Talk:Vanitas/Archive 1

He is the Xheanort we know

Look at it this way, "Xheanort" has a habit of stealing his master's names, his "Heartless" armor is also passed down from Xheanort's heartless to Riku, his new apprentice, he even took his master's clothes when he turned into a heartless, also, it is never stated that his name is "Xheanort" It's just the only name he remembers, this makes sense to me, seeing as how Master Xheanort would have been a very powerful figure in his memory.

Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— {{{time}}} Well, it could be him, OR Terra (See my blog about this, and please comment)

I was the one who made that theory NO JOKE visit my home page all that u need to know about that theory is there

Death Messenger - Makes sense. Perhaps Vanitas stole Terra's body, that's why Xehanort is so much like Terra.

Also, it all fits. His name means Vanity or Nothingness. It matches Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas perfectly!

NeutraVega Talk to me, you triple zero!. — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'." *Cue echo SFX* I don't see why it matters. Keep this kind of speculation at KHI. kthxbye

Had I my way I'd have given you a second warning for Wikimisconduct. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 00:02, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

NeutraVega Talk to me, you triple zero!. — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'." *Cue echo SFX* Rofl. For? Where have I committed misconduct exactly here? What vile evils have I unleashed upon thee...?

Heartless Possibility

Has anyone considered the possibilty that the aprentice isn't an aprentice at all, but is in fact Master Xhanort's heartless? After all, in the birth by sleep video they seemed to spit from one being, with one (Master Xehanort) keeping the phisical shape of the original the way that a powerful Nobody does, and the other (the apprentice) becoming more heartless like. Another thing is that the "Apprentice" finished Master Xeanort's sentence in one of the trailers. This did not seem to suprise Master Xehanort or Ven, as if the apprentice should know what his master is about to say. --Hulon2 14:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

If that is so, then MX is a Nobody... which seems rather impossible as he is able to wield the Keyblade. Right ? MX looks like anyone who would have a heart, through and through, even if he's the antagonist in the game, and even if he wants to acquire Kingdom Hearts. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

He would be able to use a Keyblade because, as it says in the article on Keyblades, they are connected to your soul, not your heart. So a Nobody can use a Keyblade because they still have souls. For example, both Roxas and Xion use Keyblades, even though they are Nobodies. As for looking as if he has a heart, who can tell. Axel seemed very heartful to me, but he's a Nobody.--Hulon2 13:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It's connected to the soul of the wielder, who himself has to have a strong heart. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Well, Roxas was able to weild a Keyblade, two in fact, and he didn't have a heart, so maybe it's the same case with this guy. Keyblader 22:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The only reason why Roxas was able was because of Sora. And then, if you think about it, those two didn't act instinctively, did they ? They seemed to have planned every single attack of theirs. Heartless act by instinct alone. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Yes, MX fought like he had a plan, but the "Apprentice" just leapt out and started bashing away. Later, he noticed the tornado of blades and leapt on to it without stopping at all to think.--Hulon2 13:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

And he did it well, didn't he ? Tacticians don't always hesitate during battle. Think Sephiroth. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

I guess we'll know when the game comes out. After all it could be something that none of us have even thought of. After all, if people could figure out they big secret from just watching the trailers, the game wouldn't sell well. They want people to wonder so they make the trailers purposefully vague. Seriously, who could guess that Roxas was Sora's Nobody using only the Another Side Another Story video?--Hulon2 14:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

True. Let's wait and see... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

I think MX apprentice is really the xehanort that we know --KHF 19:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Eh, it really could go either way, couldn't it? I personally doubt that the Apprentice is a Heartless, but you never do know. After all, he uses a keyblade - wethether the blade's attatched to the soul or the heart, it doesn't matter, because then they couldn't both use a keyblade. Then agian, it might have something to do with those chains...or rather, lack therof. No, wait, The Apprentice and MX both have chains. Okay, I'm lost. But, since Roxas did use a keyblade, despite being a Nobody, I don't think it's fair to just shoot down his theroy. The only problem is whether or not a heartless can use a keyblade, which is, obviously, unlikey. But then agian... Yeah, I don't know. Keyblade Mage 13:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

Theroy

Is it possible that Master Xehanorts Apprentice is Xigbar because of how he talked about seeing them before and how he saw xion as ven?

