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KrytenKoro - "I'm the doctor, I'm the patient. Don't forget that - it's important! If you love me like I love me, everybody will be sorry." TALK - Okay, this is crunch time people. We'll do this in two parts. We've all said our bit before, so it's decision time. Also, we NEED to contact bulbapedia, SmashWiki, and WoWWiki, and figure out how their situation is going.

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Initial vote

THE INITIAL VOTING IS NOW CLOSED - Oct 29

Move or no? Move (ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 14:30, October 26, 2010 (UTC) Erry 14:39, October 26, 2010 (UTC) 14:54, October 26, 2010 (UTC) The17master 15:01, October 26, 2010 (UTC) --I'm so bored 15:05, October 26, 2010 (UTC) [[ Soxra ]] 17:40, October 26, 2010 (UTC) Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono 19:50, October 26, 2010 (UTC) LapisLazuliScarab21:39, October 26, 2010 (UTC) Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 21:42, October 26, 2010 (UTC) ShardofTruth 21:52, October 26, 2010 (UTC) KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. --Random!to a point! 22:40, October 26, 2010 (UTC) BlackSoulBlade 22:48, October 26, 2010 (UTC) ShadowsTwilight Falcos 18:27, November 10, 2010 (UTC) LightoftheDarkness 20:19, October 27, 2010 (UTC) Sephiroth0812 21:56, October 29, 2010 (UTC) Don't move SeanWheeler 21:03, October 26, 2010 (UTC) LightRoxas 21:09, October 26, 2010 (UTC) User:Master Vantius --Master Vantius 00:08, October 29, 2010 (UTC) Where to? THE VOTING IS NOW CLOSED - Oct 29 ShoutWiki 14:55, October 26, 2010 (UTC) The17master 15:14, October 26, 2010 (UTC) (ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 14:30, October 26, 2010 (UTC) Wikkii Erry 14:39, October 26, 2010 (UTC) maggosh 15:58, October 26, 2010 (UTC) While I think private hosting is the best option, it's not feasible for a community like this. [[ Soxra ]] 17:41, October 26, 2010 (UTC) BlackSoulBlade 22:49, October 26, 2010 (UTC) LapisLazuliScarab23:15, October 26, 2010 (UTC) Lapidothtill 23:19, October 26, 2010 (UTC) Falcos 01:05, October 27, 2010 (UTC) Private hosting Please provide comments on your proposal I've already stated what I though would be optimum, through the utilization of MediaWiki. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

REVOTE

If you agree to a revote based on the new circumstances, please replace your name here with your signature. All previous voters must agree to revote for it to proceed.

• The17master02:58, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
• BlackSoulBlade
• Erry
• Falcos 07:24, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
• JfHavoc
• (ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 16:18, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
• Lapidothtill 17:22, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
• LapisLazuliScarab20:04, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
• LightoftheDarkness
• LightRoxas
• maggosh 21:57, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
• --Master Vantius 22:12, November 9, 2010 (UTC)Master Vantius
• Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 16:23, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
• Randomnessity
• Riku's Love
• SeanWheeler 02:01, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
• Sephiroth0812 20:03, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
• ShadowsTwilight 16:40, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
• ShardofTruth
• SilverCrono
• [[ Soxra ]]
• The Inexistent
• You better cut the pizza in four pieces cause I'm not hungry enough to eat six

I decline the revote. maggosh 16:28, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

THE MOTION IS KILLED, THE MOVE TO WIKKII WILL PROCEED AS ORIGINALLY PLANNED. CAPSLOCK IS FUN.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 16:29, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Dammit, Mag! --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 17:03, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

I second Neumannz's outburst. --^DTN 00:17, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

And I second DTN's seconding. -- 02:42, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Even though I didn't vote the first time (big mistake), I second Havoc's seconding of DTN's seconding. KKD

I agree with these guys^--ShadowsTwilight 02:54, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

^this BlackSoulBlade 03:08, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

What they all said *points up* Erry ♓ 03:56, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

I concur with the majority. --"Never fear ... Superdog is here!" ^{Yipee! :D} 04:10, November 10, 2010 (UTC)Superdog1123

So basically, Maggosh, you've got yourself a looooooooot of people pissed at you right now--ShadowsTwilight 04:13, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

If my vote counts, then you have it! Bud0011 04:22, November 10, 2010 (UTC).

Okay, I revoke my declination. Back to the Continuum! *snaps fingers* maggosh 05:39, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

I revoke my vote because enough is enough, Wikia isn't complying and the current situation is that this place is becoming a fan-based wiki while the official is going onto the new server/database. Erry ♓ 16:14, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I suppose I could follow suit with Erry... maggosh 16:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

So, does this mean the re-vote is on? What will we be voting on, exactly? --Never fear ... Superdog is here! ^{Yipee! :D} 05:43, November 10, 2010 (UTC)Superdog1123

It appears so. Hopefully, the vote should be clear, like:

• Move to independent server
• Move to Wikii
• Stay here

Bud0011 05:49, November 10, 2010 (UTC).

Aaaaaand we're back where we started--ShadowsTwilight 16:22, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Which is where? Bud0011 16:29, November 10, 2010 (UTC).

Where we are without question, without a doubt moving no matter what anyone has to say about it--ShadowsTwilight 16:32, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

And is that Bad? Do you guys have somewhere to go? Bud0011 16:36, November 10, 2010 (UTC).

