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Uh, is it just me, or am I the only one to not see any changes? Or maybe it's that preference thing, where do I choose the option for the new skin? 17master 16:25, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA go to preferences, go to skin, and click new wiki look, and you will witness with horror as all pages suddenley only take up a quarter of your frikkin screen. whose dumb idea was this piece of $#!+!!!!!!!!!!

KrytenKoro - "Hurricane beats all housing or apartments. This sucker is a Cat-6!" TALK - Please see this, guys. Depending on what our traffic is, ShoutWiki may not be the best target, and if we do move, we need to keep our own copies of the database, updating monthly and held by several editors.

17master "Back. Off." — 16:56, October 6, 2010 (UTC) oooh... glossy.... waith, where the heck did the main page gone to? what the, the game's icons are now covering the link to gallery section! (Sora's page) And why are there usernames scattered all over the article...? what the duck, there are almost no difference in section's heading and it's contains! whoa, whoa, whoa the format is freaking scr*wed! this is worse than I thought it would be! O_O"

Dan - Life's no fun without a good scare! ♫ — 16:57, October 6, 2010 (UTC) I can only think of one word to describe the "New Wikia Look". Horrid. Simply Horrid. This is really pointless, with the "Photos uploaded onto this wikia" feature, the actual article text takes up, what 20% of the on-screen space? I'll take monaco any day... I must ask, is this going to be the default skin for all unregistered accounts, or is it possible to set monaco as the default skin?

Ultima - Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Wow, this new skin is horrible. It's angry mob with pitchforks time. I origonally thought it might be O.K, but after I actually saw it in action, I want to vomit over the Wikia staff. I am now fine with us moving, this is horrible. -17:45, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Organization 13 - What's your problem?! TALK - Got it memorized? *Sharpens pitchfork.

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "It wasn't a compliment." "From where I stood the only thing you drew was a big L on your forehead for "Loser," "Lame," "Laughable"..." — 19:20, October 6, 2010 (UTC) I told you guys. I TOLD you this skin sucked. What do we do now? Commence with desctruction and chaos, and anarchy. ...Or we could find a peaceful solution. Either way, I've got the bricks, chainsaws, and goat sacrifices.

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — You threw me in the acid and then just left me there! What kind of friend does that?! — 19:28, October 6, 2010 (UTC) What the ****? Half of the page isn't even there anymore! God ****ing damnit. =_= We need to do something about this, fast.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - This heart belongs again to darkness. All worlds begin in darkness, and all so end. The heart is no different. Darkness sprouts within it—it grows, consumes it. Such is its nature. In the end, every heart returns to the darkness whence it came. TALK - Your body submits, your heart succumbs—so why does your mind resist? — 19:44, October 6, 2010 (UTC) I don't get it. Won't moving to a new Wiki just cause the changes to carry over to it, as well? Or are we going to go through the pain-staking process of creating a Wikipedia-style Wiki? I honestly think we should get a petition-type thing going to send to Wikia before we consider a move. Better to be civilized than act only on rash actions. Not saying I'm okay with the new skin, it's absolutely terrible! But I'm very confused about all this.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Pretty much everyone has been doing that, ENX. There have been several petitions. The vast majority of feedback comments to this during the development stages was overwhelmingly negative (and well-thought out and worded negative comments at that). Wikia just doesn't give a damn.

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — You threw me in the acid and then just left me there! What kind of friend does that?! — 19:50, October 6, 2010 (UTC) I'm all for being civilized, but this is metaphorically the same to when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. We are past the point of negotiating. We've gotta get a ****ing ATOMIC BOMB, and DROP IT RIGHT ON THOSE ********!