Well their bodies don't match and since a nobody is supposed to look their former selfs with only minor changes it doesn't seem likely.--74.210.24.180 22:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that the apprentice is Xehanort, as in Ansem the seeker of darkness, or Xemnas, that Xehanort. Well, my famous friend from Camp thinks that. Anyway, I agree and well remember how Xehanort had lost all his memories when Ansem found him? We think he took the name Xehanort, like when he went to the dark he called himself Ansem. Also, he's been an apprentice before, and in the Manga, Maleficent screams at Riku "YOU!" and she doesn't mean Riku. She had caused problems for Master Xehanort and his apprentice in Birth by Sleep, and she might be reconizing him. (or however you spell it...)--I<3'slarxel 13:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Keyblader - That's the power of the Keyblade! TALK - Take me to her. Has anyone considered the possibility that Master Xehanort and his apprentice might be humanoid Unbirths? And the fact is, no one actually inside the game production has confirmed that the upper-level Unbirths, like the upper-level Nobodies, actually have to look like their original human counterparts.

And that Ansem the seeker of darkness somehow remained human form after becoming a Heartless. Hmm Interesting...--I<3'slarxel 14:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think that he is related to Spider-Man. I mean, look at his costume! And since Disney bought Marvel, it's entirely possible. JesseRoo

Please, that has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

That guy was in development LONG before Disney bought Marvel.

Here's something that you might be interested in. JesseRoo

Khgurl - The light of Kingdom Hearts, it'll show you the way. TALK - Don't worry, there will always be a door to the light. I was thinking if MX's apprentice is probably a new character we haven't seen before. The possibilities are slim that the apprentice might be Xehanort. If we are right when BBS comes out, it'll kinda ruin the big surprise. There might be a large chance that it's a new character we haven't cross before. And to Keyblader, if the apprentice is a high-ranking Unverse, there could be a high possibility that you're right. Either way, I'm still standing on the side that the apprentice might be a new character.

Although the thoeries sound itneresting i suggest we remove them from the articleAqua00000 20:45, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

The Apprentice hath Spoken!

New BbS trailer at TGS09 revealed the Apprentice's voice to be masculine. Still no voice actor though. Let's get on that. -Ktnxbai!

A name!!!!

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Finally! He has a real name! Just expressing how happy I am about that.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? — 23:35, October 17, 2009 (UTC) Great! ... Um, where did it come from again? EDIT: Never mind, I found it. And yayzorz!

{{Morghman| Vanitas, that kinda sounds girly, but I suppose it has some sort of meaning in Japanese or Latin or whatever. But come on... he's got the whole body builder suit, he's the DARK apprentice, his keyblade is off the chain, and his name... is Vanitas. Ah well, is there a picture of him without his mask?

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Not that I've seen. But maybe someday, keep your fingers crossed.

Picture

Xemwath - You are my living legacy. TALK - SOLDIER 1st Class Zack! Someone with photoshop skills should edit the scan where it only shows Vanitas. Similar to what Master Erauqs's edited scan picture looks like.

Keyblade

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Shouldn't he and his master have pages for their keyblades, since Terra's, Aqua's, Ven's, and Master Erauqs do?

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? — 00:23, October 19, 2009 (UTC) I'll get on Vanitas'. EDIT: Done. Vanitas' Keyblade

Who said his name was Vanitas!?

Coroxn - The Lunar Brigade TALK - "The Hearts A Battle Ground. But It Matters Not The Outcome Of The Battle, Nor How You Battle. Only That You Battled..." Tell ME! It was "Master Xehanort's Aprentice", and now suddenly it's changed to Vanitas! Did Namura say something I missed?!

His name was revealed to be Apprentice Vanitas in this month's VJump. User:JudgmentDay95

Uh, don't spaz, thanks.—Urutapu 22:04, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

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Seventy edits in one day. Absolutely ridiculous. --DoorToNothing^Kupo! 04:49, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

NeutraVega Talk to me, you triple zero!. — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'." *Cue echo SFX* You should've seen Master Eraqus's page. That was a whole new kind of retardation.

Excuse-moi ? There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Hmph! I'm getting really sick of you, NeutraVega. You got WAY too much attitude for a kid!