Whatever happened to making a SEIWA? y'know, a Square Enix NIWA? I'D vote for that. --LegoAlchemist 16:50, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Only 3 people showed up in the IRC yesterday: myself, the NIWA coordinator and Zyeriis. I am still interested in helping set it up. Bud0011 16:56, November 10, 2010 (UTC).

• REVOTE! Hangon - ^{All you need is love! ♫} 13:50, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the yo-yo, guys. >_> maggosh 21:57, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yo-yo sums it up pretty damn well. Will you make up your mind already? i don't mean to be rude but your constant flip-flopping is starting to make me dizzy--ShadowsTwilight 23:13, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Of What Remains

Bluer says at 14:04, November 7, 2010 (UTC) I was contemplating opening a new forum thread, but if it's concentrating on the same topic, I don't see the point, so I'll just open it here. Assuming the move will remain with the status quo of its purpose, I propose that the Wiki that remains here gives leeway to more fan content. Kingdom Hearts is after all nothing without its fans. Also, real-world content should be given more coverage. Whatever was worked upon here should remain, fixed if broken, improved if healthy. We'll have to be lenient with it now that Wikia is taking a more Facebook-y approach. Every user out there have been great thinkers and movers so far, we can do with more positive and constructive ideas for the remaining wiki

Lapidothtill - What sound does an Arctic Tern make, Col? TALK - BACKSTREET BOYS? I agree with more real world content, but what exactly does more fan content entail, exactly?

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 15:01, November 7, 2010 (UTC)   Would that be like the fandubs that were done by KH-Vids and that other site?

Bluer says at 15:10, November 7, 2010 (UTC) Not sure about the agreed definition, but fan content would mean, to me, anything made by fans that have significant coverage. Something fanmade that was talked about somewhere, that kind of stuff. Prolly you have a better idea of it.

Lapidothtill - What sound does an Arctic Tern make, Col? TALK - BACKSTREET BOYS? Oh, that makes sense.

maggosh The steel is forged... — "Souls as far as the eye can see..." "If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else." So, if I'm understanding you correctly, we take a FFWiki approach and allow articles for things such as Dead Fantasy and Dion Rogers' Rinoa?

Bluer says at 15:38, November 7, 2010 (UTC) Wikia wants to be all "fan community", yeah? Let's give 'em that, starting with "fanwankery".

maggosh The steel is forged... — "Souls as far as the eye can see..." "If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else." Wait, you don't mean to go as far as to allow stuff from the Fanon wiki be posted here, do you?

We'll have to see. Perhaps we can set a criterion somewhere, or not. That and real-world coverage. ^BLUER一番 15:43, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I assume that includes stuff like coverage of interviews and VA and developer profiles and that kind of thing, right? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 15:49, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 15:51, November 7, 2010 (UTC) EDIT CONFLICT: Regarding fan content, there would have to be some sort of regulations or rules that would limit what kind of fan content that would be added to the wikia, right? We couldn't let every single KH-related Youtube video (e.g. lol kingdom hearts) have an article. What would be the acceptable fan content?

Lapidothtill - What sound does an Arctic Tern make, Col? TALK - BACKSTREET BOYS? If we allowed fanon material to be added here after the move, wouldn't that cripple the already existing KHfanon?

Acceptable fan content is up debate. Same as real world. How much substantial info would it add to the fan community of KH? Its up for debate. As for that crippling KHfanon, depends on what KHfanon contains. ^BLUER一番 15:57, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

About adding fanon content, I think the more topnotch material should be allowed - Avastar: Kingdom Hearts, for example. maggosh 16:04, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "Oh, you mean I was supposed to lie." "Lea, we don't have time for this." — 16:08, November 7, 2010 (UTC) So, pretty much just merge the KH and KHFanon wikis?

Bluer says at 16:13, November 7, 2010 (UTC) That could be one way to interpret it. But I'm not sure if KHfanon wanted to follow KHWiki and move or remain with wikia. Either way, I'll have to sleep on it now, since I'm working tomorrow so we'll probably have more proposals to work on.

KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT." TALK - I just wanted to say that I absolutely, 100% support Bluerfn's proposed changes, especially a re-merger of khfanon and khwiki on wikia. Also, wikkii will work, according to their admins, so I will start the installation this week. However, due to the complaints about this vote, and the new option of the Square portal, we can start a revote on where to move if you guys want. It needs to be pretty much unanimous amongst those who voted already, though, 'cause we cannot allow your votes to be ignored against your wishes.

Dan - I wanna line the pieces up... yours... and mine... — 17:33, November 7, 2010 (UTC) I support the addition of more real-world articles, but I can't say I'm keen on the idea of merging the Kingdom Hearts and Fanon wikis... It would cause a lot of confusion between articles, and possibly vandals trying to change the content of a user's fanon... If we do end up merging them, I'd just like to suggest creating a "Fanon:" space, or something similar in order to reduce confusion...

maggosh The steel is forged... — "Souls as far as the eye can see..." "If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else." I was thinking more of a maintenance template geared towards identifying fanon material. Fittingly, it would have a fanon character "sprite", such as the one in this talk bubble.