OR, we could find a completely blank wiki farm and have some of our more HTML oriented users screw around with the coding... KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

J.Severe - If light and darkness are eternal, Square Enix and Disney should be too. TALK - The only Final Mix I actually want is Kingdom Hearts 3D Final Mix! There NEEDS to be a Final Mix for a game on a Nintendo console! Well, I'm on the Kingdom Hearts Wiki right now with the new Wiki skin and I've officially NEVER been more disgusted in my entire life. I'm about to leave a stern message on one of Wikia's blog right now and try to reason with them. I may fail, but... eh, ya never know.

Neumannz — Yeah, well, I don't care what the FBI, CIA, RGB and XFL say! I already returned the priceless paintings that were evidence! TALK — No one must see this. DELETED! — 22:50, October 6, 2010 (UTC)   OH GOD-WHAT THE HELL-DAMNIT. KILL IT WITH FIRE! So, do we start looking at destinations, or do we wait for a bit and see if Wikia finally caves to pressure?

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 01:22, October 7, 2010 (UTC) Good news: Oasis can be turned off in your preferences back to Monaco. Bad news: Starting early November, that will no longer be an option. We have about a month left with Monaco before it is completely destroyed, and is no longer available to any Wikia wiki. If Wikia continues to not show any concern for what its editors are telling them, I would suggest that we move. We are not providing our information in a quality fashion while restricted to the New Wikia Look. True, we could customize the skin to be something similar to what we used to have, but the main issues are the spacing, additional Wikia-based boxes to the right, and the restraint of our ability to customize our wiki. I suggest that we wait until the change happens across all Wikia, however. Until then, feel free to get ready to move, but we should wait until we actually see if Wikia makes any changes to their final product. I detest this new skin so very, very much, and I think all wikis planning to leave Wikia are justified in their self-exodus. However, better safe than sorry. Several wikis are going to stick around to make sure that we aren't going to miss out on anything.

KrytenKoro - "I'm the doctor, I'm the patient. Don't forget that - it's important! If you love me like I love me, everybody will be sorry." TALK - DTN has hit the nail on the head. We should spend this time planning the move: finding an acceptable host, working out issues with ads and css if necessary, making the database dumps, etc. However, we should wait until the very last week before starting the exodus, and give wikia every chance to pull their heads out of their bombadier.

UxieLover1994 Tiempo de morder de nuevo con el poder! El tema de hoy: su sorpresa! — 09:51, October 7, 2010 (UTC) If they plan to disable the current skin forever, then the Spyro Wiki is off to Shoutwiki. Why can't the staff see that nobody wants the new skin. I'd be happier if they cancel this whole upgrade. If they ignore us, then they will see that only a few wikis remain.

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 10:02, October 7, 2010 (UTC) Looks like Bleach Wiki won't be going anywhere. I think they decided to 'go along' with the new upgrade. I hope when we and the other wiki moved the wikia's admins will beg for us to come back since there are less than 10 active wikia lol.

UxieLover1994 Tiempo de morder de nuevo con el poder! El tema de hoy: su sorpresa! — 10:22, October 7, 2010 (UTC) You're right! If they decide to use Oasis and disable Monaco forever, they will find themselves empty, lonely, forgotten and hated. I hope they change their minds when they find out that 99% of their wikis don't want the Oasis skin. I heard that WikiSimpsons is planing to move away.

Nice to see a "wonderful" change to the wiki. -_- Agreed with DTN's message. One thing, does anyone think Central Wikia will remove the skin [soon]? Right now, they're having a trial period (that's why each individual user can choose whether they want to use the skin or not, momentarily). My point in saying is, should we spam Central Wikia talk pages/forums about the bloody skin until early November (hopefully they listen). OR do we wait a week or two ("using" the new skin, of course) then spam Central Wikia with complaints saying "We waited <insert weeks/days here>. We still don't like it! <insert rant here>" If we start complaining now, they're most likely to say "Just try the skin for once. Don't automatically toss it out; give it a trial period, that's longer than one day." Another thing under hopes that Central Wikia removes the horrid thing, if they plan to remove it later this month (they might, there's always that chance), I'd hate to see all our preparations for moving time go to waste. Just a thought. Overall, I'm all for starting moving preparations. If there's anything I can do with my current, low, activity, just tell me! Xion4ever Who am I? — 12:19, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

BlackSoulBlade - Keyblades of Light and Dark were locked in combat... TALK - As the great Keyblade War raged! I say we spam them now, the new skin causes more strain on my eyes, which leads to a painful-as-hell migraine.

