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BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...Allons-y! Welcome to my talk page! Leave me a message here if you have wiki concerns, want to alert me to new Wikia features made to confuse the elderly, or bribe me with cookies. If you need me to help you out with something, like vandalism, spam, or other issues, make sure you provide links to the article/picture/person in question so I don't have to track all over the wiki for it. Much obliged.

   

Original Character?

The original character page is not letting me edit the list of characters so I can't add the Ice Colossus. Could you do it? Or can you call the Ice Colossus an original character? TNE is for it but she needs confirmation from other users. What do you think? Organization13 12:59, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't the Ice Colossus based on one of the monsters from Hercules, much in the vein of the Ice Titan? BebopKate 21:47, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Re: coded

Since you locked it, I feel I should tell you that I was going to take the spoiler tags off and add this:

We'll go together.
	This article is being merged. It has been suggested that this page or section be merged into Kingdom Hearts coded. Please discuss this issue further on the talk page.

Thanks: KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

Ah, okay; I'll add that template for you. BebopKate 17:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! The_Inexistent

Problem

The Inexistent - Pitiful users, mindlessly collecting information. The rage of an edit releases this knowledge, and they all come together, to form: The Wiki!!! TALK - And on the Wiki these words appear: "My name is The_Inexistent, user of users: Look upon my edits, ye Mighty, and despair!" We have a problem [1]. If you don't get a special redirect from our affiliate, then tell me and I'll make a prtscrn.

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...20:24, June 11, 2010 (UTC) Looks like their forums are remaining active and KH oriented for the time being; I think it's fine. We'll keep an eye out, and if their focus changes dramatically, we'll see what happens about remaining affiliates.

Hey there

Hey there, Kate. Could you join the IRC sometime? I should be on the IRC all/most of the day...Thanks. Xion4ever Who am I? — 19:00, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Vandal

I had just given him a warning, because he hadn't done anything truly malicious yet (honestly, it could almost be attributed to a cat on his keyboard at that point).Glorious CHAOS! 15:25, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see now. I'm sorry. To me, it's one thing when someone is trying to edit, but isn't doing it right, but quite another when someone pretty much is just putting in crap because they can. This guy was pretty obviously the latter; I'd rather just send the message we won't tolerate it at all with a short banning. Call it ex-teacher instinct. ^_^ I frankly wouldn't blame you or any other admins for doing the same, though. BebopKate 20:33, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Kate!

Sorry, but I stalked your talk page! Well, I saw how you thought you can't delete accounts. Regular administrators can't, but Wikia Staff can. If you ask them, they can delete everything to do with the account (but the edits (I think)). Still, How is everything going? -^{The Only One} _{Thank God, any more would be a disaster!}

Yeah :D. Yeah, It's hot where I live too. This is really above-average temperature for this time of year. Hey, the adminship is going great thanks! We have to block a lot of people, though... I didn't expect that. Thanks for asking :D. Are you having fun with all of your wiki things? Oh, I love the new wiki theme! You guys did great! -^{The Only One} _{Thank God, any more would be a disaster!}

Lol. It does look good very soothing, though. I thought it was another wiki when I first saw it :D. -^{The Only One} _{Thank God, any more would be a disaster!}

Clarify?

First of all, thanks for bringing up the IRC concerns, the hints at swears and subjects that are not too "PG" have been starting to become more common. A couple of channel operators, including myself, are still unclear on some of the troubling events you mentioned having transpired. If you wouldn't mind, would you be able to drop by the IRC to clear this up for us? Thanks, and a happy summer to you! ^_^ --^DTN 22:11, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, DTN; profuse apologies...I haven't been ignoring your message. I was planning on coming on IRC last night when my keyboard decided to commit suicide on me as I was getting ready to log in. As I couldn't enter my name, and sign language doesn't really work there, I had to wait until I could pick up a new keyboard after work today. I'm getting ready to head over to my parents' house, but I will try and be on IRC tomorrow or Wednesday night for a bit to talk about what happened. BebopKate 19:56, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Request

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 02:04, June 21, 2010 (UTC) So we've switched to the BBS theme. I believe we were talking about letting me change the templates again once this occurred, as we're no longer so closely bound to our Organization XIII theme? Not sure if you could negotiate the use of the fan-made BBS talk images, but the Days ones could work, too. Anyways, please respond with the answer to my request! Maybe we should talk about changing the look of the Staff page, too, as we're not as Org. XIII tight anymore?