Uh uh, no way! We are not having fanon stuff on this wiki. I approve of having articles on voice actors, but fanon will have to stay on the Twilight Town Library. SeanWheeler 17:45, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

maggosh ...the flint is struck. — "Maybe I should punish you after all." "Come on! Show a little backbone!" Who made you boss all of the sudden? We need to differentiate from the other Wiki, and this would create a big enough difference. If you want it to be fanon-free, be my guest and move to the other wiki.

Lapidothtill - What sound does an Arctic Tern make, Col? TALK - BACKSTREET BOYS? I don't think that's up to you, Sean, that's why we're discussing it. The idea of merging them isn't completely ludicrous, but I agree with Dan, it would be hard to monitor all that info. The creation of new article would get a little jumbled as well. But, the template idea sounds the most reasonable right now.

That may not be up to me, but I still don't like it. Putting fanon stuff on this wiki will make it as unreliable as Uncyclopedia. If we want to attract fans, we wouldn't be putting up lies and confuse them. SeanWheeler 18:07, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Lapidothtill "As lightless oblivion devours you, drown in the ever-blooming darkness!". Well, if there's a Fanon template on every fan made article, they wouldn't be lies. The consumer would be properly informed, therefore causing minimal confusion.

@SeanWheeler: I think you're being overzealous and confusing the point of the two wikis. The current KH Wiki - the one that is moving - is intended to be purely devoted to official information on the main articles, and unofficial topics are contained on things like the forums. Once the wiki moves, the Wikia-Wiki will change in some way to differentiate the two; having it be a fan-oriented database is, I think, a good idea.LapisLazuliScarab18:21, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't really want to move. You know yesterday, I looked at the Oasis skin, and it is starting to look better. Sora's page is still readable, and so is Donald and Goofy's. In fact I looked at the forum, and it looks good. Wikia is improving the skin. Fixing the bugs. And we still have Monobook. SeanWheeler 18:29, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

1) Once again, this isn't just about us not liking the skin (though that is a big part of it). It's about how Wikia is forcing the skin on us, and that readers are still stuck with Oasis. The only thing Oasis has over Monobook (to me) is a better recent changes page, which readers won't see much anyway. 2) If you don't want to move, then don't. No one's making you. I you want to keep voting on TKW, fine, do that, but do it on the oved wiki (or the original one if they continue the contest as well).--LapisScarab 18:36, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy." TALK - There's a few weird spots with the situation, such as the guy having bcship without us knowing who he is, the database not being up to date, the address being different from what we agreed on, and the funding situation being unclear, but some guy has already set up the kh wiki at a new site.

porplemontage owns this site, in which you can find out other wiki's he helps with. What was the domain you guys agreed to? Bud0011 20:21, November 7, 2010 (UTC).

Too bad that new site doesn't have Monaco! Why couldn't people get Monaco on their new sites if they miss Monaco so much? SeanWheeler 22:33, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

KingdomKeyDarkside - But then, when all hope had died, and the hour of doom seemed at hand... TALK - a young boy clothed in green appeared as if from nowhere. ~ 22:39, November 7, 2010 (UTC) I've stopped opposing the move, and I'm leaving with the wiki (though I'll still be here), but I just wanted to pose a (semi-rhetorical) question. What happens if we leave, and things change for the better here? I know it's a bit of an extreme, but would we have the ability to move back here if conditions proved better later on down the road? EDIT: I'm not saying that it's gonna happen, or that we're gonna want to, my question is purely theoretical.

Chitalian8 As if! — You can talk all you want, but that won't change a thing. You've really put Organization XIII in a pickle. — 22:52, November 7, 2010 (UTC) Sean, if you bothered to read the wall-o-text forums, you would know the answer to your question. True, they are a pain to read, but it will probably answer all of your questions.

Well, I'm coming in late to this section, but I support this new turn, although the KHWikia wiki would still stay high up on a google listing with all its activity. That could be a problem. Second, who the hell set up the db? Thirdly, this answer is a little late, but to anyone out there who still dislikes the move because it would be "wasting all that hard work we put into it" is wrong. That is crap. To put it in a simple form, pretend that there are two folders on your hardrive, nothing else. One is named kingdomhearts.wikia.com, and the other is named new wiki. Now suppose that the Wikia folder is full of files, documents and images and such, and that the new wiki folder is completely empty. Moving is basically highlighting everything in the wikia folder, copying it, and then pasting it in the new wiki folder. Nothing was lost in this process. Finally, Sean, the new sight can't have Monaco because Monaco is not a public skin. It is owned by Wikia (if this has changed, please inform me). KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. No, please, don't merge this wiki with the fanon wiki >_< KKD also brings up a good point.

Okay, I looked at the Anti-Wikia Alliance database and Kingdom Hearts Wiki isn't up there. Don't we need to register to the Anti-Wikia Alliance to move? SeanWheeler 23:35, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 23:44, November 7, 2010 (UTC) The AWA isn't something official, we need no one's permission but our own to move.

Not a requirement, just a really good idea. Bud0011 23:51, November 7, 2010 (UTC).

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Also, if wikia-khwiki plans to use a more fan-based approach, why not introduce "Theory" subpages, like Lostpedia/Heroes Wiki? I think it could get pretty fun/interesting. What do you guys think?

Lapidothtill - What sound does an Arctic Tern make, Col? TALK - BACKSTREET BOYS? that could be very interesting

Sephiroth0812 - Let's see what this "Light" of yours can do! TALK - I see, so that's a keyblade... - {{{time}}} The Anti-Wikia Alliance, huh? I wonder why wikia allows this on their forums...I mean, the bigger this list gets the more bad publicity, isn't it. However, the reason KH Wiki is not yet up there has to do with the fact that the final moving location isn't yet clear, or did I miss something here?

