Talk:Keyblade of Heart

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Where

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. Where did the name "Keblade of People's Hearts" come from?

KrytenKoro - "An education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease. It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on." TALK - This is the only official term for it, given by Nomura in the Director's Report.

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. Thank you, Sir.

What's the Japanese name? I wanna see if I can come up with a translation that's less...I dunno, lame. No offense. But something like "Keyblade of the Hearts of Man" sounds better, right?—Urutapu 17:16, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Hearts

Nitrous X Merry Christmas! — I have identified the scent. It is...Christmas! "When did that happen? You were always terrified of Santa before-" Do you think the Princesses of Heart could summon this without being in a comotose?

Common sense says no, because if they're not comatose, they'll need their hearts with them. Their hearts fused to form this Keyblade, and for that, their hearts should be out of their bodies. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 01:14, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Nitrous X Merry Christmas! — I have identified the scent. It is...Christmas! "When did that happen? You were always terrified of Santa before-" Darn... I was hoping to use it in the fanfiction I'm writing, but sleppy Kairi won't work.

Well now that Nomura-san has detailed everything (almost), we can only watch and wait. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 04:10, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Dark Keyblade

Though I had expected it to be removed, I'm still curious as to why this is so when this Wiki itself uses that term for it frequently. Doreiku Kuroofangu 10:20, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

We have a name for it, and "Dark Keyblade" is never used in official material, to my knowledge. If it is, we can readd it.Glorious CHAOS! 20:08, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Alright then, but if we have an official name why are we still using fan-coined names? Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:05, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Still waiting on an answer. I'm fine with using the official name, I'm just looking for some consistency as all. "Dark Keyblade" is even the phrase being used on Wikipedia, and like I said before I see the term used a lot in the fandom. Doreiku Kuroofangu 08:01, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

I've no idea, honestly. Has it been referred to as the Dark Keyblade in any of the guides (Ultimania even) ? If not, then I think we should switch it to Keyblade of People's Hearts. Agi Idup Agi Ngelaban ! 08:04, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

It's already titled that. I had added a bit "also known as the Dark Keyblade". Besides using the term in pages, the Wiki here also has a redirect with that name. I'm just saying, if the fan name is going to be used here, whats the harm is noting it on the page itself? And if the fan name isn't going to be used, why are we using it? Doreiku Kuroofangu 08:31, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Hm. Weird. Agi Idup Agi Ngelaban ! 08:33, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Since no one cares enough about the Dark Keyblade thing, something else to bring up. Apparently BBS mentions this Keyblade in Xehanort Report #6. Taken from a GameFaqs forum:

"Report 6, there are three types of keyblade, keyblade of the world of light, of the world of darkness, and of one's heart. The keyblade of one's heart is a by product of the war, without it, you cant reach Kingdom Hearts. If to collect 7 hearts of pure light, you can complete the Keyblade of One's Heart, to open Kingdom Hearts. if one could open Kingdom Hearts, it means one can obtain all worlds and people in their hands"

Just a note, obviously the translation is spotty but it seems a reference to this Keyblade. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:33, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Judging by the fact that it uses exactly the same name, yes.Glorious CHAOS! 06:55, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Incomplete

"As an incomplete Keyblade, it lacks a keychain."

Where is this stated, the reason it doesn't have a Keychain? There could be several reasons, unless the above has been directly stated. Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:31, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don't remember hearing that either. Maybe I missed something. Or speculation? Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.

Drake Clawfang - Anger and hate are supreme....power and control are pretty nice too. TALK - 04:34, February 3, 2010 (UTC) I had assumed that it lacked a Keychain because it was an artificial Keyblade, though given where the series has gone, what does and doesn't count as a legit form of Keyblade creation is kinda hard to tell.

It's hard to say where this Keyblade really came from. It was either created in KH or is a really ancient one. Hard to say which. Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.

KrytenKoro - You should have figured out whether bodies age without their hearts, Nomura. TALK - Well, it's outright stated that it's incomplete, by Leon, and then by Nomura.

Drake Clawfang - Anger and hate are supreme....power and control are pretty nice too. TALK - 14:02, February 3, 2010 (UTC) No question that the Keyblade is incomplete. The question is, is that the reason it has no Keychain?