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...20:04, June 21, 2010 (UTC) Ah, yes, I remember. I know there was a discussion ages ago about keeping most of the main ones consistent (just for clarity), but altering more casual things like the welcome template. I can't remember if that was a part of the BBS revamp discussion, though... I think we should still keep any art we use official, though; it only takes one piece of fan art for people start pointing out "But YOU guys do it!" and things becoming annoying from there. I'll seem to recall there were a couple of pretty nice pieces already avaliable for the welcome template that would look great with the BBS theme. As for the staff page, perhaps a discussion there would be more appropriate. I think it would be nice to have a change; I'm just not sure what we could change it to this time around. Keyblade masters?

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 20:07, June 21, 2010 (UTC) Regarding the staff page, sure. As for templates: DTN and I teamed up to change the welcome template. But I was wondering if I could change some of the maintenance templates, as long as we used official images. We had talked about that ages after that forum discussion, and you were leaning towards a yes. EDIT: Also, please meet me on the IRC tonight at about 10:00/ll:00. I'd love to speak with you again. If you see GuardianSoul around, please tell him the same thing, EST being my time zone, of course. Thanks for everything, past, present, and future ^^

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...20:24, June 21, 2010 (UTC) Just out of curiosity, would be keeping the colors the same, and perhaps changing just the pictures and quotes? I think the warning templates, for example, need to maintain a similar appearance from incarnation to incarnation so it's immediately identifiable as such to both staff and regular editors. I'm probably not going to make it on IRC tonight as I'm going to visit my parents tonight. If I happen to make it on, that would be nice, but I'm probably not going to be back until fairly late. However, I am going to try to be on tomorrow night, and if not then, then definitely Wednesday.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 02:00, June 22, 2010 (UTC) Yeah, changing characters and quotes is all I wanted to do. Maybe change colors to match the character, but not necessarily.

Follow-Up

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 14:37, June 23, 2010 (UTC) So I wasted my morning away composing rough drafts of several templates. Since you won't let me use the BBS talk bubbles, as they're fan-made, I was limited to the Days characters. Made the task insanely hard. But I still want to do it, so don't get the wrong idea by my saying that. However, LevL and I were talking. We're doing this change for a BBS theme. Doesn't that make not using BBS images a bit stupid? Obviously full renders won't work out, so what other choice do we have? While I'm happy changing the characters/quotes/colors, changing the Days templates to Days templates when we have a BBS theme is sort of backwards logic. Plus our Days sprites are no less fan images than the BBS ones, as Xiggie chopped off the part that shows who's talking in all of the ones we used in the template. If you want to get technical, the BBS images still use official renders as a basis, and the fact that part of the image was missing all this time made the Days sprites fan-images. I still understand where you're coming from, but try to see what I mean by this. I leave for Florida very early tomorrow morning, thus having to go to bed early tonight. If you could save all changes to templates until after I get home when we could talk about this, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! EDIT: Also, let me point out one last thing. There are some images that are obviously fanart. Some we can deal with. Those that are obviousl fanart we wouldn't use. For example: VanitasUnmaskedTalk.png We wouldn't use this, as it's obviously fan-made, a recolored Sora merged with Vanitas's body MasterAqua.png True it's technically a fan image due to the background and the fact that a screenshot was edited to make it, but it's technically more official than the othr one, and this would be what we'd use for the templates. You can see how these images would work out in a template here. Again, thank you so much. I know this isn't easy, but so many of us, myself included, unfortunately, want the "sub-official" talk bubble sprites used.

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...20:15, June 26, 2010 (UTC) Oh, is that what you meant by fan images, those edited icons? No, that's fine then. I thought you meant something cropped from someone's fan art or something. I'm so sorry, ENX. -_-; ETA: Those templates in your sandbox do look quite awesome. I think a couple of them need cleaner/better resolution images, but they're fine..

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 03:54, July 13, 2010 (UTC) Wow, Bebop... this message is coming almost two weeks later. I'm sorry for the confusion, but I'm glad we can do this. I'll put versions in my sandbox of the templates for you to see. Thank you, and come on the IRC some time!

Follow-Up of the Follow-Up

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 03:23, July 27, 2010 (UTC) Title :P Anyways, I've been creating the templates for our BBS theme, and you saw Terra, Aqua, and Ventus. They only have some meager English quotes, so I'd like to put off the transition of this theme in the templates to October (I'll have beaten and probably memorized the script to BBS by then) :P That way, we get better and a wider array of quotes. Right now, what we have from the E3, Gamestop, and Gameplay trailers are not enough. Petty battle quotes will have to do, at least for the examples.