First of all, TNE actually originally singed us up for the AWA. Second, the AWA is in no way offical. Third, why would we have to register with them to move? Fourth, I like the idea, but don't listen much to me, as I will no longer exist, er... inexistent on kingdomhearts.wikia.com. AND, for all noobs reading this: do not start doing fanon stuff yet. Nothing is hammered out. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

I also wonder why Wikia would let people put forums like that on community central. In fact, why don't they threaten to block all the patriots? Sannse, a Wikia staff member responded on our forums without threatening us. Remember when we thought we were going to lose Monobook until I discovered the week before the deadline that we are keeping it? Maybe they were planning on losing it, then they decided to keep it when fans complained. And also Oasis' purpose is to improve accessability on Wikia. It has a few bugs but they are improving it. Look, Wikia is more lenient compared to us and the patriots. In fact, they may even give us back Monaco at a later time. SeanWheeler 01:36, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Um, no, they said that Monaco is gone for good. It will never return. And, if you read anything at the top of the AWA page, Wikia knows that it wouldn't do any good to delete the content. It would still exist and would most likely be restored. The patriots aren't banned as it would violate Wikia's banning policy. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

@Inexistent: "fanon" =/= "fan-based". --LegoAlchemist 01:53, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, maybe Monaco is gone for good, but we still have Monobook. And the reason why they switched to Oasis was because some people didn't like Monaco. And they wanted some way to improve the site. They didn't mean to shove a bad skin down our throats. They are improving Oasis for better navigation. SeanWheeler 02:06, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

ARG ARG ARG. For the like 10th time, only the registered users will see Monobook, anons will see Oasis, and they will format their edits accordingly. Chitalian8 02:10, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

That is not the point. Wikia is improving Oasis. They are trying to make Oasis easier for newer Users. They are trying to help improve their site. Oasis just takes getting used to. That's all. SeanWheeler 02:16, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

The thing is, they're not changing the core issues, like the reduced width, as well as the adjusted galleries. This isn't about getting used to, it's about actually making the wiki look like crap. Chitalian8 02:29, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sean, enough. The move has been decided, there is no changing that. Either give ideas for where we should move, what the original Wikia should become, or stay out of the discussion, you're making us go in circles. And by the way, we know they didn't mean for the skin to suck as gloriously as it does, but they totally meant to force it on us. You can't "accidentally force something on someone.LapisLazuliScarab02:34, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Not to beat a dead horse, but this is my summery on the situation:

Wikia is a horribly company that cares nothing for the fan's that contribute to it's community. For example, see this. Wikia buy's wikis with empty promises and lies, and then forces it, along with all wiki's under it, to have it to use wikia own's extensions and customizations. Being on your own would give you more control over the wiki and be run by actual fans, not faceless cooperations. Bud0011 02:38, November 8, 2010 (UTC).

Calling Wikia "horrible" and "faceless" is a bit of an exagerration. They are honestly trying to give the layout an easier interface. It works on some levels, and I see where they are going. However, the fact that this is such a template-heavy wiki gives us problems, since we have formatted so many of our changes to Monaco/Monobook. But to accuse them of such things as "empty promises and lies" is a huge overstatement. Chitalian8 02:43, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sean, Oasis was not started because people didn't like Monaco. Wikia has a tendency to update things that need no update... but they went to far this time. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

Well...I read all the posts in here thus far, and have to agree with the majority who feel the wiki should be moved...I just want to know where...I saw Wikkii got the most votes, so is that where KHWiki is going, or is it going to the site from porplemontage? Eyestothesky 11:58, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy." TALK - Goo-goo-ca-choo: We can install monaco on any new site. I have personally spoken to Sannse, and she has told me where we can get the code, although we would be responsible for maintaining the skin at the new site. I don't think we ever thought monobook would disappear (since they said it would remain from the beginning) - the problem with it is that Oasis is the mandatory default, meaning only registered users can see monobook. If the new wiki ever decides to come back to wikia, and the wikia version is okay with that, there's two ways about it: Carefully reviewing every page for edits that can be merged into the wikia version. performing a full database dump from the new site, overwriting wikia's version and any edits made since the move. -So, it's possible, but a lot harder than the move out. We do not need to do anything but move in order to move. Wikia operates under a copyleft license, meaning that anyone, at any time, can copy all of our content, as long as they preserve the edit histories. Wikia is a profit-oriented company that is focused on bringing in new hits and users. The main disconnect between us and them is that they basically view the quality of the wikis as a happy accident, while we view it as the primary goal, to the exclusion of all others. Wikia is not evil or bad, they just have a completely separate goal from us, and operate towards that goal. This move from wikia is due to our own goal having become opposed to theirs, making our continued partnership unsustainable. Theories subpages would be an excellent idea, I think, and while I don't plan on participating in them at all, I would suggest that they be maintained responsibly, rather than being treated like an internet forum of some kind. Well-built essays or academic proofs would be astounding. We are going forward with a planned move to wikkii, but due to the recent changes in our circumstances, we may hold a revote if all previous voters acquiesce to the poll at the top of the page being nullified. (If anyone really wants a revote to be held, please make sure those who voted above are aware of the opportunity).

