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Roxas has vens body,heart and soul not soras!

Ok plp namine has soras body and soul not roxas ok stop confusing plp and yes its a fact its in the ansem reports roxas is ven reborn as soras nobody.

Plz reply to my last commment PLZ!!

Pea14733 Freeze! — 14:26, September 8, 2010 (UTC) Which Ansem Report did you found about this? And please use proper English and sign your posts.

I fogot but its a kh2 ansem report search up all kh2 ansem reports trust me namine has soras soul and body not roxas.

Kh2 ansem reportsit shouldnt be to hard to find.

Forget the link I tryied to put up the ansem report is a kh2 report ok. why cant I comment anymore!

Pea14733 Freeze! — 15:26, September 8, 2010 (UTC) Searched Ansem Reports. NOTHING SAYS THAT.

Are u sure a kh2 ansem report says that I know it does I played kh2 a million times its on a ansem report how can u not find it?

Pea14733 Wind! — 15:31, September 8, 2010 (UTC) I found only "Namine has Sora's body and soul" but I can't find those about Roxas.

Yeah thats what im saying if namine has soras the only one left is vens for roxas.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Roxas have Sora's body and Ventus's heart and soul, Naminé hae half of Sora's body and Kairi's Soul

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 15:39, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   EDIT CONFLICT: Yeahthat'sgreatsignyourposts, but Ven's body is in [spoiler alert] CO, so how can Roxas be using it?

How can namine have half a body vens body is not in c.o anymore I belive that as soon as roxas was born vens body disapeard and became roxas.

Also if the soul leaves the body it will die thats a fact so vens body must be with roxas.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 15:48, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   What? No, you're just guessing now.

Pea14733 Freeze! — 15:50, September 8, 2010 (UTC) And Roxas was born in Twilight Town remember? How can the body moves on its own?

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 15:51, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   Not to mention it means Org XIII were just wasting their time in CO all that time.

No im not guessing if the soul leaves the body it will die that is a fact so if that happened kairi and ven would be dead by now and ven cant still be in c.o hs body must be with roxas thats the only body for roxas theirs no way they can have half a body where did u hear that?!

To PEA the heart is stronger than the soul and body so if the heart is with roxas the soul and bodt might be able to follow to!The reason that didnt happen to kairi is cause her heart was with sora who already had all 3 componets.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 15:59, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   Ugh, no, you're guessing about Ven's body disappearing from CO, and that bit about "if the heart is with roxas the soul and body", etc. is pure speculation, and unfounded at that. Also, the Secret Ansem Reports imply that both Roxas and Namine were born from Sora's body, there's no question of halves.

I have to go now but I will be back soon then we can continue this conversation bye.

Ok but wait what ansem report says that roxas and namine where both born from soras body where did u find that?!

Yes what i say is speculation but what u say is to like namine and roxas having the same body I MEAN HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!?What report did u find that!?

Born from the same body does not mean they have the same body. Sora's body and soul split in half when he became a Heartless. One half made Roxas, the other half made Namine. --Evnyofdeath 16:44, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok if the soul leaves the body it will die no doubt(A fact) namine has soras soul and body(A fact) and roxas has vens soul,body and heart most likely thats true.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 16:52, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   Who's saying the soul left the body? Sora's body and soul were supporting two nobodies.

You understand nothing. He said that the body CAN be splitted. Accroding to the Reports, Roxas has SORA's body and Namine also has Sora's body. And like I said before, how could a body move on its own? Roxas could have Ven's heart but it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to have Ven's body. ⁼⁼Pea14733₌₌ 16:57, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

What report said the body can be spillited which one cause I dont recall!Also how can the soul and body support 2 nobodies its IMPOSSSIBLE!?

FIRST OFF, sign your posts already!!! Secondly, who and what said it is impossible for one body to make two Nobodies? --Evnyofdeath 17:05, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Its not IMPOSSIBLE for him to have vens body as I said maybe the soul and body followed the heart(SPOILER)as we seen before even with no heart ven was able to use his keyblade in his coma to open a portal in bbs he couldve opened it when his body and soul sensed the heart and went to it the same way he opened a portal and his key blade saved aqua its POSSIBLE!