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Theory time! I think that if the keyblade contained Kairi's heart like originally planned by Xehanort's Heartless (Thus completing the keyblade) then it would have a keychain.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} That make sense

As of birth by sleep's release this and the dead ones in the Keyblade graveyard are the only ones without keychains.No Idea what that means but there you go.204.211.185.107 15:12, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Besides, aren't all Keyblades artificial? Xehanort's Report stated that, all Keyblades, Realm of Light, Realm of Darkness or Keyblade of Hearts were created by men, the X-Blade being the only one not really "created", being alongside Kingdom Hearts instead of work with it like the other... to my knowledge just the Keyblade of Hearts and the X-Blade can interact with Kingdom Hearts entirely, and Kingdom Key and Kingdom Key together, being the representative Keyblades of each Realm... 192.168.1.1 12:18 (GMT), February 02, 2011

Move Template

The Yoshiman 97 - "Mario! Is that really you?" TALK - 00:02, September 27, 2010 (UTC) Is the template still needed? The Keyblad of People's Hearts seems to be the only name given to the Keyblade.

Like the template says, the Xehanort Report gives it a modified name.Glorious CHAOS! 04:14, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Yoshiman 97 - "Mario! Is that really you?" TALK - 20:23, September 29, 2010 (UTC) Alright, didn't see that.

Just Clarifying

Zaqaree - Cinderella: Your Grace, please wait. You see, I have the other slipper. TALK - Lady Tremaine: FFFFFFUUUUUUU-- The KOPH unlocks the Final Keyhole, NOT THE KEYHOLE OF HOLLOW BASTION. Thank you.

The quote specifically says it unlocks the Keyhole of Hollow Bastion.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 04:12, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

"Of" or "in"? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 04:26, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but however, the Final Keyhole in Kingdom Hearts IS Hollow Bastion's keyhole... or at least, the artificial one. You have wormed your way to the very nadir of repugnance. - Erry 06:10, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, but since its role, function, and origin are different than the natural one, can it still be called "the Keyhole of Hollow Bastion"? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 06:13, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

It probably can but it does not protect the heart, so isn't Hollow Bastion still prone to Heartless attack? In addition to that, I just started wondering, why didn't Hollow Bastion fall to Darkness and end up in End of the World. Unless an artificial heart was made within the artificial Keyhole, not only that but would the place where that contraption which appears in End of the World, that the corridor with the Heartless Emblem actually leads to the door that leads to the true Keyhole? That the true heart of Hollow Bastion is within darkness, now released but still prone to Darkness overtakes? I think I just confused myself. ._. You have wormed your way to the very nadir of repugnance. - Erry 06:39, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Radiant Garden is also known as the "City of Light", so it's completely possible that it has a significant place in the universe, like Land of Departure, and that the "final keyhole" is it's Keyhole. Either way, when you lock the "final keyhole", the game tells you that Hollow Bastion has been locked.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 15:52, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Zaqaree - Cinderella: Your Grace, please wait. You see, I have the other slipper. TALK - Lady Tremaine: FFFFFFUUUUUUU-- The Final Keyhole =/= Hollow Bastion's Keyhole. The Final Keyhole can be formed anywhere as long as the 7 Princesses of Heart are gathered. The Final Keyhole leads to the End Of The World and forming the Final Keyhole itself unlocks the Door To Darkness.

Based on?(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 07:08, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Zaqaree - Cinderella: Your Grace, please wait. You see, I have the other slipper. TALK - Lady Tremaine: FFFFFFUUUUUUU-- "Only by gathering seven hearts of pure light--hearts completely devoid of darkness--may one forge a Keyblade of heart and open the door to Kingdom Hearts." Quoted from one of the Xehanort Reports.

Zaqaree - Cinderella: Your Grace, please wait. You see, I have the other slipper. TALK - Lady Tremaine: FFFFFFUUUUUUU-- "Suddenly, a strange door appeared. I'd never known of its existence. It had a large keyhole, but didn't seem to be locked. So I opened the door. What I saw on the other side mystified me. What was that powerful mass of energy?" - Ansem Report 5. Xehanort didn't have the hearts of the Princesses of Heart when he saw this keyhole in the Castle. Proves that the Final Keyhole =/= Hollow Bastion's keyhole.

Ok, is this just a question of what to call it? Because I agree that we shouldn't really be calling this one the Keyhole of Hollow Bastion, since there already was one. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 06:39, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "Punch your lights out, hit the pavement. That's what I call entertainment. Causin' problems makes you famous - all the violence makes a statement." TALK - That is bizarre, then...Sora had to seal something to save Hollow Bastion, but all he's ever shown sealing is the keyhole through the door. Sure, I guess. I was wrong, it's not HB's personal Keyhole. However, what's its actual name?