Revoting

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 15:57, November 8, 2010 (UTC) I wouldn't be opposed to a re vote, as I've recently become quite fond of DTN's proposal for a Square Enix Portal similar to NIWA.

I also wouldn't be opposed to a revote. The Oasis skin is horrible, but I don't like changes such as moving. Also I think merging with the fanon wiki would be a terrible idea. Even if we move, we should protect the wiki from vandals. Having fanon on this wiki would encourage vandals to put fanon stuff on the facts pages such as the Unknown from Birth by Sleep being Ansem the Wise (that happened once). Also I would want the Wikia Wiki to be no different than the new wiki. SeanWheeler 20:34, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

...Sean, that is the worst possible idea for what to do with the wikia wiki.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 21:04, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

My guess is that many people here haven't experienced Wiki's outside of Wikia. Bud0011 21:10, November 8, 2010 (UTC).

Sephiroth0812 - Let's see what this "Light" of yours can do! TALK - I see, so that's a keyblade... - {{{time}}} Probably, as for me, I quite often use the Jedipedia, the german version of the Star Wars-wiki. Although they're interlinked with the Wookieepedia they're not on Wikia themselves...

Well, maggosh stopped the fricken' revote, so now that is useless, and, guys: THE WHOLE POINT OF MOVING IS SO THAT THE WIKIA WIKI REMAINS HERE TO BE CHANGED IN A MANNER THAT MAKES IT MORE FAN BASED. HAVE YOU READ ANY OF THE BLOODY PREVIOUS CONVERSATION? KRYTEN IS RIGHT, CAPSLOCK IS FUN. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA really, i thought it was all about sending wikia a message on what happens when it doesn't listen to its community. anyways, i think allowing fan-based content here would be pointless. we already have a fanon wiki

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. .....again. "fanon" =/= "fan-based" "fanon" is events or concepts interpreted or simply invented by "fans". This usually implies alternate or made-up stories, not speculation on actual events. If you look at the actual fanon wiki, we have a strict ban on almost everything that could be even considered canon, meaning that the opportunity to add fan-thought-of material on the actual series is pretty slim. Meanwhile, "fan-based" means that the community and the "fans" get more of a part to play on the wiki, which includes adding sections with more speculation (such as harmless "Theory" pages). This is as opposed to a strict "official, confirmed only" rule, like we have now. "fan-based" could also be more open to technically "unofficial" images, such ripped renders and such (of course, there'd be a limit to what could be used and what not). And quite honestly, I would like it if the wiki really toned down our "official only" policy. Speculation, while it distracts from the real article, is interesting in some forms. However, too much of it is an eyesore.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you put any at all, and it's not an encyclopedia, it's a fan-site, and considering how Wikipedia is supposed to be the online encyclopedia, that kinda defeats the whole point, now doesn't it

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. ...*facepalm* Are you even listening? That's what we've been discussing for the past week: Making this wiki into a fansite so that the new one can be the official, high-class encyclopedia one, seeing as that's clearly the direction wikia wants to go with this new layout. Also, wikia =/= wikipedia.

Bloody hell, what does everyone keep saying the word "official"? We are not official in any way. Seriously guys, if we were the official KHWiki, SE would be hosting us, not Wikia. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Well, let's talk about re-vote. It was shot down because it was too early to open it. So... should we have a re-vote? I say yes.

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 05:32, November 9, 2010 (UTC) I also agree to a re vote! I do not believe that all suitable options were available in the main vote. (Not counting the fact that there was a category for specifying anything). So it's more like, not all suitable options were known at the time of the original vote... or whatever. I second the re vote, just saying.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 06:45, November 9, 2010 (UTC)   Same. It would be nice if Maggosh included an explanation of his declination a reason why he blocked the re-vote. I think creating a "Theories" namespace would be a brilliant idea. I realized while I was thinking it over that I myself would have a number of essays I could contribute along those lines, just from stuff I've been mulling every so often. Making this more community based would be an excellent move. BUT THAT IS NOT FANON. Fanon is the invention and insertion of random/fan-created characters/concepts/events into the established storyline, i.e. FAN-FREAKING-FICS. THOSE are what the KH Fanon Wiki are about, fan fictions. If you want to merge it with this wiki after the move, then whatever, though I doubt I'll have any patience to contribute to it in that case. I already don't. And the most important thing isn't really to send Wikia a message of any kind, but rather to find an environment where we can do our thing without having to worry about interference from the proverbial Man. It doesn't matter a lick to the relocated wiki what happens to what's left behind, as long as it doesn't step on our toes by trying to compete as an encyclopedia.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Also, I think the option of merging fanon wiki and KH wiki is slim for a couple reasons. From what i gather, our community here isn't too thrilled about the idea, and neither is the one on the fanon wiki. The KH Wiki in no way owns the fanon wiki. It is a separate bar with its own community and should be treated as such. Everyone on fanon wiki that I've asked is not interested in a merging, anyway. I agree with Neumannz ^_^ Just thought I'd point that out. Let's not get off topic. Now, re-voting. Shall we have one?

LightRoxas - "I'm proud to be a small part of something bigger - the people it did choose. TALK - "I am who I am, because of them." Yes we should have a revote, I've changed my mind. We should also have a vote about what to do with this space.

