Talk:Braig

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? He looks just like Xigbar, except with an eye!! anyway we could crop and enlarge this? and are there more pictures of the apprentices?

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 21:58, October 1, 2009 (UTC) It's fake, as I know who created it.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Ah! You found a picture of Braig!?! Where is it!?! Let me see! Let me see! Oh, it's a fake? That a shame. I got excited for nothing.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Although i have to say, if SE had any creativity, thats how they would make braig: xigbar with no eyepatch or scars

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Yeah. I was hoping to see Braig with both of his eyes. Maybe they will tell us how he got his scars.

We should have Xigbar's "Goldfish" quote in this pages' "Birth by sleep" section. it's funny and the only thing relevent we have at the moment.

Could you elaborate on that? Maybe I missed something, but I have no clue what that means. LapisScarab 03:44, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

"Of all the faces I could see, it had to be you...Why do you always have to stare at me like I just drowned your Goldfish?"

I assume this is from 358/2 Days? It seems too vague to be in the article, and even then it isn't terribly relevant. All it does is reinforce that Braig has met Ven, which we already knew. LapisScarab 04:43, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I heard somewhere that Braigs pic is in the next v jump magazine.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - Don't worry. You might forget about me...But, with our promise, I'll come back. Hooray!

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yay we finally have a picture of Braig, and double yay for the lack of eyepatch and scars. Now all we need is Ienzo and we have all six Apprentices

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? FALSE! Sorry, I always wanted to say that. But hey! We've got Braig, and...stuff.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? UPDATE! New full body render from the new scan! And it turns out Braig DOES have yellow eyes!

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - Don't worry. You might forget about me...But, with our promise, I'll come back. Yeah! I saw it about 10 minutes ago! I already asked Sir GS to make a clean, good cut out of him. Lord Xiggie haven't been on lately, so I don't think he could do it.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? I made a quick crop just a few minutes ago. That should suffice until then. But I'm so fricken excited! :D Which reminds me, I'll crop and rotate that section with TAV. Do you think we can put that somewhere?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Yes, I think so.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Consider it done. File:Bbs char TAV.jpg Where to, sir?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Anywhere you see fit.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Added to the Worlds and Characters section of the BbS article.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Okay, but I'm not sure KrytenKoro will approve.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? *gulp* Where else, then?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Maybe this was a bad idea...Hmm, I don't know.

Boss page?

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? Should we make a Boss page for Braig, considering he's confirmed?

HarpieSiren - Here's one for all of us TALK - It will keep us connected I say we wait till after the game's out, so we actually have information for the page other than "He's confirmed to be a boss"

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? We do know he uses a Warp Snipe mode.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? That still doesn't make much of a page. Everything we know about his battle can be summed up in two sentences, so it would be best to wait until the game actually comes out.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah, i noticed the Sniper thing he was doing and could not help but say to myself "Hmmmm, where have I seen this before."

Lying Memories - What's your problem!? You both...think you can do whatever you want. Well, I'm sick of it. Go on, you just keep running! But I'll always be there to bring you back! TALK - So you really do remember me this time... I'm SO FLATTERED! But you're TOO LATE!!! — Lying Memories 08:26, February 11, 2010 (UTC) Since there's a video of Braig vs. Terra/Aqua on youtube, can't somebody just watch that, make the boss page, and use what they see Braig doing as info for the page? It's not like we have to wait until its in English and we can hear all his badass phrases. "Clever little sneak!" I hope to god he says that again lol

Image

They've posted up a high-quality render of him on the official site Kaihedgie 04:32, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Morghman - Now! Let's savor the utmost of suffering together! TALK - As the other dies, their agony radiates through my body, and living through it is pure ecstasy! I just have to point out, that Braig looks freakin' awesome! I expected him to be old and weird, but he's a freakin' ninja! Bravo Square.

Weapon

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 13:28, December 28, 2009 (UTC) Under fighting style, I wanted to create a section for his Arrowguns. I'm just not sure how I'd write it... whenever I start, I view it as not good enough.

Trivia

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? The trivia section says that Braig is the only character series to receive premenant and visible body damage. That is not true, even within the Organization, Saix has his scar. I can't edit it because of the spoiler lock though.