Notice how you DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER MY QUESTION! God, that is so frustrating when people do that. GIVE US WHO OR WHAT SAID ROXAS HAS VEN'S BODY AND SOUL AND NOT SORA'S and maybe we will stop saying your wrong. --Evnyofdeath 17:09, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 17:12, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   EDIT CONFLICT: Ven did have a heart, albeit a damaged one. Besides, when that happened he was in no state to move. Also, why do you hate grammar so much?

Nothing said he had vens body and soul but the ansem reports DO SAY that namine has soras soul and body but nothing says the body or soul CAN SPILT into 2 pices nothing says that Im just trying to make sense of the subject by putting in answers that make sense ok!

Use your brain a little. Namine is a SPECIAL Nobody, the reports say that, this means the conditions for her creation are UNIQUE AND UN PRECIDENTED. Every other Nobody is created from the Body and Soul of their original being, and seeing as Sora is Roxas's original being, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize Roxas has Sora's body and soul. --Evnyofdeath 17:15, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

I know ven had a heart at the beginnig of the game but not at the end when with no heart opened a portal and helped aqua or did something in a coma like state like kairi was in.

I use my brain do u use yours.Even if namine is a SPECIAL nobody she still needs a body and soul did u even read my comment carefully?

Thats a....really intelligent counter you just pulled. Not. God, your the one who needs to read comments carefully. You said yourself that Namine has Sora's Body and Soul, so I THOUGHT I DIDN'T NEED TO REITERATE THAT NAMINE HAS SORA'S BODY AND SOUL but apparently I need to. NAMINE HAS SORA'S BODY AND SOUL. However, Roxas is Sora's Nobody, and seeing as he is NOT a special Nobody, his Body and Soul are from Sora. --Evnyofdeath 17:20, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

The ansem reports say namine HAS soras SOUL AND BODY which as we all know CANT BE SPLITTED the only one for roxas is vens and I told u why I belive that already why cant u see it or think it makes sense yet!?

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 17:22, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   Because you're assuming a lot of stuff. How do you know it can't be *cough* "splitted" *cough-bad grammar-cough*

Beccause it NEVER said that in the ENTIRE series if it was true there would be info on it or some clue about it which theirs NOT.

HA! YOU JUST TRAPPED YOURSELF! There is NOTHING in the ENTIRE series that says Roxas's has Ven's Body and Soul, so using your logic, IT CAN'T BE TRUE! And seeing as Roxas NEEDS a Body and Soul to exist, the only place he could have gotten them from is Sora. --Evnyofdeath 17:26, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

I mean the whole thing about the body being splitted makes no sense if the body was splitted then shouldnt we see namine and roxas with half a body but we DONT so theirs no spillting a body.

...arg.

namine came into being via Sora's body and soul, and Kairi's heart leaving it. SHE DOES NOT HAVE THEM. She is a byproduct of the process which created Roxas (Sora's heart leaving Sora's body and soul), due to very, very weird circumstances. This is why Ansem says OVER AND OVER that Namine has even less reality than normal Nobodies.

So:

1. Roxas has Sora's body and soul, and Ventus's heart
2. Namine has diddly-squat, and barely exists at all.

Also, unless you have an actual source, you are wasting our time. Fan-theories are worthless without sources.Glorious CHAOS! 17:31, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

It would seem Roxas is much like Naminé. Naminé is Kairi's Nobody, but came into being via Sora's body and soul.

Likewise, Roxas is Sora's Nobody, but was left behind because Sora's Heartless regained human form using Kairi's heart instead of his own.

It may be that Sora's memories are slow to return because the half of him that Roxas is still lacking.

Listen for after kh1 until sora joined with roxas he was still a heartless just one with a human form not a shadow form and got his powers back roxas CANT have soras body and soul because NAMINE DOES so the only ones left is VENS!