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "Oh, you mean I was supposed to lie." "Lea, we don't have time for this." — 22:13, November 9, 2010 (UTC) I agree on the re-vote.

Master Vantius - The light and darkness must be equal to bring balance to the worlds. TALK - Master Vantius 22:38, November 9, 2010 (UTC) The decision to move is said and done. I think, we should vote over the fate of this wiki and what direction the new one will take. I personally would input my 2 cents to theory pages about plot holes and questions regarding the series.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA unfortunately this has already been discussed. The re-vote would be called if all those who had voted above agreed to it, and with Maggosh saying that he was against the re-vote, the motion failed. sorry guys, no re-vote

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Cite your sources, please. When did maggosh say that he was against it? Just because he closed the page doesn't mean he's against it. Disregard that completely.

Popping in here for a second. You aren't having a re-vote because one person who voted originally, doesn't want another vote? I fail to see the logic in how that is fair. One could easily deny the re-vote just because the option they would vote for anyway, was the winner of the previous vote. I do not, personally, know what he voted for but, does that really matter? It is still unfair on the aforementioned basis.--Zyeriis 03:25, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

I know I'm just an anon, and thus my opinion may not be taken very seriously. I've been a visitor and reader (I've even made some edits) of this wiki for some time now. I completely understand and agree with the decision to move. I like the Square-Enix Portal idea the most, as that seems to benefit the most wikis, including yourselves. I also agree with Zyeriis, just because maggosh doesn't want a re-vote, that automatically means the rest of you can't? Shouldn't the majority rule? The majority ruled with the original vote, so why can't the majority rule with the vote on taking a re-vote? Again, I'm just an anon, but I have been reading this thread for while, since about a week before Oasis became the default. 66.215.20.249 03:44, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

So do we have a plan yet, or no?Mar 03:45, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

So yeah...um...Like that anon, I'm not much more than a casual user, and sometime editor (ffwiki, obliviowiki, wowwiki, not here yet), but like many others despise the changes wikia has been making. Personally, I feel moving is probably best for the quality of the wiki. Irregardless, I have to agree with Zyeriis; it's pretty crazy that there isn't going to be a revote because just 1 person doesn't want to...I could understand if half the people didn't...but this is just one person...it's clear that a revote is wanted... Eyestothesky 05:27, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

maggosh The steel is forged... — "Souls as far as the eye can see..." "If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else." Granted. *snaps fingers*

Okay, guys, I don't think you understand how the revote decision was working. In real life, if you don't like the results of an election, you can't just say, "Well, the previous vote didn't count", and keep voting until you get what you want. The revote decision wasn't a vote in and of itself, it was a statement that those who voted last time wanted their votes thrown out. That's not a decision that anyone but them can make, and it's not fair to have them be ignored just because you don't agree with their vote.

But anyway, maggosh has rescinded his declination, so as soon as the other voters agree to the revote, it can proceed. (Arg, right as I had arranged free time to install on wikkii, too.)(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 13:46, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well that was the point...I don't understand. Your example isn't identical to this situation for starters. Note: I am completely aware that "arguing" further about this, is absolutely pointless but I have some free time while I am relaxing after work. How do I put this...why would someone agree to the re-vote, if what they previously chose, won. The other people who clearly wish to change their vote based on previously unknown options (the options were options prior to the original vote, they were just not on the ballot) would cause this person to make sure that they get their way by simply saying no to the re-vote (You are voting on whether or not to re-vote, which I simply can't seem to understand). How is re-voting, ignoring their votes? Are the banned from re-voting as well? Again, I completely fail to see how "wanting their votes thrown out" is any different than re-voting.--Zyeriis 21:20, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

maggosh The steel is forged... — "Souls as far as the eye can see..." "If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else." Well, Kryten, I hate to ruin your free time; I could resend my declination.

Oh please Got no.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 16:47, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sephiroth0812 - Let's see what this "Light" of yours can do! TALK - I see, so that's a keyblade... - {{{time}}} I've no problem with a revote, since originally I just voted pro-moving in general and not specifically where to go. Since I'm relatively new and not that knowledgeable in technical terms of wikis I refrained from choosing a moving destination because I don't know which serves KH Wiki best. Although I admit I'm quite fond of that idea with the Square Enix Portal, the question is: Is this the best solution for KH-Wiki? And if it is don't we need the FF-Wiki, Dragon Quest-Wiki and other Square-Wiki's on board too? If we really do a re-vote and someone could enlighten me a bit more on the differences between Wikii, the Square Portal and/or private hosting and other options I may be able to cast a more specific vote. I just want the best for the wiki come out of it...nothing more...

Here is what lies in front of you, based on the amount i've learned in the past month:

1. Move to an independent server - See this for a list of Pro's and Cons.
   • a) Move to prople's server - Don't need to pay for his service, and he is an experienced wiki host (He owns SMW, SSB Wiki).
   • b) Move to an independent server (other than prople's) - Pay for service if not externally hosted by a benefactor.
2. Move to another Wiki farm - have a similar to the one relationship with Wikia, but with better staff. Don't have to pay for their service, as it is ad based. See this for more information
   • a) Move to shoutwiki - one of the most popular Wiki farms.
   • b) Move to Wikkii - Seems to be a decent Warm.
3. Stay here and learn to deal with the skin

I hope i explained this well. If not, i could try explaining it again. Bud0011 20:37, November 10, 2010 (UTC).