UxieLover1994 Tiempo de morder de nuevo con el poder! El tema de hoy: su sorpresa! — 12:31, October 7, 2010 (UTC) I visited the Central Wiki today; many wikis are furious! Some have annonced that ether the staff cancel the cancelation of the Monaco skin or they move to ether ShoutWiki or become independet wikis. ZACH and I are planing to move to ShoutWiki if the staff don't listion to anyone and add that skin. I just hope that more people will spam them into keeping Monaco. That staff should not be so selfish when it comes to changing to a skin everyone hates and deleating the ones everyone loves, y'know.

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 12:58, October 7, 2010 (UTC) either they're stupid or they just don't care about us for not keeping the monaco skin

Just click here and sign your name to show that you are aganst this whole nonsence. UxieLover1994 14:07, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...01:37, October 8, 2010 (UTC) Okay, so I decided to check out the new interface. Holy crap...it's crap. The old interface was intuitive, with stuff easy to find, yet allowed for individual styling and adapted to the screen space to fill the page with information. The new style? Hard to navigate and not at all easy to figure out. They've stripped away most of the individual flavor of each wiki. And they now highlight advertising over information. But the locked screen width? That's the killer in my book. Along with screwing up the tables and formatting (as previously mentioned), it makes everything really hard to read on my widescreen monitor, because everything appears smaller. And I'm glad all you young'uns are noting this, because then it's not just the crazy old woman ranting away. I'm not sure what Wikia is hoping to achieve with this reformat. If it's ease of reading and accessibility, it doesn't provide that in the least. If it's making a more "professional" appearance, it really doesn't do that either; professional doesn't mean boring. But if it's putting their name and ads front and center, it's achieved it's goals. I understand it's a free service and they need to recoup costs, but if I can't use it, then I won't visit. I'm not one for sporadic movement, but if the flexibility of the old system isn't returned or made an option, I'm frankly all for heading out, too. Wikia had a good thing going; I don't understand why they decided to stubbornly plow ahead instead of listening to the editors who use their tools. By sheer coincidence, does this reformatting remind anyone else of The Gap's crappy new logo?

Okay, probably shouldn't be here, but what site are you guys moving to in the end? Winx Club Wiki's moving to shoutwiki, and from what I hear, if you import, the skin is barely affected at all. At least, that's what I heard for the banner-across-the-screen thing like we have, and I'm bet it holds true for simpler designs like yours. Oops, didn't mean to ramble. I just wanted to find out where you were moving so I could continue to visit here, this is one of the best wikis I've seen. Roxy13~Dad, I'm a fairy! 01:00, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

we haven't decided yet, but we considered on moving to ShoutWiki 17master 09:20, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Galexgan "Strength of Heart will carry you through the hardest of trials." — 10:54, October 9, 2010 (UTC) It looks like a dull grey news article instead of an established Wiki... As said before, all customization and organization is out the window. @BebopKate: Dunno, but it reminds me of the dingy idea to change friendly and wild Sy-Fy channel to dull grey plain Sci-Fi... Where's the flare? The pizzaz? The special thing that makes it unique from all the others? This goes for both changes in my opinion.

UxieLover1994 Tiempo de morder de nuevo con el poder! El tema de hoy: su sorpresa! — 13:04, October 9, 2010 (UTC) So many non-Wikia wikis... ShoutWiki - Dull, but everyone's talking about it... NIWA - Well, some of our games are on Nintendo Consoles... Pritty hard to decide, y'know!