The thing is, we see Braig without, and then with, his damage. All as a human. Saix is a human, then later seen as a Nobody, with the X-scar. It's entirely possible that it was one of the slight changes to accompany becoming a Nobody. Without proof, or knowing how it happened canonically, Braig is still the only one on that list. 203.105.95.93 10:49, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? I think you misunderstood me. I am not lobbying for Saix to be added to the list, I am saying that it is vague, unimportant, and incorrect trivia. A scar by definition is the result of a wound that does not fully heal, so Saix, whether it was as Isa or as a Nobody, must have been injured to gain his scar, just like Braig was injured and gained his own.

And that's assuming things to be true when you don't have the basis to prove it on. Nobodies are not like Humans. For all we can tell, they don't possess organs, they don't bleed, hell, beyond a lot of disturbing Rule34 pictures, they might not even be anatomically correct. They aren't reanimated humans who lost their Hearts. They are comprised of, as far as can be seen, the power of Nothingness, and an element (in the Organization member's cases). I doubt Axel went out and got facial tattoos, yet he still has those tear-drop markings on his face. In all likeliness, they just happened. Becoming a Nobody has been confirmed to make changes to a Nobody, differentiating them from their Somebody. Braig was shown, as one entity, before and after. That is relevant and unique to him among all the other characters. Ergo, it seems both important AND correct to me.203.105.95.93 10:46, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Xaity - You should share your power TALK - Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing! Nothing but a mere illusion! That's not true, Cloud have a bionic arm in the first Kingdom Hearts

It's not bionic. It's just a gauntlet. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? @Xaity: That wasn't a bionic arm, it was just clawed armor. @anon: A Nobody is the body left over when a heart becomes a Heartless and leaves. You have no way of proving that they do not have human organs, or that they don't bleed, becaue no one in the series bleeds. In fact, while it is not definitive, I have more proof than you do that Nobodies are not made of nothingness, because it has been stated in the games that a Nobody if the physical body of a person who succumbed to the darkness. A scar is very different from a facial marking; bodily wounds don't just pop up out of nowhere because someone becomes a Nobody. Again, the trivia in question is not important to the article, and is incorrect by Saix's example.

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Gnut2.0 - It is the fate of a Nobody...And a Heartless...Anyone who gets in the way really... TALK - An entity shrouded in mystery...And idioms I just want to say, as I have had many conversations with a lot of my friends on the topic, that you also forgot to mention the Will factor. A Nobody is made up of a person of two catagroies. Catagorie one is where said person has a Strong Heart and a Strong will, peresumibly to live. Catagroie two is just an extention of one where said person can also willingly become one with Darkness, as in the Apprinteses case. Thats from reading the Jounals and reviewing what all the members say. A just a bit, though I hate to use this sorse, from the Manga.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? I didn't really forget the Will part, it's just that the Body part is what the anon doesn't seem to understand.

From all I've seen, Nobodies are formed by when a person with a strong heart and/or will submits to, or accepts the Darkness. They lose their Heart to said Darkness, the body is cast into Nothingness, and even as Yen Sid tells us (and I quote), they are " an empty vessel whose Heart has been stolen away...a spirit that goes on even as its body fades from existence". There are some keywords in this: "empty vessels", "spirit" "as its body fades". All of this leads to the fact that they do not maintain their original body. I trust Yen Sid over any fan and what they "know".

The Dusks, Creepers, Berserkers, etc... the only differnce they have on their Organization masters, is that the Org. members' strong will allowed them to keep their forms. The "empty vessels" bit kind of tips us off that they aren't just bodies, comprised of the same goo and guts normal humans are. Every Organization member defeated fades away. They don't die, convulse, show pain. They don't have normal bodies with which to die in. To say Axel's tattoos are any different than Saix's scar at this juncture is a leap in any direction. You're imagining Axel's markings "just appeared", but Saix had to earn his X? Until it's confirmed IF and HOW Saix got it, Braig maintains the only cast member to recieve and keep his injuries.Edenfire 23:01, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Saix had to "earn" his scar because it is a scar. A scar does not just show up. And I repeat, this is not a conversation on what Nobodies are made of or one on whether Saix counts toward the list. The trivia is meaningless to the article. Saix/Isa has received permenant and visible body damage, we just don't know how he got it, so the trivia is incorrect as well.

