Forum:More Walkthrough Matters

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Verdict:Walkthroughs will be hosted at khwiki.net

The Inexistent - All the world's a puzzle, and I the one who made it so... TALK - EVIL has come... at last... Yesterday at the Roundtable, one of the items I had asked to be discussed was when we should start creating walkthroughs. However, only a few seconds into the matter, it veered drastically off subject. Prod and bud were wondering why we were hosting the walkthroughs on the wiki as opposed to on, say, Strategy Wiki. Since neither side of the argument could be satisfied, we decided to move on in the agenda, and move the issue to the forums. The procedure will be simple: we will have a vote. If you prefer to have walkthroughs hosted off- wiki, place your vote there. If you want them here, place your vote there. Discussion will be below. The vote concludes at the end of August.

Votes to have walkthroughs at StrategyWiki

Please post where you would rather host them in your vote

Votes to have walkthroughs at khwiki.net

1. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 20:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
2. Keyblade0
3. See response below.—Preceding unsigned comment added by KrytenKoro (talk • contribs) 20:55, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
4. Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 21:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
5. However, would it be a bad idea to have it on both sites?AlVan 22:12, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
6. Chitalian8 22:58, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
7. LightRoxas 00:28, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
8. LapisLazuliScarab02:24, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
9. UnknownCheisā ^{—— Red like Roses} 02:29, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
10. The17master 11:59, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Votes to have walkthroughs on both

1. I don't care if it's redundant, it's the best choice we got if we want to satisfy both sides. You have wormed your way to the very nadir of repugnance. - Erry 00:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

The Inexistent - Dusk, Light to Darkness... TALK - The great transition. I feel hosting them off- wiki would be completely pointless. It would just be easier to host them here. Hosting them off- wiki would demoralize editors, be less illustrative, and extremely redundant. If you read the meeting logs, I listed several other reasons there. But every time I asked, it was never answered. Why host on SW? Is there a good reason? I do not feel that there is.

• I'm not voting, as I'm just suggesting an alternative. But to answer the question of why, the basic goal of StrategyWiki is to have the best, most detailed, fully illustrated guides on the net for "every" game. Having some of the biggest fans of the Kingdom Hearts series, combined with the experience/skills of the guide writers/layout people at StrategyWiki, could create some very nice guides. The goal is to be a single stop for anyone looking for a game guide. If they want more in depth information, they're pointed to Kingdom Hearts (or the relevant series' wiki). And vice versa, if the person is looking for guides, they can come to SW, and find guides for whatever game they need. -- Prod 20:24, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy." TALK - We have the images, infrastructure, and links here, and we already have many pieces of walkthroughs and appendix material, like Mythril or Blitz. It doesn't make sense to have a collected, centralized version of all that material that is not on our wiki. Furthermore, placing the walkthrough on a separate wiki makes it much more cumbersome for editors to keep track of the edits that are occuring to the walkthroughs. The goal of our wiki's walkthroughs is to be fully comprehensive. As far as I know, that jives with strategywiki's scope. If strategywiki is willing to have the walkthroughs be regularly synced between the wikis (same articles on both wikis, so that they can be worked on by editors from both wikis without requiring anyone to lurk a wiki they aren't already), then that is a perfectly acceptable option. But it simply makes no damn sense to have the walkthrough there and not here. Summary: The walkthrough must be here. It can also be there if they want it.

• Some of the problems with that is matching policies for both sites gets more difficult. I'd say it's up to the guide writers though to keep things synced, since it's technically their edits, and wouldn't want to randomize attribution (unless that's ok with them). I would also suggest taking a look at 3 of our "complete" guides: Kingdom Hearts, Chain of Memories, and Re:Chain of Memories (ok, 2.5 :P). As for links, we can set up interwiki links for very easy linking between sites. We've actually got a very good partnership with Bulbapedia regarding linking to the extra info about items (for example on this Pokemon R&S page, all the bulbapedia links). -- Prod 22:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

@AlVan - yes, it would be extremely redundant. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 23:00, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? There really doesn't seem to be any advantage for us hosting the walkthroughs on a different Wiki, other than draw traffic away from our site. It is simpler for the editors and readers to at least have the walkthroughs on this Wiki. As for hosting them on both, I'm not particularly opposed, but it seems like an unnecessary hassle to have to maintain both of them. Scenario A: The walkthroughs on both sites are the same, which would be needlessly complicated to maintain. Scenario B: The walkthroughs on both sites are different, in which case there's no need for us to be involved at all, since the editors on both Wikis can do their own thing. It really sounds to me like what the SW wants is an affiliation with the KHWiki, which is a different matter altogether.

My goal is to get something like what we have with NIWA, but with SEIWA. The small ones link to us for walkthroughs, cause they don't have any, and we link to them for the over-arching series stuff (which is generally outside our scope). With arger wikis we set up full partnerships: we link to them on main pages, with interwiki boxes, and if they have something like detailed info on moves, we link to them for that as well. They link to us from their game pages for walkthroughs, and afaik, most don't have their own walkthroughs; they just point to us (notable exception being bulbapedia, though they still do link to us from game pages). As much as I wish it helped our traffic, the referrals from all the NIWA wikis combined comes to less than a percent of traffic. For me, it's just the ideology of people who play the games writing/correcting game guides in one centralized location. And it wouldn't be only one sided, we'd be sending visitors your way as well (you'd have to talk to the wikis we link to, can't tell how much we send their way).

I'd like to reply to some of the criticisms above, but I'll leave it at "it's up to the guide writers, take a look at what we do". At this point, I think I've covered all the points I've wanted to. If you have any questions, I'd be glad to answer them (here or on #SEIWA). -- Prod 05:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, sorry, one more. @LapisScarab: I agree that it would be a lot of work, and wouldn't ask that of anyone. Our guides will be built irrespective of what happens here, so it's just a question of if you guys want to "officially" partner with us, or editors just edit wherever they want. -- Prod 05:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)