Zaqaree - Cinderella: Your Grace, please wait. You see, I have the other slipper. TALK - Lady Tremaine: FFFFFFUUUUUUU-- The keyhole that Sora seals is Hollow Bastion is the Final Keyhole formed by the seven Princesses of Heart.

Move

This should be moved to "Keyblade of Hearts". Having looked through the Xehanort reports in BBS, that's what it's called, "Keyblade of People's Hearts" I'm assuming is a fan translation of the original Japanese reports. DoreikuKuroofangu 17:48, 12 May 2011 (EDT)

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! When Xehanort said "Keyblade of hearts", he was referring to the category as a whole. Keyblade of People's Hearts refers to this specific Keyblade. So I don't think it should be changed.

Me eitherAlVan 18:03, 12 May 2011 (EDT)

"Keyblade of People's Hearts refers to this specific Keyblade." - and where do you think that name comes from? DoreikuKuroofangu 18:24, 12 May 2011 (EDT)

EDIT - My mistake, forgot about the Director Reports. Could someone link me to them so I could read for myself please? DoreikuKuroofangu 18:33, 12 May 2011 (EDT)

We don't have the originals, though heartstation should (It's in the KHII ultimania, I think). The name of the Keyblade appears in the BbS ultimania, as I recall, which is where I got the nihongo. I believe you are right about "Keyblade of hearts" being the correct dub name, but we have not yet been able to confirm that the Japanese version of the game uses the "Hito no Kokoro no Kīburēdo" name in that Xehanort Report. There was a move template up at one point, though I don't know what happened to it."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 03:09, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

Contradictions

Does anyone else notice that a lot of the supposed functions of the KoPH that are stated in BBS also seem to be contradicted by it? Xehanort's & Terra's Keyblades, which are by all indications Keyblades of Light, have also been shown to be able to affect hearts. And one wonders how Xemnas managed to create Kingdom Hearts if "without this Keyblade, Kingdom Hearts is forever beyond one's grasp."75.195.105.180 18:20, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

What says the KoPH is the only one able to affect hearts? As for Xemna's KH, I can only speculate that because it was forced into creation by fusing the collected hearts instead of occurring naturally, as the other one did, Xemnas had another way to access it. It's only fair to note, however, that we'll never know how he planned to do it, since his Kingdom Hearts was broken before he could access it normally. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 19:20, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Up until I read that Report, I was fully willing to accept that there were multiple ways to get to Kingdom Hearts, & that a Keyblade might not even be needed. But he brought it back into the plot specifically to say that it's the only way to do it. As for the other thing, to quote Ansem, "Unlike yours, THIS Keyblade has the power to unlock people's hearts." Okay, you could give a weak handwave that he was being an Unreliable Narrator for one reason or another, but that still begs the question of just what is so special about this thing.Neo Bahamut 08:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Sephiroth0812 - Let's see what this "Light" of yours can do! TALK - I see, so that's a keyblade... - 09:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC) The thing that is special about this one is that it does not only unlock hearts (any keyblade in the hand of a qualified master with the knowledge can do that), it also unlocks the darkness in that heart, as evidenced by unsealing Maleficent's dragon form when used on her. Why do you think Sora became a heartless? Because his darkness was overflowing his heart due to the influence of the KoPH. Losing your heart doesn't automatically mean you will become a heartless, you also have to be overcome by darkness. As for Xemnas' KH we need to keep in mind that this one was different than the one seen in BBS and "glimpsed" in KH 1. Xemnas' KH was made by capturing human hearts and force them together to form a Kingdom Hearts, the one in BBS and KH 1 is the original, real Kingdom Hearts which is made up of the hearts of whole worlds (including the human hearts). This one is, as known so far, reachable by two methods. Either by using the seven princesses to open the Door to Darkness which leads into the dark realm where KH resides (long method) or by using the X-blade to summon KH directly to you and then use the X-blade to unlock it.

Master Xehanort can also unlock the darkness of the heart. Case in point: Vanitas. The only thing I'm really noticing is that the KoPH allowed Sora to do it without all of the dark powers & experience supposedly necessary.Neo Bahamut 19:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

KH1 also indicated that there was only one, legendary Keyblade for each realm, with the KoPH being an artificial anomaly. Any attempt to reconcile its presentation in KH1 with the overflowing glut of Keyblades we get in KH2 and beyond ends up being nonsensical or having plot holes, especially Nomura's official attempts.