He's baaack

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? The Groudon-Fire vandal is back. He starts all of his nonsense with the headding "Legendary Warriors VS Myotismon", by the way.

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...01:06, June 23, 2010 (UTC) Thanks for the warning; I've got him on my watch list. If he continues to troll, he's outta here.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? This isn't quite the same thing, but I didn't want to spam your page with a bunch of little headdings. I believethis unregistered contributor is a sockpuppet for this unregistered contributor. They are both harassing a user named Bananaphone1996, and the first one I linked you to gave me some ludicrous story about how the other one paid him to bully Bananaphone. I gave both of them warnings for misconduct already, and I suspcted a sockpuppet a while ago, but that excuse (which you can see on my talk page under the headding "What") cemented it for me.

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...20:12, June 26, 2010 (UTC) Warning issued to one, block issued to the other. I mean, come on, if you're going to admit the main reason you're here is to bother someone else, there's no way you're going to contribute in a positive fashion...

Another Incident on the IRC (click edit to see it)

LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside! TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!" <Crono

To sum up the big speech of DemonicKunai, there was a possible sockpuppet on the IRC with the I.P. address 108.25.55.70, and he abused the bot and created multiple log ins. The person said that was his nephew and his brother. I'm not sure what to say about that though. Also, there was major chaos with no OPs on the channel at the time though. [Ѧüя◎ґ]

i think we need more ops who are on a lot.--ZACH 22:30, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Me too. --サイクス、 月の悪魔のダンス 22:38, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, guys. I'm headed over there as we speak to see what's going on tonight. BebopKate 01:08, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the sudden d/c

There's an error on the page and I can't put in anymore text. And I also have to get going ; I need to take my grandma for her checkup. We'll speak soon, d'accord ? ^_^ Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 03:59, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...04:04, June 23, 2010 (UTC) But of course. ^_^ I hope your grandmother's check up goes well.

Kingdom Hearts Coliseum

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 16:16, July 4, 2010 (UTC) Hi Bebop! I have a request to make. Do you know the Dragon Neck Colosseum of the FFwiki? I was wondering... It would be nice for us to have one. I would like to make one and handle the stuff. ZACH is also willing to help. A few user on the IRC agreed with the idea. I'll not be here for the next three days. I'll gladly wait for your answer when I come back from my trip. I'm already working on a prototype version of it. EDIT:KKD came up with and idea. Each 4 months we pick the winner of each week and make a tounament. Daily battles to pick the favorite among the favorites. EDIT: Look User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Laboratory

To elaborate on what R&D said and save you the wild goose chase of looking at millions of pages pertaining to this, It's all been assembled into a forum, and many users have shown interest. If you wish to take a look, please direct your attention here. Thank you! KKD

Someone Posting Tottally non Pg Links IRC

LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside! TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!" It was encyclopedia dramtica (it won't let me post the link and it was someone named cherries) <HikariKH> And comenting on them <NumberXVMoogle> Kingdom Hearts - Encyclopedia Dramatica <cherries> This is win. <HikariKH> Lemme see <Pea14733> Oh. <LotsoBearLover> Saph that's not PG <Hexedmagica> WHO CARES <Hexedmagica> Bloody kids and how they're obsessed with rules <HikariKH> O.o <cherries> Seems to be an abundance of said kids here. <Pea14733> .... <HikariKH> ... <Hexedmagica> I hate children <cherries> Really, this stuff is excellent. <LotsoBearLover> Stop with the posting of non Pg links! <Hexedmagica> STOP WITH YER BUTTHURT <LotsoBearLover> >> <Hexedmagica> Seriously. There's nobody very young here

Hexed abused the PG rule again ! And worse, Saph got it all wrong when she said we can't post warnings ! By right, anyone should be able to, if a person's conduct is going well beyond the lines of PG. Lego tried to warn Hexed but he went on the same attitude. Full dialogue can be found here. But I've learned that deep down, there's a light that never goes out! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 00:15, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

IRC

Please see this.Glorious CHAOS! 01:42, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

Kate. I'm here just to warn that the user: KingdomHeartzGirll already vandalised Axel page twice today. I send two message asking her to stop. If she continues I'll post the warning templates. This is just to warn you abbout the sintuation.User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig21:00, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

The KingdomKey.net is officially dead to the wiki

I believe that covers it. See for yourself. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

Thanks

Hi, I just wanted to personally thank you for the wonderful donation you made toward the bot. It's thanks to you guys that I'm able continue. (Also, sorry I missed you on the IRC, else I would have told you there first)

Again, thanks for the help.Adola 12:06, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

The Eleventh Hour... of issues!