And again, assuming things to have happened with no proof doesn't make it fact. A scar doesn't just show up. But hell, neither do TATTOOS, for crying out loud. Then again, getting my heart ripped out by a living shadow doesn't make my lifeless body jump up and start trying to long for power, either. It's a video game with a very lax sense of reality-based facts. The trivia is in no way "incorrect". Meaningless, maybe, but the fact that we KNOW how Braig recieved this permanent change to his body makes him unique, and it's an interesting fact. Hell, MOST trivia on this site is meaningless. That's the point of trivia. It's near-useless information, that doesn't fit anywhere else in the article. You might not like it. Doesn't mean it should be removed, and it sure doesn't make it any less true. Until we know how and/or when Saix got his X, Braig is unique.Edenfire 06:37, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Ugh, forget it. I have better things to do then argue this. You win, keep the trivia, as if the trivia sections weren't crowded enough.

Not sure if I'm doing this talky thing here right ... but anyways. LipisScarab is right. Braig isn't the only one to receive a permanent scar. Blah, blah, blah (I'm noty talking about Saïx).

• SPOILER* Master Eraqus received a few scars from Master Xehanort. Look at his face. *SPOILER*

There, all cleared up. User:Birth By Blu 06:04, January 12, 2010 (PST)

Then I concede and concur. Braig AND Eraqus share this quality. Saix does not.Edenfire 10:59, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not going to touch the trivia, but I feel as though I must clarify once again that I was not advocating for Saix to be added to the list, I didn't think the list itself was necessary. But I digress, we'll leave it there.--Lapis ofthe Night 21:55, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

How?

How exactly did Braig get to the Keyblade Graveyard and how did he leave?--Random!to a point! 20:36, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

By that point in time Braig seems to have gained some powers of darkness, as his remaining eye has turned yellow (and the scene involves a zoom in onto the eye, so I guess it's important for that reason). If that's the case, he may have used a Corridor of Darkness. - Samoth 21:51, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ah. I see. That would seem likely.--Random!to a point! 21:58, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Fighting Style

Watching a vid of Braig, he's using literally the exact same moves as Xigbar - he's teleporting, walking upside-down, charging for a larger shot, and has the telescopic sight. The only attack he has Xigbar doesn't is where he circle-strafes, leaving multiple images and firing at you. I thought the powers of Org XIII were Nobody attributes, but here Braig has power over space and is human, so maybe not. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:16, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Venkix - Having no heart, no emotions. It's Better this way. TALK - Open your heart. - yeah the strafe is pretty cool. He also uses Darkness a lot more in his bullets. They seem to be a different color than xigbar's bullets. Here's the video. (lol @ Terra blwoing out Briag's eye) Terra vs Braig part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIsyJmIACwE Terra vs Braig part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zH5yDzNHK8 Aqua vs Braig (He uses his limit break seen in KH2 in this one) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O28p6phnig

Censorship

I hope they don't censor that scene where Braig loses his eye and got's that big scar... and does someone know are they going to use the censored telescophic sight as they did in KH II or the one in jpn versions???...P456 20:55, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Clarification

The Yoshiman 97 - "Mario! Is that really you?" TALK - 23:24, June 1, 2010 (UTC) What goes first, gallery, or trivia? On this page and Master Xehanort's, it's trivia over gallery, but on Terra, Aqua, and Ven's, it's gallery over trivia. Which one is it?

As far as I remember, it was trivia then gallery. Also, the TAV articles aren't the only articles where the gallery is over trivia (see Sora). However, on the Mickey Mouse article it is trivia then gallery. Xion4ever Who am I? — 23:29, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "Punch your lights out, hit the pavement. That's what I call entertainment. Causin' problems makes you famous - all the violence makes a statement." TALK - I personally prefer Gallery before Trivia, since the gallery is actually part of the article, while the trivia is just tidbits to be eliminated as much as possible.

This Whole Apprentice Business...

NeutraVega Talk to me, you triple zero!. — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'." *Cue echo SFX* I'm more or less against using the "apprentice" title, associating with Braig, Dilan, or Aeleus, simply cause...well, they weren't Ansem's apprentices. Birth by Sleep very thoroughly set their positions in Radiant Garden as nothing more than castle guards. The game made that clear, and so did the in-game reports. So, once again, we've got a plotkai on our hands thanks to Nomura's incompetence. I think this be needin' a fixin, but I want opinions first.