Sephiroth0812 - Let's see what this "Light" of yours can do! TALK - I see, so that's a keyblade... - {{{time}}} Thank you, Bud0011, i'll take a detailed look at it. That'll help me to get a clearer picture.

Happy to help. Bud0011 22:10, November 10, 2010 (UTC).

The Inexistent - Pitiful users, mindlessly collecting information. The rage of an edit releases this knowledge, and they all come together, to form: The Wiki!!! TALK - And on the Wiki these words appear: "My name is The_Inexistent, user of users: Look upon my edits, ye Mighty, and despair!" Okay, can we start this again, please? From all my experience of dining with old people, I've noticed that the more time they have to look at the menu, the more they change their minds. SO, with that in mind, can we reorder with our new selections before the chef gets too far along with our previous order? BUT, we can't think about it for too long, or else we'll want to order something different from this preverbiale menu. So, can we just revote, as I'm sure a lot of others are going to be voting for private hosting through a SEIWA idea. Thank you.

For any one who doesn't know, See here for the SEIWA idea.

Also, Do you guys plan on making a new thread for revoting? Bud0011 08:27, November 12, 2010 (UTC).

I agree with the revoting. I really hate how Oasis is forcing people to move. I don't want to move because the only wiki sites I go to are NIWA, Wikipedia, and Wikia. I don't want to move to a new wiki site. The anons could create accounts can't they? And also turning this into a fanon wiki would drive away people who want facts and research. Also people could get used to it after a while, although it could take longer it is pretty awful. There are a few people who like it. I am not ready to move. I would revote to stay on wikia. SeanWheeler 01:54, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sean... what are you not getting here? We are not moving just because of Oasis. And you mentioned that you mainly visit Wikipedia (not a Wikifarm site), Wikia (obviously), and the NIWA. We want to make our own version of the NIWA with Square Enix wikis. And what is wrong with moving to a new sight? We are not losing any info, or Monaco. The only thing we will lose are our edit counts, but a good editor shouldn't really care about that. And dude, anons can create accounts on every thing that runs MediaWiki. Or do you mean that the anons could edit? Because, if you haven't noticed, they do that here, too. Next, THIS IS NOT GOING TO TURN INTO A FANON WIKI. HAVE YOU READ ANY OF THE ABOVE CONVERSATION? And the other point of that is that people come to the new site for the facts and information. After delibarating for so long now, most people have decided that moving is the better option. Please consider what I have said. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

On an unrelated note, this reminds me of the American Civil War. Everyone thinks it was because of slavery (our Oasis), when it was honestly that and a lot more. Hear that, Sean? --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono 02:44, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Except Inexistent's wrong, this is all about Oasis, that and the fact that Wikia doesn't listen to it's own community. We may try and say it's something more than that, but in truth it really isn't. I mean seriously, do you mean to tell me that if Wikia suddenly opened it's ears and brought Monaco back this second and everything went back to the way it was, you would still be adament about moving?--ShadowsTwilight 02:50, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Bud0011 - "Hey, it's just like that old goat says: Rule#11: It's all just a game" TALK - Bud0011 03:18, November 13, 2010 (UTC) Wikia has A history of negative relations and business practices. It is just now, the users and contributer's are realizing it.

Well, like Silva said, this is like the Civil War. Sure, Oasis sparked it, but it lead us to see other things, like our expansion requiring something more, and Wikia's unfair hosting practices. And, through this dividing war, we have seen the fact that we can now be better off another way. So yes, Oasis started this movement, but it isn't the whole problem. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

When you aren't forced to look at it, you don't tend to notice it. If Wikia is jerking us around discreetly from the shadows, the end-users don't notice it. Plop a new skin that ruins everything in front of them, and they'll revolt. That's what's going on here--because people can see the change now, they look at the bigger picture and see just what Wikia's doing. [[ Soxra ]] 04:37, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

WE WILL NOT LOSE OUR EDIT COUNTS. IT IS COMPLETELY POSSIBLE TO EXPORT EVERYTHING, AND IT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY.

OASIS IS THE CULMINATION OF WIKIA'S SLEIGHTS AGAINST CONTENT.

ARG.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 06:45, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Arg. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 23:43, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Stay on topic, people. Overdramatic hyperbole like "this is war" don't help any. Sean, you're derailing the conversation again. Literally all you will be doing different once we move is typing in/favoriting a different web address. Also, we are not revoting the move, we are revotin where we'll move to.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. I thought that that was the thing we were revoting on in the first place...!

There's no reason to revote on whether to move, nothing has changed. The revote was because the option of private hosting w/ SEIWA was brought up after the original votes. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 00:48, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. I thought everyone was aware of that? =_= --LegoAlchemist 00:49, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Apparently SeanWheeler was not, but he doesn't seem to read any of the comments anyway, so there's no reason to be surprised.LapisLazuliScarab00:53, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Bud0011 - "Hey, it's just like that old goat says: Rule#11: It's all just a game" TALK - Bud0011 00:54, November 14, 2010 (UTC) So, are you guys getting funding from SEIWA? i was unaware of this.