Issue #1001 of the IRC has just transpired, and I would like to discuss this with you privately, immediately. Also, the plans for world domination need to be touched upon, I'm thinking it might be better to start in Russia. --^DTN 02:06, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Request

Good day, BK. I would like to request for your kind attention. Could you email me using the Email User function on my userpage? Thank you very much in advance :) ^BLUER一番 02:12, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Talk Images

Okay, two quick things, Miss Kate:

• I'm so proud of myself, I am actually getting into Doctor Who. Bwahahahaha.
• I have been doing mass image deletions lately of those images that go against the image policy, particularly the rule that if unofficial media is not in a user's talk template, it should be deleted. I noticed that many of the holiday images you created several months ago will need to be deleted, including the sprite on your user page, along with the other images on your user page. If possible, do you think you could host these images through Photobucket or Imageshack, so that I may delete these images? Thanks, allons-y! --^DTN 22:36, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Just because isn't a bubble now does not mean it will not be again. ^_^ Seriously, I will probably be re-using my Christmas image, so if I delete it, I will have to re-upload it come the winter. If for some reason I do not, I will take out the old one. If this gets to be an issue, I'll just do that multi-template-in-one all the cool kids are doing, which will technically keep it qualified. BebopKate 23:44, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

ETA: Gotten any farther in Who yet? If you like the Ninth Doctor, wait until the Tenth, the bearer of "Allons-y" (and my current sig quote).

I've always been aware of "Allons-y", but I haven't gotten that far yet. I was in the middle of "Rose", and then my laptop decided to kill the Internet right when the Doctor starting making stuff go boom. T'was too much awesome for my laptop, it just couldn't take it anymore. --^DTN 06:02, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

IRC, Por Favor

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 22:05, July 25, 2010 (UTC) I have many important issues to discuss with you.

Friends, our power!

Bluer says at 13:50, July 30, 2010 (UTC) Felicitations! You, BebopKate, are now given the responsibility of a Bureaucrat, kupo. Let me be the first to welcome you on this harrowing journey, kupo, and we hope that you will persevere as we tread the dark waters that is Wikia. Congratulations on your bureaucracy, and good luck to us all - we really need it,

Félicitations, BK ! ^_^ You two will make a great team. I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 13:56, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "Hmph. You're obnoxious." "I know I won't forget you. Believe me, I try all the time." — 13:58, July 30, 2010 (UTC) Congratulations, I know you'll do a great job. :)

LapisScarab - Very good. You don't miss a thing. I cannot feel sorrow... No matter what misery befalls the worlds. No matter what you think, what you feel, or how you exist. TALK - Come closer... Congratulations BebopKate, you deserve it!

Wolf - ... TALK - ... nice job BK hope you can come to the irc to chat sometime.

Congratulations, BurgerKing BebopKate :P. You trully deserver this position of trust. Demonic Saint Yeah! You gotta be funny, like us! — 15:22, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

LevL Fear my mighty instruments! — 15:43, July 30, 2010 (UTC) Congratulations, BebopKate!

Dan - Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase! ♫ — 16:07, July 30, 2010 (UTC) Congratulations, BebopKate! You'll make a wonderful Bureaucrat!

Eternal Nothingness XIII - The three of us can never be torn apart, all right? I'll always find a way. TALK - When I really need you, Ven, I know you'll be there. — 16:09, July 30, 2010 (UTC) KateBebop! Congratulations! No one is more deserving of this honor than you! Now you just need to use that power to get me admin rights (jk, but still) :P

Organization 13 - Looks like my summer vacation... TALK - ...Is over. Congratulations!!!!! :D

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 22:14, July 30, 2010 (UTC) Through many of the community's rough times on the wiki, you have been a tremedous help to us morally and civilly, as well as a marvelous intellect on Sailor Moon during IRC discussion. Thank you so much for giving encouragement almost as strong as this: <youtube> d6wRkzCW5qI </youtube> Congrats, Sailor-Bureaucrat BebopKate! ... Right flank, hut! To the rear... hut! Aww man, gotta love marching band.

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...17:13, July 31, 2010 (UTC) *blushes* Aww, thank you guys. I'll do my best to keep doing the apparently decent job I'm doing. As always, if you need my help...you know where to find me. And good grief, that's a lot to live up to in that video. O.o (Hilarously, I can identify about 2/3rd of those clips. Hooray for the cinemaphile!)