Cyrus Arc Roxas, that's a stick. — 15:29, June 24, 2010 (UTC) Why are we blaming Nomura? Why? why exactly can't Braig, Dilan, and Aeleus be apprentices that, due to them being physically strong, quick, etc. be assigned to guard the castle? They can't be scientists, they are not as smart as Even, Ienzo, or Xehanort. But Even, Ienzo, and Xehanort cannot be palace guards, apparently Ansem wanted them as scientists because they were smarter. It makes perfect sense to me that half are guards and half are scientists.

Being an apprentice isn't the same as being a scientist. Xehanort, Even and Ienzo were scientists and Braig, Dilan and Aeleus were guardians, but they all were apprentices of Ansem the Wise - JTD95 16:13, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Cyrus Arc Roxas, that's a stick. — 15:29, June 24, 2010 (UTC) That's my point exactly. thank you JTD.

KrytenKoro - "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." TALK - Do you guys know what an apprentice is? It's someone training to replace the master in his role. Ansem was not a castle guard. He was a scientist. Vexen, Xehanort, and Zexion were his apprentices, not Dilan, Briag, and Aeleus.

Cyrus Arc Roxas, that's a stick. — 15:29, June 24, 2010 (UTC) Uh, then why did Ansem the Wise call ALL SIX his apprentices? Maybe because, oh i dunno, they were?

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA perhaps science and study is not the only thing ansem was teaching. what else it might have bee, heck if i know, but who knows, stranger crap has happened

KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living." TALK - ...did you guys read the starting comment for this topic? Also, ST, outright speculation is not helpful. BBS does not show them being apprentices, at all. It shows them as being gate guards.

Cyrus Arc Roxas, that's a stick. — 15:29, June 24, 2010 (UTC) Yes that is true Kryten, but Ansem the Wise Specifically mention them in his secret reports as his "apprentices".

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Maybe Ansem was took the apprentices to rule Radiant Garden after his dead or after he retire, 3 for protect and 3 to take care of his the other things that he used to do

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Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? Considering that we don't know all the details regarding what happened in between BBS and where the Secret Ansem Reports start, the three guards very well could have become apprentices in between this period.

maggosh Strike backwards... — "That's a nice expression." You're terrified, aren't you? That is very much true. We know nothing about what happened in that year after BbS, so saying they're not apprentices is just as much speculation.

Lying Memories - I'd rather we just skip the formalities. TALK - The Darkness in men's hearts, drawn to these cursed medallions; and this Heartless, a veritable maelstrom of avarice: I wonder, are they worthy to serve Organization XIII? - Lying Memories 09:55, August 5, 2010 (UTC) This could very well be considered speculative, but how do we know that Dilan, Aeleus, and Braig weren't both scientists AND guards? We know that they were the strongest and the guards, but I have seen no scene where we see them as not being intelligent. It may not have been shown in the game in any scenes where they're helping with the experiments, but it does make sense. People can have two roles. It's called multitasking.

Lasting Facial Damage

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 15:06, June 24, 2010 (UTC) You know how the trivia says that Braig, Saix, and Eraqus are the only people to recieve lasting facial damage? What about Leon and Seifer, should we include them in that trivia?

...within Kingdom Hearts. --If I had a hairbrush, that would be amazing! Pregnancy? 16:22, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

could tha picture be any bigger???--Chaosxterra09 23:18, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Spoiler

Highlight to view: <spoiler>Okay, I know I'm not the only one here, so was anyone else confused when after Terra's fight with him in Radiant Garden, Master Xehanort told Braig that Terra didn't actually steal Aurora's heart back in ED? Cause the player saw it happen, Ven had to free it, and Maleficent was bragging to Aqua all about it. Someone please explain.</spoiler> ~person who doesn't have an account here but feels like editing anyway :p

EDIT: Sorry, spoiler tags aren't working for me. Anyone who know how to fix'em please do so.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA while they really didn't comfirm either way, but based on the coversation between braig and mx after braigs battle is that it while it looked like terra stole the heart, MX actually did it from the shadows, making it look like terra did it to make him feel guilty