friends, Zack's mentor, Angeal, and Genisis Raspody.
XionXIV - "You have poured so many memories into me,given me so much,that I feel like i'm about to overflow." TALK - "Look at me Roxas,who do you see?" -- 04:42, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
...How can Sephiroth be nice in BBS? I mean,he is just really...Well,i can't describe him.But I do think just a LITTLE bit that he could have been good. Everyone is good at least once,right?
LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
He was a good, if cold person in Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII- (at least before he found out his mother was an alien and went nuts). If BBS takes inspiration from that, it isn't far-fetched at all that Sephiroth could be an ally.
XionXIV - "You have poured so many memories into me,given me so much,that I feel like i'm about to overflow." TALK - "Look at me Roxas,who do you see?" -- 04:48, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
...Coolio.
Expect
Seiyuu: Kenichi Suzumura
VA: Rick Gomez
Role: Wants to be a hero.
World Storyline: Similar to Crisis Core (With Sephiroth, Cloud, & Tifa).
Need I say more? Kaihedgie 08:14, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
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SOLDIER has been mentioned in Cloud's entries in Jiminy's Journal, before. Which doesn't really make all that much sense. Considering that A: Cloud wasn't in SOLDIER and B: It's an alternate universe so the stuff that happened in FFVII didn't happen in KH. HarpieSiren 08:19, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe they'll be trying to figure out why Jiminy has the word "SOLDIER" in his journal for cloud. Wouldn't be surprised if that showed up in whatever that game is they're making for the cell phone. Which, honestly, I won't get.--Pkthis 23:33, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
And now for a lame pun
Zack is the seventh FFVII character to make an appearance in the KH series Kaihedgie 01:25, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
Body Praportions
"is it me or dose he seem to be WAY thinner than normal?
in the sceen with him and Terra, his waste is like a womans.
my Theory is that Zacks design is to make it look like hes origonaly from the same world as Hrec.
you know, make it so in KH Hercs home world could be Zacks home world, his outfit is also an indication to make me think so, maybe hes a student under Phil.
its posssable that Zack and Phil may have the same friendship and conections as Zack and angeal had in FF7:Crisis Core.
but again its all just a theory of mine
~Ixbran"
I think so, too, about Zack and Phil's relationship. I'm hoping that Phil will call him "Zack the Puppy". Zero attention span, and reckless as a puppy. Tee hee hee!--NinjaSheik 02:56, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, making him look Hercules-esque is obviously the intent. Just look at his legs. The problem is his head is still Finally Fantastic and looks out of place as hell.—Urutapu 03:55, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
It's not that bad.--NinjaSheik 04:03, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
Cloud's Search +
Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 23:13, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
We all know by "I'm looking for someone. Hades promised to help.", that Cloud meant Sephiroth. If BBS does follow Crisis Core (I find this extremely unlikely), is it possible that he meant Zack? If so, what became of him, and wouldn't Cloud appear as a 13 year-old version (He's 24 or whatever in KH1, so do the math. Also remember Zack is older in CC, so he'd basically be about 15 or something)?
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
I'm sure he meant Sephiroth. If it does Crisis Core, which I'm pretty sure they don't, then shouldn't Zack be...Uh, you know...Dead? Well, this took years before the game, so mostly likely Zack could die in BBS.
And shouldn't Aerith be dead as well? KH has changed the FF timeline before; I wouldn't be surprised if Zack is still alive around KHI.
HarpieSiren - Here's one for all of us TALK - It will keep us connected
He was 22 in KH1, so he'd be 12, which would make Zack about 13. And KH has never followed the FF canon that directly, we shouldn't expect it to start now.
NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart...
I thought so, too. I was hoping to see Zack in KHIII.