Re:Forum:Wiki Thoughts - Please Read

A few days ago, I sent TNE an essay I wrote on issues with the wiki, and I understand that she forwarded it to you. TNE was thinking of creating a forum akin to the one you just did, and that essay was going to be an integral part of what we were trying to do. I'm not too sure if I should post it there or not, and since it's your forum (and you've already read it), I'm asking for your approval or disapproval. KKD

If you feel you need to post it, then that would be fine with me. Actually, it was your essay and some conversations from TroisNyx that kind of inspired me to go forward my forum rant in the first place. Just be careful about any direct accusations in that particular thread; we're going to have to work those out somewhere more appropriate. BebopKate 02:27, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Profile

Nice User page!

By the way, do you live in Raleigh?

(TorranceMouse 22:22, August 1, 2010 (UTC))

Thanks. Actually, I live in the Triad, about 90 miles west; I don't like to get more specific for personal security purposes. My sister lives in the Triangle, though and I have tons of friends there, so I'm back and forth quite a bit. ^_^ BebopKate 02:29, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

IRC

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 23:55, August 1, 2010 (UTC) Please come ASAP.

Hey there

This is really late. ^^; Congrats for B-crat powers, Kate! ^_^ Awesome job, you deserve it! Thank you for everything you've done for the Wiki/IRC! Xion4ever All the world's a joke! — 17:55, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...23:22, August 4, 2010 (UTC) You're quite welcome on all counts, Xion. I just hope I can live up to everyone's expectations...

KHMedia

Hey, I'm a staff member of a site called Kingdom Hearts Media, and I was wondering if we could affiliate with the KH Wikia. Here's the link:

www.kingdomheartsmedia.com

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...23:21, August 4, 2010 (UTC) Hi there! Sure, your site looks quite neat! I'll let TroisNyx know so she can make you guys a card on the affiliates page. (Oh, and make sure you use ~~~~ to sign your posts 'round here. ^_^)

DaDarkDude edit

Heh, sorry about that. This is my first time typing up on a wiki, it's much tougher than I thought it would be. 

Anyways, sounds great! Is there any banner you have we can put? Or should we just put the site link in text? ^_^

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...06:14, August 8, 2010 (UTC) Text links are just fine. Maybe a banner for affiliates is a project we can add. Hmmm...

TNE

Could you or Blue please promote TNE and Neumannz to admin, as per the forum?Glorious CHAOS! 15:49, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Uh, Bluer posted that staff nominations and elections pretty much fall in the realm of bureaucrats now. Twice, actually, in the Staff Reorganization topic. Not because we want to take away any "powers", but because for the last six months, everyone's been spending way too much time discussing staff instead of editing the wiki or working on other stuff. Since you are leaving, we probably will promote someone to replace you, but that's a conversation he and I really need to have first. BebopKate 02:08, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - And when you see me standing there, you'll know you've got a friend with a rock, I mean a big-ass rock. TALK - Oh! Sorry, I must have misunderstood his message. May I ask why, though? When I first asked Bluerfn about electing new staff, he said that it "needed to be more transparent, and I needed to show that it was the community wanted", so you can probably see how this new decision is confusing.

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...23:01, August 10, 2010 (UTC) I think Bluer and I got very concerned with how much time was being dedicated to staff elections. We had a huge conversation about it just now, and we had another massive one not two months ago. He and I think, much as we value the input and opinions of everyone, that much too much time has been spent on it. It's also part of the wiki being a wiki, I think. Some editors think there needs to be staff present all the time. The fact is we can't. We're not a massive wiki like FF Wiki. We have lives; you know this quite well. ^_^ Adding more editors just to "cover the bases" really isn't going to help anything. I think we just need to tighten our the skills of the current roster. Also, some people are going to have to learn to be patient and help us control the situation until we can get here. ^_- One other small concern is not in this case, but for the future. There is a chance someone would try push an election through just so they can have a shot at being a staff member. We're not trying to remain all-powerful, but we do want people to understand that being a staffer is nothing to be taken lightly, and is a position of responsibility, not superiority. It's certainly nothing you did, Kryten, if that's your concern. You've been very fair and reasonable in the situation, you handled the conversations well, and have made some great suggestions. I don't know if promoting me was one of your better ideas, though... ^_^ Seriously, if anyone has any issues with this decision, you may kindly point them to Bluer or myself.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Well, since you said anyone. It doesn't distract us any more than all the forums do. Even less so now that we've gotten to that actual voting. All users need to do is vote and be done with it. We do need more staff. From what I've seen, the only admin that really edits frequently is DTN. I know, real life, and I'm not belittling the admins that don't edit, and I don't expect them to be on all the time, but we still need active staff that will be on for longer than an hour or two a day. With all due respect, no matter how huge the discussion you and Bluerfn had was, two people shouldn't be the only ones to decide this.

