Talk:Keyblade War

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Sacul097 - Don’t talk to me about Mondays… or carrots TALK - All statements are wrong... including this one I have an idea about what the keyblade war is. In the secret endings there are hundreds of keyblades on what could very well be a battlefield. I think there was some sort of keyblade wielders school with many keyblade masters (xenahort being 1 of them) and the keyblade wars was the apprentices of many keyblade masters fighting xenahort and his apprentice and a large army of unbirths (the large monster that terra defeated) controlled by MX (which would also explain them being the enemies fought in the game). But both armies were wiped out except for Terra, Aqua, Ven and Master Xenahort and his apprentice. Mickey missed the main battle because he was just starting as a keyblade wielder (we see a clip of his training and he shows far less skill with the keyblade than he does now) and had been kept back by his master Yen Sid, but he snuck to the battle. This keyblade war would also explain why the secret endings are the only times in the game (the multiplayer mode doesnt count) when TAV were wearing their full suits of armor: they had to be prepared for a huge battle. I think it also takes place near or at the end of BbS. --Sacul097 22:41, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Kingdom Potter

The whole school for ____ is extremely overused such as Harry Potter and Yu-Gi-Oh GX. I think that Square-Enix would be a little more original than that, or they could be what they are, Keyblade Knights.

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Sacul097 - Don’t talk to me about Mondays… or carrots TALK - All statements are wrong... including this one Well I don't necessarily mean a school. Just some sort of large group of keyblade masters and their apprentices. I'm just trying to indicate that I think there were probably a lot of keyblade wielders based on the sheer number of keyblades on the battlefield. And I'm pretty sure there is some sort of master/apprentice system because there is master yen sid and mickey is his apprentice and there is master xenahort and the apprentice is his... apprentice. --Sacul097 00:40, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Oh well that makes sense. You really scared me with the Keyblade Weilders School. My only problem with the Master/Apprentice system is that Yen Sid isn't a Keyblade weilder... as far as we know.

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Sacul097 - Don’t talk to me about Mondays… or carrots TALK - All statements are wrong... including this one As far as we know the star seeker could be his keyblade that he gives to all the people he teaches until they get one of their own. Like I said, I think mickey was probably just starting so he might not have a keyblade of his own yet.--Sacul097 01:37, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Remember that in the KHverse (with the exception of 358/2 Days), Keyblades are upgraded with Keychains. Yen Sid isn't a wielder of the Keyblade. But he just gives this keychain. Chances are that he might've given the Keyblade to Mickey, or that he might've got another model on his own. But with Sora in KHII, this "giving of keychains" is definitely the case. There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 01:49, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

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Sacul097 - Don’t talk to me about Mondays… or carrots TALK - All statements are wrong... including this one Only problem with that is the fact that there are only a few keyblades shown in this game so far with a keychain. Even some keyblades shown in other games, such as wishing lamp, don't have keychains. My explanation for this (which I didn't intend to put here because I was originally just talking about the keyblade war) is that all the keychains that we know from the rest of the series haven't been created yet. I think that the few keyblades that are still around in soras time (yes I know he's alive during this game, I mean when he gets the keyblade) are special keyblades. I think that after the keyblade war, since there was no one left to weild the keyblades until the heroes chosen to weild the kingdom keys and the way to dawn (the keys of light, dark, and in between) the essences of all the other keyblades were transformed into keychains. I think that any keychains before this had simply been for decoration and the keyblades created in the present day, such as kairi's, only have keychains because they are created from the soul of the wielder and as such embody their personality and also have keychains because since they are created from the weilders memories, and she has seen sora's keyblade so having a keychain (and being a skeleton key because we know there have been keyblades that werent) are part of what a keyblade is to them. And sorry that this comment is really disorganized, read it a few times and you'll get what I mean.--Sacul097 02:17, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Then again, they always say "The Keyblade's chosen one" - could it have something to do with this ? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:29, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