Why is zack classified under the "Characters from an unknown world" Catigory?
i think its pretty obvious that Olympus Collosieum is Zacks home world in KH:BbS.
his body praportions are on par with the characters from that world, his ears even have that swirl design in them like young Herc in BbS
hes dressed the same as the other characters from that world.
also take into account that even though they are from other games, Aerith, Yuffie and Cid, from FF7, share the same Home world with Squall, from FF8. whare as Cloud, Tifa and Sephiroth are from a compleatly difrent world all together.
I personaly dont see anything wrong with a FF character whos home world in KH is a disney World, i mean KH is suposed to be about fusing Disney and FF into one. So the very idea of a FF character whos home world is a disney world shouldent be all that hard to accept
Or are there some people who just hate the very idea of it, and are in denial about Zacks home world being Olympus Collosieum?
im not trying to start a fight or anything, but i just wanted to know why Zack is under the "Characters from an unknown world" Catigory, when its obvious, to me, hes origonaly from Olympus Collosieum, or am i missing something?
~ Ixbran
HarpieSiren - Here's one for all of us TALK - It will keep us connected
First of all, it's "PROPORTIONS". Secondly, Cloud is from Radiant Garden, Nomura has said so. And as for the question at hand, it's not that we "hate the idea" and are "in denial." See, while it's extremely likely that he's a resident of the Olympus Coliseum, we won't really know until the game is out. We really shouldn't assume anything till then.
ETA: And this is a wiki. If you think it's wrong then fix it, the worse that can happen is that someone will correct you.
Or ban you. Don't forget that.--71.116.53.127 20:28, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
RedemptionUltima - What IS he!?! No one's EVER worn the darkness the way that he does! It's impossible! TALK - See my illusion!
He's got you there.
HarpieSiren - Here's one for all of us TALK - It will keep us connected
True, but as long as people use their brain when editing it, that shouldn't be a problem
It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 22:42, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
To be honest, his home world should be treated as Olympus Coliseum until it's stated as otherwise in the game. With the way we have it now, it's making it look as if we're absolutely sure that he's not from Olympus Coliseum. The only place we've seen him at is Olympus Coliseum, in Olympus Coliseum styled clothing, so why should we support the fact that he doesn't live there more than the fact that he does?
i think its 100% safe to say that Olympus Coliseum is his home world. I mean the Events of BbS take place before Xehanort was an apprentice of Ansem. and it was Xehanort who destroyed the barriers around the worlds that kept them separated. during BbS the only way to travel to different worlds is by those portals of light, which can only be accessed by Keyblade wielders. and its obvious Zack dose not have a keyblade, combined with the fact that Zacks design mimics that of those who are native to Olympus Coliseum. Ixbran 23:00, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
Only FF character?
Were did you get that information. (And what about Moogles?) FaythOfFenrir 17:44, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Check www.kh13.com and read the Nomura interview, moogles and Zack are the only FF part in the game. Squall and Cloud were supposed to have a backstory in the game, but there was already too much story involved, so they dropped the idea.--Ataradesu 18:34, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
New trivia piece
Someone needs to add in Zack bein' the second FF character to appear in the series with his own theme Kaihedgie 03:26, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
I need help
Hey darkstar16 here I tryed puting a video in zack's page but a part of the page is gone can you help me thinks
Fate
Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion!
Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?
Okay, the answer will probably be a spoiler, just for a warning to other users. Does anyone know what Zack's fate is? I read the feather-thing, but I just don't get it. Is he still alive?
Well, we don't know. That's the last thing we see of him.—Urutapu 16:08, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
KingdomKeyDarkside - A scattered dream that's like a far-off memory. A far off memory that's like a scattered dream. TALK - I want to line the pieces up, yours, and mine.16:34, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
I've got it! this is my interpretation, but sephiroth comes and kills zack or something, which gives cloud a reason to show up in KHI, looking for vengeance against Sephiroth for killikg his friend. Don't black feathers usually symbolize sephiroth? But then... how would cloud have gotten the Buster Sword? KH totally messes up the FF universe within it. Aerith is alive, Cloud has the buster sword for no apparent reason, etc.