The current retcon seems to be: Riku was incorrect, anyone can unlock hearts; the X-blade is necessary to open the door to the true Kingdom Hearts, an immediate union of all worlds' hearts that you can use to instantly rewrite the universe, while the KoPH and possibly other Keyblades (see KH2) can only open the door to the artificial Kingdom Heartses created by manually amassing the hearts of people and worlds.

Although, knowing Nomura, this will be retconned again, with some handwave that Xehanort was also mistaken, or that it was really SoraBackFromTheFuture writing the Xehanort Reports.192.249.47.177 19:57, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

As far as I can remember, KH1 just implied that there was only 1 Keyblade, & also contained numerous hints that this may not be true.Neo Bahamut 18:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Mickey's, too. The hints could be taken either way, though; especially since it was presented as a legendary item that chooses its wielder, it could easily have been that its last wielder was a duffer. KHBbS decided to go with "It was intrinsically meant for Riku and yet went to Sora instead, despite plenty of dark-wielders having Keyblades of light and Riku eventually making his heart just as strong as Sora's." A lot of the meaning of Sora proving he was more worthy for the Keyblade was lost when Nomura wrote it so that Riku just said "Eh, I'll just make a new one."192.249.47.177 22:01, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Official Name

As per the Xehanort's Report VI the official name in the localization is the Keyblade of Heart axing the people's part out of it.

Despite it being a year since I requested it, no one has yet provided the Japanese text used in that place in the Xehanort Report, as mentioned above. Once someone does and we can confirm that they are the same (instead of similar terms where one could be the specific name and the other is a group name), then we can move it.192.249.47.177 13:37, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I believe that would be here in the Director's Secret Report V when he first talked about the 3 types of Keyblade? I don't believe its been referred to any other way as anything else but I may be wrong. Anyway the thing has always been referred to by the keyblade's family type but never a specific name I think? --Lycropath 10:37, 8 May (PST)

Incomplete χ-blade?

So according to KH3D this is just another incomplete χ-blade or is it not? --ShardofTruth 17:18, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Component-wise, maybe, but I doubt the processes for creating them are similar to each other. I dunno. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 23:43, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I think the χ-blade would be considered a Keyblade of People's Hearts, because it is formed by a heart of darkness and a heart of light - though KH3D seems to indicate that it doesn't need pure hearts, but just lights and darknesses. So maybe the χ-blade is its own type of Keyblade altogether; I'm not sure. LightRoxas 02:06, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Light Hearts = Dark Keyblade?

Anyone noticed that despite being made from hearts of pure light this keyblade has a dark appearance? Seems kinda odd don't you think? I often wonder, does it take on a dark appearance because it's being use by a dark entity? If so, then if it were wielded by someone with a just heart, would it have taken on a lighter appearance? Blackchaos27 05:01, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind. Probably irrelevant. Blackchaos27 21:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Renaming to the Keyblade of Heart.

Here is the Japanese text for Xehanort's Sixth Report

キーブレードには３系統ある。 我々が使用する、光の世界のキーブレードと、 闇の世界のキーブレード、人の心のキーブレードである。

闇の世界のキーブレードは、闇の世界に存在するとされ、 我々の使用する、光の世界のキーブレードと対となるもので、 どちらの世界の側から使用するものかという違いでしかない。

そして、３つ目の鍵、人の心のキーブレードは、 キーブレード戦争によって、世界が再編された時に誕生したもので、 この鍵がなければ、キングダムハーツに近付けないようになっている。 心に闇を持たない、７つの純粋な光の心を集める事で、 人の心のキーブレードが完成し、 キングダムハーツへの扉が開かれるのだ。

そしてもしもキングダムハーツの扉を開く事ができれば、 すべての世界、すべての人を掌握する事も可能であると言える。

As you can see the name written here is Keyblade of People's Heart (人の心のキーブレード) so per the official localization the name would be the Keyblade of Heart.

So could we get this thing renamed?

- Lycropath August 08 4:31 AM (PST)

Any particular reason "heart" is lowercased in the article title? I assume it's to match with the Xehanort report, but frankly, I can't read Japanese. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 17:21, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

To match the Xehanort report, yes. There is absolutely no backing to the assumption that "Heart" is meant to be an uppercased "term"."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 18:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of which (and if you haven't seen my talk page yet), sorry about the whole messed up earlier. I didn't know that the H was supposed to be lowercase since when I saw this section, it was capitalized. Sorry for the messed up, Kryten. :(--NinjaSheik 19:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Sora

Should he be listed as a wielder?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 06:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't see why not. He did use it.--NinjaSheik 20:07, 8 April 2013 (UTC)