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Sacul097 - Don’t talk to me about Mondays… or carrots TALK - All statements are wrong... including this one Quite possibly. Sora was chosen by the kingdom key (originally was supposed to be Riku but he turned to darkness), Mickey was the chosen one of the kingdom key D, and Riku got way to dawn as a sort of booby prize (not really but the original chosen one of way to dawn is unknown and riku only got it because he used light and dark) and the keychains were made to be used by these three (although they will probably work with Kairi's keyblade as well) Also, I just remember that there have been instances of people to giving someone else their keyblade, such as when Roxas let Xion use his in days (my favorite level of the game because Roxas gets a stick that he found on the floor as his weapon which doesn't even make any sense because they were in the middle of Beast's Castle which is made of stone) and in the first KH when Riku takes Sora's keyblade. Wow I just realized that I am physically incapable of leaving a short comment. This comment was originally going to be just that first sentence.--Sacul097 02:54, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Well, sometimes when we talk about theories we just don't stop, do we ? There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 03:05, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - Ṱ͐͒H̫̾̃E͈͔͍͔̾̋ͦ̕ ͇̜͖͉̘̬͙̃̇̊͜N͙͉̑̓̌ͤĬ̸͇̖͈͒̃Gͧ͊̈́­̮̠̟͖̝̩H̽͌̀T͚̹̝̐ͬ̂̔̄ ̿̈́̊̃ͦ͆͑A̘̝̖ͪͯ́̀ͣ̿̃͝I̟͑ͬR̡͎̩̚ ̠̪̈́̑̏̏̋C̯̲ͩ́͐͒͂ͪ͜Ä͍̜̣̼̹́͌̋̀͒͂ͅ­N̅͐̆ͪ̓̋ͩ ̣ͮͧͧ͌Ả̼̤̜̫̩̜̾̕L͓͓̺̤̘̠̀W̷͗͂ͦ̾͒­̭̯̼A̘͓̰̠͉͇̬Y̵̒ͧͩ̇ͅS ̦̻̯̟̮̭̟̓̒͑͋C̮̱͔͔̖̯ͦͧͨ͋̑A̤ͩ̉̅ͪR­̞͉̣̦̪̜̮͛̉̎̀ͩ̍̇R̢̥̳̝̟̺̣̈Y͗͋̅͏͇̳­̪͎̺ ̭͈͍̝̣͍̒̎̑͘O̖̗͇̲̲̖͊̈́̿ͨ͑ͅN̩̰͉͍͍͖­͙E̩̹̣̰̣͓̖̽̊͡ ̲̮͔̯̦̋̿ͧͫ̓ͅM͇̌͌̔́O̱̫̯̬̤̗̲͛R̙̽E­̥̦̫̺͙̩̏̒ͯͭ́ ̖̫̯͉̱ͣͯͩ͊͐͆ͫS̰̿̊̑̋ͩ̇ͅC̘̣̜͍̆̆ͧ͜­R̞̾͐̋̆̚Ë̡͇̓A̙͈M̡̤̙̈ TALK - From what we've seen of BBS, the Keyblade master's are way more based on Jedi than Harry Potter or Yu-gi-oh. Riku is a Light-realm Keyblader, just as Sora is. He's not a "twilight realm" or anything. There are also Keyblades for any strong heart, which is why Riku and Kairi have them. You should probably read the Director's Secret Report XIII. Something important to note is that even though Roxas can change his Keyblade's shape and powers with Gears, the Keychain is always the same, except for those Keyblade forms he inherited from Sora (Kingdom Key, Oathkeeper, Oblivion, Two Become One). So, Keyblade form-changing and Keychains are NOT directly related - and the whole leadup to KH2, especially the comments about Roxas (see Oathkeeper/Oblivion) indicate in fact that the Keychain's are symbols of a memory, and that MEMORY is what changes the Keyblade's form - so a true master of the Keyblade could manipulate his Keyblade as he so liked - as seen with the Lingering Sentiment and the Dark Keyblade. The Keychain seems to in fact be a focus for the memory, much like the horse was for Ren Tao in Shaman King.

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Sacul097 - Don’t talk to me about Mondays… or carrots TALK - All statements are wrong... including this one Then why are there keyblades from present day seen in the gathering? And why don't they have keychains? And the forms that Roxas got from Sora are there because Roxas' keyblade is Sora's keyblade. Although you may be right about them being memories as Oathkeeper represents Sora's memories of Kairi. Although this doesn't disprove my theory as the remaining keyblade masters still could have turned the memories of the keyblades into keychains. So maybe most keychains were created by the old keyblade masters to keep the old keyblades around and some were created by more recent people like oathkeeper was kairi's lucky charm that she made out of shells. And maybe Way to dawn isn't a keyblade of in between but maybe it chooses someone with an in between heart like riku (so basically it really was a booby prize for his heart not being good enough for the kingdom key lol). As for the gears, I think they are constructs used to artificially modify a weapon (as seen by the fact that they modify all the character's weapons)--Sacul097 05:32, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

even though riku's is never actually called light realm and merely interpreted and propogated by idiots, to be.71.54.128.176 22:14, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

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Sacul097 - Don’t talk to me about Mondays… or carrots TALK - All statements are wrong... including this one Actually I have to disagree with you there, his keyblade is a keyblade of the realm of light. It says so in Director's Secret Report XIII I can argue about what that means for my theory but I cant change the fact that it is. And by the way, don't insult people.--Sacul097 18:31, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - And when you see me standing there, you'll know you've got a friend with a rock, I mean a big-ass rock. TALK - As said in the Director's Report, there are as many Keyblades as there are people with strong hearts. The Kingdom Key chose Sora, but the Way to the Dawn was chosen by Riku. I was referring to the fact that every new Keyblade in Days has the same keychain. This indicates that the form-changing is related but not dependent on changing the keychain. I have no idea what point you're trying to make with your reference to the Gathering. There is no indication that keychains are from old Keyblade masters. In fact, nearly every keychain is given to Sora by one of his friends, people who often have had no contact with other worlds at all.

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Sacul097 - Don’t talk to me about Mondays… or carrots TALK - All statements are wrong... including this one I was making the point that there are several keys that we have already seen in the present such as three wishes (i think... it was one of the aladin ones) were seen in video Birth by Sleep. And they didn't have keychains. And there was obviously interworld travel so the keychains could have been scattered through the worlds. I think the reason the keys in days all have the same keychain is because of the gears. They were created to artificially change a weapon (any weapon not just keyblades) so they are used to change the shape of his keyblade instead of changing keychains. I'm just making a point that in birth by sleep, most keyblades (including ones we have seen in the present with keychains) have no keychains and now all the keyblades have keychains. So something obviously must have changed to give all the keyblades keychains.--Sacul097 05:38, October 10, 2009 (UTC)