Talk:Radiant Garden

Second Castle

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL !

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I never understood how the second castle (maleficent's one, with the heartless emblem on each tower) appeared in this world. I mean, Maleficent used Hollow Bastion (the first castle) as a base in Kh, so the second probably didn't exist yet (even if the rest of the world was destroyed, she probably didn't built an other castle before). So, how the hell has it appeared ? Has it been built by heartless ?

I'm guessing she built it before she took over hollow bastion. Myself 123 23:11, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Methinks it is so. Who knows, maybe Birth By Sleep could shed some light on it. After all, at that time Hollow Bastion and Radiant Garden weren't plummeted into the darkness by Xehanort. ^_^

EDIT : Now I remember something. The Forteresse that we saw in KH1 could be very well the "castle under reconstruction" in KHII. Because from what I know (I think I saw this in the Ansem Reports, though I might be wrong) HB was heavily modified for Xehanort's project. I'm pretty sure that once the Keyhole of the world is consumed, what is left is only the remnant of the world (think Destiny Islands). The Forteresse could be the remnant of HB that Xehanort needed to preserve, in order to get along with his plan.

Again, I might be wrong.

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne

Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden

I heard in KHII HB's real named is Radiant Garden is that right? Cococrash11

Radiant Garden or The Radiant Garden?

Is there a point calling this "The Radiant Garden" why not just call it "Radiant Garden" instead? Cococrash11

Because that's not its name.Glorious CHAOS! 19:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Well, it was "The Radiant Garden" in KH2, but as of BBS, it's just "Radiant Garden", so we can move it back, I guess.

Also, anyone else notice that there's an actual world beyond the town, now?Glorious CHAOS! 03:00, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh ^{Strike backwards...} — "That's a nice expression."

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The new logo in BbS labels it simply as "Radiant Garden". I say we rename it.

Indeed, and obviously the search term used by 99% of people would be Radiant Garden rather than The Radiant Garden. Even the translations beneath the logo (for other versions) don't make use of the article (it's Jardin Radieux, for example). It's practically understood that despite the "the" not being there, the place is still referred to as Radiant Garden. Even Aerith calls it Radiant Garden without the "the". Damn, I can go on and on...

There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 10:58, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

About Lego's edit on this...

Dornob25 - Who knows what that one is thinking.
TALK - You will know how weak you are! — 04:12, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

He added the Trivia that the castle that overlooks Radiant Garden vaguely resembles Castle That Never Was. It may seem a little bit looking alike, but I don't see any major likeness between the two. If I'm wrong, someone clarify.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice?
TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?

Yeah, it actually more closely resembles Castle Oblivion in the BbS logo, and even that is a bit too speculative to me.

JFHavoc ^{Talk to Me!}— I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000.

_{You're all morons. — JFHavoc 05:11, December 11, 2009 (UTC)}

A lot of castles look alike, and I think the similarities are too vague to be good Trivia for this page. Now if the castle was modeled after The Castle that Never Was it would be a whole other story. But... it's not.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice?
TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?

Right, so I removed that, but another piece of trivia is bugging me a little. It says that the BbS Radiant Garden bears a strong resemblance to the Gardens in Final Fantasy VIII. Now I don't have the game, so I don't know how accurate that is, but it seems too speculative to me. Should that be removed too?

JFHavoc ^{Talk to Me!}— I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000.

_{You're all morons. — JFHavoc 05:32, December 11, 2009 (UTC)}

Probably. Trivia is supposed to be mostly interesting facts, not speculation. Speculation can be put in trivia, but that is mostly for theories that are very likely or widely accepted.

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Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me?
TALK - All for one and one for all. - 18:04, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

There is a Trivia saying that this is the only world to change name, but considering that at the end of BBS the Land of Departure became Castle Oblivon, thus having the name changed that trivia should be removed or at least altered.

Done.

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 03:16, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

About Disney Castle (Still under this section)

Right about the Timeless River, but Disney Town and Disney Castle, as I view it, are two different things altogether (castle, town... ?). Indeed, they refer to about the same place, but we don't know what the actual name of the world is. (And then again, the Town was seen in KH1 on the World Map, but it wasn't called Disney Town !)

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 04:14, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me?
TALK - All for one and one for all. - 04:25, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

As far as we know the world could be called Disney Land or even Disney World. So these three "locations" should be on separate pages for now until something new comes up, and the trivia should stay.

That revision shall be undone.

There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 04:27, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me?
TALK - All for one and one for all. - 04:34, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

And it should remain untouched from now on, or my wrath will fall on those who do not obey!!

You mean MY wrath.

There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 04:39, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me?
TALK - All for one and one for all. - 04:42, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Our wrath then. OUR WRATH!!! This will scare the other users.

It won't scare the seasoned ones unless we have a basis for the argument. I guess this one does have a base.

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 04:55, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me?
TALK - All for one and one for all. - 05:09, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Glad we settled this. Next issue, please.

KrytenKoro - "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life."
TALK -

As I understand it, each of these instances is just the castle remaining after the world was devoured, so it's not so much the name being changed as everything else disappearing (excluding Disney).

Furthermore, if the basis of the original discussion was that the trivia bit would need to be corrected, but it would be a spoiler, why not just remove it? Especially since the name-change is plot info anyway, it would be better to simply explain the phenomena in the story section, and leave it out of the trivia.

Question is, was Disney Town ever devoured by Darkness ? The only time we ever hear of the Darkness encroaching into that place was in KHII. That was the first instance.

And also, if the wiki policy was already stated as to insert spoilers even in the story section, then we might as well apply it anywhere else. Otherwise, what's the rationale of keeping it in the story section ? First of all, how is it ever going to be put in the story section ?

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • Trois Nyx Étienne — 06:23, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me?
TALK - All for one and one for all. - 20:42, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

First of all, Disney was never devoured by Darkness, now if you meant the Land of Departure, I don't think it was devoured but dragged near the Realm of Darkness (Castle Oblivion is on the Realm of Between closer to the Realm of Darkness).

And about the trivia, I'll change it a bit removing the "which became Castle Oblivion" part, If the someone wants to know why the name was changed then check the section inside the spoiler template on LoD. Kay?