Nitrous X Talk! — Nice to see you, too, Vexen. It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together.
See my illusion!
Ooh, I'm confused now. I've never played a single FF game, so I don't know about that. Xabryn suggested I watch the videos, I might do that...
Zack doesn't own the Buster Sword in KH, so it's fine. The Buster Sword is probably just cool in this continuity and not a "warrior's legacy" type thing like it is in Compilation of FFVII.—Urutapu 20:28, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
"click click click" — Saxisai 20:31, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
the thing about this is, in the KH Universe, Sephiroth's feathers have blue tint to them, but these feathers were pure black...which could mean Genesis is introduced into the KH Universe for a split second...
KingdomKeyDarkside - A scattered dream that's like a far-off memory. A far off memory that's like a scattered dream. TALK - I want to line the pieces up, yours, and mine.20:36, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
That's possible, I guess... Saxisai: Perry The Platypus? WTH?
Mrsaxel - No matter how far away we are, our hearts will bring us together again. TALK - Did the King send you?4:35pm
Well, you know, Sephiroth was supposed to be the darkness in Cloud's heart, right? Maybe (this is all speculation and will most likely be wrong), Cloud knew Zack and maybe Could inadvertenly did something that involved Sephiroth that led to Zack's death...? Haha. Sorry-- I don't know the FF stories. Zack's probably going to be alive and I'll be rambling on for nothing. :D I just feel like it would make sense that Cloud would want to defeat Sephiroth to get rid of his guilt once and for all.
KrytenKoro - "Space Corp Directive 195—In an emergency power situation, a hologrammatic crew member must lay down his life in order that the living crew members might survive." "Yes, but Rimmer Directive 271 states just as clearly: 'No chance, you metal bastard.'" TALK -
Well, Zack was the one using darkness. Maybe in the KH universe, Zack is Sephiroth.
Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion!
Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?
Well that would be quite interesting. Good theory.
Faythoffenrir - "In the arena of logic, I fight unarmed. - Red Mage Statcowski TALK - 01:13, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
Anyone have a video of this part? Maybe it would make more sense if we saw it. Also, as a Final Fantasy fan, this kind of sounds like what happened with Zack's death in Crisis Core, only the feathers were Angeal's and were white.
Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion!
Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?
You can see it here, at the bottom of the page, at the bottom of Xiggie's message.
I just want to say that I have no problem with Kingdom Hearts messing with the stories of Final Fantasy stories because Kingdom Hearts is an originaly series, not a spinoff of Final Fantasy. The same goes for Disney. So I think we just should be happy that we have someone as cool as Zack, and I'm pretty sure they won't do much to elaborate on the plot of Zack in the same way they haven't elaborated on the plot of Cloud. 69.178.248.181 01:37, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
That and they aready have their own games, so we shouldn't rely on Kingdom Hearts to base a huge plotline around minor characters that already have their own backgrounds.69.178.248.181 01:38, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
The Black Feather, Sephiroth or Sephirnot?
Alright. Now why does everyone have to think that the black feather isn't Sephiroth's? Werehog 2:55 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)
Kingdomzachdawg The truth is, Ansem, I just can't stand your foul stench. — 23:01, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
Two reasons:1 It might belong to Genesis Rapsody (I think thats his name?) and 2 It hasn't been confirmed, so it has no place on the wiki. Done and done.