Okay, maybe it is turning "fan-based" and not "fanon". But haven't you read Bud's three choices? The third one was "to stay here and deal with the skin." Oh and about the last comment, I don't know if we are getting funding or not. A wiki gets funds from those advertisements right? Well I don't trust ads. Let's just get back on topic. Are we revoting or not? SeanWheeler 15:25, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Bud0011 - "Hey, it's just like that old goat says: Rule#11: It's all just a game" TALK - Bud0011 18:03, November 14, 2010 (UTC) Yes, the there is going to be a revote. But they want to understand the options in order to run a better vote this time around, before actually running it

I believe the choices are what you said in the above comments: Move to an independent server a) Move to prople's server b) Move to an independent server Move to another Wiki farm a) Move to shoutwiki b) Move to Wikkii I think that’s all that anyone’s proposed so far. Forgive me if I’ve left out anything. CaelumLucisCaliga Talk! - My dragon eats tofu like it's water! I don't think highly of myself. I think lowly of others. — 00:30, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Bud0011 - "Hey, it's just like that old goat says: Rule#11: It's all just a game" TALK - Bud0011 01:26, November 15, 2010 (UTC) nope, i think you've got everything covered.

You forgot no. 3: "Stay here and deal with the skin". SeanWheeler 20:45, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

maggosh ...the flint is struck. — "Maybe I should punish you after all." "Come on! Show a little backbone!" Sean, one more time and we'll have to deem you illiterate.

HAVE YOU PAID ANY DAMN ATTENTION? Sean, please, listen to me this time. Nothing is changing, except the address you type in at the top of the screen. Kryten even said that Wikia will let us use Monaco. Heck, Wikia might even be proud enough to let us port in Oasis for those who really think that it is beneficial. BUT, on top of that, we are moving FOR SURE. The revote is for WHERE TO MOVE. We're moving no mater what, comprende? KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

CaelumLucisCaliga updated his Facebook profile at 01:31, November 16, 2010 (UTC) Sean, I’m gonna say this the nicest way that I can. We’ve already decided to move. The question is where. We are looking for where to move now, because we are for sure that we are moving. The Kingdom Hearts Wiki community is moving no matter what. We are moving. Thank you for kindly reading this message. You get it now? :)

Can someone clarify if you guys are moving? /sarcasm Are you going to re-vote anytime soon, seems like things aren't progressing at all at the moment.--Zyeriis 01:39, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

CaelumLucisCaliga Talk! - The only thing sad about Final Fantasy X... Is that it leads to Final Fantasy X-2 — 02:08, November 16, 2010 (UTC) we’re just summing up our choices and making them as clear as possible. Yes there will be a revote on where to go but I don’t know when it will take place.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hopefully soon. I have to agree with Zyeriis, it does feel lke we're going nowhere with this

Yes, No, Don't Know?

So as a casual visitor to this Wiki, I've been following this discussion with some confusion and don't really have any clear understanding. Is this Wiki actually moving or not? Yes? No? Don't know? As for me, I like most of the changes that have been made to Wikia - I find most of them very helpful and don't really miss what was taken away anymore. Agent0042 16:35, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Bud0011 - "Hey, it's just like that old goat says: Rule#11: It's all just a game" TALK - Bud0011 18:01, November 14, 2010 (UTC) yes, they are moving. But they don't know where to yet. They are planing on doing a full revote, but they want to fully understand all options avalbile to them, so they don't have another vote like the first.

Thanks, that clears it up. I'll keep an eye out and watch for the revote. Agent0042 04:21, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Bud0011 - "Hey, it's just like that old goat says: Rule#11: It's all just a game" TALK - Bud0011 04:42, November 15, 2010 (UTC) You're welcome. And happy to help.

I have one other question - once the move happens, what happens to the content that's at this address? I mean, obviously, if we're moving, then that would mean something goes from here to somewhere else. So does everything on here just get deleted, at which point the address kingdomhearts.wikia.com becomes an empty shell, ready for someone else to swoop in, should they decide that they want to be the one to host the Wiki for Kingdom Hearts on Wikia? Agent0042 11:05, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Bud0011 - "Hey, it's just like that old goat says: Rule#11: It's all just a game" TALK - Bud0011 17:04, November 15, 2010 (UTC) Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is this wiki will still remain as is - minus a active community to keep it up. One could, in theory delete all the pages in the wiki, but Wikia may catch wind of it and then do what they can to stop it. Look here, where Wikia tells another wiki that the Wikia Wiki will "remain open for whoever decides to remain."

I see. Well, in that case, it seems to me that someone who's perfectly fine with the layout as is could easily request adminship from Wikia and maintain a Wiki at this address. Agent0042 17:45, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Bud0011 - "Hey, it's just like that old goat says: Rule#11: It's all just a game" TALK - Bud0011 18:27, November 15, 2010 (UTC) Very true. And if anyone does that, i Wish them the Best of Luck. My personal Opinions are against Wikia, the company. I have no problems with the people who operate Wikis on them.

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:) So, do I, wish them the best of luck. I'd consider it myself if it weren't for the fact that I have almost no edits here, though that's mainly a matter of just choosing to focus on other projects, rather than a lack of knowledge. Agent0042 19:47, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Bud0011 - "Hey, it's just like that old goat says: Rule#11: It's all just a game" TALK - Bud0011 20:04, November 15, 2010 (UTC) Yea, i mainly here to show support for the independent option and to help in the formation of the Square Enix Portal

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As a matter of fact, one of the major debates right now is what will become of this address. You can read more about that further up this page. Or you can just click http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Where_will_we_go%3F&t=20101116021059#Of_What_Remains