-EDIT CONFLICT-

KrytenKoro - "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." TALK - In all honesty, when you look at the active staff, it's pretty bare bones. And without sounding full of myself, DTN and me did most of the "staff-only-can-do" work, and we're both much less active now. I think that, especially with BBS coming up, we need reliable staff that can monitor the recent additions, delete fake articles, move newly uploaded images, and in general battle "WikiKrakens". I understand that you and Blue are concerned about people spending time on the elections, but there's also the fact that right right now, there isn't much else to do - there is general cleanup, as there is at all times, but when BBS is released in English, we will be very hard up, and it will be difficult for the current staff to stay on top of the tide. I honestly think that this is the ideal time to get this out of the way, and prepare for "the storm ahead". I hope this makes sense, Jeeves

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...00:01, August 11, 2010 (UTC) Indeed, I did say anyone. ^_^ I would like to point out that we are using the discussion topics to help us decide. We want someone who will work well with the wiki, too. I'm very curious now, Lapis. You say we don't edit. By editing, do you mean mainspace edits, or anything in particular? I just want to clarify this.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? I'm not saying you all flat-out don't edit, that would be a lie. I'm saying editing frequently, which I suppose would ammount to what I can see on the recent changes. You could very well be doing things that don't show up there (deleting images, blocking vandals, or whathaveyou), and if that's the case then I apologize. I haven't seen Ultima, HOO, or Guardian Soul on anything short of forums where they are requested. You and, to a lesser extent recently, Bluerfn are still a fair bit less active than say, DTN or KrytenKoro (though the latter will be inactive soon). Again, I totally understand why that is. Real life, work, whatever, and I don't have any problem with that, but the fact is that we're really going to need admins that have more free time very soon.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 02:19, August 11, 2010 (UTC) Did someone say "DTN"? I do apologize for my recent inactivity. I have been incredibly busy this summer with marching band, camps a lovely vacation, and regular IRC babysitting (which is no longer the case). I've got a life, you guys know that. But honestly, when Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days came out, I don't remember a copious amount of fake articles and vandalism. There were a few here and there, but nothing that someone cannot ping an active admin about to take out. Also remember than certain inactive admins are available very often by IRC, sepcifically Hexedmagica. I think I've seen Ultima there too. My courses begin again soon, and I will not be able to remain my previous "full activity." I can still do what I can, though, should not be a problem to contact me for administrative purposes. An admin is just as much an editor as any other user, the only deciding factor that can relate an admin's activity to a need for more admins is how easily they can be contacted, and how often they can check the wiki. I should still be able to receive my watchlist updates from my phone and be on my laptop every day to keep up with the notifications, so I see no problem there. I don't think we truly need this staff election. A smaller one for Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep I would have agreed with, but not the induction of 2+ new admins and several new moderators. Patience needs to be learned, what is wrong with the amount of current staff activity now? Is the wiki crumbling down? Is there mass vandalism that cannot be stopped by admins? Are fake articles and information pouring in? The answer to all of these questions is a big "no". Even with Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep, I do not think levels of vandalism and new editors will rise enough to require two new admins and several new mods. Heck, even just one new admin to replace the Grand Super Special Awesome King Administrator of Ridiculous Greatness would be enough. Look at the Final Fantasy Wiki. You know how many active admins they have? No more than five or so. We certainly do not need a full set of, eventually, 10+ admins active on a smaller, less active wiki.

IRC

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 17:55, August 10, 2010 (UTC) Please join me on the IRC ASAP.

BebopKate - This one is Zazzles...because he's Zazzy! TALK - Here's your cat...and here's your $20...23:02, August 10, 2010 (UTC) I have some chores/wedding stuff to work on first. I'll try and drop by later tonight.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 23:27, August 10, 2010 (UTC) Oh, okay. It's just important you show up, as it regrettably relates to a previous discussion.

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Realm of Light vs. World of Darkness. Discuss. --Ian ^talk 00:46, August 11, 2010 (UTC)