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Sorry to intrude, but "retardation"? Seriously? For one thing, you have no business saying that and for another, who says "retardation" anymore?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Kids who are immature. Just look at my classmates in school.

Well, guess I'm not gonna break the toy... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:34, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Really? Half the time, I WANT to break the toy. Don't be fool by well behave personailty. I'm quite...Vicious if I want to be. Maybe even a little like Larxene.

Hehehehe, we're just waiting. ^_^ Now if only I could extract Larxene emotions from Chain of Memories. I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:47, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... My dear senpai TNE, I feel the exact same way. However, I could never allow myself to do the things Larxene does, unless someone makes me mad. It's a little thing I like to call acting.

Niiiiiiice. You see, there're a lot more decent people like Unbirth - he knows he's right, but he doesn't go around making a show out of it. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 03:38, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Thanks. And I totally agreed with you about Unbirth.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Well that leads me to believe that he's getting people like you to do the dirty work. :P

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Dirty work? Care to explain by what you mean?

Ha ! If he's counting on us to do the dirty work, he can bloody well do it himself ! There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 23:27, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... As if! He'll just make a scene again.

Even le cynique Kryten can't stand his guts. I guess we'll just leave him there and then let the higher staff do as they see fit. I won't handle him. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 00:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Me either. He's such a brat. He got a lot of attitude for a kid.

Just leave him. We demoiselles know how to go through such situations, don't we ? I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 00:27, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Of course, we do. Guys always takes girls for granted. We're a lot tougher than they think we are!

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? ...what have I started? :(

Never mind about what you started, I FEEL ALIVE AGAIN !!! :DDDDD I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 01:04, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... You didn't start anything. This have been going on for quite some time. And don't mind Madame TNE, she's a little crazy. Hehehe...

NeutraVega Talk to me, you triple zero!. — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'." *Cue echo SFX* Holy crap, look at all this. I had no idea people paid so much attention to my opinions. Perhaps I ought fire up my very own fanclub...

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Don't flatter yourself, you jerk.

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Seriously, Vega, your ego is bigger than the World of Chaos.

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah. Yep and the world that never was to.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Yep. I couldn't agree with you guys more.

What should we add

Should we add that Vanitas and Ven are going to fight each other? I mean in the new trailer they first start talking in The Gathering and then they both whip out their keyblades and get in their battle stances.--Xsonicdragon 01:39, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Xehanort

Terra Fae Odosson - : You came. Even though you're about to break. That's a good sign. TALK - Dilly-dally, shilly-shally. Isn't it time you do the forgiving? It has been my personal opinion that Vanitas is the Xehanort we know for a while. I have had this theory for sometime, before I even joined the wiki. I was pleased to read some other people had the same idea. When I first started reading up on the game I was suprised how little information was released about the apprentice, I almost thought it was suspicious. Any way here is where I posted my theory if any one is interested: http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:Terra_Fae_Odosson#The_Ansem_Theory Of course I wrote this before I heard the Terra theory. Most the information I gathered would support that idea too. sigh. I know some people were annoyed with all the speculation listed. Nomura did state that he left areas open for fans to use their imagination and also so they wouldn't get bored with the series. I think he would enjoy the fact fans speculate and get this excited. I know I loved dreaming there was a great connection between Reno and Axel but now we know who Axel's original self was. Vantis could also be an unversed. I just don't know enough about them really to make a good prediction involving them. I had better ideas when we all thought it was unbirths. I had fun playing around with that.

I wonder what "friendship" ties he had with Aqua and Ven though, if it's really Vanitas... This monster... This is no Unversed. Just a dweller of Darkness. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 05:16, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Riku

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} I have a theory that Vanitas is someway connected to Riku. Look by this way, Riku Dark Mode is similar to Vanitas clothes and also Vanitas seem to be in Riku battle stance in this image.

File:Vanitas Riku Stance.JPG

Thats what i was thinkin!!!.....but he could also be somehow related to terra cuz of ther name retaions which i dont feel like explaining right now...specialy since im in class...oh no teacher! -XeroXero :O

Hope you didn't get caught!:) Any way i agree with the first guy, maybe Vanitas is Riku's uncle or older brother or something that would sort of explain alot of stuff in KH1