Seriously, don't post again unless you are going to provide sources. I'm about to just delete this topic as irrelevant forum-ing.Glorious CHAOS! 17:36, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

U want sources ok I will give it to u!

1.Ansem reports Namine has soras body and soul 2.Kh bbs,Kh 358 2 days and wiki Roxas has vens heart 3.Obviuos, Nobody can exits with half a body 4.KH bbs(the end)Ven in a coma state with no heart still using keyblade possibility he went to his hearts when roxas was being created!

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 17:46, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   None of that qualifies as a source.

Yes they do r u telling me the game and info in it is NOT a source!UNBELIVABLE!!!

Dear god, you are one of the DENSEST people I've had the displeasure of talking to! OPEN YOU EYES AND PAY ATTENTION TO EVERYTHING IN ALL THE GAMES, NOT JUST WHAT YOU WANT TO! --Evnyofdeath 17:59, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

I DO OPEN MY EYES I LISTEN WHAT THE gams tell me BUT U DONT U need to pay attention SERIOUSLY TO THE ENTIRE SERIES!Why arent u listenig?!

I DO OPEN MY EYES BUT U DONT I listen to what the series tell me U belive in whatever u want to belive my facts come from the game I use the facts to support my theories but dont!

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 18:04, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   A source would be a statement or in-game situation that clearly indicates your point, not some obscure logic based on speculation and assumptions. We don't know #2 for certain, #3 is straight-out guessing, and #4 is incorrect, as Ven did have a heart, though it was damaged and sleeping. Your "facts" are not proving anything. EDIT: Also, use grammatically correct sentences, please.

NOT ALL My stuff I say is not speculation its from the game Namine DOES have soras body and soul from the ansem reports!Ven at the end of bbs lost his heart HE DID as we all saw on websites including youtube!

I mean you people DONT PAY ATTENION tell me what doesnt prove as a source tell me cause my facts I just told u ARE from the GAME A OBVIOUS SOURCE!

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 18:13, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   Except only one of those is right, and you're still using bad logic. Also, what did Yen Sid say about Ven's heart?

I mean come on tell me what DOESNT make sense PLZ TELL ME!

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA tell us where in the games it is said that roxas was using vens body and this conversation will be over. anything less is pure speculation

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 18:16, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   We will also accept statements from Nomura.

I dunno what yen sid said about vens heart but as I saw vens heart went into soras heart I saw the scene!Vens heart was destroyed at the end of kh bbs cause (SPOILER)him and vanitas fought and he killed vanitasand destoyed the x-blade(Which is created from his heart) and since X-blade is his heart he lost his heart when he destoyed it!

Nothing states that roxas is using vens body and soul but I belive he is CUASE theirs no BODY AND SOUL LEFT FOR roxas and all NOBODIES need a body and soul he must have vens thats why HE LOOKS EXACLY LIKE HIM!

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 18:22, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   Ugh, if you don't know, then you can't make this argument. We don't care what you believe, if you can't prove it with anything other than faulty logic. Go find out what Yen Sid said.

Ok I will but why cant I comment on this!

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 18:42, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   Don't know what you're talking about.

He stoped me from commenting normanly on this topic so I will comment a different way I dont wanna say cause he might stop me from that way too ok!

Ok about yen sid does it really matter wat he said I mean point is vens heart is in roxas!

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ok, that MIGHT be true, but how does that prove that he is using ven's body and soul, and please make all of your comments within one edit

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 18:52, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   Why wouldn't it matter? Just go watch it already.

Why cant I comment anymore!

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good question :)

Dear god..you ARE dense. You made a comment asking why you can't comment.....--Evnyofdeath 19:05, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 19:08, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   You must be doing something wrong, because no one's done anything to your "account".

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA granted, he's spent the last however long arguing with points that are complete bullcrap while refusing to listen to ANY reason at all. how smart do you expect him to be?