@Kingdom zachdawg, Not done, and not done by a long shot! What makes you think it belongs to Genesis? He isn't even in the game. Werehog 3:05 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)
I too also believe it could be Sephiroth, but until it is confirmed we cannot add that to the article. This wiki has a no speculation policy. Also, proof is indeed needed to back up such an acqusation.--Xion4ever 23:03, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
@Xion4ever, You don't need confirmation about a piece of wing that came from only one character, and one character only. Werehog 3:08 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. If it isn't confirmed that the feather is from Sephiroth, then no matter how likely it may be it cannot be in the article. It is not confirmed that the feather is his. Everything needs to be confirmed, Werehog. By the way someone erased this comment earlier.--Lapis ofthe Night 23:12, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
Who knows...Maybe one day he will.--NinjaSheik 23:08, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
Kingdomzachdawg The truth is, Ansem, I just can't stand your foul stench. — 23:09, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
WE actually think it might be Seph's, but it hasn't been confirmed. And so what if Genesis aint in the game? Zack wasn't in the series till BBS
@NinjaSheik, But Zach is an original. Genesis is not. Sephiroth is all the proof you need to know who's feather that currently is. Werehog 3:13 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)
Kingdomzachdawg The truth is, Ansem, I just can't stand your foul stench. — 23:12, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
I second that, Xion. If it's not confirmed, it has no place on the wiki. I've learned that. If you continue this, you may get a warning.
@Kingdom zachdawg, I don't second that. You don't need confirmation for Sephiroth's wing! Werehog 3:17 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)
KingdomKeyDarkside - A scattered dream that's like a far-off memory. A far off memory that's like a scattered dream. TALK - I want to line the pieces up, yours, and mine.23:14, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
Well, I think it's Sephiroth's. 1. Sephiroth killing Zack gives Cloud a reason to try and find him in KHI and II. 2. Sephiroth has a whole wing of black feathers, they're most likely his.
Wait a minute! We don't even know if Zack's dead in KH.--NinjaSheik 23:15, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
The why is Cloud chasing Sephiroth? Werehog 3:18 PM 2/14/2010 (UTC)
Kingdomzachdawg The truth is, Ansem, I just can't stand your foul stench. — 23:16, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
KKD, it doesn't matter. If it aint confirmed, it can't be put on the wiki. We've already said this.
Enough of this. This is getting dangerously close to edit warring. If that happens, warnings and such could/would be handed out; we don't want or need that. Also, I too believe it is Sephiroth, but until we have actual, confirmed proof we cannot add it into the article. Sorry, but this wiki has a no speculation rule; even if we're sure its Sephiroth, we cannot add it into the article until it is confirmed.--Xion4ever 23:18, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
Kingdomzachdawg The truth is, Ansem, I just can't stand your foul stench. — 23:23, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
Seconded. There will be no edit wars. Let's just try and put this behind us
KingdomKeyDarkside - So… You really do care about her. In that case, the answer is no. TALK - We don't accept resignations.00:24, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
I understand that it's not confirmed. I know we can't put it on the wiki. I'm not stupid, and I know what I'm doing, KZD. I haven't even edited it to say that it is Sephiroth, it's all Werehog21's doing. I was never trying to prove that it was Sephiroth, I was simply expressing my opinion on the matter.
Kingdomzachdawg The truth is, Ansem, I just can't stand your foul stench. — 01:47, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
@ KKD Well, ok then. I didn't mean it that way, I just wanted to make my point clear. Also to everyone else, this whole matter is closed.
Tetsuya Nomura confirmed that the black feather indicates the presance of Sephiroth.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 02:04, July 28, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman
1) This discussion is several months old. 2) We know that, look in the article.LapisLazuliScarab07:34, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
Theme
In the trivia section, who was the other FF character to have a theme? I'm thinking Squall, but I'm not sure. The Yoshiman 97 03:44, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
Sephiroth is probably being referred to.—Urutapu 05:12, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
Odd question
How does he get his hair in that helmet? 66.215.21.80 23:09, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
Probably with great difficulty YamiNoBahamut 17:45, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
Keep in mind that this is the same universe where the legendary weapon is a giant key, and where humans and anthropomorphized animals can glide with little difficulty. How Zack can fit his hair in that helmet is the least confusing aspect of these games. Tamroc7 02:16, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
Maybe it's like how Axel gets his hair in the hood. Maybe. User:OathkeeperKH/Signature
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