Whoa, guys, we have overlooked the most difficult but most useful idea. We start from scratch. Now, I know there would be problems, but just a few of the things that could happen if we chose this course of action:

• No one would have to run it constantly. We could have several bots... maybe even one for each namespace. In addition, we could have one bot that acts as a leader.
• We could eliminate the "my home" feature and replace it with two different recent changes pages. One for userspace and talkspace, and one for all of the other namespaces, including templatespace.
• You know how with the Monaco look, there is the "what's hot on Wikia" and the bottom things that recommend other wikis, well, if we retain the current layout we have, we could replace those with ads... targeted ads (possibly another bot].
• Of course, if someone wanted to change the theme, they would have to tell the programmer(s) to do it. We probably wouldn't have a simple non HTML interface.

Well, I'm sure I have more things that I forgot to list... but, yeah... that's about it. Any suggestions? Concerns? KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "It wasn't a compliment." "From where I stood the only thing you drew was a big L on your forehead for "Loser," "Lame," "Laughable"..." — 14:07, October 9, 2010 (UTC) Honestly, guys, we're taking this too far. The wiki can be made better. Example? User:SilverCrono/wikia.css Yep, that's it. Just copy and paste that code to your own page. Simple, just do User:<username>/wikia.css I know it's not a wiki-wide solution, but this code works. How? Well, It allows you to change page width to whatever you want it to be- I put mine at 1000 pixels instead of 300. It takes away those horrible sidebars and Facebook crap that takes up 75% of the screen. It allows better functuality overall. I know it doesn't solve the big problem, but it's just a short term solution. This is big, yeah, but moving... That's even bigger. I say we stay here and find a way to make it work.

Silver, you keep forgetting that this will still make the articles look like tosh to our readers. That is simply not acceptable.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 15:28, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I remembered the other thing I forgot earlier. Your text could be retained separately when you get an edit conflict. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

The Inexistent - Cry Havoc, and let slip the Wikis of war! TALK - I am become The_Inexistent, the destroyer of Wikis. WHY HAVE THESE DISUSSIONS DIED DOWN? THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF GUYS!!!

Wh!te$tarTALK— "You're mixing your truths with your theories." You're mixing your truths with your theories.— 01:01, October 11, 2010 (UTC) YeaH> We need to decide whether to move or not. if we do move, we need to figure out a free domain or soome other alternative.

Bluer says at 13:17, October 11, 2010 (UTC) Personally I'm giving this skin a chance. After all, it's not like we all paid Wikia for the space they have hosted for us. It's really understandable why Wikia didn't give in to the demands of its current users. If the community decides to move out, I wish them the best of luck. All are well-to-do people with enough money to pay for independent servers, right? I'm surprised the KHWiki community didn't consider going independent earlier, if that was the case. If the community finds a free server, then it's all the better. Best of luck to us all, in any case. p/s: I wonder if that Wikia adware virus is going all out now that we have ads strewn everywhere with the new skin.

17master "Back. Off." — 13:55, October 11, 2010 (UTC) whoa, whoa, whoa, VIRUS?! Now THAT's another reason for us to leave this wiki -_-

KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT." TALK - We are also drawing in the readers, and acting as an unpaid workforce. Most hosts let you receive the money from ads, and then you pay them for hosting - we are getting nothing, and still doing most of the work. To be frank, we don't owe wikia anything. However, guys - anyone who wants to move, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE WIKI FARM COMPARISONS. While it is possible for us to be fully independent, I don't think we should be forcing staff to literally own the wiki (and that might rub people the wrong way, too), so we should be comparing the wiki farms for quality. Wikipedia has a page listing wiki farms and comparing them - please, everyone, start discussing that.

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 14:52, October 11, 2010 (UTC) Personally, I prefer ShoutWiki

Wh!te$tarTALK— "You're mixing your truths with your theories." You're mixing your truths with your theories.— 21:30, October 11, 2010 (UTC) Well at Sonic Fanon we're leaving because of viruses, a confusing layout, smaller space for the articles, and Health issues. So, it's alot more than a bad design.