I cant comment whats happening to this thing! Oh i see I have to preview then save then I can comment! What did u do to my commenting I can barly comment its acting dum! Everyone just go to talk roxas and we will continue its acting up real bad right now!

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 19:21, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   {headdesk} Ugh, no we won't. Talk pages are for topics related to the article, and we're quite a ways off by now. Nobody's done anything to you, there's nothing that would affect your ability to comment, it must be a problem on your end.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Rather than commenting on your supposed inability to comment, how bout contributing to your own argument

Can u just g there plz so we can talk this all the guy who had change pages fault now I cant comment almost at all! Ok this is real annoying I hope this comment will come in!

                                                                                            Yes now I can comment agian!

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 19:30, September 8, 2010 (UTC)   This is idiotic. I'm done.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA woooooooooow, its a frikkin miracle that you can now comment after all your comments

After all what comments I cant see my comments but I think u can!Yes

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Congrats, now do you have anything else to contribute to this or is it a dead debate?

Well can u see this comment the one right now! OK now about roxas with Vens soul and body begins!

You sir are an idiot. The whole time we could see your comments. And because of this, no one cares about this anymore.--Evnyofdeath 19:41, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

                                                                                            Im no idiot I wasnt sure if u could see my comments cause I coulnt see them!But now I know u can yes!

Ok just go comment on talk roxas ok this is TO CONFUSING THIS THING IS HAVING eerors!

Sigh. Whatever. Make any edits you want, but be warned. if there are no scources for it, the edits will be reverted and eventually you will be blocked. --Evnyofdeath 19:49, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

....ARG.

• ACCORDING TO THE SECRET ANSEM REPORT:

In other words, both the Nobody called Naminé and the Heartless—proof of a lost heart—are extremely unstable beings who lack the bodies needed to produce a Nobody. Therefore, they also lack Kairi's memories. One reason for this maybe that Kairi's heart did not return to the darkness when separated from her body, but rather migrated to another vessel...deep within Sora's heart.

That is, Naminé is an alter ego of the Kairi who has directly interfered with Sora's heart. Could this be why Sora and those hearts are connected to him were able to have their memories controlled? She is a "non-being" in the truest sense of the word; having not even become a Nobody and with nowhere left to go, she is but the most fleeting of shadows. As I have written before, she is a most unusual being.

Born of the same process as a Nobody, but lacking virtually all the elements of a Nobody. I believe that Naminé was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi's hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously. Naminé emerged as Kairi's Nobody...but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.

Apart from Naminé, Nobodies retain their memories of their time as humans, but Sora's Nobody, Roxas, has lost Sora's memories.

This is likely because Sora's time as a Heartless was short, having recovered his heart and returned to his human form soon after leaving behind Roxas, his Nobody. It would seem Roxas is much like Naminé. Naminé is Kairi's Nobody, but came into being via Sora's body and soul. Likewise, Roxas is Sora's Nobody, but was left behind because Sora's Heartless regained human form using Kairi's heart instead of his own.

It may be that Sora's memories are slow to return because the half of him that Roxas is still lacking.

• THIS MEANS THAT:

1. ROXAS AND NAMINE DO NOT FOLLOW THE NORMAL RULES FOR NOBODIES
2. SORA'S BODY AND SOUL WERE THE CATALYST FOR NAMINE'S CREATION, BUT SHE DOES NOT POSSESS THEM'
3. ROXAS HAS SORA'S BODY AND SOUL, JUST AS HE SHOULD.

Furthermore, ACCORDING TO NOMURA HIMSELF:

• ROXAS ALSO HAS VENTUS'S HEART.

That's it. That's the situation. Do not argue with this, it's what the story explicitly says.Glorious CHAOS! 19:56, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm man I was wrong I gotta change my theroies.But if u said is true then Namine is like a hologram she has no memories no componets shes not even a nobody shes something else!

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Why do you think everyone refers to her as a special nobody?

Cuase she is a nobody of a princess and has power over memories!

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA whatever, this conversation is over

Ok but theres still a mysterie why roxas looks exacly like ventus and why ventus looks like sora!