Sannse - <staff />. "Your friendly neighbourhood staffer" TALK - 22:38, October 11, 2010 (UTC) Hi, Viruses? Any site can get attacks, but we haven't had one in quite a while. I wrote a blog post about this a while back. For the rest... yes, I know it's pretty different. A big change for everyone. But one thing I'd like to say is that this is a work in progress. We are still working on changes as we get feedback and start to give information from click-tracking and so on. One thing we are looking at is a special unit that could take infoboxes in to the right column. And we are looking at how to better handle big tables. It's worth remembering that if they are too big for the new layout, they are already broken for many screen resolutions... but we are talking about some other solutions that may help. And the last thing I want to encourage, is for admins to try customizing the wiki. The blue and white look is the default (like the old "sapphire") but you can make it look very different. Have a look at Community Test, or anyone can try out the tool at themedesigner.wikia (even if you aren't an admin). I know this doesn't resolve all your worries, but I hope you'll try it anyway

Yeah, but there's the thing. You ask for feedback, and we give it. What is the common response? Make it an option. Do yoy listen? I think you know the answer. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

File:Prt 2.png - So, yeah. I only had like 10 minutes to make this, but I'll update it hopefully.... Mainly, it is exactly what Monaco is right now, which is the point. If we were to found our own site, I would recommend use of the MediaWiki software. I was also thinking (but didn't have time to) that we could have the background banner go all of the way to the bottom of the screen. So... anyone can update the file to what they think it should look like... KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

KingdomKeyDarkside - But then, when all hope had died, and the hour of doom seemed at hand... TALK - a young boy clothed in green appeared as if from nowhere. ~ 01:11, October 13, 2010 (UTC) I really hate to say this, guys, but I don't think we should leave as soon as the new look is implemented, if at all. I think we should give them one month, starting November 3rd. If everything still sucks come December, we leave, no questions asked. Not that I like the new skin at all, but we may as well give them a chance. A small one, but a chance.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i agree, might as well try it out in day-to-day before we refute it completely, (although im sure the end result will probably be the same) and hey, maybe if we're lucky within this one month Wikipedia might actually open their ears and listen to us about it, fat chance i know, but it's worth a shot

Whoa whoa whoa, who said we were moving right away? The reason this forum was created was for moving, yes, but, we need to figure out what to do before we move. That includes reviewing other wiki farms, starting our own site, or manipulating Oasis enough to make it work. Yes, we will give it a try, but, no matter how good it is, we will all be automatically pre- disposed to it. Tough luck for Wikia. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

iZerox What's your problem?! — 02:09, October 13, 2010 (UTC) I came to check the Wiki only to find it severely broken for me. I tried viewing it both on my pc, laptop and cell phone and it looks real broken on each. I can't even navigate the site properly because the entire side bar on the left is gone. Am I the only one experiencing this or is Wikia begun Armageddon? This is how it appears for me: KHWikiBroken.jpg It makes the wiki almost unusable for me. also it's not in the screenshot but the words WikiaWikiaWikiaWikiaWikia are repeated at the top of the screen.

It's everyone. P.S. I'm Wh!te$tar.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah and it's getting rather annoying

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...02:21, October 13, 2010 (UTC) Ah, so it's not only me, then. I'd try changing my preferences to see if the other ones work, but I can't reach the preferences button because the links overlap. *sigh* Anyway, and for the record, I'm for waiting to see if changes are made in the new format to accommodate our issues. However, I would only be serious about moving if the really big issues continued. And now, back to trying to figure out what the heck is going on.

Yeah, especially since it freezes every 10 seconds... KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 02:26, October 13, 2010 (UTC)   I have it, too, although I haven't had any freezing. Fortunately I still have my "Recent Changes" page open from before it went wonky, so I can still use it normally, but godflameit, what is effing wrong with Wikia?